NicoHolmes said: Let's all circle jerk over how awful moeshit is despite never stopping to watch it & having biases towards all character driven storytelling regardless. Omg keystrokes @ Cowboy Bebop tho.here we go again why moe is cancer starring pseudointellectual as hater and backseat philosopher as hater's butt buddy :) :) :) |
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| Agreed, those elements cause non anime viewers to have negative preconceived notions about the entire medium. |
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Okashi_sama said: Working_Designs said: Does the Idolmaster Anime do a decent job of focusing on the music? Because I remember wanting to watch "K-on" years ago, but I didn't, because somebody told me that the music takes a "back seat," and the show spends most of its time focusing on the girls acting dumb and cutesy. Yes. of course it has some SoL moments and episodes, which are like 20% of it. but the bigger focus is on the music, the characters in the idol industry, and their success/failure, hardships.. etc etc Well then, perhaps I'll give The Idolm@aster Anime a try. Thanks for letting me know! |
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DrGeroCreation said: Agreed, those elements cause non anime viewers to have negative preconceived notions about the entire medium. who cares about the unenlightened people? |
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deanzel said: All anime need plot bruh.   These gifs made my day... Kuro and Ilya <3!! |
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| I think a LOT more people would actually have to watch/know about anime for your complaint to even register, and frankly anime is a niche hobby and hardly anyone does. |
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Cakedog said: And I'll happily humor you if you can point me to a place where I've spouted any of that to someone who shows disinterest in moe-centric anime.Ratohnhaketon said: Let's all circle jerk over how awful moeshit is despite never stopping to watch it I never got this argument. It never made sense and never will. People don't watch it BECAUSE it's "moeshet". People who watch it all the time act like people who dislike it have never seen a single one. Some have seen dozens, some even torture themselves by watching it so they can prove a point. But then the very same people who do watch and enjoy these kind of anime (for obvious reasons) go on to say, "if you don't like it why do you watch it?" when the people who don't like it criticize their anime. They're the very same people who point out that people who don't watch it won't understand it. SMFH Intelligence levels are at an all-time low. Intelligence? It's not very intelligent to "torture themselves by watching it so they can prove a point." What point is that? That they don't enjoy overly cutesy art styles? Bravo. What a brilliant display of intellect and discernment. Woah dude, I'm so stupid for wasting my time watching shows I enjoy as opposed to nitpicking so that my self fulfilling prophecy can be reaffirmed. Instead of nay-sayers simply admitting that moe centric shows don't interest them, it seems like many have to go out of their way to spite it by throwing down inaccurate sweeping generalizations such as "moe shit killing the industry", "moe trash replacing all the good shows", or "it's just otaku pandering and has 0 substance." Yet when faced with undeniable proof that these shows can indeed provide insightful themes and ideas, it's almost always met with disgruntled pride and bitter stubbornness. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Instead of nay-sayers simply admitting that moe centric shows don't interest them, it seems like many have to go out of their way to spite it by throwing down inaccurate sweeping generalizations such as "moe shit killing the industry", "moe trash replacing all the good shows", or "it's just otaku pandering and has 0 substance." Yet when faced with undeniable proof that these shows can indeed provide insightful themes and ideas, it's almost always met with disgruntled pride and bitter stubbornness. providing insightful ideas and themes means very little if you don't explore them. Even having any kind of message is already rare in the moe "genre". Most of the time it is indeed otaku pandering and has 0 substance. very rarely do they have something to say. moe will never be the go to place if you want those insightful themes that you speak of. |
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| The anime industry's fucked anyway. Who really gives a damn. |
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Bradherley said: Who really gives a damn? People who never buy BD |
Cnon said: NeoAnkara said: "Animes" No it's anime japanese has no plural form i think that was the "joke" :) |
Spurt said: Anime fans give anime a bad reputation. |
moonnya said: Bradherley said: Who really gives a damn? People who never buy BD Yeah, most people on MAL who complain about the state of anime are the ones not buying BDs, CDs, or Merchandise and think the anime they want will magically come. |
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| They're some of the warts preventing anime being recognized as a serious art form. Due to general western ignorance it's very easy to see shows like Fate/kaleid, Love Live and such and assume it's a medium that mostly panders to lowest common denominator loving retards. I can't really say I blame people for making such assumptions considering there's such a huge chunk of anime fans that are exactly that; the lowest common denominator. |
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Lyuze said: They're some of the warts preventing anime being recognized as a serious art form. Due to general western ignorance it's very easy to see shows like Fate/kaleid, Love Live and such and assume it's a medium that mostly panders to lowest common denominator loving retards. I can't really say I blame people for making such assumptions considering there's such a huge chunk of anime fans that are exactly that; the lowest common denominator. Yeah, it would be much better if society not only conformed to, but reverted back to, strict, taboo-based, moral standards. You know, the kind that restrict anything and everything outside the grasp of normalized social constructs. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
Journey_95 said: they can have their sick hentais (because disgusting stuff like this will never die out that much I know) but it should stay away from "normal" Anime just like it does with normal tv Shows You really think the ignorant normals will make that kind of distinction? Anime gets the "it's all Pokémon and porn" reputation because 1) The mass-market kids' stuff is common/popular enough that normals get exposed to it. 2) The porn shows up in ratings-driven news media because it's easy sensationalization fodder -- "look at these cartoons that have boobs and penises, this foreign filth is corrupting our children!" (either that, or normals come across "hentai" while browsing redtube/youporn/motherless/etc., and think, "this sex cartoon stuff is disgusting, I'm only opening clips of it in 8 tabs to fap to") Everything in the anime medium that falls between those extremes, no matter how high-quality, thought-provoking, or "respectable," gets ignored, because that's what ignorant normals do -- ignore stuff. Well that, and issue hypocritical tsk tsks at anime along the lines of "Anime fans who watch those crappy ultraviolent sexualized incest cartoons are sick in the head. Now who's up for some Game of Thrones?" Again, eliminating the loli/shota/incest/whatever wouldn't change anything, because the haters would just latch onto something else to call deviant. Heck, even the mainstream/old-guard anime press calls the characters in shows like Clannad and K-On! "children" and decries the sexualization of them, even when they're scarcely sexualized at all. Plus, the regrettable redefinition of pedophilia means that any anime depicting attractive female characters under the age of 20 or so will earn scorn from the mainstream comparable to what loli anime would garner. No doubt many anime fans would love to see all those schoolgirl anime eliminated, but they're ignoring an inconvenient truth: without the sales successes like Love Live!, -monogatari, and Prisma Illya to subsidize the failures like Fractale, From the New World, and Tokyo Magnitude 8.0, the industry is not going to survive in its present form and output. Face it: the open-minded otakus and the pervs actually buy anime and merchandise, but the snooty critics and aesthetes don't. |
| Lolicon/shotacon are unnecessary. Not sure what kind of sick pervert buy them. Unfortunately,sick pervert are contributing money to the industry. Lyuze said: They're some of the warts preventing anime being recognized as a serious art form. Due to general western ignorance it's very easy to see shows like Fate/kaleid, Love Live and such and assume it's a medium that mostly panders to lowest common denominator loving retards. I can't really say I blame people for making such assumptions considering there's such a huge chunk of anime fans that are exactly that; the lowest common denominator. Agree. Let's not forget about anime which contain incest vibe like OreImo,Mahouka which I wouldn't dare to watch in front of my family. Thanks to anime viewers being look down more than it already has. |
ZapredonJan 3, 2015 11:05 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Zalis said: Journey_95 said: they can have their sick hentais (because disgusting stuff like this will never die out that much I know) but it should stay away from "normal" Anime just like it does with normal tv Shows You really think the ignorant normals will make that kind of distinction? Anime gets the "it's all Pokémon and porn" reputation because 1) The mass-market kids' stuff is common/popular enough that normals get exposed to it. 2) The porn shows up in ratings-driven news media because it's easy sensationalization fodder -- "look at these cartoons that have boobs and penises, this foreign filth is corrupting our children!" (either that, or normals come across "hentai" while browsing redtube/youporn/motherless/etc., and think, "this sex cartoon stuff is disgusting, I'm only opening clips of it in 8 tabs to fap to") Everything in the anime medium that falls between those extremes, no matter how high-quality, thought-provoking, or "respectable," gets ignored, because that's what ignorant normals do -- ignore stuff. Well that, and issue hypocritical tsk tsks at anime along the lines of "Anime fans who watch those crappy ultraviolent sexualized incest cartoons are sick in the head. Now who's up for some Game of Thrones?" Again, eliminating the loli/shota/incest/whatever wouldn't change anything, because the haters would just latch onto something else to call deviant. Heck, even the mainstream/old-guard anime press calls the characters in shows like Clannad and K-On! "children" and decries the sexualization of them, even when they're scarcely sexualized at all. Plus, the regrettable redefinition of pedophilia means that any anime depicting attractive female characters under the age of 20 or so will earn scorn from the mainstream comparable to what loli anime would garner. No doubt many anime fans would love to see all those schoolgirl anime eliminated, but they're ignoring an inconvenient truth: without the sales successes like Love Live!, -monogatari, and Prisma Illya to subsidize the failures like Fractale, From the New World, and Tokyo Magnitude 8.0, the industry is not going to survive in its present form and output. Face it: the open-minded otakus and the pervs actually buy anime and merchandise, but the snooty critics and aesthetes don't. All of these petty issues could be mitigated if we lived in a generally less taboo-ridden, judgmental (or even sentimental) society. I'm not talking about us being wholly pragmatic nihilists, but I'm sick of senseless taboo dictating what 'we can and can't do.' Normalization is faux at best, and more realistically, it's the anchor holding back society from reaching greater heights past everyday civil disputes, like what anime is 'okay' |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
kyomi-san245 said: Fierce_Deity22 said: You my friend are right on the money. It's disqusting seeing these people defend lolis :/ Man who pissed in your cheerios? You seem incredibly angry over a little misconception. :/ This face : / looks incredibly angry to you mm okay. |
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| "You mean those filthy Chinese porn cartoons that pedophiles watch?"~ |
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| I think this type of stuff is, for the most part, overshadowed by the mainstream anime anyways so i wouldn't say it gives anime a bad rep. There are only a hand full of people who know how prevalent this type of stuff is in the medium who don't really watch anime. Reputation is directly proportional to popularity so i think we are fine at the moment. That doesn't mean i enjoy seeing this all of the time though. |
SpaceHamster said: Yeah, I'm pretty sure I will grow out of anime as I get older. I don't even play video games that much anymore as I used to. I guess its just the phases of life really. But I guess it would be pretty cool to see how many people as they grow older stay to the 'anime-tune' and when, if ever, do they get out of it. Don't be so sure. I myself thought I wouldn't watch anime once I grew out of my teens. For a couple years I didn't watch any anime at all. But now I'm 24 and I've come crawling back to it because anime offers stories that I can't find in any other form of media. |
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SpaceHamster said: Kalisto said: Don't be so sure. I myself thought I wouldn't watch anime once I grew out of my teens. For a couple years I didn't watch any anime at all. But now I'm 24 and I've come crawling back to it because anime offers stories that I can't find in any other form of media. Yeah there could be that bounce back for me, but since I'm not at that part in my life yet, I can't tell. As for this thread: Basing 'anime' on a 'criteria' is silly, since the same rule doesn't seem to apply to TV shows or Movies in general. Well what I meant is that it's not possible to find certain criteria in tv shows or movies. For example, anime like Fate/Zero or Pokemon would probably never be adapted live, because it would just be too silly and hard to pull off. Such as the trainwreck that the live DBZ adaption was... |
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| It looks shit. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Haven't heard of the SnK adaption(I'm very out of the loop.) But I imagine it will have to be heavily CG'd. It's just not humanly possible to do all those in-air acrobatics..lol I wish they'd focus their resources on doing an animated adaption, though! Would be much cooler. |
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kyomi-san245 said: Fierce_Deity22 said: This face : / looks incredibly angry to you mm okay. I was referring to the way you were wording you sentences, from what it seems anyone who disagrees and thinks differently than you is a sick freak to you. Whatever the reason getting angry and arguing about it on the forums isn't going to change anything. At that point you might as well just move to Japan and force their government to make stricter laws to make all this stuff illegal. Also this stuff pops up in other media not just anime. Just so you know from my experience the reason anime is looked down upon by many is either because the ignorant masses think liking it or anything Japanese related automatically makes you a weeboo, or they think it's all just fan-service and tentacle hentai crap. It's hardly every because of this. Let me clarify that I am not seeking hostility or think anyone is a sick freak for disagreeing with me. I am sorry it looks like angry text to you, but that is simply not the case. |
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X3blizzard said: ]^ exactly what this guy said, also anime will nvr become mainstream to the western world, anime will always remain a niche medium, I mean even Japanese people look down on anime viewers in their own country. anime is becoming mainstream for Japanese, the amount of high schoolers buying BDs and stuffs of late night anime is inreasing each year. For westerns, I think this is good. Westerns need to get bored of anime and find other entertainment, to leave anime back to its eastern self |
| What is giving anime a bad reputation is people making generalizations for such a broad medium. |
| If you generalize, you're wrong. |
moonnya said: If anime wants to go back to its "eastern self", it should cut out all of that fake English as well. Saying things like "shek-shi" & "gae-mu" is as Westaboo as it gets.X3blizzard said: ]^ exactly what this guy said, also anime will nvr become mainstream to the western world, anime will always remain a niche medium, I mean even Japanese people look down on anime viewers in their own country. anime is becoming mainstream for Japanese, the amount of high schoolers buying BDs and stuffs of late night anime is inreasing each year. For westerns, I think this is good. Westerns need to get bored of anime and find other entertainment, to leave anime back to its eastern self |
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| I don't think there is anything that could be possible about it however. In the event that one thing is acknowledged in a society (even energized culture...which checks) then others must be as well. Sadly, such thinking can prompt rebellion in any general public or society, in this manner if this continues going ahead to the fact of the matter that is past disgretion and acknowledgement, I apprehend what could happen to society by then. Obviously, I'm just utilizing liveliness in society as a little sample. Now, I genuinely ask you, "what's the distinction from banning shota/loli to banning whatever is left of this stuff?" Because think about this: If you are stating that an individual who likes shotacon and lolicon must be a real life pedophile, would you say you are stating then that individuals who watch crime TV shows about homicide also want to murder individuals when its all said and done and seen on TV? |
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sedmelluq said: What is giving anime a bad reputation is people making generalizations for such a broad medium. Definitely this. Like how people see modern music as utterly garbage, how people see animation is childish, how people see americans are fat, how people see gamers as virgins, etc. are just people seeing one thing and completely ignoring everything else. Anime is one of the most diverse mediums out there, maybe only second to books (Manga and comics included). |
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| dude someone could step on an ant in an anime and it would give anime a bad rep, theres gonna be haters in everything. |
Journey_95 said: What do you think? sure you can say that I don't have to watch it but the fact that it exists (not only in hentai but in "normal" Animes too) is a bad thing for Anime in general if you ask me Anime is such a great medium (some of them easily stand up to the popular tv Shows or movies in my opinion) but with crazy things like this they are dragged down I agree, but anime is a business like anything else and their main goal is to make money to keep the business afloat and make more anime. Sex sells, and a good percentage of the profits that pay their employees comes from perverts who want to fantasize about having sex with children and young teens. I think Japanese society is going downhill personally, but there's nothing we can do about it. |
1564 said: Journey_95 said: I'm with you and it's shocking how many People like this sick stuff What is wrong with liking cute things? People don't seem ashamed liking cats and there are plenty pics of them getting on reddit's front page. Why is liking cats for their cuteness alright but liking lolis for their cuteness sick? Liking cute things and wanting to put your dick into cute things are two completely different concepts. If you like the cute little girls for being cute, that's fine and dandy; there's absolutely nothing wrong with liking cute things. Liking the little girl because you want to have sex with it is not okay. |
X3blizzard said: Most viewer like lolis cause they are cute not because they want to stick their dicks into them, not sure bout japan tho There are sick people everywhere. Japanese are a it eccentric when compared to westerners just because we don't fully know their circumstances. Just please be careful with your sentences or you may contribute even more for the"bad image". |
Lyuze said: 1564 said: What is wrong with liking cute things? People don't seem ashamed liking cats and there are plenty pics of them getting on reddit's front page. Why is liking cats for their cuteness alright but liking lolis for their cuteness sick? Liking cute things and wanting to put your dick into cute things are two completely different concepts. If you like the cute little girls for being cute, that's fine and dandy; there's absolutely nothing wrong with liking cute things. Liking the little girl because you want to have sex with it is not okay. People want to stick their dick into paper? That's a weird fetish. |
Drunk_Samurai said: there are a lot weirder fetishes out there.Lyuze said: Liking cute things and wanting to put your dick into cute things are two completely different concepts. If you like the cute little girls for being cute, that's fine and dandy; there's absolutely nothing wrong with liking cute things. Liking the little girl because you want to have sex with it is not okay. People want to stick their dick into paper? That's a weird fetish. |
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| I see lolis and shotas in Anime, but not lolicons and shotacons. Is that perhaps what you meant? Because there's nothing wrong with that :S |
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