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Apr 11, 2015 5:55 AM

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Um... didn't bother reading most of this and it's been a while since I've seen the first season but tell me if I mistook this scenario that played out between hachiman and ebina on the rooftop:

she confessed because he would actually accept the "rotten" (fujoshi?) side of her, he said no to protect her social life, she went on about how she was okay with the rejection because she liked her friends and current life even if she had to hide her true self but at the same time hated herself (possibly for not being able to give those up & being able to pursue hachiman?)
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Funny, in case you don't realise, people can be flawed. Yukino's problem, among other things, clearly has to do with 8man's action being in support of the superficial relationship that both of them previously agreed on single mindedly hating.

If you want all the characters wise and insightful giving out sagely advice, then you can go watch Mahouka and indulge your petty wish fulfilment. Characters may not always act in ways agreeable to you - neither do people - it's part of what constitutes art and life.

If Yukino were to meekly stand by his side and sing his praises, then she would be no better than all waifu baits the genre is rife with.


lmao, what? Dude, I get that you don't like me, but you can stop seeking me out to leave bullshit comments on everything I say. I never said shit about ~*~wish fulfilment~*~ and I gave Mahouka a 1 as it is, which if you're bothered enough to seek me out in forums in the first place, you should actually check before you start shouting about me all over the damn shop. Goddamn.

And yes, Yukino is flawed, all these characters are flawed, I never denied that??? If Yukino wasn't flawed, she wouldn't be shouting at Hachiman for dumb reasons. The point stands that Hachiman helped a girl that didn't want to be pressured to date publicly avoid the situation. I'm not talking about Tobe, fuck Tobe for everyone that keeps bringing him up, he got rejected and then wouldn't back down, he don't deserve any damn sympathy. Hachiman's thing is he helps people that are in trouble, he got asked to preserve their friendship and help Ebina reject Tobe and he did it. Even if they hate the relationship these ppl uphold, it'd be plain douchey to force it all apart... that's not their decision to make. I don't even know where you're getting any of this "sagely advice" crud from. Did you even read any of my posts or are you just making stuff up on purpose when you see me now?

And lol I didn't say she needs to sing his praises (I already brought up that all she does is bicker with Hachiman and they'd be an awful ship as a result b/c that's no way to run any sort of relationship, even a friendship) but it was still a dumb reason to shout at him. If she doesn't want to put the feelings of people like Ebina first then she shouldn't be in a group dedicated to helping those in trouble in the first place.

And honestly, I never said the story should change... I just said I hated Yukino's reasons and the way she shouted at him. This might shock you, but I'm aware that I don't find everything agreeable because I don't agree with this! Amazing! It's almost like I can watch something whilst criticising the characters and their decisions. Shocking, right?
lmfaooooo seeking you out? Your narcissism is mortifying..
In case you just made an 'honest mistake', you were the one that commented on my post on the other character design thread the other day. Not vice versa. I've never seen you before on forums, never mind seeking you out. Ha! See that; Are you truly so self absorbed as to think someone calling out on your unwarranted acrimony on a series on it's own discussion threads two times in the space of, what four days? is proof you their stalking you?

You may not have said anything about sagely advice or wish fulfilment or anything of the sort, but you clearly implied that. You wanted character's to act and do things 'not stupidly' when everyone else agrees that there was nothing stupid about their actions, only subjective interpretation. If that is not wanting wish fulfilment, I don't know what is. More to the point, Yukino DID NOT shout at him. It's about time you start paying a modicum of attention to what you are watching. At least, if you are going to slander something, do that with a pint of actual reasonable criticism. Get your facts straight before talking big

They were avoiding the issue, circumventing it, stalling the confession - to keep the peer group intact. The out in the open confession had the purpose of reaping a definite response, instead vague, ambiguous dodge lines. The 8man we knew originally wouldn't stand for something like that, that is to say, affirmation of fake and loosely founded relationships. He would have rather tore it apart and shred it to pieces so they could at least try to have something genuine. This time he did the exact opposite, and the only things Yukino and 8man saw eye to eye were their mutual dislike of pretences. So obviously, she is disappointed. She isn't mature or wise enough to let that go - especially as a person who holds ideals above all else to the point of alienating the entire society upto and including family. What 8man did this time is a compromise of both his and Yukino's ideals; Yukino is a vigorous advocate of change, she believes that change, confronting believes in facing problems head on and stamping down on anything in the way. Hachiman, as adverse as he is to change, up until this point inspired it in everyone he helped, including Sagami, when Yukino's method of helping her only pampered her further. So he, by affirming and acting out in spite of himself to save the status quo, let down every ideal Yukino had on what 8man was; a parallel with the situation 8man himself was let down by his image of Yukino's absolute authenticity. Even so, she DID NOT shout at him. She expressed her disappointment...in one sentence..one quite and severe whisper, but in a whisper nevertheless. In other words, your argument is still a fail. Now if it's another honest mistake and you actually meant..you know, the orange haired girl who did shout at him..well, its more obvious, so I won't insult your intelligence by spelling that out..

Forcing the relationship apart is not their choice to make, but forcibly holding it together and preventing a natural fallout by creating an artificial camaraderie by impelling the procrastination of an inevitable confession is not their choice to make either..especially when it involves putting a frankly unnecessary stigma on his own already disgraced person.

People can have relationships that include constant bickering - its not as impossible as you make it. I could expound, but I'll refrain. Anyway, this is the internet, no one is putting a leash on your disliking or liking their actions. However, labelling a character's decision that is well grounded in reason as 'stupid' 'idiotic' or 'horrible' simply because of a person dislike? Well, not that anyone is saying you can't, but calling you out on that is quite honestly a natural course of action for anyone..
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Hachiman was getting rejected by girls throughout grade school and middle school. While it wasn't as bad because, as you said, he didn't feel a thing for Ebina, he was still pretty much re-living the thing that traumatized him. Also, butting in on someone's confession like that is really not a nice thing to do. It went well this time, but Tobe could've totally blown up on Hachiman for pulling that stunt.


meh the 2nd part i can understand but the first not so much, i do remember all the confession flashbacks in S1 but i wouldn't think about that if i did what hachiman did, he just said empty words to ebina. but i guess it can be seen that way

still doesn't fix the yukinon issue tho, she went from "go do your thing i support you" to "i hate what u did" in a few seconds


Yukino did not expect what hachiman just did, remember the school festival? Yukino and Yui was not there when Hachiman confronted Sagami. They did not know what he is capable of even at the cost of his social status or himself. And besides after the festival, i think she is attracted to 8man. Fast forward to the fake confession incident, what would you do if the person you like did what Hikki did? Would you be happy? :) that's why i think that is the reason Yui and Yukino have that reaction. :)
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Aapjuh said:
do i not get it or what?

how was what hachiman did bad? or hurting him? i dont get it, he doesn't love BL-girl anyway so how does he get hurt by making fake confession...

this whole episode was off imo, yukinon and yui both smile and say they trust in wutever he plans to do, hachiman goes and does fake confession, yukinon mad at way he did thing... the fuck dont make any sense..

atm S2 sucks.


Just came on to say much the same, unfortunately. Aside from Hachiman, who continues to look like he's lost in emo angst rather than self-aware sarcastic/cynical, I did adjust to the art more. In terms of Yukino, anyway. Maybe she has just mellowed, although the warmer eyes/face do detract from her kuudere charm. But I have no idea what has happened to the series as a whole, going on these two nothing episodes. Not sure if S1 made the novels better than they were or S2 the opposite but it's going the way of Haganai in terms of the writing. And that ain't a good thing.

I understood Hayato's reservations about Hachiman's methods in S1: scaring children / making them hate each other and kicking a girl when she's down in order to play the bad guy. And in neither of those instances did Yukino walk off as if she's disgusted or Yui start crying in a melodramatic manner. I don't see what Hachiman did that was wrong: he gained broship points with the idiot by saving him from humiliation, and he earned the fujoshi's affection by fulfilling her request indirectly. They were both happy with him, even. No-one was hurt. Only Hayato had reason to be displeased because, again, he'd lost to Hachiman's non-happy problem solving. I think the implication was that Yukino and and Yui were hurt because of how Hachiman keeps damaging himself... except, in this instance, he didn't. And, as Aapjuh said, they were more than willing to trust Hachiman, knowing his methodology.

I can't say whether it's the anime's change of direction or the novels since I haven't read them, but towards the end of S1 Yukino laughed behind paper after Hachiman basically made everyone hate him for her. Now she can't stand to see him help others. HUH!?

Also, the fujoshi business: shallow and utterly pointless. This definitely reminded me of Haganai and its lead befriending the fujoshi. So, she doesn't want to date boys because she's rotten and has melodramatic WTF blank faces over the prospect. But she is interested in Hachiman now. So glad two episodes were spent on the idiot and fujoshi not getting together so Hachiman could add a harem member. Sarcasm.

Even though it isn't a BAD anime, at this point it's pissing me off so much I'm gonna consider dropping it if the next few episodes are just as bad. The preview not showing anything and comments in the ep1 thread suggests SOMETHING might actually happen aside from walking. Soon. But if it's Yukino becoming a drama queen and avoiding Hachiman until he stops being smarter than her, I quit.
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testamentKAISER said:

Yukino did not expect what hachiman just did, remember the school festival? Yukino and Yui was not there when Hachiman confronted Sagami. They did not know what he is capable of even at the cost of his social status or himself. And besides after the festival, i think she is attracted to 8man. Fast forward to the fake confession incident, what would you do if the person you like did what Hikki did? Would you be happy? :) that's why i think that is the reason Yui and Yukino have that reaction. :)


she knows for sure "hello most hated guy in school" end of S1, and if by now she doesn't know how he solves things shes just blind.

i dont rly think what he did is such a big deal, if a mate of mine did that i wouldn't give it a 2nd thought, he just made a fake confession to help some ppl out, and i doub the other grp hates him for it

if anything so far his social status with the other grp has improved infinitely since ep1S1 they even talk to him now(the blond for example) and rely on him (hayato/ebina) even kawasaki seems to be fine with him.
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Even though it isn't a BAD anime, at this point it's pissing me off so much I'm gonna consider dropping it if the next few episodes are just as bad. The preview not showing anything and comments in the ep1 thread suggests SOMETHING might actually happen aside from walking. Soon. But if it's Yukino becoming a drama queen and avoiding Hachiman until he stops being smarter than her, I quit.


Dropping the series at this point where the actual character development will happen will be a really bad choice for you. I suggest sticking with it till the end. Though the Drama intensifies, its necessary for the characters to reflect on the things they did wrong. And the end will make the suffering worth it. so much HNNNNG
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molassus said:
Dropping the series at this point where the actual character development will happen will be a really bad choice for you. I suggest sticking with it till the end. Though the Drama intensifies, its necessary for the characters to reflect on the things they did wrong. And the end will make the suffering worth it. so much HNNNNG


'Tis why I try to avoid dropping series: incomplete thoughts > inaccurate thoughts. And I do wanna see what has LN novel readers excited to the point it validates the #1 selling on-going LN series, or whatever. No doubt I will finish it: just annoyed at the moment. I just hope, with the return of the school setting/club-room, the idiot and fujoshi will go back to being sidelined comic relief characters. Plz.
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Aapjuh said:
testamentKAISER said:

Yukino did not expect what hachiman just did, remember the school festival? Yukino and Yui was not there when Hachiman confronted Sagami. They did not know what he is capable of even at the cost of his social status or himself. And besides after the festival, i think she is attracted to 8man. Fast forward to the fake confession incident, what would you do if the person you like did what Hikki did? Would you be happy? :) that's why i think that is the reason Yui and Yukino have that reaction. :)


she knows for sure "hello most hated guy in school" end of S1, and if by now she doesn't know how he solves things shes just blind.

i dont rly think what he did is such a big deal, if a mate of mine did that i wouldn't give it a 2nd thought, he just made a fake confession to help some ppl out, and i doub the other grp hates him for it

if anything so far his social status with the other grp has improved infinitely since ep1S1 they even talk to him now(the blond for example) and rely on him (hayato/ebina) even kawasaki seems to be fine with him.


She just knew what happened but she did not witness it. So there. :) hayato just said, that hikki is the last person he wants to rely on, yumiko is a coincidence i think, ebina is a different matter, if she is as perceptive as she was, the incident with Sagami maybe had given her an idea who really solve
The problems at that time.. (Maybe she knew like hikki, that Sagami is useless. Then hikki's involvement gave her an idea that he can be relied upon. So those words she said to him before the fake confession is what i think why Ebina chose to rely to 8man)
Apr 11, 2015 6:42 AM

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Very brilliant episode. Yui and Yukino may not like the way Hachiman does things but it's pretty much the only way. He's the only one willing to play the bad guy. He is definitely "The Dark Knight" of this series. Don't think I've seen a character to be considered tragic in a slice of life series before but Hikigaya definitely fits the bill. I just love his internal monologues. "The biggest liar of all was me".

10/5 episode.
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Aapjuh said:

she knows for sure "hello most hated guy in school" end of S1, and if by now she doesn't know how he solves things shes just blind.


Hachiman usually solves problems by being a smart, but awfully honest jerk, or just by thinking outside of the box. Sagami's case was actually the first time when Hachiman put himself directly in the crossfire in order to save everyone involved. He did consider doing that several times, like trying to confront Miura to stand up for Yui, or to get on his knees before Hayama so that his group stops disrupting Totsuka's tennis practice. But this time, he pulled it off for everyone to see.

And I think that upon seeing Hachiman's fake confession, Yukino and Yui finally realized that Hachiman's martyrdom is not a one-time-thing. That it didn't end with Sagami's case. That he would take a bullet for anyone who needs help if need be, as many times as it takes. That ultimately, he's headed for self-distruction and that he will not save himself. That's a really tough thing to know about someone who's important to you.

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Also, the fujoshi business: shallow and utterly pointless. This definitely reminded me of Haganai and its lead befriending the fujoshi. So, she doesn't want to date boys because she's rotten and has melodramatic WTF blank faces over the prospect. But she is interested in Hachiman now. So glad two episodes were spent on the idiot and fujoshi not getting together so Hachiman could add a harem member. Sarcasm.


You're simply reading too much into it. Not sure if that's wishful thinking or the opposite of wishful thinking.
Anyway: Ebina did by no means confess anything, or show interest. She merely noted, in an indirect way, that she and Hachiman are both similarly weird in the head. And she followed it up with "And I like how I can prattle off empty words like it's nothing." There you have it. Empty words. Nothing but small-talk to keep a conversation going. The meeting itself only had the purpose of Ebina expressing her thanks, and that she was ok with the way Hachiman handled things.
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Because he's the hero sobu high deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight.
Apr 11, 2015 7:32 AM

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Everything the anime left out from the LN. Well, the important bits anyway.
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Apr 11, 2015 7:40 AM

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This episode just confirmed that I don't like Hayato a single bit. What an idiot.
Apr 11, 2015 7:50 AM

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Good scene, nice BGM, and amazing monologue as always..

But, I kinda disagree with Hachiman's reason "It's the most efficient method to solve this problem" as a cure-all for the pain of Yui and Yukinoshita got.

Well, Hachiman is Hachiman. He doesn't care seriously eventhough He's the only one who getting hurt brutally. He doesn't even care if someone getting hurted when He's in pain. This is why this guy is so epic.
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i like the pace of the episode. the chemistry between Yui and Hachiman was great.

i think the confession confrontation could have been done differently so that haichiman did not become the bad guy, which is what Yui and Yukinon probably thought and berated Hachiman after for.

'Helping someone out is not a justifiable reason for you to get hurt, That holds true even if you`re used to pain, There are people who`d be hurt by watching you get hurt" Shizuka Hiratsuka
Apr 11, 2015 8:13 AM

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Hachiman quote of the day

"I sort of feel like an animal being fed. Not bad. Food I didn't have to work for tastes awesome."

lol Hachiman is the best mc







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Hachiman is a tragic hero
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Apr 11, 2015 8:51 AM
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so, some of the scenes in the op will change next week right? (considering that volume 7 has been covered)
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i like the pace of the episode. the chemistry between Yui and Hachiman was great.

i think the confession confrontation could have been done differently so that haichiman did not become the bad guy, which is what Yui and Yukinon probably thought and berated Hachiman after for.

'Helping someone out is not a justifiable reason for you to get hurt, That holds true even if you`re used to pain, There are people who`d be hurt by watching you get hurt" Shizuka Hiratsuka



well said...



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so, some of the scenes in the op will change next week right? (considering that volume 7 has been covered)

I doubt it. They didnt change the op last season so I doubt they'll be doing it this season.
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This was a good episode! It did feel a BIT rushed since you'd think a problem like this would span over 3 episodes to fully flesh it out, but when I think about it..I don't mind that much. I felt the same tense atmosphere for the confession scene I felt when reading the LN so it's all good! I find it a bit sad that some people are hating on Yukino (like on other sites too), but you have to keep in mind that she's only human. They're imperfect. (Which Hikki realized about her in Season 1 back when he thought she was the ''perfect'' girl.) Other than that, I find Yukino's reaction realistic although a bit distasteful and harsh. But what can ya do? ' o '. Yui's reaction was realistic also it's just that she's not the type who can be harsh without thinking first.

On another note. I REALLY like Tobe's seiyuu. His voice just has that smooth "bro" tone that fits perfectly and I hope he gets more roles in the future.
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TsukiCrasher said:
so, some of the scenes in the op will change next week right? (considering that volume 7 has been covered)

I doubt it. They didnt change the op last season so I doubt they'll be doing it this season.

but they're only reusing the scenes in ep 1 and 2 in this 2nd season for the op. the op for first season showed most of the characters involved in each arc so they don't have to change them.
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That was a fun to watch. I hate how crunchyroll airs it at 1 am D;
Well I guess hachiman hurt yui and yukino by always playing the bad guy.
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For some reason i found this episode to be really sad, but it was an amazing episode also
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For some reason i found this episode to be really sad, but it was an amazing episode also

agreed :)
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yukinon : I hate the way you do things.

Then hachiman should have said

Hachiman ; I hate that you don't do anything.
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I should be hating Hachiman for doing things like he does, yet I can't hate him. His disturbing personality is what makes this anime so endearing.

That confession must have incredibly hurt Yui and Yukino. Imagine what if Ebina, despite her personality, accepted Hachiman right there and then. While Yui tried to give Hachiman a bit of comfort while being hurt, she ended up getting hurt even more as she started crying and left. Yukino probably left the scene early because she wouldn't want to be caught off guard, who knows maybe she shed a few drops of tears too on her way back.
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That was a fun to watch. I hate how crunchyroll airs it at 1 am D;
Well I guess hachiman hurt yui and yukino by always playing the bad guy.
he did not play the bad guy this time.


Seeing your friend got rejected,you will feel sorry for him. The one who got rejected will feel uneasy even if lying/serious. At first it is ok, but then you will realize why you have been rejected.
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Everything the anime left out from the LN. Well, the important bits anyway.
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Despite all of this missing, it was still a great episode!
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Great episode. Honestly, I was scared that the studio might do a shit job adapting this, but looks like they're doing quite well.. for now.

It must suck to be Yukino and Yuigahara though, seeing the one they like confess to another girl like that.
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Hachiman is trully a great character. That's all I have to say ;))
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yukinon : I hate the way you do things.

Then hachiman should have said

Hachiman ; I hate that you don't do anything.

Me: Please read the novel.
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Can anyone explain to me a part of the conversation between 8man and Miura? Because honestly it makes no sense to me:
"Ebina doesn't like talking about herself, and I don't ask, but I'm pretty sure she hates that kinda stuff."
Hates what? Talking about herself?

And immediately after:
"That's not quite right. If you had to sacrifice a bunch to protect something, you'd probably throw it all away. Even the relationships you currently have."
How does this follow what Miura said? Also, to protect one thing, you'd probably discard everything else? What?

I've checked the LN and it's the same there, it still makes no sense to me.
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Can anyone explain to me a part of the conversation between 8man and Miura? Because honestly it makes no sense to me:
"Ebina doesn't like talking about herself, and I don't ask, but I'm pretty sure she hates that kinda stuff."
Hates what? Talking about herself?

And immediately after:
"That's not quite right. If you had to sacrifice a bunch to protect something, you'd probably throw it all away. Even the relationships you currently have."
How does this follow what Miura said? Also, to protect one thing, you'd probably discard everything else? What?

I've checked the LN and it's the same there, it still makes no sense to me.


I think 8man is referring to Ebina. She really loves her "personal life" than her relationship with her friends. You know the rotten part that ebina told 8man, that they both share near the end of the episode, i think this rottenness is = Selfishness. Hina's priority is hers but for a time having friends with miura's and hayama's circle gave her happiness, but she will abandon it the moment it will not suit her anymore. That is what i think. Although as of the latest 8man is becoming a bit more selfless.
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That blonde bitch really needs to die..the most painful way possible pls .
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Loved this episode; the build-up and the conclusion were perfect. Man, Hachiman is a real genius; we share similar cynical world views, but I'm not as good at expressing my feelings as well as he can.

Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol.
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testamentKAISER said:
Octave_ said:
Can anyone explain to me a part of the conversation between 8man and Miura? Because honestly it makes no sense to me:
"Ebina doesn't like talking about herself, and I don't ask, but I'm pretty sure she hates that kinda stuff."
Hates what? Talking about herself?

And immediately after:
"That's not quite right. If you had to sacrifice a bunch to protect something, you'd probably throw it all away. Even the relationships you currently have."
How does this follow what Miura said? Also, to protect one thing, you'd probably discard everything else? What?

I've checked the LN and it's the same there, it still makes no sense to me.


I think 8man is referring to Ebina. She really loves her "personal life" than her relationship with her friends. You know the rotten part that ebina told 8man, that they both share near the end of the episode, i think this rottenness is = Selfishness. Hina's priority is hers but for a time having friends with miura's and hayama's circle gave her happiness, but she will abandon it the moment it will not suit her anymore. That is what i think. Although as of the latest 8man is becoming a bit more selfless.


I have a different interpretation of those lines.
First off, the dialogue with Miura:
Ebina doesn't like talking about herself in front of Miura, because she's 'rotten'. The term 'rotten' is often used to describe Fujoshi, aka 'rotten women'. In other words, if Ebina talked about herself more, Miura, and the other popular kids, would probably find most of that stuff 'gross', and that wouldn't exactly improve their relationship.
Remember how Miura always hurries to shut Ebina up when she goes full fujoshi mode? If everyone found out that Ebina is a weirdo, her popularity would go way down. Therefore Ebina doesn't talk about herself much. Not disclosing her inner self to those around her allows her to maintain just the right distance to them and keep her social status.
And the thing she hates is 'being asked out by guys'. Miura isn't 100% sure about that, and she doesn't know why she would hate that, because again, Ebina doesn't talk about herself.
That was the entire reason why Miura talked to Hachiman in the first place. Her message was basically:
"Stop trying to set Ebina up with Tobe. She hates that. A lot. If you go on with that crap, there'll be trouble for our entire group. "

This leads in to Hachiman's line about discarding something:
Ebina has a reason for not starting a relationship. A reason that's very important to her. If she were forced to choose, she'd rather protect that reason than her current relationships, including Miura's popular kids group. In other words, if we include all the information we have from the entire episode, it comes down to this:
If Tobe were to confess to Ebina, she would reject him, even if that would endanger Miura's group.
She would NOT go out with Tobe just to keep the group together.
If we include Ebina's words from her talk with Hachiman at the end of the episode, we can add:
Ebina considers herself rotten and she's pretty sure that she would be unable to maintain a lover's relationship. If she would go out with Tobe, (even if she did like him), the relationship would fall apart quickly, which would in turn lead to the destruction of Miura's group.
Apr 11, 2015 2:03 PM

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God those three really have such a weird dynamic.

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Apr 11, 2015 2:13 PM
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I have a different interpretation of those lines.
First off, the dialogue with Miura:
Ebina doesn't like talking about herself in front of Miura, because she's 'rotten'. The term 'rotten' is often used to describe Fujoshi, aka 'rotten women'. In other words, if Ebina talked about herself more, Miura, and the other popular kids, would probably find most of that stuff 'gross', and that wouldn't exactly improve their relationship.
Remember how Miura always hurries to shut Ebina up when she goes full fujoshi mode? If everyone found out that Ebina is a weirdo, her popularity would go way down. Therefore Ebina doesn't talk about herself much. Not disclosing her inner self to those around her allows her to maintain just the right distance to them and keep her social status.
And the thing she hates is 'being asked out by guys'. Miura isn't 100% sure about that, and she doesn't know why she would hate that, because again, Ebina doesn't talk about herself.
That was the entire reason why Miura talked to Hachiman in the first place. Her message was basically:
"Stop trying to set Ebina up with Tobe. She hates that. A lot. If you go on with that crap, there'll be trouble for our entire group. "

This leads in to Hachiman's line about discarding something:
Ebina has a reason for not starting a relationship. A reason that's very important to her. If she were forced to choose, she'd rather protect that reason than her current relationships, including Miura's popular kids group. In other words, if we include all the information we have from the entire episode, it comes down to this:
If Tobe were to confess to Ebina, she would reject him, even if that would endanger Miura's group.
She would NOT go out with Tobe just to keep the group together.
If we include Ebina's words from her talk with Hachiman at the end of the episode, we can add:
Ebina considers herself rotten and she's pretty sure that she would be unable to maintain a lover's relationship. If she would go out with Tobe, (even if she did like him), the relationship would fall apart quickly, which would in turn lead to the destruction of Miura's group.

Thank you very much, things are a lot more clear now.
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Apr 11, 2015 2:26 PM

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Slightly confused this episode. Did the others not like Hachi's method because they like him? The drama was really intense this episode though, hope it keeps up.
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Apr 11, 2015 2:43 PM

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I was waiting for Ebina to say "yes"... get some panic going. Oh well.
Apr 11, 2015 2:47 PM

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A nice episode, well rounded, enjoyable and with the fantastic Hachiman work.
However I cannot say that there is something off about the series, as such I'd just like to address on of the most important aspects.

Here is the issue with Hachiman and Yukino, and it's not just "It's another studio and we want to find a reason just to hate the new production", absolutely not, the problem lies in how the characters appear and behave. To preface, I would like to say I didn't read the VN or the likes, so I can't know what is going on from where the anime left off with the last season. However I can say that if they did skip something in between that justified their characters' change then they skipped a very important piece of the series, and that is because the show relies so much characters, especially Hachiman and Yukino. If somehow they did skip that transition for some reason, then they really did commit a gross mistake.
In the case they did not commit said mistake, because the series just started out from there, then there is still something wrong, but just with consistency.

To address the actual problem, that yes Hachiman and Yukino ARE in fact more involved with their classmates, there is a lack of discussion or exchange between the club, as well ideological clashes. But the most uncomfortable of these "changes" is how Yukino seems to have been pushed aside and downgraded.
In the first season it was possible to see that she was serious, diligent and intelligent, and ironically despite holding the belief that change is good, she didn't want to change herself. In this season, while on with this episode you could see some ideological conflict, she seems to have turned into Yui, incapable of coming up with a plan herself and just being silent while Hachiman does the work.
This brings us to the next point, Hachiman, he's become a lot more involved too, his exchanges with the members of the club are kept to a bare minimum. he's also become more upfront and "aggressive" (which is something I don't mind, in fact I do like it but it's not "him"), and people seem to treat him differently, kind of weird because you can't really tell, one minute they hate him then they don't? How fickle can you be?
Regardless, I can say that I was somewhat disappointed initially in how these two characters were handled. The rest of the cast was either kept the same like Yui just being the emotional and (forgive me) stupid character while the show starts delving more into other characters that were perviously glossed over, which serves as the next setting.
But even then, and this is bordering with the personal, is just that one of the major reasons I liked Hachiman is that he didn't change. While some may call it "character development" what suddenly happened to these two characters alone, I am inclined on disagreeing, because there was hardly any change in their characters at the end of the previous season that suggested that they felt this change. In fact Yukino's face was hardly betraying any thoughts when it came to Hachiman, and even the ending was only suggesting some sort of "acceptance" and in no way warranted those typical harem girl blushes, that didn't appear in the last episode of season 1 either. And on a similarly personal view, I just really appreciate a character that doesn't change on how he thinks, and sticks with it to the end, because I too think that a great character doesn't change and because a character (or even a real person) that manages to remain him/herself deserves a lot more respect than a flag waving whenever there is wind in different directions, because not changing is a triumph against the pressure people face. The first season really seemed to be hinting that too, because at the end, nothing changed and there was hardly any romance which I loved, since it's tiring to see one guy saying "I don't want girls" and then ending the show with "I want girls" or "X is my girlfriend now". The anime was doing such a good job at delivering actual characters and having a serious tone with good drama and developments without having a linear plot or abusing fanservice, where there was none and there still seems to be none. (Although I think the fanservice is just Hachiman being awesome)

At the end of the day these are just the first 2 episodes, maybe people were expecting something better despite trying to not expect anything as long as Hachiman was in there, or they were expecting to see just Hachiman being Hachiman. Who knows what the next episodes will have in store, but just watching episode 1 disappointed me, with my hopes coming up only with episode 2, although I fear I know where it is going. Many of the other changes were just ok, it's natural especially with a series like this and a change in studio. The art is just ok, it's just a change to the environment which is definitely not an issue, just like the attempt to make Hachiman look more "handsome", it's just fine.
Apr 11, 2015 3:10 PM

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Hachiman intereference is just fucking epic and Yui is falling for him i guess
Apr 11, 2015 3:26 PM

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Terrible exposition and the art isn't getting easier to accept. Yukino didn't have a problem with Hachi's methods at the end of first season and still had her cold demeanor even though she was kinda friendly. Yui wasn't so open with her feeling or this timid. This is too soon, it's forced, and it's not going well imo. They started with a bad arc, they needed more character set up before introducing a conflict. Hachi's stunt wasn't even that robust to get that kinda of reaction out of those two so out of the blue.
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Apr 11, 2015 3:28 PM

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Hachiman is such a fucking boss. You have to be strutting around with a big fucking dick to be willing to be the bro of bros by taking everyone's shit.

Seriously. He put that dumb bitch from season 1 in her place, and made the entire school his enemy.

Even Yui, Yukino, his sister and Shizuka shit on him all the time. Totsuka is legit the only nice person to him.

After all of that, he was still the bigger man and accepted Hayato and Tobe's request, even though he had no reason to whatsoever.

Then on top of that, we see that both Hayato and Ebina were basically using him as the middleman scapegoat. Because they KNEW that he would fulfill the request by doing something to make everyone continue to hate him, and they would all be able to maintain their superficial relationships just as planned.

I honestly cannot fucking stand Hayato as a character. I despise people like him in real life too. He is the embodiment of all that is superficial and fake. And one of the biggest people pleasing ass-kissers I've ever seen. Always has to please everyone, and is never willing to do anything himself or get his own hands dirty. He uses Hachiman because he know he'll get the exact results he wants from him, but then criticizes his method of execution.

Just goes to show what a piece of shit coward he is. He legit said "these relationships are all he has". That's pathetic. Without those superficial friendships he is literally nothing. And he wont do anything directly to keep those relationships intact. He just uses people and works from behind the shadows.

When Hachiman confronted him I honestly wanted Hachiman to call him out and be like "I despise cowards like you the most" or something.

Then once again, Hachiman saves the day like a boss, and everyone gives him shit. Even Yui and Yukino who once again contributed nothing to solving the problem and left it all to Hachiman.

The ending though, with Ebina saying she hated herself and whatnot, and the monologue about the lies. I wonder if they're going to dive more into that. That shit sounded really serious and important. I would be pissed if that was just the end of the arc right there and nobody brings it up anymore.

EDIT: Also during that scene with Hachiman eating the bun....dat piano version of the S1 OP. Fucking awesome.
Jonesy974Apr 11, 2015 3:36 PM
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I'm gonna kill that bitch if she calls Hachiman "disgusting" one more fucking time. He's the best character ever! :c
Apr 11, 2015 5:12 PM

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somebody just got jealous LOL

RockerXD said:

one thumbs for hachiman
Apr 11, 2015 5:27 PM

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I'm ready to rate this a 10/10 already. Story quality is as good as in the first season, fortunately.

Hachiman is the best character in anime ever, in my opinion.
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I'm ready to rate this a 10/10 already. Story quality is as good as in the first season, fortunately.

Hachiman is the best character in anime ever, in my opinion.


Yeah same. This was one pretty damn good episode.

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