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Insertanamehere said: For argument's sake, she looked pretty exhausted/weak, so one can make a case for itWormPriest said: Doesn't really justify the wolves chewing on her while she screams out of pain bit. Could have done perfectly fine without that by just letting the wolves jump at her after she falls down or something and Berserker suddenly appears to protect her. Them chewing Illya for a good 20 seconds or so while she screams was just unneedlessly edgy and cringey. You can't really tell me you didn't find the scene where wolves chew on a little girl while she cries to be edgy as hell. More that I was wondering why she wouldn't use her magic against them. |
Tokoya said: Didn't know that violence/Near death experiences = bad Sorreh =/ Wolves chewing on a crying girl for like 20 seconds when it wasn't needed is pretty bad, yeah. |
CloudStrifeFFVII said: 3/5Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ I agree with the majority of CP's points |
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YggdrasilTM said: Siegzilla said: Says the guy who uses "You don't know me" as rebuttal. You're mocked relentlessly on Beast's Lair BTW. Yeah, CookingPriest is mocked by the whole FSN fandom. I think only here in MAL people are still taking him seriously. He's the Mike of MAL. You can rest safely now, Sir DiddlesMick-kohai. Insertanamehere said: WormPriest said: Doesn't really justify the wolves chewing on her while she screams out of pain bit. Could have done perfectly fine without that by just letting the wolves jump at her after she falls down or something and Berserker suddenly appears to protect her. Them chewing Illya for a good 20 seconds or so while she screams was just unneedlessly edgy and cringey. You can't really tell me you didn't find the scene where wolves chew on a little girl while she cries to be edgy as hell. More that I was wondering why she wouldn't use her magic against them. Lol, this. After what we've seen. Wolves(which shouldn't exist in that period of time) can't compare to an Average One. Siegzilla said: BanterBus said: Why would you read through UBW before Fate? Because Fate's reputation for massive sexism and bad romance isn't exactly enticing? 1) Read the Realta Nua Beast Lair version. It like, has the sexism cut out and improved. 2) The romance itself is great. It's just the presentation of it. |
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Snkopft said: RIP Ilya. GIL WAS AWESOME LOL XD Didn't feel like the flashbacks were needed in this episode though. Maybe it could have been the extra content in the bluerays? Dunno, it kinda ruined the epic mood the battle in the beginning had set. I don't remember but did shirou call out like that during the original VN? Forgot. Beautiful animation quality but....are they gonna omit that ??? I do need that scene cause it was epic (and sad) Spoillers. |
Siegzilla said: BanterBus said: Why would you read through UBW before Fate? Because Fate's reputation for massive sexism and bad romance isn't exactly enticing? LOL really. If you read the route you'd understand that the sexism thing is over blown by people who 1) havent read the route and only saw the anime. 2) have poor reading comprehension. |
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CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ 4/5 Some of what CookingPriest said on the first page is quite true TBH, IMO. |
WormPriest said: It still got the point across.....That's like faulting someone for taking a shortcut to get somewhere instead of a standard path.....They're still arriving at the same destinationTokoya said: Didn't know that violence/Near death experiences = bad Sorreh =/ Wolves chewing on a crying girl for like 20 seconds when it wasn't needed is pretty bad, yeah. |
| 3/5 I don't think I would have felt anything for Illya if I wasn't projecting at least Fate knowledge onto this. As a standalone the whole thing came across as flat to me. |
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| I didn't buy this Illya thing AT ALL. Strongest master? Hahaha. All her did was cry and shout. Why did Berseker protected her as well? Could've been better explained. Anyway, not an interesting character, I guess. |
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Siegzilla said: Insertanamehere said: I-it's meant to be read first, though. >_> Fate route isn't the most interesting and seeing how Nasu's stuff is very long and detail loaded, why read that first when the UBW route is overall better and more interesting? I mean I will get to it one of these days but even Nasu said he'd rewrite it heavily. He jjust said he'd re-write it. Simply because it's the first route - meaning he had less experience when he wrote it compared to UBW and HF. Secondly because when writing it, he couldn't get Proto(Male Saber) out of his head. Which is what caused the sexism and bad romance. You need to read it to get exposition and world building. |
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Wintovisky said: I didn't buy this Illya thing AT ALL. Strongest master? Hahaha. All her did was cry and shout. Why did Berseker protected her as well? Could've been better explained. Anyway, not an interesting character, I guess. She beat Rin in episode 3. |
Wintovisky said: I didn't buy this Illya thing AT ALL. Strongest master? Hahaha. All her did was cry and shout. Why did Berseker protected her as well? Could've been better explained. Anyway, not an interesting character, I guess. Because Hercules is actually Kiritsugu who returned to the Age of Gods. He faked his death, so he could go all that way back, die, be summoned and protect Illya. ;_; So sad... Jks |
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Siegzilla said: Which could be gotten in shorter more interesting ways then going through the entire route. I mean I will read it at some point but UBW's more interesting IMO. Just uhh... read Fate atleast before you start HF. |
JD2411 said: I felt this episode was quite disappointing. The fight was awfully one-sided and therefore, boring imo. I expected something better given the scenes in the opening. I think Illya's characters was wasted potential too. I mean, we get one flashback and that's it? yet she was introduced early on and seemed to be relevant to the main story. It kind of annoys me. Like others have said, the pacing was rather bad as well. She only truly gets to shine in HF. So either wait for the movies, wait for someone to translate the manga, or read the VN, |
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Guilek said: Wintovisky said: I didn't buy this Illya thing AT ALL. Strongest master? Hahaha. All her did was cry and shout. Why did Berseker protected her as well? Could've been better explained. Anyway, not an interesting character, I guess. She beat Rin in episode 3. Meh. Couldn't take some wolves lol. |
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Tokoya said: It still got the point across.....That's like faulting someone for taking a shortcut to get somewhere instead of a standard path.....They're still arriving at the same destination No. I'm faulting someone for adding an unneedlessly edgy and cringey moment to get a point across when it would have gotten across regardless if it was there or not by just having her almost get her throat bitten off by a wolf. It's saving you 10-20 seconds for something else that way. This isn't even that much of a big problem for me unlike the fact that Shirou gets constantly made out to look incompetently dumb in some scenes which then brings a circle-jerk about how Shirou is a retarded protagonist. |
mira-nyan said: Wintovisky said: I didn't buy this Illya thing AT ALL. Strongest master? Hahaha. All her did was cry and shout. Why did Berseker protected her as well? Could've been better explained. Anyway, not an interesting character, I guess. Because Hercules is actually Kiritsugu who returned to the Age of Gods. He faked his death, so he could go all that way back, die, be summoned and protect Illya. ;_; So sad... Jks omg so sad i cried a little bit ;_; |
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Insertanamehere said: CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ 4.5, but that's only taking into account my VN knowledge of Illya's character which makes the episode considerably more emotional. As a standalone I'd say around.....3? I agree with this. I also think the episode could have been structured better.Or better yet have them extend it or something. |
Siegzilla said: mira-nyan said: He jjust said he'd re-write it. Simply because it's the first route - meaning he had less experience when he wrote it compared to UBW and HF. Secondly because when writing it, he couldn't get Proto(Male Saber) out of his head. Which is what caused the sexism and bad romance. You need to read it to get exposition and world building. Which could be gotten in shorter more interesting ways then going through the entire route. I mean I will read it at some point but UBW's more interesting IMO. Yes, Nasu knows that now. But not then. You just need to read the route and get over with it. It's not as boring and hard as you make it out to be. :I Plus, you need the Saber and Illya expo for the end of UBW and the end of HF. |
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| How can anyone possibly like this shitty MC? Shirou is easily the most bland, stubborn, illogical and annoying MC I've seen. Bland: I want to become a super hero and save everyone, even if I recklessly die before even saving 1 person, that's it, that's my personality so far. I also cook Stubborn: It doesn't matter if I am ridiculously outclassed by my opponent, if I chant my ideals not even gods could stop me, I just need to trust my plot armor that I'll live till the end! Believe it! Illogical: I can't save anyone if I'm dead, but who cares, my ideals will protect me from bullets. Annoying: *all the above* Shirou is like a parentless child who really wants a toy, he goes in the store but he has no money because he is poor, so he just throws a tantrum and screams a lot because that toy he wants is really good for his friends and everyone, until he is about to be kicked out of the store but manages to beat the muscled security store owner and get what he wants because the toy is just that good. - On this ep: Please tell me why was Shirou chimping out at the end? Gilgamesh defeated berserker and the next step was killing his master. Is it because Illya is a cute little girl? No way, let the girl win, she's so cute and small, it's just a war, you monster. |
Siegzilla said: CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ 10/10 though I've just gone through UBW. Haven't done Fate or HF yet. Insertanamehere said: [quote=SH4kun]CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ 4.5, but that's only taking into account my VN knowledge of Illya's character which makes the episode considerably more emotional. As a standalone I'd say around.....3? CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ 8.5/10 Ukyo9 said: CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ It ok. Made some changes to the flashback to add some extra informations that would otherwise be found in a dialogue with Kotomine in another route to avoid plot holes. Some great music mid episode. Decent to great action. Absolute stunning performance from Gilgamesh' voice actor. Unfortunately it's a bit ruined by some limited but still present pacing issues. I also believe they should have avoided using visions of her mother because while I do understand their point, it may be a bit too confusing for anime-only watchers. MyNameIsJeff said: CloudStrifeFFVII said: 3/5Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ I agree with the majority of CP's points BanterBus said: CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ 4/5 Some of what CookingPriest said on the first page is quite true TBH, IMO. DamnThatsTheSpot said: Insertanamehere said: 4.5, but that's only taking into account my VN knowledge of Illya's character which makes the episode considerably more emotional. As a standalone I'd say around.....3? I agree with this. I also think the episode could have been structured better.Or better yet have them extend it or something. Thanks for all the quick responses, gonna go watch it now!~ |
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CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ It was okay and a kinda disappointing, I suppose. 3.5-4/5. I liked the fight and Gil in general. Only things I didn't like was the wolves chewing on Illya bit, Shirou being made out to look like an idiot, and Berserker breaking out of chains was done rather poorly for me. Flashback thing wasn't that bad for me and I still felt emotional over Illya regardless if the scene was better in the VN. |
Wintovisky said: mira-nyan said: Because Hercules is actually Kiritsugu who returned to the Age of Gods. He faked his death, so he could go all that way back, die, be summoned and protect Illya. ;_; So sad... Jks omg so sad i cried a little bit ;_; Oh mi gah....Y-you actually believed that? Sorry, I was just joking T_T Berserker is just caring, is all. I think some thing about it is explained in HA. Idk.... In other news, EVIL GRIN IRIYA  |
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mira-nyan said: Wintovisky said: I didn't buy this Illya thing AT ALL. Strongest master? Hahaha. All her did was cry and shout. Why did Berseker protected her as well? Could've been better explained. Anyway, not an interesting character, I guess. Because Hercules is actually Kiritsugu who returned to the Age of Gods. He faked his death, so he could go all that way back, die, be summoned and protect Illya. ;_; So sad... Jks Wait, for real? ._. |
CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ RIP/10. Seriously. Too biased by the subject material to make a real rating. T_T |
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| There were some pacing issues...I have to admit...that Zerker breaking out of the chains was pretty damn good....the entire episode had a creepy atmosphere...I think more or less,they were able to get their point through... |
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Sonotoki said: How can anyone possibly like this shitty MC? Shirou is easily the most bland, stubborn, illogical and annoying MC I've seen. Bland: I want to become a super hero and save everyone, even if I recklessly die before even saving 1 person, that's it, that's my personality so far. I also cook Stubborn: It doesn't matter if I am ridiculously outclassed by my opponent, if I chant my ideals not even gods could stop me, I just need to trust my plot armor that I'll live till the end! Believe it! Illogical: I can't save anyone if I'm dead, but who cares, my ideals will protect me from bullets. Annoying: *all the above* Shirou is like a parentless child who really wants a toy, he goes in the store but he has no money because he is poor, so he just throws a tantrum and screams a lot because that toy he wants is really good for his friends and everyone, until he is about to be kicked out of the store but manages to beat the muscled security store owner and get what he wants because the toy is just that good. - On this ep: Please tell me why was Shirou chimping out at the end? Gilgamesh defeated berserker and the next step was killing his master. Is it because Illya is a cute little girl? No way, let the girl win, she's so cute and small, it's just a war, you monster. Because you don't need to kill the master to win the war. |
SalemWitch said: mira-nyan said: Because Hercules is actually Kiritsugu who returned to the Age of Gods. He faked his death, so he could go all that way back, die, be summoned and protect Illya. ;_; So sad... Jks Wait, for real? ._. mira-nyan said: Sorry, I was just joking T_T But dayum, that would make such a great fanfic. :D |
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CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ 8/10 Good overall, but some things could have been done better. |
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Sonotoki said: How can anyone possibly like this shitty MC? Shirou is easily the most bland, stubborn, illogical and annoying MC I've seen. Bland: I want to become a super hero and save everyone, even if I recklessly die before even saving 1 person, that's it, that's my personality so far. I also cook Stubborn: It doesn't matter if I am ridiculously outclassed by my opponent, if I chant my ideals not even gods could stop me, I just need to trust my plot armor that I'll live till the end! Believe it! Illogical: I can't save anyone if I'm dead, but who cares, my ideals will protect me from bullets. Annoying: *all the above* Shirou is like a parentless child who really wants a toy, he goes in the store but he has no money because he is poor, so he just throws a tantrum and screams a lot because that toy he wants is really good for his friends and everyone, until he is about to be kicked out of the store but manages to beat the muscled security store owner and get what he wants because the toy is just that good. - On this ep: Please tell me why was Shirou chimping out at the end? Gilgamesh defeated berserker and the next step was killing his master. Is it because Illya is a cute little girl? No way, let the girl win, she's so cute and small, it's just a war, you monster. Why are you watching then in the first place?Please go away and watch edgy grim dark stories where the MCs will not really have any morals and will be edgy because they allow an apparent child to die in front of their eyes because LEL war and Fuck you Morality... |
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mira-nyan said: SalemWitch said: Wait, for real? ._. mira-nyan said: Sorry, I was just joking T_T But dayum, that would make such a great fanfic. :D lol I thought so. This is my first time venturing into a Fate episode thread, the amount of trolling is astounding lol |
CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ My vote was "it was ok". Thoughts:
All in all, I expected more. So I give it a 2.5-3/5. |
CloudStrifeFFVII said: Hey VN players, except for CookingPriest what would you give this episode?!~ 8/10 for me for this episode, it was weaker than the visual novel but it was far for terrible, I can sort of agree with Fai/cooking priest but he takes it to such a fanboy extreme I can't help but get pissed off at him. This is however probably the weakest episode so far, I never gave a shit about Illya so they should have just focused on the gil vs berserker fight scene. |
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| No feels for me this time, yet this was pretty strong scene in the game. And more backround fillers (is Kinoko Nasu writing these by any chance?) And they added and changed things. Angra Manju (even if in a dream), origin of Illya's motivation, pool of homunculi (that shares their memories of past). I mean, they did tell Ilya past but somewhere along the way they failed to make viewer care about her. It felt like routine - another master down, ok, during that let's make Gil look even more OP than he needs and then move on to caster. Just like that. Not the very best episode out there. |
Sonotoki said: How can anyone possibly like this shitty MC? Shirou is easily the most bland, stubborn, illogical and annoying MC I've seen. Bland: I want to become a super hero and save everyone, even if I recklessly die before even saving 1 person, that's it, that's my personality so far. I also cook Stubborn: It doesn't matter if I am ridiculously outclassed by my opponent, if I chant my ideals not even gods could stop me, I just need to trust my plot armor that I'll live till the end! Believe it! Illogical: I can't save anyone if I'm dead, but who cares, my ideals will protect me from bullets. Annoying: *all the above* Shirou is like a parentless child who really wants a toy, he goes in the store but he has no money because he is poor, so he just throws a tantrum and screams a lot because that toy he wants is really good for his friends and everyone, until he is about to be kicked out of the store but manages to beat the muscled security store owner and get what he wants because the toy is just that good. - On this ep: Please tell me why was Shirou chimping out at the end? Gilgamesh defeated berserker and the next step was killing his master. Is it because Illya is a cute little girl? No way, let the girl win, she's so cute and small, it's just a war, you monster. This is what people think when they don't show that Shirou actually thinks about his actions and is self aware that his ideal is impossible and that he's selfless to a point of being suicidal. All of this could have easily been told in very small monologues in certain situations. >Stubborn: It doesn't matter if I am ridiculously outclassed by my opponent, if I chant my ideals not even gods could stop me, I just need to trust my plot armor that I'll live till the end! Believe it! Shirou never once thinks that believing in his ideals will allow him to save everyone as far as I can remember. He actually thinks about his situation and what his ideals entail. The anime leaves it out because 'visual story telling' Shirou is a very broken person but he's aware of that fact. This is what he thinks before he goes out to scream this episode: http://imgur.com/8tzE9Vw This is what he thinks before he jumps down to save Rin: http://i.imgur.com/G5ZceLB.jpg This is something cut from the 1st episode: http://imgur.com/a/bTzk6 This is a monologue they butchered in episode 9: http://i.imgur.com/XwgEtPO.png |
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