Death Parade Episode 2 Discussion

Monad said:
Damn you people are twisted. Her cheating, or him getting them killed by being careless on the road is not valuable factors for judgment here.

What is being evaluated here is their soul. What kind of people they are.
So from that the woman proved to be a better person since she was willing to sacrifice herself so he could feel less guilt about killing their child.
On the other hand he was getting more and more paranoid and refusing to believe anything and started caring only about himself.

Also sorry but thinking that sleeping with some other guy is some big factor for eternal condemnation is ridiculous.
My question here is: Why does one have to go to the void or reincarnated? Or it doesn't? What if both were great people? What if both were completely horrible?
Also do they always have to play such games with two persons. What happens when one dies alone? Playing a game with a stranger that died alone somewhere else? there is no motive to show character there since he/she will have no feelings for the other person.

Anyway it seems that short woman has more experience than the bartender guy since despite the black haired girl figuring things he didn't the short woman seems to have seen even further than that.
Is not quite correct to leave him there doing the job if he still isn't very good at it.

So they are like soul judges. And they can see memories and that goes only for those with those weird eyes.

Tokoya said:

Rants were way too long to quote, so I'll just leave a link if anyone actually wants to read it:
Here you all go.

Tokoya said:
I'll start with the wife, YES she did cheat on her husband (Due to recent revelations it seems that maybe she cheated on him after they got married because if you look closely enough at the two bed scenes, the first that we see is of Takashi and Machiko in what looks to be a hotel room and he's laying down on the bed looking angry and suspicious while she's ignoring him and is on her phone. This suggests that they were probably just having a fight about her possibly cheating on him when in actuality those girls were talking about someone else and knowing this man's true nature, he showed the wife his true colours which in turn pisses her off (Because quite frankly both guys and girls tend to get annoyed when your spouse gets too clingy and demanding and accuses you of cheating over the slightest thing. The other bed scene is of the wife with another man and she appears to have on her wedding ring (This could go the other way around as well seeing as though people wear rings when they are engaged too. But traditionally the questing a day engagement rings are different)

L-Ryoshi said:

For the record, I have read through that persons entire article before answering. It was interesting, but by no means the absolute word of god.

Kay, lets get down to this.

If you actually thought to read through my posts prior to your "little discussion" with me, you would know that my disagreement with you was never about how the judgment was made. If you were really observant enough to follow your own suggestions of reading through back posts, you would have found it, but hey, I'm a nice guy and I'll link it to you:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1344419&show=320#msg37644823

My beef has and always has been your speculation regarding the two points that I made pretty much obvious in your past post, no more, no less:

1.) The wife was in no way the cause of their deaths.

Cause and effect, mate. Cause and effect. I'm not talking about purely the point of accident. That view is seriously way too narrow. I'm talking about the events prior to it all leading up to the accident. Granted you may say that he was the sole cause of it through his jealousy. But even up to now there are things that have not been made clear in this show, even though you seem to think they obviously have.

First off:


For ease of reference, I included screencaps of the show with times to show which scenes went first.
Episode 1 - First bed scene (Wifey in the forefront)
Episode 1 - Second bed scene (Wifey in the back)

The scene does not imply that a fight had occurred.
Takashi has his back turned away from her, yes. She is on the phone yes, but your entire speculation of a fight occurring is just that, purely your own speculation. She in the picture does not look at all upset, which would have been the case had they been fighting. Background soundtrack does not indicate her crying or anything. His face shows he is suspicious of who she is texting, but there were NO SIGNS that a fight had occurred.

Remember the timeline of things:
He got wind of the affair (or supposed affair if you believe her words about it being someone else) when the girls in the bathroom were talking about it AFTER the ceremony, they'd just finished cutting the cake, bedroom scene and then the car accident. If anything, the scene would indicate the night before they went on, or even during the course of, their honeymoon (the luggage in the background pretty much hints at this) . If the fight had occurred then, as you said, then the wifey would have had absolutely no chance to cheat immediately before or during said trip, now would she?

Also, there were no indications that they were on bad terms in the car. He asked her questions, she shadily replied back, but there were no indications of a fight or even the silent treatment which you would associate with after a fight. Nothing indicated that she believed he didn't trust her (which he didn't) until he took off ONE HAND from the steering wheel to try snatching her phone.
Oh wait up, were YOU the one who gave me three paragraphs of grief over someone being stupid enough to take BOTH HANDS off the wheel? I went through that same sequence several times, NOT ONCE did dear Husbando not have either one or both hands on the wheel. Either you wanted to garner more sensationalism in your post to make people feel like he was totally in the wrong, or can I assume you were just trolling about it, eh? Replay much?

Personally I had been bent on the idea of the affair occurring after the wedding. However, I must admit that my discussion with you actually put some doubt in my head regarding this, specially pertaining to my knowledge that it is highly uncommon for Japanese folk to wear wedding bands, much less engagement rings, in public as they tend not to want to publicize their marital status. The ring worn there would then probably be a nod to foreign anime viewers for easier deduction of the facts. However, given the timeline I explained above, it does not bode well for my initial opinion of the affair occurring after the wedding (simply because the flashbacks don't cater for it). I had to concede that there was that possibility that the affair had occurred before the wedding, indicating the fact that Machiko had indeed cheated before the wedding, and that her "friends" had indeed been talking about her.

The second episode elaborates on this.
Screen caps below indicate the rules of engagement which None explained to Onna, by order:
01. (a)(b) Basically Judgement is passed onto the dead based on BOTH their life memories and the extent of their humanity during the games. No indication on how they weigh both of these criteria, we can only speculate.
02. The memories of the dead are compiled and sent to the arbiters

This means that the arbiters are granted the memories of the dead, that being Decim and Nona. As an assistant, Onna does not have said memories, leading to anything that she says being pure speculation. Exactly who was it that said that the cheating was a one-time thing? Why Onna of course, because she was using her woman's intuition regarding how Machiko was acting during the course of the game. Why is this important? Why because....

03. Surprise, surprise, apparently the shock of their deaths jogs their noggins and they completely forget about their deaths and all the memories ASSOCIATED WITH their deaths. Those memories of course will come back to them during the course of the game, BUT, oh wow, they don't know what they will remember

Why do I have to go through all the rules here? Its simple, because of the following that was said from Wifey to Husbando in Episode 1:

So what context did this affirmation come up? It was directly after dear Husbando received a jolt in his memories AFTER he released his last dart (which hit her stomach by the way) and accused dear Wifey of cheating by revealing that he remembered THAT conversation he overheard from her friends. At this point in time it had already been revealed that she was with child.

There could only be two explanations regarding why she would say such a thing.
a.) Her memories of her cheating had not come back at that point in time, indicating that indeed that those memories were in fact related to their deaths, as I have so explicitly stated.
b.) That she had retained said memories of her own infidelity, which I am now assuming had happened during the engagement and not after their wedding. If such was the case then you might say that the cheating had nothing to do with her death. However, given Cause and Effect, I would disagree. She was still hiding it from her husband, be it out of guilt or whatever. Given a lack of motive for her to cheat at this point in time (Dear Husbando hadn't shown his jealous side, remember), this situation with the cheating could not be explained other than the story which she fabricated for "Matchy", being the ex-boyfriend not letting go.
Still, it doesn't bode well for the Arbiters character judgement of her, since all of this stuff counts towards her final verdict.

[She cheats, her friends find out and blab about it, Husband overhears about her exploits and becomes jealous/suspicious after the wedding and before the honeymoon, causes accident because of the phone incident. Yep, all events still link up]

Regardless, be it either reason, that statement she made was simply untrue. Either she's a lying minx or she didn't recall it at that moment in time. Either way, it either indicates something wrong with her character (which I hadn't though of before making this post) or links the incident to their deaths. Thus, the exact points I've been making from the get-go.

I won't even bother discussing whether the Wifey's "Human Nature" was better or worse than the Husbando's. If you go back to my link above, you'll be able to actually read what I thought about it from the get-go. My opinion really hadn't changed much from that post. Despite the additional information that came up after my n'th review that makes me doubt her character just that much more, I'm still positive the Wifey got the short end of the stick.

For further proof, the scene before the credits in episode 2:
Nona was reflecting on the Husbando's memories, specifically THIS ONE in the lift and said "That was not just a simple misunderstanding".

Now given that Nona also has access to all of their memories, and coupled with the fact that, as you yourself has so indicated, that it seems they made every single scene symbolic, why in the world would THAT SCENE be the one that comes to mind which makes her say those words? Random? I think not.

Then immediately after she exits the lift, she goes about with the following words:
"Actually I take that back"
"She has a way to go"

I think the implication that Nona's opinion of Onna's judgment on this matter aren't exactly praiseworthy after reviewing all the fact is pretty much the biggest indication here. That she made a mistake in berating Decim's judgment due to Onna's input would no doubt get her pissed about what happened.

In the end, Decim may have made a mistake regarding the verdict by weighing their humanity shown in the games incorrectly, but it does not mean that the final verdict was an incorrect one, since they base their verdict on EVERYTHING, the before AND the after. Nor does it indicate that my base opinion was incorrect. Cause and effect, she had equal standing in the cause of their deaths.

If you've taken history, you should understand at least that much. Hundreds of thousands of people died in the World Wars, do they state in the history books that it simply because "the enemy shot them dead"?
Of course friggin' NOT. They go all the way back to exactly why the Wars started (like an assassination of royalty, social outrage, monetary necessity, etc.) and build it up from there. Thousands of people died because someone started that war. Cause and Effect.

Cause and effect. Wifey Cheated, Husband's nature got the best of him. Sure he caused the accident by trying to take the phone off his wife and ignoring the road, but by no means was he the sole cause of their deaths.

As for forgiveness, I wasn't even going to mention it, but since you brought it up:

Forgiveness wasn't asked for in any part of the two episodes of the show. Apart from Decim's flashback of her "remorseful" hidden face, was it shown in any part of the two anime episodes that she was remorseful or had asked for forgiveness, or even owned up to her own fuck up? I said it once, I will say it again: You can still try looking for a solution to fix your fuck ups even after owning up to your fuck ups.
What exactly does it say about her character? Does THIS SCREENCAP even indicate to anyone in the slightest that she is remorseful? Are there tears streaming down her face? That face could be used to describe many other emotions apart from remorse (if I am to be crude, maybe the lover banged her too hard. You never know). The only reason why Decim did nothing to correct Onna's assumptions about the Wifey was simply because it seems that Decim has no concept of "emotions", so proven when he has difficulty in comprehending the concept of "Love". All Decim has are her memories, which confirmed her whole "I cheated, so what, fuck you and good riddance" speech.

Say what you want, like "what kind of sick individual would think such a pained expression wasn't a sign of guilt and remorse".
Well let me ask you, what kind of sick individual would:
(a) Go cheat on the newly-wed, so-called love of her life after a fight RIGHT AFTER THEIR WEDDING BUT BEFORE THEIR HONEYMOON (assuming they did fight AND she had time to do those things)? or,
(b) Go cheat on the newly-wed, so-called love of her life (assuming they didn't fight, hence no knowledge of dark nature)? or even;
(c) Go cheat on the so-called love of her life who just proposed to her (assuming it was before the marriage and given that she didn't know his dark nature back then)?
.... and Still not be weighed down by the burden of her guilt, so much so that she could just happily stay silent about everything during her honeymoon, and even DENY IT up until the moment she realized nothing mattered since they were ALREADY DEAD?


Wifey Cheated, kept silent about it and even denied having an affair until the very end of her judgment when she was practically forced to admit it (be it out of love or whatever, I don't know), says a lot about her character now doesn't it?

Her own words, Episode one, despite the imminent admission of guilt (that were later proven by the cheating flashback AND Decim's conversation with Nona and Onna in episode 2):


Don't think things are as clear-cut and spoon fed as you're trying to make them out to be, mate. Otherwise there wouldn't be so much discussion on this show and the viewers wouldn't be enjoying it as much.

If you're smart enough, then you should understand. Basing your argument on other peoples analysis without going through the entirety of things yourself with another perspective is a no-no. So too is missing the point in an debate or discussion. I'm assuming you are in college or university already right?

By the way, lay off with the pseudo-tough guy taunts. I've got access to the same visuals as you and everyone else. They're all here for you to analyse, no filter.

Talk to the hand "my nigger", talk to the hand.

ReaperCreeper said:
It really feels good to have confirmation that the last episode wasn't just, "hurdur cheating bitch got what she deserved." If that's what you thought it was, congrats you're an idiot who took it all at face value. Do yourself a favour and drop it now so your ego doesn't get bruised any further.

Tokoya said:
@L-Ryoshi and the other guy that seemed to just copy and pasted what you said?

I dunno what kind of fantasy world that you live in but its his fault no matter which as way you put it because a driver he failed miserably. He is in control of the car, he is expected to know much better than to take his attention off of the road. It doesn't matter why he did it, what matters is that he was foolish enough to do it in the first place. It's called "Reckless Driving", look it up. That's like blaming the alcohol for someone driving while drunk.

Also I can cleary see that you have strong and uptight moral values because everything you say reaks of bias towards the man. Also by your logic A cheater = The devil/The ultimate sin.....You clearly didn't understand the episode because you literally took things for face value and completely missed the point of episode 2

If Decimgot it right like you claim he did then why did admit that he got it all wrong. Why was Nona impressed by what the assistant said? Because like Nona said, Decim does not understand human nature and emotion as well as he thinks he does. And don't come with that "Woman's intuition" crap, anyone with eyes could have seen that the wife was lying at the end with her outburst. It was literally THAT obvious. And no, the reason why Nona said that the assistant needs work is because the assistant thought that if he.never found out about the affair, they would have been happy together which then Nona disagreed with by saying that it was inevitable because he would never find happiness.

This show is about human nature and the inner workings of the soul itself. You cannot reject who you are.

To prove how you're biased, you do you realize that the only bad thing that she did was cheat on him. And when you compare that to what I mentioned that he did during the game pre memories i.e. put himself over his wife, attempted double murder (Remember he stole her last dart from her which theoretically would be unfair and against the rules in an actual game) etc, how does the former outweigh the latter? By your logic cheating on your spouse is soooooo evil that it's comparable to deeds performed by someone like Adolf Hitler *derp* Cheating is a terrible thing to do someone but you are extremely over exaggerating the fault itself. And yeah let's just disregard the undeniably proof of how the husband was worse than she was.....She is definitely the bad person

Like I said, most people who truly love each other would find some way to work things out. She was willing to whereas he just wanted to kill her right then and there (Hence why Decim had to tie him up)...Cheating isn't something that you'd kill someone over, that is just stupid



(Also it's major speculation in your part that this anime event takes place in Japan and that the couple are big on Japanese customs because traditionally, the husband and wife doesn't wear a tuxedo and a wedding dress respectively but that typical type of clothing - I dunno what you'd call them, Yukata's? Moreover, she was wearing the exact same ring that she got on her wedding day while she was cheating on him with that other guy so it WAS after the wedding)

Anyway, to close, the point of this episode was to show their true nature/the inner workings of their soul and it did. Machiko's sin was that she cheated on her husband but we found out that she truly loved him and her love was so powerful that she even gave up both her and their child's soul for his just to save him - her true nature. The husband like I said was vindictive, selfish, psychotic and murderous etc. He should have been the one sent to the void. End of story

P.S. 1. I didn't know that DP was a hentai where you have over exaggerated emotions being displayed by the female. "Crying because the guy banged her too hard". LMFAO.....No...Just no xD

2. "Talk to the hand my *nigger*". That is incredibly racist and if you had any ounces of social grace of any kind you'd realize that. That shit can get you killed around the wrong kind of people. Think before you act bruh

3. The point of my argument was to show why the woman should not have been sent to the void. My argument on why he cheated is speculation but it's taking into account what we know about said characters souls/nature. I simply pointed out the foreshadowing in episode 1 in an attempt to make you see it yourself. And no I didn't steal anything from any other poster, I came to these conclusion on my own and quite frankly the anime itself confirmed it for us. I provided the article because it was more convenient for me since it pretty much said what I've been saying all along

Tokoya said:
As the other guy said, stop direct quoting me, it's flooding the thread. I figured you'd have caught on by now since I stopped.....

Anyway that whole racist thing was just me giving you a heads up (Personally I don't give a shit if you do it) because there's a difference between *nigga* and "nigger". Also when you say things like "The husband didn't kill them" how can anyone not point out how stupid and cringe worthy that notion is =/

Wow, lying is so evil, everyone who lies should go to hell....By that logic majority of the people in the world are going to hell *derp*. That fact that you refuse to accept that she had remorse for what she's done is all the proof that I need to show just how biased you really are lol.
http://randomc.net/image/Death%20Parade/Death%20Parade%20-%2001%20-%20Large%2033.jpg

You're right, this is definitely the reaction of someone who is proud of cheating and has no remorse

http://randomc.net/image/Death%20Parade/Death%20Parade%20-%2001%20-%20Large%2026.jpg

The emphasis on her face and voice acting here were without a doubt an obvious indication that she truly didn't love him and that this whole scene was a huge farce....Good find

http://randomc.net/image/Death%20Parade/Death%20Parade%20-%2002%20-%2026.jpg

Yup she definitely doesn't have a look of regret on her face, that guy really did bang her to pieces

*facepalm*

Remember when Nona said "Happy"? Well she was referring to this scene here which is when the assistant made the claim about them being happy. That flashback you're referring to was the same one that Decim had right before he said it. My point still stands (Not that you can deny it anyway)
http://i58.tinypic.com/kdk2v8.png

And you're misinterpreting the game now lol. The point of game is get them to show their true nature so that they can know who's soul is worthy of reincarnation. The use of memories (Particularly the ones related to their deaths) is to bring their true natures to light. If their memories alone were enough then there would be no point in the game. Like they said, human beings a unpredictable and you can never take things by face value like what Decim did. But in order to do this job correctly you have to understand human nature itself, hence why the assistant is there.

Murder is murder, being vindictive is being vindictive. Like I said, I dunno what kind of fantasy world it is that you live in but double attempted murder (Tried to do it twice even)>>>> Cheating. That's my criteria.

Okay? And?

Tokoya said:
Remember when Nona said "Happy"? Well she was referring to this scene here which is when the assistant made the claim about them being happy. That flashback you're referring to was the same one that Decim had right before he said it. My point still stands (Not that you can deny it anyway)
http://i58.tinypic.com/kdk2v8.png

marriage said:
I hope they dont continue creating recaps after each game episode

Tokoya said:
Clearly you have interpretation problems. The moderator pretty much told us to stop with the long quotes and you still did it.....

You're hopeless man, I've wasted too much time trying to get you to open your eyes and it's not worth it anymore

>Comparing cheaters to rapists and murderers
>TOP LEL

Also you can't compare a car to a plane or a ship seeing as though the mechanics and factors behind said forms of transportation are very different. That's like comparing Beer with Orange Juice....Seeing your arguments collapse on itself is amusing xD

Also, here you go seeing what you want to see and mixing up what I say again. I said that he tried to kill her and their innocent child during the game which in itself is attempted murder. He tried to do it twice (Three times if I include when he intentionally hit her organs before they gained their memories - What a loving and caring husband). As I stated before, attempting to kill someone for cheating is retarded and only a psychopath would attempt to do something as radical as that -

I am so done with this shit lol. Believe whatever you want to believe

P.S. My links do work actually....Making excuses and false accusations now are we? How cute :3

I also like how you're assuming that I'm white and racist lol. Funny stuff xD Acting innocent? Did you miss the part where I pointed out your own stupidity as well lol?

Anywho, good day to you sir, I'm done for real this time lel

ziggy_Z said:
Dafuq's going on here?

ziggy_Z said:
Dafuq's going on here?

matias067 said:

recaps are quite useful in order to NOT have plot-holes. cuz they explain almost everything if not all.

L-Ryoshi said:


No worries mate, go back and read up on the last two pages.
Dear Toko has been acting all high and mighty because he thinks that he's cool and that his analysis of the two episodes is "spot on", whilst being unable to explain the discrepancies which I have pointed out, analysed and screencapped.



For the record Toko, I don't really think I know about your life or characteristics, frankly, I can't really give a fuck. Why, because the posts which you have made, plus all the questions I've posed which you have left unanswered leave me unable to believe that you actually have the capability to analyse the show fairly. You claim bias, yet you are biased towards your own opinion without even considering what others are saying. You're sounding more and more like a troll really. I feel sorry I actually took you seriously now.

It's funny you should mention face value, so does the fact that I see that the wifey got the short end of the stick mean I see things at face value? I'm pretty sure your opinion was the same. So does that mean that you support the outcome of the decision Decim made?

Cause and effect. Had the wifey not cheated, the husband wouldn't have found out through shady friends and thus would not have suspected wifey. No attempt at reaching for the phone in the car would have occurred and thus no accident, no dead couple. End of story. Or are you saying that if the cheating had not occurred that the wifey's friend would still be busting her behind her back?

Learn to read all the posts before you make a judgement, Bruh.

And again, I thought you left. Already back because you can't take being called a racist? Tell that to my distinctly non-"Murican" foot, will ya.

Tokoya said:
Calls me a racist and accuses me of trying to "act cool" (On the Internet lel) and full of myself and then denies it when he is put on the spot yet again Asked me to explain the situation and when I did you throw more red herrings and say that I didn't

Hypocrisy at its finest....

Don't try and change your argument now that you possibly realize that you're wrong all along. This entire argument is over the fact that you think that her faults outweighs his and that she is the reason why they died which is not the case. All your analysis showed that you completely missed the point of the two episodes as well as this discussion. You didn't counter anything, all you do is go around throwing red herrings everywhere, using repetitive arguments and bad false analogies to try and prove a point that you never had from the get go.

This episode already proved that even if she didn't cheat that man would have never found happiness because that's his true nature as I've pointed out many times. That's the point of this series, to explore the inner workings of human nature/the soul.

That one dude who posted on the page before was kinda spot on actually, this series can be seen as a Psycho Pass S3 of some sorts lol

You are the one who is unable to read in between the lines and analyze what's in front of you. Any discussion on these events became void as soon as the episode explained this all to us. That's why some people didn't like this episode much, it killed any further discussion by holding our hands and spoon feeding the answers to us. There is no ifs and buts, what happened happened and it was inevitable

If we had this discussion before episode 2 aired then I would have taken you seriously, but the fact is that this episode proved you wrong whether you like and will admit it or not.

I'm seriously done this time, but the reason why I didn't stop is because you calling me a racist amongst other things were just too funny that I couldn't just not say anything xD

ziggy_Z said:
Dafuq's going on here?

Tokoya said:
To save you the trouble of reading all of that, I'll provide an example of the "discrepancies" that his flawless reasoning and interpretation skills has brought to light

http://imgur.com/eKAzW3F

His top notch analytical skills came to the conclusion that this is not a look of remorse and regret but that of a person who has been [I]fucked too hard[/I] and is simply tired because of it - His words.....Literally

I have been enlightened XD

Tokoya said:

Nigga are you daft?

I'm assuming that you're murican since you brought up something about the country before. You of all people should know that it is illegal to be on a phone while you're driving. That's the first fuck up. Why you ask? Because that shit can get you in an accident whereas you can possibly die or thrown in jail (Which he would have been if he lived)

Secondly, they were driving quite fast on a highway . Who in their right mind would risk what I said just now take their hands completely off of the wheel to go grab a fucking phone to read a text -_- A fucking maniac that's who. Any person with an ounce of common sense would stop the car first then go ahead to get mad.

L-Ryoshi said:

By your standards, we could also say that she attempted to kill him ONCE, since that first dart she threw was also intentional. Yes, what a loving and caring wife, eh? But I digress since it's just your opinion after all.

InstaKiller said:
I was scrolling and i pick up this


Are you for real now?
Did that look intentional to you?
You need to rematch the episode buddy.

Tokoya said:

Also, here you go seeing what you want to see and mixing up what I say again. I said that he tried to kill her and their innocent child during the game which in itself is attempted murder. He tried to do it twice (Three times if I include when he intentionally hit her organs before they gained their memories - What a loving and caring husband). As I stated before, attempting to kill someone for cheating is retarded and only a psychopath would attempt to do something as radical as that -

InstaKiller said:
I was scrolling and i pick up this


Are you for real now?
Did that look intentional to you?
You need to rematch the episode buddy.

Tokoya said:
Sigh, didn't know that you were both Ryoshi
and Ziggy (Really now?)

Those red herrings and misinterpretations that I mentioned are your little questions. If you understood (And watched) the episode/anything I said you can answer these for yourself hence why I didn't bother answering but since you're pretty daft I'll do it just so you can stop barking

1. This scene was when he accused her of cheating on him before they got married. It's already been established that she cheated on him after they got married as I pointed out already. The person that the girls in the bathroom were talking about the girl they haven't seen in a long time that you've seem to forgot about. She was telling the truth in that instance but at the same time she wasn't

2. Her apologizing was pointless because upon regaining their memories she realized that they were already dead so essentially she realized that one of them was going to hell and the other would "live" (Reincarnation and the void for this series ). Not only did the husband display many actions worthy of getting sent to the void numerous times, but he also lost the game (Which they always had the mindset of "The loser is screwed". So it wouldn't have done any good

3. In regards to remorse, I only referred after to it for two cases. The first was when Decim tied up the man after he attempted to kill his wife yet again, she was on the floor covering her face while crying (It was one of those image links provided by myself that you claimed were broken). That scene showed her remorse and at the same time confirmed even further that her outburst was a farce because who breaks down and cries after theatrics such as that? If she didn't care about him and had no remorse she would have maintained that look of pride selfishness on her face and would have been smiling and or laughing.

The second was during the scene when she cheated. And it's pretty pathetic how you're practically denying that you said

In case you want to question if she loved him she did because

1. She willingly gave up her soul for him despite everything that he did and said (He tried to kill her twice)

2. Throughout the entire game she never intentionally hit one of his organs

3. She lied about the child not being his so that he wouldn't have to suffer even more knowing that he killed his child

You do realize that my "rant" about the car still stands right? XD Oh wow "he still had one hand on the wheel so that kills my argument" That still doesn't disregard the fact that he still took a hand off of it and took his eyes off the road to go and grab and look at a phone buddy. You just dragged yourself even more in the corner with this.

Oh yeah I didn't bother restating yet again how he tried to kill her.....But fuck it, I'm gonna get all of this out of the way once and for all

1. The first time was when he first showcased how selfish he was by nature and how he was an unfit husband/partner. This was before they got their memories back btw. I'm referring to the scene after they both agreed to keep on missing whereas upon it being his turn again he remembered the doll room (Which they both believed to be a room full of humans) and it made him further believed that the loser would die and end up like that. He then realized that his score was lower so if it continued like this, he would have lost so he intentionally threw the dart on the board in attempt to make her score lower and then lied about it being intentional. This shows that he is an unfit husband because the man always puts his lady before him in every aspect of life because he is the protector but in this case he did the opposite threw her under the bus even if it was on a whim.

2. The second time was when he remembered the bathroom scene through which he then stole his wife's dart and was going to condemn her to what they still both believed to be death upon losing. - Someone cheating on you does not give you the right to or justify killing that said person

3. The third time was after the wife's outburst where he went full psycho, took the darts off of the wall and tried to kill her with them - I repeat, someone cheating on you and looking down on you does not give you the right to kill them nor can it be justified

I'm pretty sure I explained all of this already

To end, when did I ever say that the wife was a saint? Did I not state many times that her cheating was "wrong" and a "terrible thing to do to someone". I remember you being there too *rollseyes* What I was doing was showing you WHY her cheating didn't outweigh what the man did. You WERE constantly showing bias by defending the man. You blamed the wife for crashing the car, you completely ignored his true self and to top it all off you yourself said that the wife had no remorse and didn't love her husband when clearly she did. Throughout this entire argument the only " new" things you did were presenting false analogies one by one, and accusing me of being racist with baseless examples.

I already know that you live in a fantasy world IRL but do you even Internet? Where have your been in all.of 2014 lol tons of people say Murican. Also, in this day and age (and ever more increasing on the interwebs), everyone says "nigga" *Nig-guh* now. Where I'm from we use it a lot (I'm black, and if you know anything about black people you should know how we use the word). I never called you a racist, I just said to bot say "nigger" *Nig-ger* (Emphasis oh the er) because it's fundamentally different from "nigga". Nigga is essentially slang now (More commonly on the internet) whereas nigger is the exact same racial slur used by the "white oppressor/Actual racists" ever since the time if slavery. Get it now? Never say or simply use the word "nigger" in any way or form

Also this is the Internet...Why would I care if anyone on here thinks that I'm cool or not of even bother trying to do that? That's like this whole cyber bullying thing, how the fuck are you gonna let someone sitting in front of a computer, someone that doesn't even know you hurt your feelings -_- I don't even care about these things in person, it's all superficial and I don't give a rats ass about other people's opinions about me, that's for people with low self esteem issues like the husband in this anime lol.

P.S. Me mentioning your fuck too hard claim was just me summarizing the accuracy of your interpretations. I already went in depth on everything you said. I just saved he/she the trouble of having to read it. And stop piggy backing off of lines, be original pls kthnxbai

New episode is tomorrow and I got stuff to do tonight so this is truthfully it from me unless we get in another discussion over the events in episode 3.

L-Ryoshi said:

For ease of reference, I included screencaps of the show with times to show which scenes went first.
Episode 1 - First bed scene (Wifey in the forefront)
Episode 1 - Second bed scene (Wifey in the back)

The scene does not imply that a fight had occurred.
Takashi has his back turned away from her, yes. She is on the phone yes, but your entire speculation of a fight occurring is just that, purely your own speculation. She in the picture does not look at all upset, which would have been the case had they been fighting. Background soundtrack does not indicate her crying or anything. His face shows he is suspicious of who she is texting, but there were NO SIGNS that a fight had occurred.

Remember the timeline of things:
He got wind of the affair (or supposed affair if you believe her words about it being someone else) when the girls in the bathroom were talking about it AFTER the ceremony, they'd just finished cutting the cake, bedroom scene and then the car accident. If anything, the scene would indicate the night before they went on, or even during the course of, their honeymoon (the luggage in the background pretty much hints at this) . If the fight had occurred then, as you said, then the wifey would have had absolutely no chance to cheat immediately before or during said trip, now would she?

Also, there were no indications that they were on bad terms in the car. He asked her questions, she shadily replied back, but there were no indications of a fight or even the silent treatment which you would associate with after a fight. Nothing indicated that she believed he didn't trust her (which he didn't) until he took off ONE HAND from the steering wheel to try snatching her phone.

Tokoya said:
@Everyone else, I answer his questions/explained how the wife was remorseful as well as provide images for those scenes on the previous page and my opponents response is that "I'm a troll"

> Says the wife didn't cheat after the wedding
> Wife is seen wearing the exact same wedding ring in the other man's bed

"Wifey" is better than the husband - My point all along
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Tokoya said:
For anyone interested please refer to my second to last post to see the analysis for said images that Ryoshi claims I didn't do

ziggy_Z said:
I don't want to give my two cents on this heated battle, but I'd just like to point out that I'm my own man.

LauraBirdie said:
So is it possible for both "contestants" to be reincarnated or sent to the void?

I hope the rest of the show is not about proving Decim wrong every single time :P