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Dec 28, 2014 1:33 PM
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I disliked the season mostly because of Mika, but there goes another season. It was a good ending, because Kamui finally got his recognition (their recognition?) and even though this didn't even come close to comparing to the first season, it's got me excited for the movie. Maybe, hopefully, after it comes out, Kogami will come back with a badass third season?
aha...optimism. Probably not.
5/10 for the season, 7/10 for the series.
Dec 29, 2014 3:08 AM

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Am i missing something? Who is the person in the final scene in prison? Is that Kamui?
Dec 29, 2014 8:24 AM

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So, in the end not much has changed but Sybil got at least reformed somehow. I like how Akane go out and find a solution with her reasoning and by the law and I also like how ending was pretty bittersweet. But I didn't like those last words of Sybil system that they won't enforce this new group judging in the future even after what happened and that all in this series lead almost to nothing.
(by the way - am I the only one who finds "group-psycho pass" judging pretty nonsense? Cause it would lead into even more dystopic society). Now my hopes are only on the movie and I wonder if they ends with Sybil system there.. but honestly? I doubt it).

Compared to S1 this season was lacking all the time as there were many logical plotholes but I can't say I didn't enjoy it as a whole, though on the other hand it was nothing special in the end, just more of the same.

6-7/10 for me. Some episodes were meh but some were pretty good.
Dec 29, 2014 8:39 AM

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Psalidokrator said:
Am i missing something? Who is the person in the final scene in prison? Is that Kamui?


One of the mysteries of Pscyho-Pass

If you remember Season 1 same thing same scene inside Sibyl thats one of the mystery

do be frank Eliminator mode kinda vague a so-so way to die
so you saw Togane didnt explode only his arm came off but in other people they explode and they paint the surroundings Red (thats their color) WC?

anyway Season 1 Sibyl already sided Akane only the corrupted brains are hindering her plans to make Sibyl perfect enough to judge equally and no more flaws
Dec 29, 2014 8:50 AM

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So Kogami is going to be with the terrorists attacking Sybil in the movie. Poor Akane, lol.
Dec 29, 2014 4:09 PM

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wat said:
So Kogami is going to be with the terrorists attacking Sybil in the movie. Poor Akane, lol.


thats how Reality works, this show depicts ideal world and corruptness/flaws of the system if you see it largely
thats why there wont any World Peace because each one of us has their own Ideal World

the anime is way too deep if you look in different perspective from Season 1 to 2
What does Kogami wants ?
What does Akane wants ?
Dec 29, 2014 5:52 PM

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Lol so much hate.
Dec 29, 2014 10:11 PM

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Disappointing, Just kind of boring.
Dec 30, 2014 2:41 AM

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I love the amount of people who were like "it was average I give it an 8" haha it makes me feel like people don't take advantage of the full range of the rating system.

Digressions aside too much of this season felt forced and just there for the sake of adding tension or darker tones. Now don't get me wrong the first season had this as well but it just felt more pronounced and ludicrous. For instance the numbers always felt like they meant something in the first season but here it's just for the sake of plot convenience. The way the dominators worked in general this season ((like the 3 shot limit which got added and if I had to take a guess will never be talked about again)) just seemed to be because of lazy writing.

Overall I think I'd give it an average/10 ((that's a 5 not an 8 just in case you were wondering)).
Dec 30, 2014 4:09 AM
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I sincerely believe that PP2 wasted its potential to match it's predecessor. PP1 has 22 episodes, while PP2 has just 11. It's no surprise then that people like PP1 better, it's because PP1 didn't feel rushed. Makishima was established and built upon all of PP1, but at the same time we learned about the various side characters such as their opinions of Sybil and their history.

PP1 Episode 12 was a fantastic example of this, Yayoi Kunizuka's history was explained, but at the same time we learned more about the world of Psycho Pass and its dystopic feel. After a huge climax, we had a break to learn more about the characters and the world.

PP2 Episode 1 was fantastic, but because of the pacing the story immediately went into the main plot. Each episode brings another climax, however, without establishing the characters we don't have enough time to really care about them. Tougane's potential was also incredibly wasted. We were told that he had the highest record psycho pass of all time, and that he liked to push inspectors over the edge, however we weren't really shown this in great detail. Not showing how Tougane both became an enforcer and turned his inspectors black is a big mistake. Seriously, Tougane literally was shown being sent to the asylum and then immediately talking about turning inspectors black. The phrase "show don't tell" comes to mind.

Ultimately, this is my main problem with PP2, in that it tell us important things, but doesn't show them. However, I think all of the ideas explored are very interesting, so it's a pain to see it rushed and failing to live up to it's predecessor.
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Well, that ending was incredibly confusing. What happened with the Sibyl system..? To me, it seemed like it basically said ''We tried to change, but in the end, we failed and we'll have to wait until we succeed. Chow bye, lol''
It looked like it made a big fuss and ended up keeping the status quo. Woah, it makes me realise that Sibyl is probably the ultimate politician, shallow as fuck.

Anyway, we also found the ultimate mama boy, aka Togane. That fucking dude... ''DON'T TOUCH MY MAMA!! ONLY I CAN STAB HER TO DEATH!!!''

Anyway, I found this finale to be a bit unsatisfying. It was really confusing, though it ended on a little wink to the coming movie with Kougami probably being the main ''antagonist''.
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Dec 30, 2014 5:32 PM

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idk i thought it was pretty good. was a bis confusing though and not exactly told in the best way it could have been. I hope the movie is better.

But overall wasn't bad.

Reading synopsis for the movie, it seems good. Makes me think about s1 opening where akane and kougami are pointing guns at each other, akane a dominator and kougami a standard gun. Akane representing sibyl and Kougami representing terrorists/rebellion/not sibyl.
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Dec 30, 2014 5:56 PM
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Psycho-Pass
MAL average: 8.59
me: 6

Psycho Pass 2
MAL average: 7.81
me: 9

I don't remember a thing about the first season, not even when it aired, or why I didn't like it as much. But this second one... incredible. With a bit more focus on characters I might've given 10/10.
Dec 30, 2014 6:07 PM

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Psalidokrator said:
Am i missing something? Who is the person in the final scene in prison? Is that Kamui?

that was Shisui , not Kamui. How can anyone confuse them,I knew right away when I saw the last episode . The main disappointment I had in the last episode was that Shisui stayed alive .... she deserve to die (sigh) she was the character that I hate most in this season.
Dec 31, 2014 8:21 PM

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This season have one big problem, lack of characters like Shogo Makishima or Shinya Kougami...
Jan 1, 2015 8:09 AM
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Overall not as gripping as the first season, I think. I'm still glad this second season exists and wouldn't mind having another season at some point - maybe with a bit more time for story development.

The music was nice as always and I did enjoy reading some of the comments regarding Mika. As I posted in a previous thread, they played you like a violin.

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I watched the first season right before watching the second, and I can say without hesitation that season two is almost boring in comparison.

Okay, yes, even the first had some elements that needed work, but overall? The characters and the way the characters interacted were SO MUCH BETTER. Makishima was, in my opinion, a brilliant villain. I disliked him as a character for his cruelty but I was honestly upset when he died because a great antagonist was lost. Kamui...in my opinion he can't even compare :/

I liked the inspectors and enforcers way more in the last season, as well. I lost count of the number of times I wanted to slap Mika >.>

Also, the first season was more exciting overall. For example, I know a lot of people found the last episode disappointing, but I personally thought it had a pretty good climax. Was there even a climax in this season's finale? I felt like nothing was really accomplished...

I don't wanna give it a terrible score out of respect for the first season, but I definitely could have lived without watching this. I give it a 6/10.
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Ugh, so upset that they ignored Ginoza D:<
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Jan 2, 2015 10:33 PM

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We already knew that the system was flawed from season one...
Here are some of my final thoughts about this anime:
-Too many deaths.
-Severe lack of great MC and villain. Sorry, Akane, but Shinya is over 9000 times better and more interesting than you. Same thing about Kirito compared to Makishima.
-Mika annoyed me with her constant jealousy and backstabbing AND she got away with all of it.

Final score is 6/10 because despite all of the above mentioned, I was still somewhat mildly entertained.
Now let's hope the movie will be better.
Jan 3, 2015 8:19 AM

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Dammit, I thought that when Kamui was making Sybyl judge itself, it was going to be a epic psychological back to forward about its morals and stuff but I get the most uninspired thing that happen. Sybyl was like whoops, erase, erase, erase. I'm more perfect now, now the error is gone now I can judge this collective being, can I get fistbump. I'm not buying this shit. What did it even acomplish?

Sidenote: Why does Akane just let Sakuya just die, get rid of him, he's no hope saving anyway, what's the point of keeping him alive. Let god kill this son of a cracker. (he dies anyway tho). :l@ not impressed
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Jan 3, 2015 9:05 AM

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Wasn't expecting this season to top my favorite anime season ever (season 1) but very entertaining, 10/10 for me. Now I just that in the near future the Sybil system and Mika get destroyed because oh my did they both dodge a bullet there.
Jan 3, 2015 10:02 AM

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MASTERPIECE.

But no seriously,this was utter shit compared to S1 4/10.


agree, utter shit

4/10
Jan 3, 2015 12:51 PM

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I don't get why you people hate it so much. Yes, season one was definitely better but this one was pretty good as well.

Aside that idiot called Mika and the multiple massacres, it was very nice seeing a more serious Akane and a good villain like Kamui. Tougane was also a very interesting character and the OST and animations are great as always. I think my only regret is that Ginoza was left out.

I personally enjoyed the season. Lets see that the movie will offer us.
Jan 3, 2015 11:48 PM
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Huge shitshow in my opinion. TOO many chaotic things going on during this whole anime and they stack on top of one another. So many casualties for no reason in comparison to the first season as well. Everything just felt so out of order in this one.
Jan 7, 2015 4:46 AM
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it was the worst end they could made
Jan 7, 2015 6:04 AM

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RIP Kamui.

I don't care about Togane and his mom's death though, lol. So he had "Oedipus Complex".

Akane still maintains her hue color despite of the terrible things that happened around her.

Mika suffers insanity. Although she's annoying, I still feel sorry for her.

Although this show is not really bad overall, it is not as gripping and epic as the first season.
Jan 8, 2015 8:20 PM
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Wow ... just wow. This would have to be on my top 5 list of the worst animes of all time. And its not that bad of an anime all by itself but when compared to the first season, it looks horrible.
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I don't hate the 2nd season as much as everyone else here apparently but it's very underwhelmng. I fell in love with the story and society season 1 created and even though not all cases/episodes were equally good, the end game with Makishima was truly interesting and kept me pulling in, something that S2 misses in my opinion.

I don't dislike Kamui, I actually like the goal he managed to accomplish, for the system to recognize a group of people and judge them as whole and thus creating a situation in which the system itself has been (and can be) judged (in the future). The only problem is just that it's very underwhelming and doesn't feel like an ending, more like a prelude to another season or movie, though I highly doubt the upcoming movie will have anything to do with overthrowing the Sybil System.

The main problem with S2 is the lack of enjoyable/interesting characters. Where in S1 we had Ginoza, Kougami, Masaoka and ultimately Makishima, I have yet to hear people actually state they like the S2 characters. Ginoza is barely even present in this season and Mika is just a piece of shit that managed to frustrate about 9/10th of the viewers. Akane is the only overlapping character for both seasons but she alone does not cut it, I personally didn't like her that much in S1 and without the other characters to strengthen the cast, it's just very weak and if a show doesn't have likeable or interesting characters, it's pretty much doomed anyways regardless of plot and S2 is the prove of that if you ask me. The only saving grace for S2 was the screentime Saiga got but again, he alone cannot save the trainwreck that is the "main" cast.

Another problem is Kamui, like I said, I don't dislike him at all, I feel kind of sorry for him I suppose but that's it. He's just... there. His background story is very much stretching the bullshit level for me and we don't get the chance to get to know him like we did with Makishima and it just shows that the S2 cast is just not that good. They should've concentrated on his pov, shown how exactly he is able to control everyone's psycho pass (the one scene with Shisui -or what is her name- does not explain much at all) and important stuff like that. Apparenly he knew about the true nature of the Sybil System and used his own situation to confront his own problem and the System in 1 go but how the hell did he discover it? It just feels very forced and a bit of convenient writing, which only cheapens his character. Frankly speaking he's a very inferior antagonist compared to Makishima and that's the main problem I think.

All in all I did like some aspects of this season. I like the idea of the possibility of Akane being the one to do the final judging on the Sybil system, and Kamui whom made that a possibility. But there are a lot of plot holes (how the hell did Kamui know about the true face of the Sybil System is my main question)/inconsistent writing/irritating actions from certain characters that just blow the good points up and made the season just... not that good.

It might've been better if this was the first season or perhaps a prequel to it, obviously with Kamui having a different goal but still starting some kind of evolution against the Sybil System and then handing the baton over to the first season (and Makishima), I feel like a lot of people would judge S2 less harshly because of the unavoidable comparisons that are being made now.
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One of the worst episodes I seen all year. Lets go through a list of why I think this episode was absolute shit.

-Akane taking down Tougane was retarded.
-The utter stupidity of not having non lethal weapons besides the denominator's paralyse mode.
-Kasei conveniently being in front of Sibyl.
-Kasei should have immediately died and exploded but no let her fall on her ass and allow her to talk for a couple of seconds.
- Sibyl has a large steel door but apparently Kamui can speak through it and it can get to Sibyl.
-The fact that Sibyl stopped because of what Kamui said. I am sure they heard many things over the years by people but no those words made it stop. Funny how when the door opened they were functioning properly.
-More needless gore from season 2.
-The whole Kamui changing to different forms was cheesy and not necessary. We get it you are from multiple people, stop shoving it down our throats.
-Kamui might be the collective of all those people but that doesn't mean he has to speak like them individually. Why the studio directing the episode did this is beyond me. If it is to evoke emotion they did a terrible job at it.
-Shisui being taken out way to easily by Ginoza was random. So you take out Ginoza for large portions of the season but why the hell not bring him in to take out the Shisui.
-The enforcers from Akane's team did jack crap. Absolutely disappointing.
-Didn't like the sudden character shift in Tougane.
-Kamui pointing the denominator at Sibyl and it having a CC of 300. Another generic number thrown out with no context.
-Kamui could've destroyed Sibyl but no hesitate because of plot
-Sibyl used some kind of gas to destroy every single brain but the main one. Yet we can clearly see brains being shuffled around during the Kamui and Tougane exchange.
-Tougane crying.......ya no.
-Tougane cutting off his hand way too quickly.
-Tougane's mom telling a child the inner workings of Sibyl. No fluff but hell let him know why you are going.
-Tougane's screaming was annoying
-We learn Kamui has a CC of 300. Where did that number come from? Who the hell knows. But what is funny is how Akane is pointing the lethal denominator at him and telling him he is under arrest.
-Akane putting her hand on her ears was dumb.
-Akane should have had her CC increase by a little. I don't buy this "she is pure bullshit".
-Music was unfitting and distracting.
-Tougane and Kamui taking each other out was lame and cliche.
-Kamui being pushed back off his feet was random. He should have been able to stand and exploded. But no lets have him fly off his feet and have that generic anime smile.
-Tougane not dying by denominator and running away. Why? Who the hell knows.
-Shisui could have blew up the bombs but no plot.
-A giant denominator sniper that just paralyses the individual. Stupid and unnecessary
-The giant sniper shouldn't have made it in time but hey for plot purposes let it hit her first before she can press a fucking button.
-Sibyl removes the Akane's inspector title but then says "inspector Akane, take out Kamui".
-The division 3 guy says Akane is under arrest but doesn't think to check her CC.
-Mika being useless and once again letting her enforcers do the work. I mean granted the enforcers (besides Ginoza) did jack crap but at least they something.
-Mika being retarded and screaming at the top of her lungs
-Mika saying she will forget everything
-Mika sucking the metaphorical dick of Sibyl
-Akane smiling in front of Kasei and even making a joke in front of her
-Nothing said about Kamui's followers
-No build up to the movie

This episode was even worse than the Akame Ga Kill final episode. I was shaking my head the entire time at the utter stupidity of it. 4/10 as an episode and 4/10 as a series.

LOLZ, watch it again and come back here, boys.
"-Akane should have had her CC increase by a little. I don't buy this "she is pure bullshit"."
it did.
"- Sibyl has a large steel door but apparently Kamui can speak through it and it can get to Sibyl."
seriously, dude. go watch it again. or perhaps we're watching different show?

i wonder why people just keep whining in this forum. the discussion is nowhere.
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hahailham1 said:
i wonder why people just keep whining in this forum. the discussion is nowhere.
There's nothing to discuss.
That's the main problem with this season, it brings nothing interesting to the setting, while making certain aspects of it far less interesting.

Ubukata did the same for GITS, a series known for having philosophical themes, he put none of that in ARISE, just action (and a really fucking shitty char design for the major, i guess he really likes that fringe).

How shit this season was and in which ways it contraddicts season1 is basically the only thing to discuss.
It's not like this just here by the way, pp2 discussion is dead pretty much everywhere.
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I liked Psycho-Pass 2, although shorter it was still great. I see people complaining about Shimotsuki's character, and I hope this doesn't translate to negative thoughts about the season. Not all characters are meant to be perfect and her character is actually quite "human". Also her character offers something to contrast to Tsunemori which is kinda seen as the perfect main character. I appreciate Shimotsuki's character and they did end her story pretty well considering what kind of a character she was in the first place.

Anyways for me the show is a 9/10 and it is definitely worthy of a watch if you liked Psycho-Pass 2.
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Psalidokrator said:
Am i missing something? Who is the person in the final scene in prison? Is that Kamui?

that was Shisui , not Kamui. How can anyone confuse them,I knew right away when I saw the last episode . The main disappointment I had in the last episode was that Shisui stayed alive .... she deserve to die (sigh) she was the character that I hate most in this season.


Actually its more interesting she's alive. Like how she was kept alive by Kamui, she is now kept alive and is shown to think about her situation.
Jan 11, 2015 8:34 PM
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That whole Jylon post though.... can refute and argue against so many of the nonsensical things he/she is talking about but let me not Q_Q
Jan 12, 2015 4:42 AM
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That whole Jylon post though.... can refute and argue against so many of the nonsensical things he/she is talking about but let me not Q_Q


i want, too. but seems like he's not likely to visit this page anymore
Jan 13, 2015 11:11 PM
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Jesus Christ someone who could give such a lengthy detailed review of the anime but couldn't bother spelling the name of the practically only weapon in the anime right:
D O M I N A T O R.
And btw most of what Jylon pointed out sounded like he was bitching more than reviewing. As if many of those things didn't happen in anime in general.
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this was one of the all time worst sequels ive ever watched, its astonishing how much this series gets wrong, this is definetly in the same veign as darker than black S2 and char's counterattack where the series is just nothing but a collection of fuck ups and bad ideas that only lessen my enjoyment of the series prior to it.

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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7/10. Enjoyable overall, but nothing stellar compared to Season 1.

I liked the Kamui character(s) and Tougane was a total piece of shit... other wise somewhat forgettable characters.

(Minus a few from season 1)
Jan 17, 2015 12:07 AM

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Well up until this point I was sold on this one, but this final episode has stirred up an array of mixed feelings. Although I most certainly ended up enjoying this season, it just felt like something important was missing. It had some interesting ideas, particularly the omnipotence paradox and the theme surrounding the colors, but it felt a great deal less inspired than season 1. The philosophy was far more watered down and Kamui's motives felt like they fell short in comparison to Makishima's. I don't want to compare this to season 1 too much though, but I just feel that if they were going to do a sequel, they should have done something more relevant to what happened before. This story, as someone else put it, felt almost like it could have been passed off as filler. Huge potential was wasted and I would find it even more disappointing if Psycho-Pass suddenly stops without closure, which was ironically provided in season 1.

With that said though, I will go ahead and give this season its due praise and say that it was able to draw me in and keep me glued to it from start to finish. The early episodes were very strong and Kirito Kamui's case was still a fascinating one. The idea that his existence ran parallel to the Sibyl System itself really begged a new question to its order and whether it was worthy of judging him or not. I'm not exactly sure what happened at the end, but my guess is that after assessing Kamui, Sibyl removed the brains that had Crime Coefficients above 300 in order to match Kamui's existence while remaining within their own parameters. That might explain why they were so readily willing to remove Togane as well, although I'm still confused how she was able to abuse Sibyl's will as an individual.

Another shortcoming with this season is its length. 11 episodes just aren't enough with what this series puts on the table with its characters and themes. If they do continue PP, I hope they take their time to flesh out what made season 1 such a joy to me.

I'm going to say a solid 8/10. Although that does indeed mean very good, it's still disappointing from the angle of someone who considers season 1 a 10/10 and top 10 show. Oh and can I just say how much fun Mika was? Trolled easily agitated viewers and I found her to be too amusing in general.
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particularly the omnipotence paradox
the omnipoence paradox was a pretentious attempt by the writer to make s2 look less shallow than it actually is.
it doesn't actually apply to anything in the show, it just lampshades how whomever decided to put that in has no idea what a paradox is, or that Akane is kind of dumb (as if ep7, 2, 6 and 8 weren't already enough).

kinda annoying how you can just throw fancy words at people and they'll buy whatever nonsense you're spouting, season1 did the same but at least not on the main point, and s1's pretentious bullshit required more than half a second of questioning for it to fall apart, heck you just have to google it.
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http://www.animemaru.com/anime-studios-now-only-hiring-writers-who-have-legally-changed-their-name-to-urobuchi-gen/

Lmao he himself said that "Psycho-Pass 2 was by all accounts an unmitigated failure"
thats a parody site genius

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Jan 21, 2015 1:55 AM

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Ah this season was great! Kamui was a great antagonist with an interesting concept that supported him. Although having 184 people's consciousness is a little bit iffy for me because of how difficult it is to assign thought processes to sectors of the brain. However! That's something I can overlook because it is 2100 and there are many possibilities that I am not aware of.
Some of Kamui's actions were kind of vague to me as to why he needed so many people dead to achieve his goal, but I can theorize about those.

9/10 for me. I enjoyed it very much.
I'm not really too sure why people hated this season so much (because I don't go to each page and read every poor sod's post) but I believe the story does present itself well, although not quite as clearly as season 1.
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Okay, so Kamui points the Dominator to Sybil and it reads '300'. After Sybil discards some of the brains that would increment its Crime Coefficient, the Target Threat Judgement is updated to '0'.

1) I understand that Sybil's CC as a collective entity could be low, okay. But how could it be 0? If Sybil discarded some of the brains because they were going to have a negative effect on its CC... was it because the final CC was going to be an average value?

Then, Kamui says to Tsunemori,
'If it's a collective entity, the one who's holding the Dominator becomes a part of it. If someone else points it at that thing, it may show a different color'.

2) Why would Tsunemori be able to read a higher value if she pointed the dominator to Sybil? After all, Sybil is behind each Dominator. Why would the person holding the weapon have any influence on the veredict?

All in all, I liked Season 2. I think it was unnecessary to leave Kougami out. It felt like those movies 'part 2' that leave certain characters behind because the actors who play them don't accept the money they're offered to make a sequel
I really like how determined and independent Tsunemori became, and I definitely prefer 'the new' Ginoza from Season 2.
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That was one of the main points that frustrated me this season. First off, all the brains in Sybil are the brains of the CRIMINALLY ASYMPTOMATIC (info from S1). Why the heck would the collective CC be 300?

And even if that were the case, all the judgements of the Dominator must go through Sybil first (this is also something confirmed in S1 by Choe Gu-sung). So they would never judge themselves as 300. Their number and psycho-pass would be pure right from the start.
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KageNoAbisu said:
First off, all the brains in Sybil are the brains of the CRIMINALLY ASYMPTOMATIC. Why the heck would the collective CC be 300?

Yes, I was wondering the same thing.

KageNoAbisu said:
And even if that were the case, all the judgements of the Dominator must go through Sybil first. So they would never judge themselves as 300. Their number and psycho-pass would be pure right from the start.

The only possibility is that Sybil manipulated its own CC so that it would be 0 (which doesn't sound right either). In fact, didn't Kasei, the Director, manipulate the reading of the Dominator or Kougami's CC so that Ginoza would kill him instead of paralizing him, in Season 1?
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Dammit! What the hell is it going to take to destroy the Sibyl System?!

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KageNoAbisu said:
First off, all the brains in Sybil are the brains of the CRIMINALLY ASYMPTOMATIC. Why the heck would the collective CC be 300?

Yes, I was wondering the same thing.

KageNoAbisu said:
And even if that were the case, all the judgements of the Dominator must go through Sybil first. So they would never judge themselves as 300. Their number and psycho-pass would be pure right from the start.

The only possibility is that Sybil manipulated its own CC so that it would be 0 (which doesn't sound right either). In fact, didn't Kasei, the Director, manipulate the reading of the Dominator or Kougami's CC so that Ginoza would kill him instead of paralizing him, in Season 1?

Yeah, what I'm saying is that Sybil determines all CCs, so that would include their own. Why would they make their own number 300 in the first place?
Also, yes ,Kasei (being part of Sybil) was able to manipulate the Dominator both in order to kill Kagari and to try and get Ginoza to kill Kou (or she could have communicated with Sybil to do that, etc., but it's technically the same thing).
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Ratohnhaketon said:
particularly the omnipotence paradox
the omnipoence paradox was a pretentious attempt by the writer to make s2 look less shallow than it actually is.
it doesn't actually apply to anything in the show, it just lampshades how whomever decided to put that in has no idea what a paradox is, or that Akane is kind of dumb (as if ep7, 2, 6 and 8 weren't already enough).

kinda annoying how you can just throw fancy words at people and they'll buy whatever nonsense you're spouting, season1 did the same but at least not on the main point, and s1's pretentious bullshit required more than half a second of questioning for it to fall apart, heck you just have to google it.
I'm all ears if you can provide specific examples supporting those claims. Just fair warning that you can't use Google on this one, since it requires critical thinking and application of connecting the dots.
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I'm all ears if you can provide specific examples supporting those claims.

It's very simple why the omnipotence paradox has nothing to do with anything.It's because nobody in the universe of this show is omnipotent.

The whole talking about the Devil's Proof was also a waste of time,because we already know that Kamui is real ,and so do the characters in the anime just a few episodes later.

While we at it,what's the point of collective Psycho-Pass,except to judge people like Kamui,whos backstory made no sense anyway?
In what senario is judging people collectively better than individually?
Because I can't think of a single one.
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Just fair warning that you can't use Google on this one, since it requires critical thinking and application of connecting the dots.

Don't make me laugh.If you are doing that you are putting more effort into it than the writer did.
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Dunno why, but this season just didn't really compel me to watch it like the first season did. I just wasn't all that interested in the plot...i felt like the whole "What color am I?" catch phrase was a bit of a cliche....Kamui's backstory was to me immensely bland and also a bit of a cliche...I don't really know what to say...but the first season grabbed me by the balls from the very start, this...not so much...


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I'm all ears if you can provide specific examples supporting those claims. Just fair warning that you can't use Google on this one, since it requires critical thinking and application of connecting the dots.
examples of what? the omnipotence paradox not working?
it's simply not how an omnipotence paradox works, heck it's not how paradoxes work period, there's no self-contraddiction, he fact that the issue is created by a third entity (Kamui) makes it kind of impossible.

the main problem is the misunderstanding that CC scans and Sibyl are somehow the same entity, they aren't.
Sibyl is basically a supercomputer made of brains that gets data from the CC reader and runs it trough a specific algorithm which only admits a certain kind of input (because object-based programming is cancer), due to how complicated it is, there are some exceptions (CAs) tha get integrated inm the system not just to remove them from the possibly scan subjects (which is the "making he rock lighter" of the paradox bullshit) but because integrating them into the system gives it more power (not completely clear if it's just that CA brains are the only ones who can be allowed into the jars due to lack of empathy or if they are exceptions to the algorithm due to certain properties of their brain that then function as special ALUs in the system, thus making it able to scan what would've been a CA, which would explain how they managed to scan mommy Togane)

basically, Sibyl is a calculator, CC scan is square root, Makishima was a 2, Kamui is a banana.

if you want examples of Akane being retarded, just check the timeline on the official site
div1 sat on their asses with a potential CC helmets 2.0 thing on the loose for a week inbetween Aoyanagi killing bomberman and the barricade trainwreck, then another week went by with them just waiting for the drones to check the facility.
all of that time, nobody tried to cross reference their clues, because apparently we totalyneeded another badly directed action sequence

or that time she thought "someone gave bomberman something to fuck up his CC", investigated recordings, found out analyst would've been the only one able to do so, fucking asked him and went "oh, nvm then" when he said "nah, wasn't me".

or when she didn't shoot the boat, because she became batman somewhere inbetween s1 and s2

or when she thought the barricade was totally Kirito meaning to test dominators on inspectors (because when both the case's incidents have medicine as their common point, the answer is of course "cops" and "precog")

or when she thought forcing the authoritarian control freak she knows has problems with making summary judgements of people (which by the way almost never worked prorperly in s2) the ability to make summary judgement of multiple people at the same time was a great idea.

etc
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