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Aug 23, 2014 6:44 PM
#251
fst said: Tommk said: Being Slaine is suffering Fixed. K |
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Aug 23, 2014 6:46 PM
#252
| Do you know what upset me the absolute most with this episode? What they did with Calm. The guy didn't like Martians, he was pretty damn vocal about it. He finds out that there's Martians on the ship and that he has to work with them. Oh boy, time for character development right? Tensions between the crew members concerning ideals? Showing what the effects on seeing your best friend and city you live in destroyed by the enemy can do to one's judgement? "lol she makes my dick hard martians r kewl yo" He's just a joke character now. I hate joke characters. I don't mind characters that are funny and joke around but they just flat out made this guy an archetype. I've given up any hope of any of Inaho's friends being developed at this point. And as others have said, Crutheo's personality took a complete 180 there. |
Aug 23, 2014 6:46 PM
#253
Sevenlore said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Fai said: Darklight0303 said: Wow the writer fucked up. They actually left him behind. IT has been very obvious that the writers fucked up way before this episode. Shit happens because its convenient. The way they handled slaine plot here is no different. Don't expect common sense from these characters until its time to finally advance the plot. Is 4 episodes to the season finale a good enough time? I'm still not sure about that. MAL is the only place that has this listed for 12 episodes He means that they should at least reach a "conclusion" at the end of the first cour. waiting until the second cour is too late already. Else, alot of people will never watch the second one. Yes, a lot... |
Aug 23, 2014 6:57 PM
#254
DPXJube said: Do you know what upset me the absolute most with this episode? What they did with Calm. The guy didn't like Martians, he was pretty damn vocal about it. He finds out that there's Martians on the ship and that he has to work with them. Oh boy, time for character development right? Tensions between the crew members concerning ideals? Showing what the effects on seeing your best friend and city you live in destroyed by the enemy can do to one's judgement? "lol she makes my dick hard martians r kewl yo" He's just a joke character now. I hate joke characters. I don't mind characters that are funny and joke around but they just flat out made this guy an archetype. I've given up any hope of any of Inaho's friends being developed at this point. And as others have said, Crutheo's personality took a complete 180 there. Yes, they throw away many possibilities for plot advancement and instead replace with fan service scene and romance subplot. And a alot of people are fine with this... Well, their choice. As long as Slaine looks "badass" and enough SlaineXHime moments, it is fine for them I guess. other character just plot devices and considered unimportant. |
Aug 23, 2014 7:06 PM
#255
| Poor Slaine, never get a damn break :( I didn't understood at first that the torturing was happening after his encounter with Inaho. As I thought, Count Cruhteo wasn't part of the conspiracy. But just when he was ready to team up with Slaine and showed him some compassion, he get lasered by the other asshole. How can he survive in the hand of the other Count? In fact, why did he spared him? Well, I think it's related to his father, since that other Count seemed really interested in his research. I was looking forward for the reaction of the humans toward the princess reveal, but it look like they falled under her charm. [ì]dat guuuur[/i] |
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Aug 23, 2014 7:10 PM
#256
| Cruhteo was bipolar as fuck this episode, first beating the crap out of Slaine, them saying he's sill loyal to the princess, and then being killed by Saazbaum. It's a shame he's dead though.. Now the war is definitely not going to be stopped. Is this getting a split cour? I hope so! I like when the aLLiez is used as the ending song, it has a way nigger impact for some reason. |
Aug 23, 2014 7:23 PM
#257
| In all fairness, this series has given me the biggest headache, some much things which could've been done right has been done wrong, poorly developed characters (looking at you inaho) and usually boring fight scene's. Marito and Slaine are keeping this series a 6/10 for me. Unfortunately, "anime logic" has been way way way to present in this series, why would you leave Slaine like inaho did instead of using him for interrogation, or why would they waste half of this episode on 98% pointless conversation, why are the enemies so transparent (barring saazbaum) and why do we have 1 main protagonist with fantastic development, whom is multidimensional (Slaine) and another who hasn't even got a pulse, let alone a back story. The lack of diversity in characters makes it a real shame too, who the hell needs people like calm in this show. I'm truly unsure what they can do to rescue this show |
Aug 23, 2014 7:28 PM
#258
| 01:08 "arudonoa doraibu" 01:28 kirakira henshin! 04:06 why're you still in this show? you should've been in Free, Shonen Hollywood, or the other two airing Beeburr show 05:29 do it 05:56 dat fireface 12:07 dat chibi 12:52 stop blushing 18:05 sono masaka desu、Kotomine 8/10 for this episode. Yayy, Kotomine didn't disappoint. Prepare to be heartbroken, Slaine. |
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Aug 23, 2014 7:29 PM
#259
r0ykun said: I like when the aLLiez is used as the ending song, it has a way nigger impact for some reason. I know this was simply a mistake, but I still found it funny. Sorry. Anyway, it was kinda boring in the 1st half. Not really shipping Inaho and the princess, so it was kinda annoying to watch. The 2nd half was good, but as someone pointed out earlier, I feel they killed their opportunity to make the story take an interesting path-- a war between martians. |
Aug 23, 2014 7:35 PM
#260
| I'm one of the few who didn't feel sorry for Cruhteo (or however you spell his name) at all. He was a massive douchebag and an idiot; he got what he had coming when Sauzbaum (or whatever his name is) killed him. I'm a little confused as to why Sauzbaum spare Slaine's life though? Wouldn't that just make everything worse for him? |
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Aug 23, 2014 7:37 PM
#261
| I hope cruhteo is alive, just when I was starting to like him they killed him off? and poor slaine, I felt bad for him, first episode that has disappointed me of this anime but I'm looking forward to the next. y123y said: Keten said: DivineTrinity said: Oh yeah this. Now its pretty much Slaine on the wrong side till he figures out that Saazbaum is really the traitor. Which I don't see for now since he probably will think Saazbaum is his savior while he probably treats Cruhteo as the traitor. UUUUGGHH.... I swear if that is the direction they are going then I am going to be cringing 5x more... It's totally the direction they are going for too because he's going to send Slaine after Inaho, saying that he wants to save the Princess to initiate more fights between the 2 MC's so Saazbaum get's an opening to try killing the Princess... If Im Slaine, I DONT NEED ANYONE TO TELL ME TO GO AFTER INAHO!!!!!! I would beg to send me after Inaho!!! And get your ass kicked? |
Aug 23, 2014 7:40 PM
#262
guyklc said: I'm one of the few who didn't feel sorry for Cruhteo (or however you spell his name) at all. He was a massive douchebag and an idiot; he got what he had coming when Sauzbaum (or whatever his name is) killed him. I'm a little confused as to why Sauzbaum spare Slaine's life though? Wouldn't that just make everything worse for him? Just wait and see. Saazbaum will make Slaine his new pawn. I think he will use Slaine to accomplish two things: - Find out about Dr. Troyard's researches. - but before that, he need to gain Slaine's trust so he will send him after Inaho's group so that they can retrieve Hime back. OR Saazbaum will go by himself. Both ways make Slaine think that he is loyal to Hime. |
Aug 23, 2014 7:43 PM
#263
| I personally wouldn't care if Slaine beat the living crap out of Inaho, considering he shot the guy down and left him to die/be captured. I love what one of you said, that Slaine is a character rich in pathos and character development while Inaho barely even has a pulse. Unfortunately with Saazbaum capturing Slaine at the end, he's probably going to convince the poor guy that he's on the princess' side and we'll see the two protagonists fight it out. And it seems like the anime seems to be giving everything to Inaho and nothing to Slaine. Maybe eventually the princess will stop dancing around at the sight of seagulls and Slaine will be reunited with her. |
Aug 23, 2014 7:48 PM
#264
| After this episode, remembering it's Urobuchi's work, I think it will end, like; - Slaine dies killed by hime - Slaine realizes that he means nothing for hime and gets all mad and 'oho I will ruin my own race with the Martians help' - Slaine and hime had a romance, like all the way romance (I just think that it may be a bomb hidden by Gen) and they rule the world or hime kills him anyway - Everybody dies Inaho is so annoying. |
Chelly_Aug 23, 2014 7:51 PM
Aug 23, 2014 7:52 PM
#265
Blind_Guardian said: I personally wouldn't care if Slaine beat the living crap out of Inaho, considering he shot the guy down and left him to die/be captured. I love what one of you said, that Slaine is a character rich in pathos and character development while Inaho barely even has a pulse. Unfortunately with Saazbaum capturing Slaine at the end, he's probably going to convince the poor guy that he's on the princess' side and we'll see the two protagonists fight it out. And it seems like the anime seems to be giving everything to Inaho and nothing to Slaine. Maybe eventually the princess will stop dancing around at the sight of seagulls and Slaine will be reunited with her. Yes, and their reunion will be like this, if what I think is true: TheUnbiasedOne91 said: best reunion, don't ya think? |
Aug 23, 2014 7:57 PM
#266
chickenonthepan said: Blind_Guardian said: I personally wouldn't care if Slaine beat the living crap out of Inaho, considering he shot the guy down and left him to die/be captured. I love what one of you said, that Slaine is a character rich in pathos and character development while Inaho barely even has a pulse. Unfortunately with Saazbaum capturing Slaine at the end, he's probably going to convince the poor guy that he's on the princess' side and we'll see the two protagonists fight it out. And it seems like the anime seems to be giving everything to Inaho and nothing to Slaine. Maybe eventually the princess will stop dancing around at the sight of seagulls and Slaine will be reunited with her. Yes, and their reunion will be like this, if what I think is true: TheUnbiasedOne91 said: best reunion, don't ya think? 'You made my new friends suffer so I have to kill you', oh no. |
Aug 23, 2014 7:58 PM
#267
chickenonthepan said: TheUnbiasedOne91 said: best reunion, don't ya think? Oh, Urobuchi... lol. Quoting my lord and savior DouchebagChocolat: WHO COULD'VE PREDICTED SUCH TRAGEDY??????? |
Aug 23, 2014 7:59 PM
#268
Aug 23, 2014 8:00 PM
#269
| pretty good episode. past few ones, including this, always made me pumped. - was a bit confused at the start when Slaine was imprisoned. - thought the captain wouldve felt a bit more hesitant and have her guard up a bit before trusting the princess - kinda expected Calm to yield that way though - Chruteos 180 was pretty abrupt. flailing on Slain for most of the episode, but has him in his arms near the end. i liked the development but it wouldve made more sense if he showed some reservation. |
Aug 23, 2014 8:05 PM
#270
| Slaine, Lt. Morito (or w/e his name is), and maybe Inaho's sister are the only decent characters in this show. Everyone else is 2D as fuck. Inaho is a worse character than Kirito. How in the hell do you make a character that bland? Plot contrivances everywhere - is this really the only way they could resolve the Slaine/Cruhteo subplot? Nice unnecessarily long torture scene I like how Cruhteo suddenly decides he feels bad for Slaine after he tortured him for hours on end. It's awesome when writers become so lazy they decide to make a character's personality do a complete 180 and hope it passes for "development" 5/10, this anime started okay but has been slipping a ton lately |
Aug 23, 2014 8:09 PM
#271
Kalypze said: Anyway, it was kinda boring in the 1st half. Not really shipping Inaho and the princess, so it was kinda annoying to watch. The 2nd half was good, but as someone pointed out earlier, I feel they killed their opportunity to make the story take an interesting path-- a war between martians. Woah, someone has same thought like me. It would be pretty much better if there's going to be war between martian within their territory, With the dead of Cruhteo the opportunity to disarm the war currently is on the Impossible point. I am pretty much sure Saazbaum will trying to deceives Slaine and told him that Cruhteo was the one who plotted Assassination of Hime. With the picture above of Hime pointing a gun towards Slaine, this series would be ended with pretty much bloody :D Then boom! everything that Slaine going to do in the future would be wasted as hell and he would pretty much regrets many shits things. |
Aug 23, 2014 8:09 PM
#272
| Unbelievable, the fanboy Slaine are completely sick. The only thing that Slaine made so far in the anime was catching Martians stay with that guy in love and obsessed by the dead princess and whining a character totally unfunny Inaho is a thousand times better than him. Slaine STALKER deserves to be killed by Inaho Or the princess |
Aug 23, 2014 8:15 PM
#273
Kalypze said: chickenonthepan said: TheUnbiasedOne91 said: best reunion, don't ya think? Oh, Urobuchi... lol. Quoting my lord and savior DouchebagChocolat: WHO COULD'VE PREDICTED SUCH TRAGEDY??????? Best scene that could occur in the anime. So sick of this man would turn Slaine. Slaine hate cheap copies of Bizon Buddy Complex. Slaine has obcesão the same as the princess had Bizon by Hina characters like him who only think of their side are characters without carate. Slaine equal shit |
Aug 23, 2014 8:49 PM
#275
| Poor Slaine, never catches a break. It was a pretty good anime at first but it really is dropping. Hope they can pick it up. And I seriously want Slaine to have a happy ending XD |
Aug 23, 2014 8:55 PM
#276
| cruhteo's drastic change of heart towards slaine wasn't believable at all. they should've prolonged that moment and his speech about slaine's loyalty towards asseylum. i'm starting to feel really bad for slaine. the guy can't catch a break. i see this show pulling a guilty crown with slaine becoming the bad guy. also, i'm disappointed with calm's character. he resolved to destroy the martians because they killed his friend but the moment he sees the loli martian princess his friend's death stops mattering. |
orchidorkAug 23, 2014 9:02 PM
Aug 23, 2014 9:21 PM
#277
orchidork said: cruhteo's drastic change of heart towards slaine wasn't believable at all. they should've prolonged that moment and his speech about slaine's loyalty towards asseylum. i'm starting to feel really bad for slaine. the guy can't catch a break. i see this show pulling a guilty crown with slaine becoming the bad guy. also, i'm disappointed with calm's character. he resolved to destroy the martians because they killed his friend but the moment he sees the loli martian princess his friend's death stops mattering. The most likely thing to happen to Slaine is he starts to act more selfish like most of the other characters and then watch as suddenly good things start happening to him and he actually has some success. I truly think that's the one key to having things work out for you in Urobuchi stories otherwise the universe will conspire to beat you and everything you care about or enjoy down for...well caring about and enjoying anything at all beyond sadism and making other peoples lives shittier. Seriously so much things become clearer and more easy to predict the outcome of in an Urobuchi story once the ball starts rolling if you fit yourself into what seems to be his world view and picture of humanity or rather lack thereof rather than thinking of things more logically and in terms of this is what a decent human being might do and expect to have happen as a result. In Gen Urobuchi stories it's pretty much the opposite, having virtues and what not means you're pretty much going to get fucked by the narrative over and over and lacking in morality and altruism means the narrative is basically going to make you into King Shit of the universe and it's kind of stupid and contrived rather than clever and realistic. |
PeacingOutAug 23, 2014 9:27 PM
Aug 23, 2014 9:24 PM
#278
| Damn, Slaine.It's kinda funny how they showed Slaine suffering and then second after, Princess dancing. Did not expct Cruhteo to die so early as well, but then again it's Urobuchi so i shouldn't expect supporting characters to be alive for long time. Fai said: Best girl Saki ahaha, had some good laugh.Not that im big fan of Shouko either, but Saki was like the most annoying character out there.Also, how in the fk was Shouko Mary Sue?...im not waiting for an answer tho, im just going to assume you were joking.fst said: Yo, don't be hatin' on ma gurl Shouko. sorry,was that her name? I don't seem to recall the worst girl mary sue's name. The only thing i selectively chose to remember from that mess was best girl Saki. |
Aug 23, 2014 9:29 PM
#279
Kaioshin_Sama said: The most likely thing to happen to Slaine is he starts to act more selfish like most of the other characters and then watch as suddenly good things start happening to him and he actually has some success. I truly think that's the one key to having things work out for you in Urobuchi stories otherwise the universe will conspire to beat you and everything you care about or enjoy down for...well caring about and enjoying anything at all beyond sadism and making other peoples lives shittier. So in the other words, if Slaine continues to devote himself to Hime, he will face the worst fate possible? |
Aug 23, 2014 9:31 PM
#280
| This is by far the best episode yet. It actually focussed on the characters. This anime may redeem itself yet. |
| The fate of destruction is also the joy of rebirth |
Aug 23, 2014 9:36 PM
#281
| The torture was so hard to watch, I kept having to pause the stream... Slaine ;_; and this (though I wouldn't go as far as to say I hate the Earth cast)... Wolfiexe said: deadoptimist said: Though I kinda hate the Earth cast after this. The contrast of caressly joking shoolchildren and dancing princessed with Slaine's grave predicamant was too much. For pretty much all the series now I've preferred watching Slaine a lot more than the people on Earth, so that scene flicking back and forth between him getting tortured and them just laughing around was frustrating to watch. I was surprised to see that they left Slaine behind in the first place. Good episode though. Just hope Slaine catches a break. |
nehnehnejiAug 23, 2014 9:42 PM
Aug 23, 2014 9:42 PM
#283
| Everything except Slaine is pointless. And Slaine is treated like shit. I hope this anime picks up in the end. |
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Aug 23, 2014 9:46 PM
#284
chickenonthepan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: The most likely thing to happen to Slaine is he starts to act more selfish like most of the other characters and then watch as suddenly good things start happening to him and he actually has some success. I truly think that's the one key to having things work out for you in Urobuchi stories otherwise the universe will conspire to beat you and everything you care about or enjoy down for...well caring about and enjoying anything at all beyond sadism and making other peoples lives shittier. So in the other words, if Slaine continues to devote himself to Hime, he will face the worst fate possible? I would imagine so. I mean at the very base line think about it, any time he's really acted on that sort of idea what has it resulted in? To me the answer is his situation just getting worse. I'm pretty sure there's a causality effect at play here and in much of Urobuchi's catalogue when it comes to trying to do good for others if not an outright rule to the universe. In Slaine's case it seems to be that because he's so dedicated to the Princess and her cause which is peace the only possible recourse is to see anything and everything he could come to hope for come to ruination the harder he strives for it. Some people call it Urobuchi's commitment to suffering and think it equates to depth and realism, I just find it stupid, contrived and trivial, but hey to each their own. Fearless prediction, because of his actions this week and for him attempting to make the ultimate sacrifice for his beliefs the penalty will be for Saazbaum to extract the power of Aldnoah which his father seemed to have gained some level of mastery over from him at last and use it against the Princess somehow possibly resulting in her turning against him and coming to perceive him as an enemy through some contrived series of events before the season is out. Whether this turns out to be what the whole sequence with her pointing a gun hesitantly at someone near the end of the OP is all about I don't know, but I could really see it happening at this stage. |
PeacingOutAug 23, 2014 9:50 PM
Aug 23, 2014 10:05 PM
#285
| Why are people here so quick to blame Gen Urobuchi for this? He laid the groundwork and nothing more. Why not blame, oh I dunno, the guy who wrote this episode? It's like you guys are blaming the pilers for the bad environment of a seaside resort. |
CheesekaoAug 23, 2014 10:08 PM
Aug 23, 2014 10:06 PM
#286
Cheesekao said: Why are people here so quick to blame Gen Urobuchi for this? He laid the groundwork and nothing more. Why not blame, oh I dunno, the guy who wrote this episode? Because it's so typical of his tendencies thematically. Perhaps the person writing didn't execute them particularly well, but there's zero doubt in my mind where the idea is coming from. If anything I blame both parties. Shits getting kind of old. |
Aug 23, 2014 10:15 PM
#287
Kaioshin_Sama said: Cheesekao said: Why are people here so quick to blame Gen Urobuchi for this? He laid the groundwork and nothing more. Why not blame, oh I dunno, the guy who wrote this episode? Because it's so typical of his tendencies thematically. Perhaps the person writing didn't execute them particularly well, but there's zero doubt in my mind where the idea is coming from. If anything I blame both parties. Shits getting kind of old. While I do not particularly care much about other people's opinion of this show, it still irks me when people keep blaming Urobuchi for shit he didn't do. I am well aware that he came up with the initial concept but we can't be sure if this is exactly how he would have continued on with the story past episode 3. |
Aug 23, 2014 10:20 PM
#288
Kaioshin_Sama said: orchidork said: cruhteo's drastic change of heart towards slaine wasn't believable at all. they should've prolonged that moment and his speech about slaine's loyalty towards asseylum. i'm starting to feel really bad for slaine. the guy can't catch a break. i see this show pulling a guilty crown with slaine becoming the bad guy. also, i'm disappointed with calm's character. he resolved to destroy the martians because they killed his friend but the moment he sees the loli martian princess his friend's death stops mattering. The most likely thing to happen to Slaine is he starts to act more selfish like most of the other characters and then watch as suddenly good things start happening to him and he actually has some success. I truly think that's the one key to having things work out for you in Urobuchi stories otherwise the universe will conspire to beat you and everything you care about or enjoy down for...well caring about and enjoying anything at all beyond sadism and making other peoples lives shittier. Seriously so much things become clearer and more easy to predict the outcome of in an Urobuchi story once the ball starts rolling if you fit yourself into what seems to be his world view and picture of humanity or rather lack thereof rather than thinking of things more logically and in terms of this is what a decent human being might do and expect to have happen as a result. In Gen Urobuchi stories it's pretty much the opposite, having virtues and what not means you're pretty much going to get fucked by the narrative over and over and lacking in morality and altruism means the narrative is basically going to make you into King Shit of the universe and it's kind of stupid and contrived rather than clever and realistic. Woah... good catch. The major thing in all of his popular shows (Psycho Pass, Fate Zero and Madoka) seems to be "evil prevails". Which to an extent reflects real life. To an extent. I've come to realize that if you want to do good in the world don't make yourself into this hero type person. Operate like the evil-doers do, quietly and from the shadows. Doing otherwise'll make you a very visible target and get you kil't. I mean, look what happened to Jesus.... |
Aug 23, 2014 10:26 PM
#289
Kaioshin_Sama said: chickenonthepan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: The most likely thing to happen to Slaine is he starts to act more selfish like most of the other characters and then watch as suddenly good things start happening to him and he actually has some success. I truly think that's the one key to having things work out for you in Urobuchi stories otherwise the universe will conspire to beat you and everything you care about or enjoy down for...well caring about and enjoying anything at all beyond sadism and making other peoples lives shittier. So in the other words, if Slaine continues to devote himself to Hime, he will face the worst fate possible? I would imagine so. I mean at the very base line think about it, any time he's really acted on that sort of idea what has it resulted in? To me the answer is his situation just getting worse. I'm pretty sure there's a causality effect at play here and in much of Urobuchi's catalogue when it comes to trying to do good for others if not an outright rule to the universe. In Slaine's case it seems to be that because he's so dedicated to the Princess and her cause which is peace the only possible recourse is to see anything and everything he could come to hope for come to ruination the harder he strives for it. Some people call it Urobuchi's commitment to suffering and think it equates to depth and realism, I just find it stupid, contrived and trivial, but hey to each their own. Fearless prediction, because of his actions this week and for him attempting to make the ultimate sacrifice for his beliefs the penalty will be for Saazbaum to extract the power of Aldnoah which his father seemed to have gained some level of mastery over from him at last and use it against the Princess somehow possibly resulting in her turning against him and coming to perceive him as an enemy through some contrived series of events before the season is out. Whether this turns out to be what the whole sequence with her pointing a gun hesitantly at someone near the end of the OP is all about I don't know, but I could really see it happening at this stage. I would fucking groan if this is how things play out between Slaine and Hime. I honestly hope that sequence with Hime and the gun simply signifies her taking up arms to reach her ambition of peace or something. Otherwise the whole second season of this already crashing train would feature an insane Slaine trying to get revenge and good gawd "Dragonaut the Resonance", anyone? Please, no, Japan. |
Aug 23, 2014 10:26 PM
#290
Cheesekao said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Cheesekao said: Why are people here so quick to blame Gen Urobuchi for this? He laid the groundwork and nothing more. Why not blame, oh I dunno, the guy who wrote this episode? Because it's so typical of his tendencies thematically. Perhaps the person writing didn't execute them particularly well, but there's zero doubt in my mind where the idea is coming from. If anything I blame both parties. Shits getting kind of old. While I do not particularly care much about other people's opinion of this show, it still irks me when people keep blaming Urobuchi for shit he didn't do. I am well aware that he came up with the initial concept but we can't be sure if this is exactly how he would have continued on with the story past episode 3. Pretty sure he laid out the frame and other writer adds details and find a way to execute his idea. And the "other writer" is so bad at that. He will return in 3 final episode (22-23-24) if I recall correctly. |
Aug 23, 2014 10:30 PM
#291
ollythirteen said: I would fucking groan if this is how things play out between Slaine and Hime. I honestly hope that sequence with Hime and the gun simply signifies her taking up arms to reach her ambition of peace or something. Otherwise the whole second season of this already crashing train would feature an insane Slaine trying to get revenge and good gawd "Dragonaut the Resonance", anyone? Please, no, Japan. Urobutcher will not hesitate to kill off any character, even if that's fan favorite, remember that. And naive character like Slaine won't end well.. |
Aug 23, 2014 10:35 PM
#292
Cheesekao said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Cheesekao said: Why are people here so quick to blame Gen Urobuchi for this? He laid the groundwork and nothing more. Why not blame, oh I dunno, the guy who wrote this episode? Because it's so typical of his tendencies thematically. Perhaps the person writing didn't execute them particularly well, but there's zero doubt in my mind where the idea is coming from. If anything I blame both parties. Shits getting kind of old. While I do not particularly care much about other people's opinion of this show, it still irks me when people keep blaming Urobuchi for shit he didn't do. I am well aware that he came up with the initial concept but we can't be sure if this is exactly how he would have continued on with the story past episode 3. It sure feels like his work, though. You know? Things happening or not happening because of plot? Characters that are horribly evil just 'cause? And now good guys getting stepped on? Even after knowing that he was done writing it after episode 3 people still predict Hime-sama will die. At the very least the writers are probably following Urobuchi's blueprint due to a mixture of being fans, the Japanese culture pertaining to Seniority and respect and the fact that they're probably trying to emulate his past (undeserving in my opinion) success with the Urotrinity (Madoka, FZ and Psycho Pass). I predict we'll soon be able to see similarities between this show and those three. |
Aug 23, 2014 10:37 PM
#293
| AHHHHHHH CRUHTEO GOT URO-BUTCHED! ... is what I want to say, but I think there's a chance he survived that craziness. Idk how he would have, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. |
Aug 23, 2014 10:43 PM
#294
| This episode made me hate Inaho even more now, what a fuckin prick, leaving Slaine to get tortured and not even giving a fuck that he was the princess's friend. Too bad for Count Crouton, he realized it too late. |
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Aug 23, 2014 10:43 PM
#295
| guy being fanboy has limits, nobody ta understand the story. I see that cegeira is such that there are people calling the hero Slaine, a real sink Slaine not even listenin to war for personal or Martian land, so he cares about the princess fuck the rest. A typical selfish, obsessed to the point of even bothering with it mesmemo only with the princess. As everyone mistreats him because he's a nerd and do nothing, he clung sickly princess. Guy on earth so celebrating that they survived. Slaine guy is such an idiot, who returned to the castle dinovo, knowing the consequences of his actions, if he was so smart and this typical false hero that his fanboys talk because it always comes back to the Martians, because he did not Foche or hides the earth. Guy because he wants to catch, if there is doing poor. Stop being fanboy and try to see the story |
Aug 23, 2014 10:44 PM
#296
chickenonthepan said: ollythirteen said: I would fucking groan if this is how things play out between Slaine and Hime. I honestly hope that sequence with Hime and the gun simply signifies her taking up arms to reach her ambition of peace or something. Otherwise the whole second season of this already crashing train would feature an insane Slaine trying to get revenge and good gawd "Dragonaut the Resonance", anyone? Please, no, Japan. Urobutcher will not hesitate to kill off any character, even if that's fan favorite, remember that. And naive character like Slaine won't end well.. I get that. It's a shame about Japanese anime writing really (and LN writing too). Maybe they need to give more doujinshi/visual novel writers a chance or something. I mean, the guy who wrote Steins;Gate for example? That guy needs to get more work. (the creator of Higurashi too created something pretty amazing...most obvious plot twist I never saw coming... and let's not forget all that brain work that went into Eden of the East...say what you will about the movies but the show was creative as hell) |
Aug 23, 2014 10:45 PM
#297
chickenonthepan said: Pretty sure he laid out the frame and other writer adds details and find a way to execute his idea. And the "other writer" is so bad at that. He will return in 3 final episode (22-23-24) if I recall correctly. I'm not sure if that's a good idea. It could very well be a 180 from the previous episodes and make no sense at all but we'll see. ollythirteen said: It sure feels like his work, though. You know? Things happening or not happening because of plot? Characters that are horribly evil just 'cause? And now good guys getting stepped on? Even after knowing that he was done writing it after episode 3 people still predict Hime-sama will die. At the very least the writers are probably following Urobuchi's blueprint due to a mixture of being fans, the Japanese culture pertaining to Seniority and respect and the fact that they're probably trying to emulate his past (undeserving in my opinion) success with the Urotrinity (Madoka, FZ and Psycho Pass). I predict we'll soon be able to see similarities between this show and those three. IIRC there were no 'horribly evil' people in Madoka and Fate/Zero, just complete asshats with twisted morals. |
Aug 23, 2014 10:50 PM
#298
kickmesign said: This episode made me hate Inaho even more now, what a fuckin prick, leaving Slaine to get tortured and not even giving a fuck that he was the princess's friend. Too bad for Count Crouton, he realized it too late. Hmm, does Inaho even know Slaine is Hime's friend? Does he even khow Slaine will get torture? Is he a God that knows everything but decides not to help? And you blame all Slaine's problem on Inaho just because Inaho is safe and sound... typical fanboy I guess. |
Aug 23, 2014 10:50 PM
#299
| When I found out that Slaine got left behind in Tanegashima at the start of this episode, I was gonna go all "Wheres the friggin' logic in all of that?" and complain about how thick the plot armor was for this stupid anime. But then the pre-OP scene got me thinking how it all actually made sense. Even if Inaho was the one to shoot down Slaine's Bat at the end of the episode, it would have been the higher up's decision on whether to capture the Pilot of that ship or not. The reason why they would choose not search for a survivor or to even try to capture him would be quite obvious. Firstly, everyone on the Terran side believe that the Bat was being operated by a Martian. They had no name confirmation on who it was, nor did they even know that a Terran was on the Martian's side of things (at least until Asseylum mentioned both the fact and his name in her talk with Inaho in THIS episode). Considering how the Princess powered up the battleship, capturing a martian at that point wasn't open for discussion, since said martian with Aldnoah powers could possibly overpower and hijack their battleship, kill the princess, and leave them all for dead. It was a risk that Inaho's faction couldn't or wouldn't take. Second, regardless of the aid that they received from the Bat in the previous episode, when the battle died down Slaine was the first to interrogate Inaho regarding the Princesses survival and whereabouts. It was his stupid demand to see the princess, coupled with his turning his guns on Inaho and shooting at him first, that made the Terrans assume the worst of him. It's not like Inaho and his people haven't seen Martians go against Martians (Trilliam's Kat was bombarded regardless, and the Martians wouldn't have known whether he was alive or not at that point, they just didn't care). It's safe to assume that it could have been entirely possible that the Bat had its own agenda for helping Inaho at that point in time, and turning his guns on Inaho's Kat right afterwards would have just confirmed that suspicion. If Slaine had just friggin told Inaho why he was looking for the Princess, it would all have ended in a nice big group hug. Slaines hotheadedness and stupidity in this situation was the reason for his capture and subsequent torture. I mean come on, you've already found out that it was the Martians who instigated the assassination, is it so hard to tell a HUMAN about your mission to find the princess? Specially since you knew for a fact that the Orange Kat was protecting your princess? Slaine needs a Snickers or something. That said, I also don't believe that Cruhteo's character change was all that contrived. The realization that he had about Slaine before he got plasma'd was quite realistic. True he may have thought Terrans were beneath him, but he realized the enormous burden which Slaine had taken upon himself for the sake of the princess. As a loyal subject to the Princess, such a feat would garner an immense amount of respect, regardless of race. This episode pretty much showed how one-track minded the "Good Martians" are. Cruhteo's thirst for revenge for the princess blinded him to the possibility that it wasn't the Terrans who had actually killed her off. His realization, too little too late to rectify the situation, showed him to be always half a step behind Saazbaum, who started to act before Slaine even gave the game away. That Saazbaum would strike first at Cruhteo actually gave me a bit of home for him as an antagonist, because he knew the game would be up if anyone would actually believe in Slaine's story enough to investigate, and took steps to prevent that from happening. I don't really believe Slaine will consider Saazbaum to be a savior of sorts, but I do believe that Saazbaum is smart enough to manipulate Slaine into going against the Terrans somehow. The contrast between the Princess and Inaho flirting around and his getting tortured was somewhat a foreshadowing for this to happen. As for the rest of the episode, I really can't stand the banter between the other school kids, it was lame as heck, and the tall blond dude was clearly thinking with his D only. Inaho's admittance that he only fought for survival was cliche to say the least (the stoic character acts cool in front of the female lead), as was the Princesses reply (oh but you still saved me, have my kids). If this goes the way of your regular romance shit, It's likely we'll have the princess end up with Inaho in the end, or hopefully an end where they all die. Seriously, I think the NagiAsu reference someone made would be spot on: You have the Female Lead (Princess), you have the Childhood Friend (Slaine) who has always had a thing for the female lead, and then you have the "Mysterious" New Emo Guy (Inaho) who is indifferent to the female lead at first. In situations like this, the childhood friend always loses out because chicks always dig the mysterious new guy who saved her life countless times, as opposed to the geeky dude who's life SHE saved. chickenonthepan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: The most likely thing to happen to Slaine is he starts to act more selfish like most of the other characters and then watch as suddenly good things start happening to him and he actually has some success. I truly think that's the one key to having things work out for you in Urobuchi stories otherwise the universe will conspire to beat you and everything you care about or enjoy down for...well caring about and enjoying anything at all beyond sadism and making other peoples lives shittier. So in the other words, if Slaine continues to devote himself to Hime, he will face the worst fate possible? His entire existence revolves around his Hime, if you take her away from him, he becomes nothing. This is why I too believe his obsession with his Hime will be his downfall. The moment that he realizes, or is tricked by Saazbaum into realizing, that his Hime doesn't need him/find him as important as someone else, he'll probably go all batshit crazy. He'll go through all the mental and physical anguish that he had to suffer due to his devotion to her, and end up hating her for it all because she didn't return his feelings. It'll be like "I was tortured and nearly killed for you, whilst you were playing house with this fugly emotionless bastard who shot me down! Screw this, I ain't gonna help you out anymore.." or something like that. Once that happens, he would make for some great antagonist material. Can totally see this happening since it's a Gen Urobuchi piece. |
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Aug 23, 2014 10:56 PM
#300
Cheesekao said: chickenonthepan said: Pretty sure he laid out the frame and other writer adds details and find a way to execute his idea. And the "other writer" is so bad at that. He will return in 3 final episode (22-23-24) if I recall correctly. I'm not sure if that's a good idea. It could very well be a 180 from the previous episodes and make no sense at all but we'll see. ollythirteen said: It sure feels like his work, though. You know? Things happening or not happening because of plot? Characters that are horribly evil just 'cause? And now good guys getting stepped on? Even after knowing that he was done writing it after episode 3 people still predict Hime-sama will die. At the very least the writers are probably following Urobuchi's blueprint due to a mixture of being fans, the Japanese culture pertaining to Seniority and respect and the fact that they're probably trying to emulate his past (undeserving in my opinion) success with the Urotrinity (Madoka, FZ and Psycho Pass). I predict we'll soon be able to see similarities between this show and those three. IIRC there were no 'horribly evil' people in Madoka and Fate/Zero, just complete asshats with twisted morals. The old guy who tossed that little girl to the flesh eating worms in the first episode of FZ because "family". He was pretty evil. Him and that horrible excuse for a character that thought crucifying little kids was cool. He found what he was looking for in his guts? Typical nonsense writing there. Then there was Robo-priest who thought nothing of choking chicks or impaling them on his big sword who did those things because, to paraphrase another character in the show, he was "bored". As for Madoka, where do I even begin? SHAFT for passing off horrible paper machet looking things as "witches", SHAFT for its horrible cuts, SHAFT for -- ah... Okay, then Kyuubei. Meanwhile, just what was Makashima's reason for being such a sociopath? I was marginalized by society because no Psycho Pass, boohoo! Ugh, the guy needs to learn how to write convinving characters at least. Don't get me started on Tsunemori's character development that never was (because plot). |
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