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SH4kun said: CookingPriest said: Prepare for awful pacing and not seeing most of it since this episode's prescreening spoilers were 100% correct. Honestly, as long as the pacing is not as bad as this chapter and well animated, I don't care that much. I've already seen the movie and read the VN after all. Meanwhile Fai is still mixing up "arms" with "legs". |
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| This made the whole episode 5/5 landing, too bad it's not canon |
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 finally me and shirou are on the same wavelength. |
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Grey-Zone said: damastah said: I'm sorry but Fai saying that those parts of the episode were racist, has merit to it since that's basically the stereotype for radicals of the middle east as seen in media such as news, fictional works like movies, etc. It's pure bullsh*t. I am from Germany and I don't feel offended in the slightest when someone treats all Germans as Nazis (I just think such people are foolish). In school we learn how "bad" the Nazis were to the point everyone gets sick of the school shoving that dark history down our throat. Actually I think what Fai does is WORSE than actual racism. He basically says Middle eastern people have a "special right" to have their culture, religion, etc. be protected from criticism and satire, while other cultures and religions can be made fun of and criticised as much as anyone likes. That is in fact the same as actual racism (in this case the opposite extreme), but even worse because it disguises itself as having the "moral high-ground", which makes this much more dispicable than any actual racism could ever be. Absolutely agree (being myself from a very-often-misrepresented-in-anime country here and not feeling offended at all) I started to understand Fai's "there probably will be people who will misunderstand F/sn" "logic" after this racism talk though. :P |
| Caster may be a vile witch servant, but he backstory was kinda sad. Wonder how did she survive after Lancer appeared in the laboratory. Good thing she managed to get away though, and met Kuzuki. Second half was brutal. Poor Sella and Lyse.. Gil is one merciless bastard, but still can't hate him, just like Kirei. Good episode. Next week's battle will be epic as hell, though I think the end result is predictable. |
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Grey-Zone said: damastah said: But basically, people can and WILL stereotype due to that. I mean the fact that the adaptation had to depict a middle eastern character like the stereotype, is the same on how most anime will depict americans as blond and with pearl-white teeth forcing them to speak english and broken japanese all the time, aka also a stereotype. It's racist to the americans, and this portrayal has the possibility of being interpreted as racist too towards middle eastern people. I'm not saying everyone will agree, but the fact that some can and will interpret the depiction in this episode as a stereotype, confirms that racist mentality may as well be active in this case. No, because the argument itself is "elevating" the middle eastern people to a status where they "have to be protected, because they for unspecified reasons deserve special treatment", which relatively puts all other people below them... As I said, you would have to consider Hellsing Ultimate, which basically does the same in a much greater scale towards The roman catholic church and Germany, yet I cannot remember anyone complaining about that. Pointing out "racism" =/= STOPPING said racism. That's like saying because like in my post I pointed out the american anime stereotype, they have to be "elevated" into no-racism status. Toaru Majutsu no Index ALSO discusses intricately the doctrines of the Catholic church. Lots of Roman Catohlics complained about that, but like I said, POINTING OUT=/=STOPPING IT. |
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cupc said: 4 uThis made the whole episode 5/5 landing, too bad it's not canon |
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SH4kun said: CookingPriest said: Prepare for awful pacing and not seeing most of it since this episode's prescreening spoilers were 100% correct. Honestly, as long as the pacing is not as bad as this chapter and well animated, I don't care that much. I've already seen the movie and read the VN after all. From what we know it is worse. |
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| Wow...the last part was pretty fucking brutal....7 mins were cut for airing related reasons..so we will get to see Medea's backstory even more when BDs come out...overall I liked it... P.S:THANK God,no servant Shinji... |
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chat77 said: Wow...the last part was pretty fucking brutal....7 mins were cut for airing related reasons..so we will get to see Medea's backstory even more when BDs come out...overall I liked it... P.S:THANK God,no servant Shinji... No we won't get them. Ill messag eyou if you want to know what exactly was cut Hint: Not the backstory. |
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| Really liked the scenes with Shirou & Rin, Kotomine, Illya & Maids & Golden Boy. Oh and Shinji's drop was funny, didn't expect that one. The new scenes with Caster and her original master were... okay, but not too special I think. Good enough anyway. First time (?) we get to see her first master, so that's nice. Gotta love that brief Lancer moment in the elevator. :p Good episode overall. Next one will be crazy I guess. Can't wait. Pretty Golden Boy appears --> A sudden gust of wind that catches all women's attention. It even blew off one of their hoods! Leysritt: Sella, he is incredibly... fabulous. Sella: I know. Don't worry about me, just get away. I want him for myself bitch. Yes I did laugh out loud at the gust of wind. Was I the only one? lol |
HarlequinaApr 11, 2015 12:11 PM
| umm... why are you guys argueing about some random sidestory for 7 pages o_o just rejoice that a new episode is out!  |
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| Best episode so far by far. Flashbacks where really awesome and maid deaths where good. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| More hype for next episode 5/5!~ |
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| There was lots of juicy world building stuff/expansion too. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Urek said: umm... why are you guys argueing about some random sidestory for 7 pages o_o just rejoice that a new episode is out! That "random sidestory" happens to be about one of the m ost importnat characters as well as one of the main villains of this route. The fact that you believe it is just "random sidestory" already proves the adaptation failed. |
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Urek said: umm... why are you guys argueing about some random sidestory for 7 pages o_o just rejoice that a new episode is out! You must be new here. |
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| Even fai must admit the new material for caster's backstory is awesome right!? Also references bazzet and kayenth which is nice. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| So let me get this straight. Will every single discussion topic every week be derailed like this? And I say derailed, yes. Because one thing is a constructive discussion that tries in a civil way to discuss the hows and the whys something is/isn't working. Another is the overly passive/aggressive and ridiculous stance I've seen so far. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but my god, count up to ten before posting and think of the way you are articulating these ideas of yours. How people understand them and, more importantly, what you really want to convey. For the love of Nasu, the mere fact I logged in to post is a miracle, it really takes a LOT to make me post here. |
Drake1000 said: What the heck am I reading here? They couldn't have possibly ruined the 2nd best fight in UBW, they've done relatively well so far. If they do is then this adaptation is as good as that trash movie. The people who are saying that they are going to mess it up are the people who hated most of the fights so far. If you loved the fights so far then this is going to be awesome. (but seriously it will be epic) |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| But yeah best episode along with 0 and 1. I am really happy for all these additions that expand on the world. The only annoying thing was the retarded halberd. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: Even fai must admit the new material for caster's backstory is awesome right!? Also references bazzet and kayenth which is nice. If by awesome you mean incredibly racist and pointless filler, then yes. |
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Ukyo9 said: So let me get this straight. Will every single discussion topic every week be derailed like this? And I say derailed, yes. Because one thing is a constructive discussion that tries in a civil way to discuss the hows and the whys something is/isn't working. Another is the overly passive/aggressive and ridiculous stance I've seen so far. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but my god, count up to ten before posting and think of the way you are articulating these ideas of yours. How people understand them and, more importantly, what you really want to convey. For the love of Nasu, the mere fact I logged in to post is a miracle, it really takes a LOT to make me post here. I recommend you do not come back to this forum. Ever. Sorry man. |
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| Winter Forest is probably my favorite scene in UBW and I'm hopeful that it's going to be good. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
CookingPriest said: black1blade said: Even fai must admit the new material for caster's backstory is awesome right!? Also references bazzet and kayenth which is nice. If by awesome you mean incredibly racist and pointless filler, then yes. Easy there cowboy, Grey-Zone hasn't even responded to my latest "racist talk" post lol. Also spoiler that wrongly-spelled name lol. |
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CookingPriest said: black1blade said: Even fai must admit the new material for caster's backstory is awesome right!? Also references bazzet and kayenth which is nice. If by awesome you mean incredibly racist and pointless filler, then yes. Honestly didn't think it was too racist. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
ijuka said: Winter Forest is probably my favorite scene in UBW and I'm hopeful that it's going to be good. THIS SHIT BETTER BE DONE RIGHT. I'm not a very salty person, but this is important to me. |
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Ukyo9 said: So let me get this straight. Will every single discussion topic every week be derailed like this? And I say derailed, yes. Because one thing is a constructive discussion that tries in a civil way to discuss the hows and the whys something is/isn't working. Another is the overly passive/aggressive and ridiculous stance I've seen so far. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but my god, count up to ten before posting and think of the way you are articulating these ideas of yours. How people understand them and, more importantly, what you really want to convey. For the love of Nasu, the mere fact I logged in to post is a miracle, it really takes a LOT to make me post here. That is because here you can't post ANY critique without getting attacked and harassed by certain group of people. You do that and certain people will start sending you death threats and ganging up on every thread. If something seems "angry" it is beacuse "certain people" escalate it. ANGRY2011 said: ijuka said: Winter Forest is probably my favorite scene in UBW and I'm hopeful that it's going to be good. THIS SHIT BETTER BE DONE RIGHT. I'm not a very salty person, but this is important to me. All I can say is don't get hopes up. There's some really big problems with even pacing in next episode. |
AhenshihaelApr 11, 2015 12:00 PM
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| Maybe slightly racist against arabs but being a magus isn't exactly welcomed in their society. Also rich people generally are bastards. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Didn't notice any racism until i read it here |
| I've literally watched 40 episode battles in One Piece, I doubt the pacing is going to kill me. But I don't think stereotypes even are racism. Like if people made fun of Finns being unsocial and rude I'd go "well that's true" instead of "that's racist". IMO many things there are more important than where he might be from. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
Ukyo9 said: So let me get this straight. Will every single discussion topic every week be derailed like this? Its not really derailed but yeah. Anyways, finally Golden Knight is back. Could have made it a little more of a thing, no? Some more music for him woulda been nice. Tohsaka + mine was 10/10. Could of used more caster, and the pacing is really akward this ep tbh. |
| Well I knew the guy was an arab but my immediate thought was "awesome I get a peak into magecraft from other areas". Also this guy is obviously a traitor against his own people because the magic association doesn't have any influence in the middle east right? It would be cool if that was one of the nasuverse motives for the western intervention in the middle east thinking about it. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| >filler episode because Nasu totally isn't participating on the production and writing the extra scenes. Also, where is the racism ? Muslim having a harem ? or a magus being a dick on a Nasuverse work ? |
| To me, filler episodes might even be more enjoyable because it's new content and it's interesting seeing the characters and the story expanded upon, whereas if it's just a 1:1 I'll know exactly what's going to happen... Which isn't bad, but just the other side of the coin. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
| If this episode is filler then world building is filler. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
ZangetsuPriest said: >filler episode because Nasu totally isn't participating on the production and writing the extra scenes. Also, where is the racism ? Muslim having a harem ? or a magus being a dick on a Nasuverse work ? The same Nasu who does not have any idea what is in episodes airing or in BDs and is surprised that something is nto there? Muslim who abuses women is rich and has his own personal harem and an army. Yes that is a stereotype. black1blade said: If this episode is filler then world building is filler. Not worldbuilding. WE did nt learn any thing new. What was stated this episode could have fit in one sentence. |
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| Caster's backstory didn't feel that well implemented but whatever Next episode should be epic at least |
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CookingPriest said: That is because here you can't post ANY critique without getting attacked and harassed by certain group of people. You do that and certain people will start sending you death threats and ganging up on every thread. This is saddening, but I don't believe that retaliation will bring anything good. I see a vast amount of paranoia around. One thing is for certain: any good opinion, regardless of how well grounded in reality it is, will be regarded as trollish behaviour if it's expressed in such a way. At least, this is how I see it and how people unaware of what is happening with the community will (or so I am inclined to believe). We might discuss that good opinions were being disregarded even before, when the discussion was calm. But this is no excuse for what I'm seeing. People acting like that are everywhere, there's no point even discussing. I am really sorry for acting like an improv. behaviour warrior but this really is getting out of hand. |
black1blade said: Well I knew the guy was an arab but my immediate thought was "awesome I get a peak into magecraft from other areas". Also this guy is obviously a traitor against his own people because the magic association doesn't have any influence in the middle east right? It would be cool if that was one of the nasuverse motives for the western intervention in the middle east thinking about it. I thought middle eastern official magic is already well represented by Sion? Though her name would be much more offensive to Arabs than Caster's master representation. :3 |
black1blade said: If this episode is filler then world building is filler. Episode wasn't filler. PARTS OF IT were filler. |
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| The king has arrived. Bow your heads, filthy mongrels. |
"You either die an Ashita no Joe, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Naruto."  |
| The added scenes are spectacular, as a vn reader I always wanted to know more about the background of caster's first master and ilya's servant. That last credit scene where the numerous of golden swords pointing towards the Hercules chest piece is amazingly well done. |
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| But let's discuss something more important now: Why did Shinji stop midair? |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
| One of the better episodes so far. I liked the new scenes with Caster's master, and the interactions between Shirou and Rin are just as good as the previous episode's. I could have lived without the silly scenes with the maids and Shinji, the transition between them and the serious part was jarring. I can't wait for next week. |
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