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Feb 2, 2015 9:43 PM

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༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Korrvo.
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-Taiyou said:
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AH! found it
But that's like basic creative writing know how.... Do they do it differently in gundam animu? Maybe I should watch one, after all, assuming they think outside of the basic creative writing plot structure and it's totally spectacularly different from the basics, lel. That could be useful in my own writing.
I don't really know what you're saying in this context.
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Ckan said:
-Taiyou said:
But that's like basic creative writing know how.... Do they do it differently in gundam animu? Maybe I should watch one, after all, assuming they think outside of the basic creative writing plot structure and it's totally spectacularly different from the basics, lel. That could be useful in my own writing.
I don't really know what you're saying in this context.
I don't even know what context means. You can't expect me to know these words which have a major correlation with social interaction.
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༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Korrvo.


Korrvo is my Drama Queen.
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-Taiyou said:
hentai_eucli said:
AH! found it
But that's like basic creative writing know how.... Do they do it differently in gundam animu? Maybe I should watch one, after all, assuming they think outside of the basic creative writing plot structure and it's totally spectacularly different from the basics, lel. That could be useful in my own writing.

Are you a stop sign?
Because stop
Feb 2, 2015 9:51 PM

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KokkoStar said:
-Taiyou said:
But that's like basic creative writing know how.... Do they do it differently in gundam animu? Maybe I should watch one, after all, assuming they think outside of the basic creative writing plot structure and it's totally spectacularly different from the basics, lel. That could be useful in my own writing.

Are you a stop sign?
Because stop
No thanks.

You're not even trying to comprehend what I'm saying Kokko; stop trolling.
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Feb 2, 2015 10:00 PM

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-Taiyou said:
You're not even trying to comprehend what I'm saying Kokko; stop trolling.

Can't expect much more in this club, dude.
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Feb 2, 2015 10:05 PM

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Ckan said:
I don't really know what you're saying in this context.
I think your misunderstanding the context or the literal meaning of my words.

What I was saying was that how you describe the plot of gundam anime is how it goes down in most stories. I don't see how that's relevant, so I assumed since you usually have such good opinions, there'd be more to it, or that it was beyond the point--tbh, I assumed you were referring to Mayuka's post in that Gundam thread and you just summed it up, so if you aren't getting it then it was really me who misunderstood the context, lol
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mayukachan said:
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You're not even trying to comprehend what I'm saying Kokko; stop trolling.

Can't expect much more in this club, dude.
Its not like I was intentionally expecting anything less; I'm used to the trolling; its certainly not just this club, but srsly, he's not even legitimately trying to provoke me. He might as well be speaking in gibberish
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Feb 2, 2015 10:10 PM

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> good opinions

Yer sounding like a FASCUST
Feb 2, 2015 10:11 PM

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LAOG said:
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Korrvo.
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LAOG said:
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Korrvo.


Korrvo is my Drama Queen.
*hairflip* damn straight
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Feb 2, 2015 10:12 PM

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> good opinions

Yer sounding like a FASCUST
your bad at this.
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Feb 2, 2015 10:13 PM

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I'm not trolling, I legitimately want you to stop. That sounded really pretentious, and I don't use that word lightly.
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-Taiyou said:
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I don't really know what you're saying in this context.
I think your misunderstanding the context or the literal meaning of my words.

What I was saying was that how you describe the plot of gundam anime is how it goes down in most stories. I don't see how that's relevant, so I assumed since you usually have such good opinions, there'd be more to it, or that it was beyond the point--tbh, I assumed you were referring to Mayuka's post in that Gundam thread and you just summed it up, so if you aren't getting it then it was really me who misunderstood the context, lol

Umm, yeah. Eucli was quoting an explanation of Gundam viewing order/series relations because, y'know, it has a lot of anime entries and that tends to be confusing for people?
Feb 2, 2015 10:16 PM

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Ckan said:
-Taiyou said:
I think your misunderstanding the context or the literal meaning of my words.

What I was saying was that how you describe the plot of gundam anime is how it goes down in most stories. I don't see how that's relevant, so I assumed since you usually have such good opinions, there'd be more to it, or that it was beyond the point--tbh, I assumed you were referring to Mayuka's post in that Gundam thread and you just summed it up, so if you aren't getting it then it was really me who misunderstood the context, lol

Umm, yeah. Eucli was quoting an explanation of Gundam viewing order/series relations because, y'know, it has a lot of anime entries and that tends to be confusing for people?
Mmm, okay.

I needa get good at this context thing.
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Feb 2, 2015 10:19 PM

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Stop bashing Mayu's Gundamu posts! Hmph.
Feb 2, 2015 10:23 PM

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KokkoStar said:
I'm not trolling, I legitimately want you to stop. That sounded really pretentious, and I don't use that word lightly.
I can see why you would think I was trying to be pretentious, but I'm not here to impress you guys. I'm here for me because I'm bored.

If it looked like I was using a word which didn't seem like I understood, then you could've maybe corrected me or something? That would've been the humane thing to do, instead of assuming I was trying to act smart to impress you guys. Like how Ckan fixed a grammar error in my post, a simple, "I think you're misunderstanding the literal meaning of this word." would've helped.

Oh, and thanks for that Ckan.
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Feb 2, 2015 10:36 PM

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woah what happened
Feb 2, 2015 10:37 PM

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Mayuka should be the Queen of MAL.
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Feb 2, 2015 10:40 PM

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hentai_eucli said:
woah what happened
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Zeta986 said:
Mayuka should be the Queen of MAL.

I've been nominated very often. Thank you.
Feb 2, 2015 10:42 PM

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the tsundere thread still hasn't been locked in the time i was asleep top lel
Feb 2, 2015 10:43 PM

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mods only do their job when you report the threads. lol
Feb 2, 2015 10:44 PM

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If Mayuka is the Queen then silverwalls will be the Princess of MAL.
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Feb 2, 2015 10:46 PM

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Then who's the Harem King?
Feb 2, 2015 10:48 PM

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Ok I have a couple of questions about asspulls
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ass+Pull
Now, If I understand correctly, Its basically the appearence of something new without it being shown before?

Why is this a bad thing? I don't get it
And how much foreshadowing is usually needed in order for it to not be an asspull?
Feb 2, 2015 10:50 PM

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Then who's the Harem King?


hentai_eucli should be the Harem King of MAL.

Prince of MAL should be cupc.
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Feb 2, 2015 10:51 PM

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Zeta986 said:
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Then who's the Harem King?


hentai_eucli should be the Harem King of MAL.

Prince of MAL should be cupc.

Nah not really.
Harems are not really my specialty. Hentai are.
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silverwalls said:
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woah what happened
I killed the thread like always, lmao
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Feb 2, 2015 10:52 PM

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nah, i think most people are sleeping >_>
Feb 2, 2015 10:56 PM

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nah, i think most people are sleeping >_>
waht
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Feb 2, 2015 10:58 PM

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If Mayuka is the Queen then silverwalls will be the Princess of MAL.

aww thanks senpai
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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, Knov looks like a geezer now eeeeeeeeeeeeew

Also, I'm convinced butterfly bishou son of a bitch piece of shit fucker in HxH is a Gemini now. It makes no sense, but its the only explanation.
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hentai_eucli said:
Ok I have a couple of questions about asspulls
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ass+Pull
Now, If I understand correctly, Its basically the appearence of something new without it being shown before?

Why is this a bad thing? I don't get it
And how much foreshadowing is usually needed in order for it to not be an asspull?
It's a pretty stretchy term. Mileage may vary and all that.

It's generally a bad thing in the sense that it tends to be 'lazy writing' that gives an unsatisfactory solution to a problem (for the reader). Generally, the term is used in a derogatory/insulting way because of its crass connotations ("pulling something out of the ass"), so using the term carries the negative meaning to begin with.
Why it's bad can vary, but it's usually because it can break believability, doesn't fit the tone or 'laws' of the story, comes across as a ridiculously convenient and meaningless resolution (deus ex machina), and so on.
So it's probably more dependent on execution and type of story rather than a universal rule of 'what is acceptable' and what sort/how much foreshadowing is required.
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Ckan said:
It's a pretty stretchy term. Mileage may vary and all that.

It's generally a bad thing in the sense that it tends to be 'lazy writing' that gives an unsatisfactory solution to a problem (for the reader). Generally, the term is used in a derogatory/insulting way because of its crass connotations ("pulling something out of the ass"), so using the term carries the negative meaning to begin with.
Why it's bad can vary, but it's usually because it can break believability, doesn't fit the tone or 'laws' of the story, comes across as a ridiculously convenient and meaningless resolution (deus ex machina), and so on.
So it's probably more dependent on execution and type of story rather than a universal rule of 'what is acceptable' and what sort/how much foreshadowing is required.


I see. But I don't remember encountering something that made me think this. I mean, this is my personal opinion of course, but if something manages to surprise me with a new skill or whatever, it probably means that that was its purpose. If I somehow was able to predict it or was informed about it through the story, it would be less impressive. I don't know why even the "lazy writing" ones should be categorized as asspulls. New hidden skills etc.(Or asspulls) sound pretty awesome imo :P

Edit: Now that I think about it I may have encountered some but I don't remeber it
I did a simulation in my head, and thought about an army that is cornered and is saved by some kind of, not-known before, new ally.
And that seemed like an asspull indeed. I'll have to pay attention to each situation from now on, to see if I can judge..
I hope you get what I'm trying to say with the example btw, cause I'm not sure if I can explain it properly
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I wish there was like a new futuristic sci fi anime with interstellar travel, colonising on other planets and trying to survive in a new hostile environment. Perhaps with like Mechas defending the colony from attacking alien creatures or something.

A bit like Sidonia but more along the lines of Civ Beyond Earth.

Sort of like this,

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http://myanimelist.net/anime/12029/Uchuu_Senkan_Yamato_2199
kinda fits this

but yeah im totally up for a show like that. we need more real sci-fi
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I wish there was like a new futuristic sci fi anime with interstellar travel, colonising on other planets and trying to survive in a new hostile environment. Perhaps with like Mechas defending the colony from attacking alien creatures or something.

A bit like Sidonia but more along the lines of Civ 5 Beyond Earth.

Sort of like this,


terra e..?
Feb 2, 2015 11:27 PM

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hentai_eucli said:
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I see. But I don't remember encountering something that made me think this. I mean, this is my personal opinion of course, but if something manages to surprise me with a new skill or whatever, it probably means that that was its purpose. If I somehow was able to predict it or was informed about it through the story, it would be less impressive. I don't know why even the "lazy writing" ones should be categorized as asspulls. New hidden skills etc.(Or asspulls) sound pretty awesome imo :P

Edit: Now that I think about it I may have encountered some but I don't remeber it
I did a simulation in my head, and thought about an army that is cornered and is saved by some kind of, not-known before, new ally.
And that seemed like an asspull indeed. I'll have to pay attention to each situation from now on, to see if I can judge..
I hope you get what I'm trying to say with the example btw, cause I'm not sure if I can explain it properly
I think it really has to come to specific examples with this sort of thing. A lot of people will just call twists asspulls because they dislike them, essentially.

A lot of shows are built around surprises. Whether proper build-up and foreshadowing is required - probably depends on the story/genre.
For example, with battle-shounen, we tend to expect abilities or changes in power levels to be explained. A sudden appearance of a new sort of ability could be seen as an 'asspull', but it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for the work. It'd probably imply the author hadn't thought this up beforehand - hadn't planned things out - but those aren't necessarily an inherently bad thing either.

It really just depends, but essentially, the term 'asspull' is a word charged with agenda.
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You'll like Terra Formars.

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silverwalls said:
terra e..?


2007....new enough I guess.

PTW.
Feb 2, 2015 11:29 PM
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Macross Frontier maybe.
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A good twist surprises the characters, a bad one only surprises the viewers.
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terra e..?


2007....new enough I guess.

PTW.

yeah it's seriously worth watching, sadly not too many have seen it.

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Macross Frontier maybe.

yeah this one fits your description too, +1
Feb 2, 2015 11:33 PM

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KokkoStar said:
A good twist surprises the characters, a bad one only surprises the viewers.

Kokko 2015, the wisdom wonderboy.
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Ckan said:
I think it really has to come to examples with this sort of thing. A lot of people will just call twists asspulls because they dislike them, essentially.


Okay, how about these three:
Shingeki no kyojin

Sword art online first season

Hunter x Hunter 2011


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A good twist surprises the characters, a bad one only surprises the viewers.

wut
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Saw it and loved it.

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Macross Frontier maybe.


Yeah I need to get started on Macross as well. I've been taking a bit of a break from my great mecha pilgrimage.
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hentai_eucli said:
Ckan said:
I think it really has to come to examples with this sort of thing. A lot of people will just call twists asspulls because they dislike them, essentially.


Okay, how about these three:
Shingeki no kyojin

Sword art online first season

Hunter x Hunter 2011


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A good twist surprises the characters, a bad one only surprises the viewers.

wut

The SAO one is definitely one. The AoT one I dunno, the only foreshadowing I remember was the injection and that is weaksauce. Alluka is too.

It means exactly what I said.
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