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| the reason Sheele has super powers is intended to be due to her inability to do anything else, as shown on the restaurant flashbacks. If you are useless managing a kitchen (dropping the food plate) and cooking I don't see how you'd do well enough to have assassin super powers, since, those require good reflexes and equilibrium, something that if you have you wouldn't be so clumsy to the point of dropping the food plate and having inability to cook. That looks like a silly and contradicting excuse for a character to have super powers. Duri1n said: Oh yeah, can I just add that the Prime Minister, or whatever the main main antoganist guy who eats meat, is fucking annoying... he's just so obviously disgustingly evil...it's just so easy to hate him... and that makes me worried... I dunno abt the rest of u, but in most of the good movies or anime or books etc that I've liked, the bad guy is always one of my favourites, n they tend not to b too one dimensional... and this guy seems to b only evil. Actually, he seems pointlessly evil. It's like he's there purely bcos the plot requires one evil evil person. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say either, but he just doesn't seem like a good character atm... Whatever... I'll wait and see...  Raw meat |
| I'm just glad they reduced the "comedy". It really improved the past 2 episodes. |
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grave_robber said: The episode was good, but the show's losing me. Everyone's excited about Esdeath but I can't stand her. This series can be really good, they don't need to add fanservice and annoying anime cliches to make it interesting. I hope things get better soon. IKR I already hate her! How can anyone like someone who tortures people? |
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Duri1n said: I would say it's probably natural born talent. Very much like how when you play a basketball game in P.E. class and no one has ever played the game before, there's always a select few kids that are pretty good despite not never playing before. It's because they're athletic and have natural born talent. Sheele is probably the same way. In this world, everyone tends to have super human-like strength or at least the potential (this is a fantasy world after all), so we'll just say that every one is capable of such strength. So her being able to avoid attacks, being able to perform deadly strikes, and jump high is her natural talent. She just had a talent for it and that's why she became such a good assassin. I'll wait and see... Yes, you will. Just wait and see. Like many have said before, the one dimensional characters that have been introduced so far get more depth. Including the PM, surprising. |
LoomyTheBrewAug 5, 2014 10:23 PM
LoomtheBrew said: I can tell you this right now that Seryu is a very interesting character. As you saw, she has her own people that she cares about and she's pretty nice. She isn't like the other villains we've seen previously. She's fighting for her own goals and ideals, just like Night Raid. I thought that was pretty obvious, but apparently not. Oh well. And all I can say about Esdese is to not jump to conclusions. She's a sadist, but..... well, you'll see eventually. I don't hate Seryu so far. But Esdeath is disgusting. I don't care if she only got 20 seconds of screen time. She had bodies hanging and obviously tortures people. I don't care if she is "loving to her comrades" and all that other bullshit they will try to pull to try and make me like her. Anyone who tortures people is disgusting. The only thing that would stop me from completely hating her is if she is ONLY torturing people who are horrible people. But either way, she is mentally disturbed. |
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| A lot of people seem to be saying that the characters get more interesting. I really hope that is the case. I really hate to say this, but so far, I am finding the characters to be pretty weak. They are what is hurting the show so far. The villains are boring and half of the protagonists are not likable. I AM giving this series a chance. I'm hopeful that it will get better and that I will start to like the characters. I will have to wait and see... |
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| That ending screen time of Esdeath.... I nearly choked myself when I saw the naked man licking her boot... such...hobby/fetish??... |
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Nintendofan204 said: LoomtheBrew said: I can tell you this right now that Seryu is a very interesting character. As you saw, she has her own people that she cares about and she's pretty nice. She isn't like the other villains we've seen previously. She's fighting for her own goals and ideals, just like Night Raid. I thought that was pretty obvious, but apparently not. Oh well. And all I can say about Esdese is to not jump to conclusions. She's a sadist, but..... well, you'll see eventually. I don't hate Seryu so far. But Esdeath is disgusting. I don't care if she only got 20 seconds of screen time. She had bodies hanging and obviously tortures people. I don't care if she is "loving to her comrades" and all that other bullshit they will try to pull to try and make me like her. Anyone who tortures people is disgusting. The only thing that would stop me from completely hating her is if she is ONLY torturing people who are horrible people. But either way, she is mentally disturbed. That's the thing. She's a horrible person no matter how you look at it, but she has a lot of depth. Which makes her very likable later on. It's been a while since I've loved a sadistic and horrible person like Esdese. I mean people think Hisoka is crazy? Pfffff, he doesn't even hold a candle to Esdese (in terms of insanity)! Esdese is really something else. You'll see her character develop soonish (and you'll see just how terrifying she is). |
LoomyTheBrewAug 5, 2014 11:15 PM
Nintendofan204 said: When you see fans loving Esdesu, yet most of her character was just shown to you already and she's unimpressive for an antagonist, that should clue you in on the development the characters go through.A lot of people seem to be saying that the characters get more interesting. I really hope that is the case. I really hate to say this, but so far, I am finding the characters to be pretty weak. They are what is hurting the show so far. The villains are boring and half of the protagonists are not likable. I AM giving this series a chance. I'm hopeful that it will get better and that I will start to like the characters. I will have to wait and see... LoomyTheBrew said: Please point me to the doujin you're reading or is it in your head?She's a horrible person no matter how you look at it, but she has a lot of depth. |
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T3hSource said: LoomyTheBrew said: Please point me to the doujin you're reading or is it in your head?She's a horrible person no matter how you look at it, but she has a lot of depth. If you don't feel that way I'm sorry, but it's the damn truth. She has tons of depth and to deny that is just you being ridiculous, I wonder if you were even paying attention while reading the manga. Most manga readers would agree with me and you know it. Everyone knows that you hate this series, yet for some reason you stick around the discussion threads bashing on it whenever you can. Seriously, why stick around somewhere that's just constantly pissing you off? Unless, you enjoy enraging people and putting down everyone that likes the show? |
Jonesy974 said: Mikatarukito said: Reason why I tend to read Manga when a series grasps my attention. People on MAL can't shut up. Well, not everyone reads manga anyway. rip 2k14 for all you anime fans since AgK has a poor fan base. Their lips are as loose as a prostitute vagina, fuck. Not all of them though. Also people who tell others that they're spoiling are just as bad :) Yeah the art kind of sucks. Animation as well. Episode 1 & 4 had good art and animation but that was probably due to White Fox spending their budget on those episodes. All I can pretty much say is stay tune for next weeks episode, judging from the preview that is. I'll keep my lips sealed for now and appear next week. inb4 spoilers appear v v v How bout you don't click on the fucking spoiler tag then if you don't want spoilers? Holy shit that idea was hard to come up with. I wasn't planning on talking until next weeks episode but man this comment made me laugh.. A lot. How thick and ignorant can you be? I've read the manga, it's even on my profiles favourite manga section.. I know what happens you tard I'm just speaking for the anime viewers.. There is no need for spoilers if this is a "Anime only" discussion, right? So get your facts right before trying to act like the smart guy. |
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| This anime right here should win comedy of the year. It's so funny. That girl can barely see without glasses and she fumbles while doing anything but yet she's such a skilled killer. Hopefully Esdeath has more to her character than just being a sadist. Overall it was the 2nd episode that I liked from this show. its sad because i feel like these thread's are mostly manga readers hyped for every episode at this point (which probably disappoints newcomers when they realize the anime episodes aren't actually that amazing), and its hard for anime watchers to enjoy discussing anything besides the obligatory ecchi scenes |
sullynathanAug 6, 2014 1:18 AM
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| It was ok for me I guess but imo this episode was better than the last 4 episodes which I found pretty dull |
LoomyTheBrew said: Duri1n said: I would say it's probably natural born talent. Very much like how when you play a basketball game in P.E. class and no one has ever played the game before, there's always a select few kids that are pretty good despite not never playing before. It's because they're athletic and have natural born talent. Sheele is probably the same way. In this world, everyone tends to have super human-like strength or at least the potential (this is a fantasy world after all), so we'll just say that every one is capable of such strength. So her being able to avoid attacks, being able to perform deadly strikes, and jump high is her natural talent. She just had a talent for it and that's why she became such a good assassin. Are you kidding me man? You are telling him and us to just take the material as it is shown without critique. The little justification you have there is silly, I am sorry to say. I don't know how much sports you have played, but tall men who get on basketball court for the first time cannot even properly dunk while running. Even something that simple needs a some practice and proper hand to eye coordination. This character is someone with a very poor control over her own body according to the mangaka. I do not understand why you don't want to acknowledge it as a negative and reflect it on Mangaka/Creator's potential. Now you have also said that some chick in this series is going to be a more sinister villain than Hisoka. You have set the bar pretty high my friend, something tells me many will disagree on that by the end. Based on the body of work of this show's creators and well as the story writer, I seriously doubt if they are intelligent enough to show us a complex character, let alone Hisoka level. |
jonnyhan said: Are you kidding me man? You are telling him and us to just take the material as it is shown without critique. He said "I would say its probably", read man. Its a suggestion. And in fact, I agree with Loomy, there are always a few people who are better than others at one thing even having not done it before. E.g the example of the PE class. And why are you comparing someone from AgK to Hisoka from HxH? LOL! You also say she has poor control over her own body and yet can perform those moves, yes she is depicted as clumsy, however people can change depending on the circumstances. It could possibly be the activity itself, maybe if one likes activity A more than activity B, the person would perform differently/better. E.g I could be slow at running, but fast when playing ball. |
LoomyTheBrew said: T3hSource said: Please point me to the doujin you're reading or is it in your head? If you don't feel that way I'm sorry, but it's the damn truth. She has tons of depth and to deny that is just you being ridiculous, I wonder if you were even paying attention while reading the manga. Most manga readers would agree with me and you know it. Everyone knows that you hate this series, yet for some reason you stick around the discussion threads bashing on it whenever you can. Seriously, why stick around somewhere that's just constantly pissing you off? Unless, you enjoy enraging people and putting down everyone that likes the show? You're dodging the question. You still didn't explain whats so special about esdese. |
LoomyTheBrew said: I am challenging your subjective perception of a character which I think is superficial, you're not refuting that point.T3hSource said: If you don't feel that way I'm sorry, but it's the damn truth. She has tons of depth and to deny that is just you being ridiculous, I wonder if you were even paying attention while reading the manga. Most manga readers would agree with me and you know it. Everyone knows that you hate this series, yet for some reason you stick around the discussion threads bashing on it whenever you can. Seriously, why stick around somewhere that's just constantly pissing you off? Unless, you enjoy enraging people and putting down everyone that likes the show?Please point me to the doujin you're reading or is it in your head? Heck even I,DIO as one dimensional as a character can be, is still a more fun and memorable antagonist. Resorting to ad populum does not support your argument, you are looking for the mass' opinion instead of your own. And to address the ad hominem aka my undying passionate hatred for this series, maybe you should check what I've posted about the last 2 episodes. As to why I'm doing this? It's decent mental practice. |
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| What's this? The first episode I can't reasonably make fun of? Miracles do exist. Sheele made a really good first impression and I like how her back story was more about discovering her affinity to killing rather than another "woe is me" tragedy. That bonding scene when Tatsumi was mourning his friends again was much appreciated over the mood killing cat girl. Although the name Esdeath wasn't new to me (thanks to manga readers constantly orgasming about her in every episode discussion), I was pretty shocked at how brutal she is. I see she spares no expense at humiliation and sadism. So the effects of Night Raid's assassinations is finally starting to surface with the appearance of this new girl. I won't jump up and suddenly say "woah moral ambiguity so deep", but I'm glad that it's finally starting to push past the one dimensional villains. I'm sure people will complain about how the X-ray vision scene made this episode a 1/5 despite getting off to High School DxD, but this episode has way too many pros to make me care about the gimmick. |
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-Riptide- said: Oh boy.What's so impressive about Esdeath anyway? From what I gathered from the forums she's just Well I'll probably see in the upcoming episodes. Now the reason people are excited about her is obvious -_- |
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| YeS! can't wait to see Esdeath in battle against the Night Raid :D |
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Botato said: -Riptide- said: Oh boy.What's so impressive about Esdeath anyway? From what I gathered from the forums she's just Well I'll probably see in the upcoming episodes. Now the reason people are excited about her is obvious -_- Yup. The word fits her well. |
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yellowmumba said: why is this chinese cartoon so edgy Troll sighted. |
yellowmumba said: why is this chinese cartoon so edgy Should we ignore him............................@3@ |
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Fullmetal89 said: -Riptide- said: What's so impressive about Esdeath anyway? From what I gathered from the forums she's just Well I'll probably see in the upcoming episodes. I think that's basically why people like her. It's refreshing to see a character like that once in a while. It's also a nice contrast to the obnoxious tsundere and the other stereotype characters in the manga Botato said: -Riptide- said: Oh boy.What's so impressive about Esdeath anyway? From what I gathered from the forums she's just Well I'll probably see in the upcoming episodes. Now the reason people are excited about her is obvious -_- That's exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully this Esdeath isn't as annoying as her. |
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| Oh man I loved this episode!. I can't wait for to see Esdeath back in the capital, she so badass. Looks like there are gonna be some crazy fights in the next episode. By the way, I found this youtube channel that covered this anime and some other ones. Looks, new but its pretty good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cc0WZnBIs&list=UU6HUAjzE2TZwJf3W2eWE9qQ |
hivekiller said: Botato said: Oh boy. Now the reason people are excited about her is obvious -_- Yup. The word fits her well. -Riptide- said: That's exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully this Esdeath isn't as annoying as her. Yeah ok, she's a very good candidate for my shit list now. |
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-Riptide- said: Fullmetal89 said: I think that's basically why people like her. It's refreshing to see a character like that once in a while. It's also a nice contrast to the obnoxious tsundere and the other stereotype characters in the manga Botato said: Oh boy. Now the reason people are excited about her is obvious -_- That's exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully this Esdeath isn't as annoying as her. -Riptide- said: Fullmetal89 said: I think that's basically why people like her. It's refreshing to see a character like that once in a while. It's also a nice contrast to the obnoxious tsundere and the other stereotype characters in the manga Botato said: Oh boy. Now the reason people are excited about her is obvious -_- That's exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully this Esdeath isn't as annoying as her. Different type of annoying. |
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Botato said: hivekiller said: Yup. The word fits her well. -Riptide- said: That's exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully this Esdeath isn't as annoying as her. Yeah ok, she's a very good candidate for my shit list now. I love how you let someone else shape your perception of her. She's nowhere near as bad as Yuno. |
| I don't really think she can be close to as bad as Yuno, there's no chance actually. But just being something similar almost guarantees that I will not like her. |
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kikohunter said: I agree with some parts in here, but it sounds really ironic when I read it and then read your sig "anime is dying thanks to its pathetic fanbase in Japan."It's rather simple like others have said this show isn't a masterpiece, it's not amazingly well written or anything of the sort. It's just pure FUN, reminder that you don't need the story of the millenium to be entertained by something. Reminder that you don't need amazing character development or really well written chracters to enjoy something. If you want to enjoy AgK, just turn your brain off and go with the flow that's it. You don't have to overthink anything or everything, if you want to play critic or feel the need to analyze every second of a show then just stop watching AgK and go enjoy some other anime. |
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| Now we're comparing Esdese to Yuno? Wtf? They're not even remotely similar. Jesus christ. Stop that bullshit before it goes out of control. Regarding the writing of the show or whatever, it's written good enough and it's not "turn off your brain and fun." If that's the case, I can say that about every show. "Turn off your brain and have fun!" This isn't a Marvel Superhero movie, it pisses me off when people tell me that I have to be braindead to enjoy this series and that's just not true. What are you guys, majors in Creative Writing? The series is much more than that imo. The what's happening now is that everyone is criticizing every element of the show to a tee, very similar to what happens to SAO and it's rather stupid. This is a shounen with a straight-forward plot for the most part, but does that diminish the overall quality of the show? Not at all. The characters, the action, and the events going on are all amazing. What gets me is that people will criticize something like SAO and AgK, and then when another show does it, it's all nice and dandy. Double Standards, I hate that shit. EDIT: Anyways, I'm judging this all from a manga reader perspective, so it might be hard to grasp for some anime-watchers. But I think my point still stands regardless. |
LoomyTheBrewAug 6, 2014 11:24 AM
LoomyTheBrew said: Honestly, the primary reason people are criticizing this show is exactly because of the fanboys' hyping. If people weren't praising this so much, rest assured most people would watch the way they're supposed to (and how other posters pointed out earlier), with your brain turned off. There are other very mediocre shows on the same level that people rarely bat an eye to criticize as they're doing with AkG. If the fans weren't pretending this show is something else than it is I doubt people would be as critic about it.Now we're comparing Esdese to Yuno? Wtf? They're not even remotely similar. Jesus christ. Stop that bullshit before it goes out of control. LoomyTheBrew said: And this is what I'm talking about, if you and the other fans want to say that this anime is something above what it actually is, go ahead, but don't expect people to pat your head and ignore criticizing it for not being what the fans tell it is.Regarding the writing of the show or whatever, it's written good enough and it's not "turn off your brain and fun." If that's the case, I can say that about every show. "Turn off your brain and have fun!" This isn't a Marvel Superhero movie, it pisses me off when people tell me that I have to be braindead to enjoy this series and that's just not true. What are you guys, majors in Creative Writing? The series is much more than that imo. Since episode 1, the manga readers have been posting promises on how the show will get good, how the writing will get above mediocre, and how the characters will be less shallow, but we're 5 episodes in and there are still promises to be found. Naturally people will call on others for making such promises. B-but it will get good, k-keep watching. LoomyTheBrew said: The characters, and the events getting surprising or depthful is another of these promises that we are yet to spectate. Since you're a mangareader and is presumably talking about the manga on your post, you might at least understand the critics for what the anime is atm, whether the show will really satisfy these expectations later on is something that might change on the future but not at this point.The what's happening now is that everyone is criticizing every element of the show to a tee, very similar to what happens to SAO and it's rather stupid. This is a shounen with a straight-forward plot for the most part, but does that diminish the overall quality of the show? Not at all. The characters, the action, and the events going on are all amazing. Since most of these promises are tied to Esdeath, and we have yet to see what's good about her there's still a big room for them to be met. Thus, this part of your post should be brought when that happens, and if that really happens. |
T3hSource said: First off, we can't talk about Esdese's character here on this forum since it's the anime thread. If you really want to talk about it, let's go to the manga thread. Second, this conversation will go nowhere because you hate pretty every show you've watched. Have you taken a look at your anime list? Lol! Seriously, I don't trust your opinion on what makes a character have depth because you've pretty much down played every show you've watched. You're being overly critical and you know it. It makes me wonder how you sit through shows, harp on it, and not even enjoy it. How about jsut watching shows that actually interest you? Third, I've read your comments since second episode. You hate this show and you're sticking around because of "mental practice" is fucking lame ass excuse. You're here just to blindly hating the show! It's so simple! |
LoomyTheBrewAug 6, 2014 11:44 AM
Villa-Lobos said: You know what, I can live this. You're probably right for the most part. For now on, I'm just not going to say anything and let things ride out. Seriously, this is just like Plato's Allegory of the Cave. I'm trying to explain something that people have not seen. So I'm just going to shut up and let people say what they want, and let it play out (unless we're talking about the actual episode). Except if it's like "Yuno = Esdese" because that's just not true. Anyways I'm done, I won't talk about the future anymore and let people see for themselves. I've said my piece. |
LoomyTheBrewAug 6, 2014 11:47 AM
kikohunter said: It's rather simple like others have said this show isn't a masterpiece, it's not amazingly well written or anything of the sort. It's just pure FUN, reminder that you don't need the story of the millenium to be entertained by something. Reminder that you don't need amazing character development or really well written chracters to enjoy something. If you want to enjoy AgK, just turn your brain off and go with the flow that's it. You don't have to overthink anything or everything, if you want to play critic or feel the need to analyze every second of a show then just stop watching AgK and go enjoy some other anime. Admittedly I think my main problem with AgK turned into a snowball effect that just made it amusing to poke fun at things I normally don't really pay heed to. The past couple of episodes have been doing much better with the tone and its use of gore/graphic images. Personally I see gore as something that should be taken seriously and when it's glorified just for shock factor's sake it becomes one of the lowest forms of servicing, similar to rape stories in hentai. When you have people getting their limbs torn off and throats slashed one moment and then chibi girl acting cute in the next, it really throws it off balance and comes off as "look how extreme I am guys xD!" But with that said, it feels like the gore-service is diminishing and this episode made much better use of its graphic content. |
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LeFlower-kun said: jonnyhan said: Are you kidding me man? You are telling him and us to just take the material as it is shown without critique. He said "I would say its probably", read man. Its a suggestion. And in fact, I agree with Loomy, there are always a few people who are better than others at one thing even having not done it before. E.g the example of the PE class. And why are you comparing someone from AgK to Hisoka from HxH? LOL! You also say she has poor control over her own body and yet can perform those moves, yes she is depicted as clumsy, however people can change depending on the circumstances. It could possibly be the activity itself, maybe if one likes activity A more than activity B, the person would perform differently/better. E.g I could be slow at running, but fast when playing ball. Here on planet Earth people do not step into something with zero experience and all of a sudden compete with the good ones for that age group, let alone grown men, it never happens. Some can get very good at it within a short time because of their natural abilities, but nobody walks into something and is good right off the bat. I would have agreed with him and you if you were saying "its just a mediocre anime for teens", don't take it seriously. But no, he in a different post has again said that is not the case. I can see a person lacking the mental barriers to kill, but that is not the only case here. I did not compare her to Hisoka, the guy I responded to (Loomy) did (read man). Trust me, I know better, I am intelligent enough to not compare any part of this mediocre at best show to that GEM of an anime written by genius Togashi. |
Villa-Lobos said: Honestly, the primary reason people are criticizing this show is exactly because of the fanboys' hyping. If people weren't praising this so much, rest assured most people would watch the way they're supposed to (and how other posters pointed out earlier), with your brain turned off. There are other very mediocre shows on the same level that people rarely bat an eye to criticize as they're doing with AkG. If the fans weren't pretending this show is something else than it is I doubt people would be as critic about it. I kindaaaaa agree with you that the fans are the ones who actually brought this upon themselves with the over-hype. still the amount of criticism here is excessive and unnecessary for a show that meant to be a mindless fun one. and here i thought a fanboy/girl praising something above its actual worth was common knowledge. |
jonnyhan said: I can't change your opinion if you think this is a mediocre show for teens. I can only say that I highly disagree with you. That's all. And btw, your opinion is just as valid as mine, hate to break it to you. Also I compared Hisoka and Esdese's insanity levels, nothing more. And I said that Esdese blows him out of the water when it comes to being absolutely insane. If you can't live that then I don't know what to tell ya. |
jonnyhan said: Here on planet Earth people do not step into something with zero experience and all of a sudden compete with the good ones for that age group, let alone grown men, it never happens. Some can get very good at it within a short time because of their natural abilities, but nobody walks into something and is good right off the bat. I would have agreed with him and you if you were saying "its just a mediocre anime for teens", don't take it seriously. And here on planet earth we don't get Nen abilities no matter how hard we train and we can't kamehameha people... jonnyhan said: I did not compare her to Hisoka, the guy I responded to (Loomy) did (read man). Trust me, I know better, I am intelligent enough to not compare any part of this mediocre at best show to that GEM of an anime written by genius Togashi. What your doing is actually worse... your comparing shounen characters to real life people. |
| I haven't watched the episode yet but read the manga. So can someone please tell me how they are pronouncing Esdese-sama's name? I always call her ACDC but that is probably bullshit. |
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RevolverSnake said: I haven't watched the episode yet but read the manga. So can someone please tell me how they are pronouncing Esdese-sama's name? I always call her ACDC but that is probably bullshit. when using the official name I pronounce it Ezdeath |
| Holy shit, I misinterpreted the subs at the start and thought that the hero of the north was the ice user. I was so shocked to see him licking that general's foot. |
Darklight0303 said: ] when using the official name I pronounce it Ezdeath I pronounce it the same way. "Ezdeath" The VAs in the show say it the same too. |
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