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Satan-sama said: I wonder just how much worse he'll get once he finds out that Sinon has been stolen away by Kirito's Lightsaber... I hate these kind of people, but Kitiro won't let him touch his harem. LOL Satan-sama makes my day. This weeks episode had me coughing blood, I can't see the "necessity" of bringing up a bunch of irrelevant nostalgia, compared to what could have been done. BTW I'm not some action buff, it's just I would have preferred watching Kirito obliterate people with his glow stick for 20 minutes dodging bullets rather than seeing his harem all holding hands and laughing in last seasons setting. |
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| Sinon is being tsundere towards Kirito. Nothing much happen. Hoping for more action next week. |
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Gantsz said: Satan-sama said: I wonder just how much worse he'll get once he finds out that Sinon has been stolen away by Kirito's Lightsaber... I hate these kind of people, but Kitiro won't let him touch his harem. LOL Satan-sama makes my day. This weeks episode had me coughing blood, I can't see the "necessity" of bringing up a bunch of irrelevant nostalgia, compared to what could have been done. BTW I'm not some action buff, it's just I would have preferred watching Kirito obliterate people with his glow stick for 20 minutes dodging bullets rather than seeing his harem all holding hands and laughing in last seasons setting. I won't really mind seeing his harem in every episode, those young tiny bodies of them really makes me relaxing. Am I perv ? Anyway, Does Klein count as one of Kirito's harem ? No matter how I look at him, He seems all worked up when he hears about him and he cares about him, he even shed tears for him, even men can fall for Kirito.  Kirito, Don't be ashamed of your homosexuality :( don't worry, we won't accept that. |
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Satan-sama said: Gantsz said: LOL Satan-sama makes my day. This weeks episode had me coughing blood, I can't see the "necessity" of bringing up a bunch of irrelevant nostalgia, compared to what could have been done. BTW I'm not some action buff, it's just I would have preferred watching Kirito obliterate people with his glow stick for 20 minutes dodging bullets rather than seeing his harem all holding hands and laughing in last seasons setting. I won't really mind seeing his harem in every episode, those young tiny bodies of them really makes me relaxing. Am I perv ? Anyway, Does Klein count as one of Kirito's harem ? No matter how I look at him, He seems all worked up when he hears about him and he cares about him, he even shed tears for him, even men can fall for Kirito. Kirito, Don't be ashamed of your homosexuality :( don't worry, we won't accept that. Yep he counts |
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| Sword art online 2 as a whole has been pretty freaking awesome so far in my opinion. Honestly the only thing holding this anime back from absolute greatness... is season 1. Imagine how great season 1 would of been if it would of been handled well like this season. Its a shame to see a great anime like this held back because of a crappy season 1. I wish they would go back and redo it lol. |
| quite tooo slow of an episode for me also |
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Tirno said: We've been waiting for 7 episodes right now -.-; Yes of course there has been no action in this series at all so far... |
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slovak125 said: Lol'd at how much this episode is disliked just because there wasn't any action, but then, I also fell asleep in a chair while watching it, so i shouldn't be saying anything... I guess, that's what you get when you take out the only working element in this anime... This ep would only get 5/5 from people who think SAO is masterpiece or that adding the nurse to Kirito's harem is a character development. I'm hoping it's more that it's disliked because it accomplished absolutely nothing of significance. It's plenty alright to have an episode with no action, but at least use it to some effect narrative wise. All of this was just retreaded ground. I don't think it's THAT hard to understand why some people would find that pretty underwhelming but hey MAL. I don't expect much out of the show at all personally, just dumb summer entertainment, but that didn't really accomplish it. |
| Face the truth, you guys like the pervert nurse. So stop complaining about it. |
SayonaraSelena said: They're just jealous of Kazuto.Face the truth, you guys like the pervert nurse. So stop complaining about it. |
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| A pretty boring episode, still amusing enough. :D |
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AppoX said: Shinkawa is so screwed because Sinon already entered the orbit of Kirito's dick. Ahh I really don't want Sinon to be another pointless harem member of Kirito.... She is actually a good character(the only one in this damn series) I hope Shinkawa gets his stuff together and hires Death Gun to kill Kirito so he can have Sinon for himself, or you know, be less persistent and try to get the girl by other means than asking 'I really liek u so, please, plox be mein kanojo'. Not that this series is realistic in the way of getting a girlfriend since the main character got a football team of girlfriend candidates already and is still getting more by simply having the mass of his dick so huge that its gravitational field attracts every single female object in the damn universe of this anime. I hope they will explain the theoretical physics and the forces active in the whole scientific process of attracting female life forms in the realms of Kirito's dick. I really love scientific anime like this. 11/10 anime of the century. This anime is very similar to Steins; Gate in the way of a scientist protagonist who develops a very useful technology. In Steins Gate it was time-travel seehningans, but here Kirito really outdone all other competition, he developed an artifical gravitational field! Not just normal gravity, no, it attracts everything that is feminine. Even such tight girls like Sinon fall to his cutting-edge technology without trouble! Steins gate sucks, this is the new scientist anime of the century. I love how everything is explained scientifically. Kirito also reminded me of Lelouch because of his tactical prowess, he uses SWORDS in a shooter?! Damn his enemies wont expect that, this completly turns the tide in his favour in every engagement. Kirito is the most intelligent protagonist ever, and he ain't 'asspull' intelligent either! He achieved his intelligence by his sheer will and determination. buhp (bring up his post) Every time I read this I literally cry. |
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Mikatarukito said: AppoX said: Shinkawa is so screwed because Sinon already entered the orbit of Kirito's dick. Ahh I really don't want Sinon to be another pointless harem member of Kirito.... She is actually a good character(the only one in this damn series) I hope Shinkawa gets his stuff together and hires Death Gun to kill Kirito so he can have Sinon for himself, or you know, be less persistent and try to get the girl by other means than asking 'I really liek u so, please, plox be mein kanojo'. Not that this series is realistic in the way of getting a girlfriend since the main character got a football team of girlfriend candidates already and is still getting more by simply having the mass of his dick so huge that its gravitational field attracts every single female object in the damn universe of this anime. I hope they will explain the theoretical physics and the forces active in the whole scientific process of attracting female life forms in the realms of Kirito's dick. I really love scientific anime like this. 11/10 anime of the century. This anime is very similar to Steins; Gate in the way of a scientist protagonist who develops a very useful technology. In Steins Gate it was time-travel seehningans, but here Kirito really outdone all other competition, he developed an artifical gravitational field! Not just normal gravity, no, it attracts everything that is feminine. Even such tight girls like Sinon fall to his cutting-edge technology without trouble! Steins gate sucks, this is the new scientist anime of the century. I love how everything is explained scientifically. Kirito also reminded me of Lelouch because of his tactical prowess, he uses SWORDS in a shooter?! Damn his enemies wont expect that, this completly turns the tide in his favour in every engagement. Kirito is the most intelligent protagonist ever, and he ain't 'asspull' intelligent either! He achieved his intelligence by his sheer will and determination. buhp (bring up his post) Every time I read this I literally cry. Why? It made me laugh. |
| This was probably my least favorite episode so far... just a slow paced transition episode between the qualifying round for BoB and the actual tournament. It just felt, well, uneventful for the most part. And the tournament didn't even start really =.= It was interesting to see Sinon get confessed to, although 99% of us saw that coming from a mile away. Dude is super nice to girl and always around her, probably has romantic feelings for her. I know Sinon seems to not want to be distracted by it, but I guess its pretty normal thing for teenagers with confessions and such. I thought that dude should know Sinon well enough by now that she ain't the touchy-feely type.. I guess the nurse seen was okay, Kirito needed someone to help him pull his head out of his ass with all that worrying about those pk players he disposed of. |
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Botato said: SayonaraSelena said: They're just jealous of Kazuto.Face the truth, you guys like the pervert nurse. So stop complaining about it. Nurse Aki is love Nurse Aki is life Nurse Aki therefore is shrek Satan-sama said: kingsheep812 said: Ahuahauahaha Suguha saying "Onii-chan!" in Kirino Kousaka's voice I am dying as;dfas;dlkfjasfdf too cute too handle xD Ok let me calm down... whew. Ok. Well then. This episode was one of those "cliffhanger" getting things ready episodes. So... people out there who hate this... just wait till next episode before you start judging. Anyways. It was great to see more of the outside world for a change but I really did want to see more action. And that part with the nurse was a bit... unnecessary, should've been Asuna. For real. Anyways I can't wait till next episode because it'll be frickin awesome! Bullet of Bullets lets go!!! Asuna isn't going anywhere, on the other hand the nurse is. I wonder why all the nurses must be so hot and sexually attractive -_- Cause a sexy nurse is sexy? |
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TnTMobius said: So this is my first post so hello everyone haha :D I like were season 2 is going.. I can't wait for next week.. but IMHO I would've loved to see more of the part 1 of season 1 again.. I mean with all the characters, like klein.. Asuna (who is kirito's girlfriend for crying out loud).. Lisbeth etc etc.. I miss them too much haha! Might be the only one but yeah.. I hope they'll get a major roll again someday! I'm not a huge fan of the whole GGO thing.. Welcome And fellow... You made a huge mistake You never post you´re a n00b here in the maelstrom of SAO Should´ve made another post on another subforum Prepare to see the ragewars incoming... I hope we have them Plox Do it 4 me niggas |
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Rolanddeschain said: Are you really that hungry to feed on butthurt? ^^TnTMobius said: So this is my first post so hello everyone haha :D I like were season 2 is going.. I can't wait for next week.. but IMHO I would've loved to see more of the part 1 of season 1 again.. I mean with all the characters, like klein.. Asuna (who is kirito's girlfriend for crying out loud).. Lisbeth etc etc.. I miss them too much haha! Might be the only one but yeah.. I hope they'll get a major roll again someday! I'm not a huge fan of the whole GGO thing.. Welcome And fellow... You made a huge mistake You never post you´re a n00b here in the maelstrom of SAO Should´ve made another post on another subforum Prepare to see the ragewars incoming... I hope we have them Plox Do it 4 me niggas |
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Botato said: Rolanddeschain said: Are you really that hungry to feed on butthurt? ^^Welcome And fellow... You made a huge mistake You never post you´re a n00b here in the maelstrom of SAO Should´ve made another post on another subforum Prepare to see the ragewars incoming... I hope we have them Plox Do it 4 me niggas I have such a lack of RL that I feed on butthurt I am connected to my lap Inside it I mean It´s like if I fed on it :v It must be natural And so I expect it with expectation each saturday While going on to tmblr to survive on feminazi butthurt |
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Rolanddeschain said: Ummm... I don't even know anymore....Botato said: Are you really that hungry to feed on butthurt? ^^ I have such a lack of RL that I feed on butthurt I am connected to my lap Inside it I mean It´s like if I fed on it :v It must be natural And so I expect it with expectation each saturday While going on to tmblr to survive on feminazi butthurt |
| In this episode, Kirito doesn't consult Asuna the love of his life about any of his problems. Even though part of Aincrad was them learning to rely on each other. I'm so happy you're back-peddling Kirito. |
| The episode wasn't bad, it was just slower than expected, know what they say about the calm before the storm? I for one still had fun squinting my eyes looking for Death Gun's name on Sugu's tablet. Didn't find it in English, didn't find it in kranji, didn't find it in katakana... (minutes later) oh damn so that's why. It was amusing to see Shino throwing fits and kicking at the clock pole. As noted by Shinkawa, this wouldn't be how she normally acts, though for the past few episodes, Sinon does seems to be holding down a lot of angst in her small frame and thus demonstrating a a curiously different personality from the other female SAO characters we have had. No guessing which one is the real Shino/Sinon, they all are. But will erasing the line between RL and VR leads her to the path of recovery? And speaking of Shinkawa, we did get some valuable background that he was bullied at school but unlike Shino, he is avoiding it to escape his tormentors and thus he admitted he is weak, he knows it and he probably hates it. What Shino needs is someone that is mentally strong, dependable, someone that can lend her more strength to fight her own demons and that's not Shinkawa. Obviously everything is paving towards Kirito being that guy right now, whether the audiences like it or not. Shinkawa is the plot fodder at this point. |
| The episode was alright, just a little slower than I expected. The only problem I had with it is that Suguha was in it for a kinda long time. God why does Suguha have to exist she ruined SAO |
| I don't dislike her but I wish Kirito had walked right past Sinon like, "I'm not affected by your one sided hate" and left her standing there derping. |
| Boring but informative episode. Klein is still alive. His attempts to enter the job market haven't drove him to suicide yet. As it was bluntly put in this episode, Kirito got counseling from the hot nurse. Damn she's hot. I didn't read the LN's so I don't know anything about death gun, but I think the people saying that Spiegel is Death Gun is probably off. I may be wrong, and it could just be some ridiculous writing but he probably isn't. I'm looking at this from the stand point that the guy really is an SAO survivor from laughing coffin. They never mentioned Spiegel playing SAO. Also Death Gun in the beginning of the show had the clear intention of killing Sinon, while Spiegel just has some crazy borderline rape obsession with her. Spiegel is just a stupid name btw. Literally cant take him seriously. I don't think it will happen because this isn't that kind of show, but the way Spiegel has been pursuing Shino so hard and aggressively this episode, I wouldn't be surprised if Death Gun ended up killing him to fuck with Sinon. I really don't see it happening, but if it did I'd probably piss myself laughing. I know these LN's aren't Asuna focused at all, but does anyone else find it strange that Kirito & Asuna's relationship outside of SAO is just weird? Like when they were in the game they were so madly in love that like every episode hit me in the kokoro. But now that they're in real life there's like seemingly no love between them at all. That phone conversation was just pathetic. Idk maybe I'm just crazy... |
| Wow the complaining is real. Do people expect someone to die every episode? There's ya know that thing called plot. |
| Really nice episode and quite relaxing. I don't know why, but Kirito is probably one of the few, if not the only MC that I can't stand at all. Jonesy974 said: I know these LN's aren't Asuna focused at all, but does anyone else find it strange that Kirito & Asuna's relationship outside of SAO is just weird? Like when they were in the game they were so madly in love that like every episode hit me in the kokoro. But now that they're in real life there's like seemingly no love between them at all. That phone conversation was just pathetic. Idk maybe I'm just crazy... That's just bad characterisation for now. They are still "madly in love" to the point it doesn't really transpire any emotion to me. Then again, I don't really watch this series because of the love interests, etc. |
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| I didn't enjoy this episode as much as the others a bit slow and plus Sugu was in it which made it kind of unpleasant. 3/5 |
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| Seems like the budget nosedived this episode. Not like I contribute any though lol |
"Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5."  |
| Worst episode in this new season, to me. |
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Viriathus said: Worst episode in this new season, to me. U 4R3 R1GH7 |
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| Lots of scene in the physical world this time and sadly boring as well Suguha appearing was a huge plus along with the confession of Spiegel Let the battles begin! |
Jonesy974 said: I know these LN's aren't Asuna focused at all, but does anyone else find it strange that Kirito & Asuna's relationship outside of SAO is just weird? Like when they were in the game they were so madly in love that like every episode hit me in the kokoro. But now that they're in real life there's like seemingly no love between them at all. That phone conversation was just pathetic. Idk maybe I'm just crazy... Its supposed to be that way. We will be getting quite a bit of insight into Asuna's life. |
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| terrible episode |
| Too much drama with Kirito. So only Asuna isn't enough for him huh ? |
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| Boring episode :/ overall. Too much talking, to less action :v Had to laugh once though - tfw your healer's (brain)AFK. Also, the part with Spiegel and Sinon was awkward and rather uncomfortable to watch... |
Aenigma66Aug 20, 2014 5:10 AM
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| God, this is depressing. Not the episode, mind you. The comments. It reminds me of a publishing house (or rather, around 200 publishing houses) that rejected a now well-known book because "it has no sex, no violence, nobody will like that". Seriously, does everything need action and explosion in order to be good? It's quite clear that GGO isn't about action. If it was supposed to be, taking a sniper as a MC would have been a terrible idea by the way, because it's doable but it probably needs more talent that the author does have, it's hard. Sure, a bit of action is nice but the way it is supposed to almost be the only thing that everyone want is quite perplexing. Otherwise, fine episode, even if even I would agree that this one was slow. I was laughing when people were complaining about the previous ones saying it's slow; THIS is an episode that is really slow. And indeed, it may be annoying. BUT. Am I the only one that hate Spiegel? I don't know, this "romance" make Kirito-Asuna look like a masterpiece, and the character is annoying, AND HE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT ANYTHING. Aiming in GGO is all about your focus and your hearthbeat. So HEY LET'S SAY SHINON THAT I LOVE HER THE DAY BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT AND LET'S REPEAT IT AND INSIST JUST BEFORE THE FIGHT! Seriously, what kind of brain does this guy have? I cannot tell if he is supposed to be disliked by the author or not. If he is, then that's a job well done. Also, I may like silly things. Asuna/Kirito was silly at times, but it was still, at the very least, okay. Some pairings are VERY silly but still good. But Spiegel/Shinon? Not even close. The way it's silly isn't cute or endearing or anything. It justs make it look like the guy don't care about anything but his little love story, not even about the other person. Eek. I feel like this character will become very dislikable with time. Aenigma66 said: Boring episode :/ overall. Too much talking, to less action :v Had to laugh once though - tfw your healer's (brain)AFK. Also, the part with Spiegel and Sinon was awkward and rather uncomfortable to watch... I don't agree with the action's part because, well, GGO isn't action-focused; in fact even SAO wasn't really action-focused, so it's notthat much of a surprise. But what you say at the end? Yeah, definitely. I'm not even sure that the SCENE is awkward, just the character. Shinon look just as much ".......... Listen, guy, I'm trying to cope with my PTSD and the fact that I've killed a guy and *other things I would not say because it would be a spoiler*, so, uh, shut up and wait, and maybe, I don't know, SUPPORT ME?" as I was during this scene. This was just terrible, and the first time I did something else while watching the show during SAO2. Again, I'm not sure if this is badly done or if Spiegel was supposed to look like a creep. If he was, it's a success. |
willardhwrightAug 20, 2014 6:05 AM
Seriously, what kind of brain does this guy have? I cannot tell if he is supposed to be disliked by the author or not. If he is, then that's a job well done. The author has a tendency to make all males that aren't Kirito look like utter garbage in comparison. This is the authors main weakness really, he has no respect for any of his characters. |
hyperknees91 said: Seriously, what kind of brain does this guy have? I cannot tell if he is supposed to be disliked by the author or not. If he is, then that's a job well done. Hmm Once I saw something like that A guy told a girl "you make me crazy" before an exam, the result was kinda funny, but her grade wasn´t xD She felt stalked and shit The author has a tendency to make all males that aren't Kirito look like utter garbage in comparison. This is the authors main weakness really, he has no respect for any of his characters. You kinda right Though I think this is overlooked in Kayaba Akihiko (Really, I kinda like him and so for me is the best character the autor has ever created) and in |
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| Well Kayaba its more like....here is my overly cryptic villain character who I will spend literally 0 time on. Now cryptic characters can be well done, but I feel like...it was more just a case of him not knowing at all what he wanted to do with him. I'll agree that the concept surrounding him was semi-interesting, but the problem is the author didn't do anything with it. My favorite character is Sugou. He seems to be the only character who fits how childish the anime is despite its attempts at being serious. And he made me laugh, a lot actually (mad props to his voice actor for making such a terrible character funny as hell). |
| It's a bit slow at times, but the nurse scene was enjoyable. Pretty sure next episodes gonna be the finals with Kirito and Sinon. |
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| So Suguha found out about what Kirito has been doing in GGO and confronted him. Kirito should just tap that Suguha ass already... erm... never mind what I just said... Clearly it's Sinon's fault for misunderstanding Kirito gender and she clearly likes him, while that guy like her XD. Ohooo, he suddenly hugged and she rejected him until she solves her problems. Damn... poor Kirito is now having nightmares... Awwww, the nurse comforted Kirito :3 Rejected for the moment once again... lolo |
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Rolanddeschain said: hyperknees91 said: Hmm Once I saw something like that A guy told a girl "you make me crazy" before an exam, the result was kinda funny, but her grade wasn´t xD She felt stalked and shit The author has a tendency to make all males that aren't Kirito look like utter garbage in comparison. This is the authors main weakness really, he has no respect for any of his characters. You kinda right Though I think this is overlooked in Kayaba Akihiko (Really, I kinda like him and so for me is the best character the autor has ever created) and in Kayaba is a very good character because it is probably one of the most realistic sociopath I've seen in anime (well, he looks more like a strange mix of an autistic person and a sociopath more accurately, but whatever). It's pretty much impossible to say that the guy was really "evil" (which is something most people think for most sociopaths because of the TV, damn). It is just a genius who doesn't understand other humans, and trapped in the mindset of a 4 years old kid. And he even get better at the end, maybe because of Kirito and co. But the whole character was really about a kid trapped in an adult's body, that doesn't understand life, emotions, or other people, doesn't WANT TO hurt them, but just want his kid's dream to become true (unluckily, this includes causing people to die, but them dying wasn't the point, if it could have been avioided, it would.) He's surprisingly realistic in this, because it's one of the few "villain" that REALLY doesn't have any malice in him (which explains pretty much everything about the end of S1 and why Kirito """is okay""" with him but not Sugou, something most people apparently don't understand. It surprised me.). He is certainly one of my favorite characters in SAO as well. Because he evolve with time too, by observing humans during his time in SAO, and as I said because of how realistic he looks |
willardhwright said: Rolanddeschain said: You kinda right Though I think this is overlooked in Kayaba Akihiko (Really, I kinda like him and so for me is the best character the autor has ever created) and in Kayaba is a very good character because it is probably one of the most realistic sociopath I've seen in anime (well, he looks more like a strange mix of an autistic person and a sociopath more accurately, but whatever). It's pretty much impossible to say that the guy was really "evil" (which is something most people think for most sociopaths because of the TV, damn). It is just a genius who doesn't understand other humans, and trapped in the mindset of a 4 years old kid. And he even get better at the end, maybe because of Kirito and co. But the whole character was really about a kid trapped in an adult's body, that doesn't understand life, emotions, or other people, doesn't WANT TO hurt them, but just want his kid's dream to become true (unluckily, this includes causing people to die, but them dying wasn't the point, if it could have been avioided, it would.) He's surprisingly realistic in this, because it's one of the few "villain" that REALLY doesn't have any malice in him (which explains pretty much everything about the end of S1 and why Kirito """is okay""" with him but not Sugou, something most people apparently don't understand. It surprised me.). He is certainly one of my favorite characters in SAO as well. Because he evolve with time too, by observing humans during his time in SAO, and as I said because of how realistic he looks Kayaba is a sociopath, while Glasses was an obsessive psychopath. Sociopaths are genuinely more like machines than people. Did Kayaba hurt people? Sure. Would his actions be perceived as evil by those he hurt? Sure. But he has absolutely no interest in that. All the people for him were simply part of the world he created, no more no less. I don't even think what he did was "childish" in any way, the same drive, the same kind of obsession with your work can be seen in a lot of modern day programming geniuses. Kayaba's obsession about what he is creating simply had no limit of human empathy. Its far too easy in this situation to just turn someone like him into manic laughing evil guy, but SAO did NOT do that. SAO arc gave him quite peaceful exit and actual context behind his actions(half of which sadly was lost in adaptation) |
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| Each time i read "this chapter has no action" i do a huge facepalm. Sorry, but this is not SnK/AoT, so stop it. Also, people should know already that SAO is NOT about the actions, its about how games affect people irl, Kawahara said on an interview that he wrote SAO [web novel] back when videogames were blamed for violence. Ofc first season didn't have much of this, you had to read Progressive and SAO novels to get the whole point of characters' changes. |
| it was a okay ep but the next episode wil be better |
Fai said: willardhwright said: Kayaba is a very good character because it is probably one of the most realistic sociopath I've seen in anime (well, he looks more like a strange mix of an autistic person and a sociopath more accurately, but whatever). It's pretty much impossible to say that the guy was really "evil" (which is something most people think for most sociopaths because of the TV, damn). It is just a genius who doesn't understand other humans, and trapped in the mindset of a 4 years old kid. And he even get better at the end, maybe because of Kirito and co. But the whole character was really about a kid trapped in an adult's body, that doesn't understand life, emotions, or other people, doesn't WANT TO hurt them, but just want his kid's dream to become true (unluckily, this includes causing people to die, but them dying wasn't the point, if it could have been avioided, it would.) He's surprisingly realistic in this, because it's one of the few "villain" that REALLY doesn't have any malice in him (which explains pretty much everything about the end of S1 and why Kirito """is okay""" with him but not Sugou, something most people apparently don't understand. It surprised me.). He is certainly one of my favorite characters in SAO as well. Because he evolve with time too, by observing humans during his time in SAO, and as I said because of how realistic he looks Kayaba is a sociopath, while Glasses was an obsessive psychopath. Sociopaths are genuinely more like machines than people. Did Kayaba hurt people? Sure. Would his actions be perceived as evil by those he hurt? Sure. But he has absolutely no interest in that. All the people for him were simply part of the world he created, no more no less. I don't even think what he did was "childish" in any way, the same drive, the same kind of obsession with your work can be seen in a lot of modern day programming geniuses. Kayaba's obsession about what he is creating simply had no limit of human empathy. Its far too easy in this situation to just turn someone like him into manic laughing evil guy, but SAO did NOT do that. SAO arc gave him quite peaceful exit and actual context behind his actions(half of which sadly was lost in adaptation) Hey Fai, it's been a while, I guess the last time was on the steins;gate forum, though I'm not sure about it. Always happy to see that there are some people here that still try to think about a plot or to understand or the characters feel instead of judging too quickly. Yeah, that's kind of my point too. I used "childish" because it kind of fits with the archetype of the psychopathic manchild (there's a trope about this), which means that he does have the ""innocence"" (in the not-necessarily-positive meaning) of a child before he starts developing. As in, not understanding feeing, the value of another life, etc, like a kid to an animal. It probably comes from the whole "sociopath" thing, but it's this combined to the fact that he wanted his "imaginary world" to come true (something quite common with children) at the expense of the real one that reinforced the "childish" aspect to me And yeah, now that I have a kindle again I'll probably try to read the novel, if only for the first season, since it seems that pretty much every problem from S1 isn't in it. But that's a thing a liked about S1; I tend to dislike when people judge a character and just say "he's a monster" without even trying to understand its motives, or characters that are jut evil because... Well. They're evil, period, kind of like how they show Sugou. In a way, people with a mental illness are just as victim of this illness as everyone else, so judging them without trying to understand them is kind of like missing the point for me, and it also look less like a black-and-white villain because of this. You are "evil" because of your choices; if nature itself make it so that you don't really have the choice, can you really be a "villain", or should there be another word for it? Etc. I also liked that he apparently "matured" at least a bit at the end of SAO (which i pretty normal, even a sociopath can understand things; it just takes a conscious effort and work for it, that's what therapy are for), given his conversation with Kirito at the end of ALO, which seems a bit less.... "selfish" and isolated compared to before (I don't find any other word, you probably get the idea). His death was pretty much unavoidable, but I wish we could have seen the character a bit more, even moreso in the anime. |
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