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Wind_God_Girl said: KazukiTachibana said: How are you guys eating this shit up? This episode was awful. Inaho continues to be boring as hell. They (the animation studio) spent 1.5 episodes dicking around showing just how OP Mars is when it could have been done in half an episode. Out of a 12 episode season, 2 have already been absolutely wasted -- time is really valuable if you don't have the luxury of spending episodes like it's DBZ, and it's a shame they don't know how to pace better. I really hope episode 3 is better, or I'll be dropping this like a rock. I heard it's going to be split 2 cour, so we get 24 episodes in total, just like Valvrave. I hope to god that's true. I mean, it still doesn't excuse poor pacing but... |
KazukiTachibanaJul 14, 2014 2:27 AM
| Very good episode. Inaho's character is mysterious, I'm sure there's a reason to why he's apathetic to everything related to death (maybe of because his past), but we'll eventually get to it later. It leaves a big opportunity for future character developments. The fights are awesome and although it's pretty much one-sided, it doesn't feel boring at all (that Lt.Marito is a badass). The CGI feels awkward in the beginning, but it gets better as I adapt to it. And the music... it's purely genius. OP, ED, BGM, SFX, all awesome. EDIT: Okojo didn't even get to show up in the OP. Poor guy. |
Reim_SeranthJul 14, 2014 2:33 AM
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| "Hurr.. Durr.. I hate CGI, hurr.. Durr.. better give it a 6/10" Fuck y'all!! You give an absurd anime about trapars, some air wave and sky fish a >8.20 And when a decent mech anime like shidonia no kishi and this comes along you give it a <8.20 Wha the fuck is wrong with you guys |
Toaki90Jul 14, 2014 6:15 AM
| "Burn the heretics" |
| Ugh, is it too much to ask to give the bad guys at least some shred of morality? It makes me cringe how blatantly evil they are. Also, that ugly and choppy CG is terrible. |
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Saeedpoppa said: Ugh, is it too much to ask to give the bad guys at least some shred of morality? It makes me cringe how blatantly evil they are. Also, that ugly and choppy CG is terrible. It is only natural Since the bad guy intentionally send their princess to the earth to get killed just so they have a reason to invade earth I don't think these kind of people have a slightest shred of morality |
| "Burn the heretics" |
Toaki90 said: Saeedpoppa said: Ugh, is it too much to ask to give the bad guys at least some shred of morality? It makes me cringe how blatantly evil they are. Also, that ugly and choppy CG is terrible. It is only natural Since the bad guy intentionally send their princess to the earth to get killed just so they have a reason to invade earth I don't think these kind of people have a slightest shred of morality But that's not how real people are; real people are deep and dynamic and not just a one-dimensional portrayal of "Evil" etc. etc. -- good writing will reflect this and it's naive and harmful to protect this poor practice. For example, One Piece's Mr. 2 is down right detestable when he's introduced as an enemy, but down the road you discover that he's really a not so bad guy who ends up sacrificing himself for the Straw Hats. |
KazukiTachibana said: Toaki90 said: It is only natural Since the bad guy intentionally send their princess to the earth to get killed just so they have a reason to invade earth I don't think these kind of people have a slightest shred of morality But that's not how real people are; real people are deep and dynamic and not just a one-dimensional portrayal of "Evil" etc. etc. -- good writing will reflect this and it's naive and harmful to protect this poor practice. For example, One Piece's Mr. 2 is down right detestable when he's introduced as an enemy, but down the road you discover that he's really a not so bad guy who ends up sacrificing himself for the Straw Hats. You see.. These people WANTED to kill human to overtake the earth They are not told by some evil aristocrat or king or leader To kill human is thier goal, maybe they are indoctrinate that earthing are insect/enemy Look at that blond dude who serve the princess He has doubt about killing human because he is being told, not his will |
| "Burn the heretics" |
KazukiTachibana said: How are you guys eating this shit up? This episode was awful. Inaho continues to be boring as hell. They (the animation studio) spent 1.5 episodes dicking around showing just how OP Mars is when it could have been done in half an episode. Out of a 12 episode season, 2 have already been absolutely wasted -- time is really valuable if you don't have the luxury of spending episodes like it's DBZ, and it's a shame they don't know how to pace better. I really hope episode 3 is better, or I'll be dropping this like a rock. A show with superior world building but no action in the first few episodes: "shity show no action whai..wtf they waste teh eps andz we has no see actoin" A show with superior world building and filled with action: "wtf so mach actoin we has no time for develops teh peicing jezuz" To think I will have to discuss with people who share the same thought process as the above synergic statements for the next 10 episodes AND perhaps for the next cour... I think I might as well troll around, too much shit to digest. Atleast back up your statements. The show is an anime original and the story flows nicely, where on earth did you find the pacing inconsistent? .[/quote] I actually didn't make a comment at all about the action, but rather the poor use of time to not move the plot along. For example, at then end of episode one, as the castle drops in America, we see a mushroom cloud that vaporizes not only the citizens on the bridge, but also a massive portion of the city itself, if not the entire city. The important question to ask here when being critical is what this scene serves to do and if it does it well in the time that it takes to do it -- obviously, it's there to display the massive power that Martians possess. Great. Moving on to episode 2: They proceed to waste another 5 minutes showing the other nations fighting back, only to get totally and utterly destroyed -- great, more displays of the power gap. 9 minutes in: Great! The princess is still alive, huzzah! Now the plot will move along. 11 minutes until the end of the episode: Nope, plot movement slows down to a crawl as the developers feel that it's necessary to now show the Japanese squads getting obliterated to demonstrate the power gap -- yes, Mars has powerful weapons! We get it. Sure, Inaho's "friend" dies (and Inaho disturbingly seems to care little about it), but that all happens in the last minute of the episode. We could have seen much more plot movement and character growth had the cut out the other nations getting their asses handed and be well on our way to something interesting happening. tl;dr -- bad pacing because they waste time on explosions instead of getting people where they need to be. If you want an example of a series with great pacing and action, go watch Sidonia no Kishi. |
Toaki90 said: KazukiTachibana said: But that's not how real people are; real people are deep and dynamic and not just a one-dimensional portrayal of "Evil" etc. etc. -- good writing will reflect this and it's naive and harmful to protect this poor practice. For example, One Piece's Mr. 2 is down right detestable when he's introduced as an enemy, but down the road you discover that he's really a not so bad guy who ends up sacrificing himself for the Straw Hats. You see.. These people WANTED to kill human to overtake the earth They are not told by some evil aristocrat or king or leader To kill human is thier goal, maybe they are indoctrinate that earthing are insect/enemy Look at that blond dude who serve the princess He has doubt about killing human because he is being told, not his will Let me present you with a scenario using Aldnoah: The Mars terrorists attempted to assassinate the Princess in order to attain Knighthood and become Nobles. Now, what if I told you that the driving motivator was to become nobles so that they can attain a position where they might be able to afford to pay for the medical bills to cure the cancer that was eating away at a child or spouse back home at Mars? Not a perfect example, but it immediately adds another aspect to a seemingly one-dimensional character. Because people don't get up one morning and think to themselves "Gee, I sure feel like being evil today for evil's sake -- let's go on a massacre!" |
KazukiTachibana said: Toaki90 said: You see.. These people WANTED to kill human to overtake the earth They are not told by some evil aristocrat or king or leader To kill human is thier goal, maybe they are indoctrinate that earthing are insect/enemy Look at that blond dude who serve the princess He has doubt about killing human because he is being told, not his will Let me present you with a scenario using Aldnoah: The Mars terrorists attempted to assassinate the Princess in order to attain Knighthood and become Nobles. Now, what if I told you that the driving motivator was to become nobles so that they can attain a position where they might be able to afford to pay for the medical bills to cure the cancer that was eating away at a child or spouse back home at Mars? Not a perfect example, but it immediately adds another aspect to a seemingly one-dimensional character. Because people don't get up one morning and think to themselves "Gee, I sure feel like being evil today for evil's sake -- let's go on a massacre!" Doubleposting |
| For some reason the mecha reminds me of Full Metal Panic! and i am loving the excellent OST and that ending song :). |
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srwgfan said: There's a vague semblance in design aesthetic, especially with how the Earth Cataphracts and the Gernsback's in FMP are stricyly humanoid and only use upscaled conventional weaponry.For some reason the mecha reminds me of Full Metal Panic! The Mars cataphracts also give a similar vibe to the supersized Behemoth. There's also the comparable superscience X-factor with the Aldnoah powers and FMP's Lamda drivers. |
| Princess Asseylum holding up the gun at the end of the OP...hmmm |
| Please nerf the Martian kataphrakts; too OP. |
WhiteWing13 said: SleepyBear said: Princess Asseylum holding up the gun at the end of the OP...hmmm She has a dark side. She'll turn out to be a more realistic Lacus Clyne. Relena Peacecraft was also wielding a gun at some episode. |
| I really like the OST but the CG is really terrible |
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Pheneks said: No, they're cool like that.Please nerf the Martian kataphrakts; too OP. But please buff Earth's pathetic weaponry, I am an earthling and I'm offended! |
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| Looks like the Terrans need a freaking Gundam to fight those OP martians. Also, I love the opening. Kalafina <3 |
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| This show has been enjoyable so far. If highly trained mech pilots couldn't do anything what can a couple of teenagers hope to accomplish. Hope it doesn't go a certain route I'm predicting it always ruins mech anime for me. |
| God damn, this is definitely a smart anime. An incredibly smart first move by the martians to destroy communications. Even the small detail where the MC told his friend to brake for lose the slightest bit of weight from the robot excited me. This show is tied for first with Zankyou no Terror. |
| Anything with Urobochi and Kalafina will never disapoint :3 |
| Much better than the previous episode. A bit one-sided though. Awe, you can see the love brewing between the princess and the hero... |
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| Great stuff! This looks like will be one of those one helluva rides! Inaho is already turning out to be a badass protagonist. Go Earthjins! Animation A+ Protagonists A+ Background Music A+ OP and ED Soundtracks A+ 5/5 and definitely a must watch of this season! |
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citizen169 said: Not bad so far. Pretty enjoyable. The CG doesn't bother me. OP was awesome. I'm a bit worried about the pacing...its 2 episodes in (out of 12)...and it feels like it just started (yes technically it did just start but the story is moving too slow). I heard this was going to be 2 cour (another 12 ep season after this one). is this true or just a rumor? Thank god I'm not the only one worrying about the pacing. |
KazukiTachibana said: citizen169 said: Not bad so far. Pretty enjoyable. The CG doesn't bother me. OP was awesome. I'm a bit worried about the pacing...its 2 episodes in (out of 12)...and it feels like it just started (yes technically it did just start but the story is moving too slow). I heard this was going to be 2 cour (another 12 ep season after this one). is this true or just a rumor? Thank god I'm not the only one worrying about the pacing. 24 episodes, 2 12 episode cours. Pacing is fine. |
| Thoughts: Lol they just wiped out the entire Earth Communications grid. Always remember to do that, alien invaders. Martians OP. Though Its kinda boring to watch an anime where one side just gets wiped out. Kinda absurd though that the Martians think they're all better than people from Earth just because they have better mechs and tech. Its only been what? Like 1 generation between the separatist Mars movement and the war? Then again Humanity's history has been filled with such things. Still I guess this is a slightly more realistic portrayal of a vastly technologically superior foe going against humanity than the typical mecha series. LOL Shield Arrays on the Martian Fighter? Hax. Hehe. Oh look, planted Martian terrorists. And that's why I'm not a fan of hardliners in any military and society. You eventually get used as pawns and seen as easily disposable. *sigh* Hmm...I wonder if the MC was some sort of experimental subject before. These stoic characters typically have such back stories hehe. |
ex_necross said: KazukiTachibana said: Thank god I'm not the only one worrying about the pacing. 24 episodes, 2 12 episode cours. Pacing is fine. 2 of the first set of 12 episodes have been dedicated to nothing but the Martians roflstomping Earth -- it's been a giant, boring, Martian circle-jerk. A properly paced series would have not only introduced the "Underdog Uber Unit," but also would have gone through the short counter attack "omg with this unit we might be able to beat them" phase. NettoAzure said: Martians OP. Though Its kinda boring to watch an anime where one side just gets wiped out. Right? More explosions =/= better show (Take a hint, Michael Bay). There's a problem if I'm watching on 2x speed just to find a point where the plot starts moving again. |
ex_necross said: KazukiTachibana said: 2 of the first set of 12 episodes have been dedicated to nothing but the Martians roflstomping Earth -- it's been a giant, boring, Martian circle-jerk. A properly paced series would have not only introduced the "Underdog Uber Unit," but also would have gone through the short counter attack "omg with this unit we might be able to beat them" phase. Right? More explosions =/= better show (Take a hint, Michael Bay). There's a problem if I'm watching on 2x speed just to find a point where the plot starts moving again. /a/ is that way >>> If you don't like it, don't watch it. This is a discussion forum; not a "Let's all sing praises about Aldnoah" forum -- I'm allowed to express my opinions on Aldnoah, whether they be favourable or not, and am allowed to elaborate upon them. |
| Holy moly, that's masterpiece! Ost, battles, characters, everything is awesome. I hope it will get 24 ep, cuz plot is going too slow i think. |
| Let justice be done, though the heavens fall. |
| that ep was..a true waste of time |
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HenryChrist said: that ep was..a true waste of time I know, right? Still, I like the art direction and mech design. There's a lot of potential here for a great series. |
| When the music kicked in I was like “Oh, this reminds me of Guilty Crown's soundtrack.” Then I Googled it and yep, it's the same composer who worked on Guilty Crown, Kill la Kill and Attack on Titan. I really like the style of this anime, and the second episode was action-packed so I'm happy. In contrast, Argevollen's mecha designs and animation isn't as appealing to me. |
| This MC doesn't give a flying fuck about what's going on, pisses me off. His homie just got sucked in by that pimpmobile and he just stands there The episode had action, but they forgot about moving the plot. |
| Okay, for anyone complaining about the first 2 episodes basically just roflstomping earthlings, did you guys even watch the episode? I mean oh you know... - the part where they introduce the characters and hints on the alternate universe's history. - the part where the princess was 'assassinated' - the exposition part on vers political status - the actual part where earth got roflstomped (new orleans+ early part of ep 2) - the part where they show off the antagonist main mechas (included in the roflstomp part so it's actually pretty important) - the part where it hints that our MC has autism or some kind of mental disease - the part where it shows that the princess was alive - the exposition part that Slaine is still a normal human being - the exposition part where the terrorist group was revealed to be Vers - the fact that the terrorst dad's little daughter survive - another part where earthlings got roflstomped again although it last quite short - the part where our MC outsmart the OP mecha - MC's dead friend part and his resolve to revenge I don't know about you guys, but it looks like the pacing was perfect. Maybe they went a little overboard with the roflstomp part but it's almost not a problem. |
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| I need you to explain these parts please Wind_God_Girl said: - the part where they introduce the characters and hints on the alternate universe's history. - the exposition part on vers political status - the part where it hints that our MC has autism or some kind of mental disease - the fact that the terrorst dad's little daughter survive - the part where our MC outsmart the OP mecha |
Wind_God_Girl said: Okay, for anyone complaining about the first 2 episodes basically just roflstomping earthlings, did you guys even watch the episode? I mean oh you know... - the part where they introduce the characters and hints on the alternate universe's history. - the part where the princess was 'assassinated' - the exposition part on vers political status - the actual part where earth got roflstomped (new orleans+ early part of ep 2) - the part where they show off the antagonist main mechas (included in the roflstomp part so it's actually pretty important) - the part where it hints that our MC has autism or some kind of mental disease - the part where it shows that the princess was alive - the exposition part that Slaine is still a normal human being - the exposition part where the terrorist group was revealed to be Vers - the fact that the terrorst dad's little daughter survive - another part where earthlings got roflstomped again although it last quite short - the part where our MC outsmart the OP mecha - MC's dead friend part and his resolve to revenge I don't know about you guys, but it looks like the pacing was perfect. Maybe they went a little overboard with the roflstomp part but it's almost not a problem. While there is some truth to some of your points, the problem lies with the disproportionate amount of time spent addressing some very important plot points to the amount of time spent showing off how big Mars's Military Peen is -- I feel that they spent more time with the latter than the former (which is a shame, since there's a lot of potential in everything but Martians OP). |
Wind_God_Girl said: Okay, for anyone complaining about the first 2 episodes basically just roflstomping earthlings, did you guys even watch the episode? I mean oh you know... - the part where they introduce the characters and hints on the alternate universe's history. - the part where the princess was 'assassinated' - the exposition part on vers political status - the actual part where earth got roflstomped (new orleans+ early part of ep 2) - the part where they show off the antagonist main mechas (included in the roflstomp part so it's actually pretty important) - the part where it hints that our MC has autism or some kind of mental disease - the part where it shows that the princess was alive - the exposition part that Slaine is still a normal human being - the exposition part where the terrorist group was revealed to be Vers - the fact that the terrorst dad's little daughter survive - another part where earthlings got roflstomped again although it last quite short - the part where our MC outsmart the OP mecha - MC's dead friend part and his resolve to revenge I don't know about you guys, but it looks like the pacing was perfect. Maybe they went a little overboard with the roflstomp part but it's almost not a problem. Most of the things you have listed have been done before and in much better ways. The pacing was not perfect as I have no idea what any of the names of the characters are besides Slaine and Inaho when in Mobile Suit Gundam, the first gundam series, I knew all I needed to know about the main character, the main villain, the situation they were in, and even got a battle sequence, all in the first episode. Inaho being autistic was not "hinted" at. There are things you could spin to make that conclusion but even if that were the case it does not excuse the fact that he has no emotions. Austism doesn't cause people to be unable to emote anything at all. Perhaps there is a tiny population like that, but it makes for a boring protagonist and is just a lazy and insulting excuse to not develop a character. If they don't care about a characters death why should I? The entire story of this series that I can get is just going to be a standard "Good guy beats the bad guys with a cool mech." Sure, it can be done well, but judging based off the black and white morals these guys seem to have and the development they could have given characters but decided not to because "austism" I guess, I doubt it will be done well. I am not anti-Autism btw, I am actually in favor of having an autistic protagonist, too bad they got it wrong if that is indeed what they are going with. I simply see this as a series that is going to be painfully boring compared to many mecha anime out there. I will give it the benefit of the doubt and see if this episode three that they begged everyone to watch till is as amazing as they make it out to be, but I will not praise this show at all when in 2 episodes all they did was have dialogue of endless exposition, characters that have no personality, death that I don't care about because the characters have no personality, and a plot that has been done so many times that it is almost impossible to add anything to it. I don't know if you've seen any mecha anime besides this, I haven't even seen a lot, but just judging it based off the first Mobile Suit Gundam series, that was released decades ago, I can guarantee you that this has been done before and better. I am not declaring this show shit as I have only seen 2 episodes, but honestly, this episode showed me everything I needed to know about how this anime will play out. This is just analyzing the first 2 episodes though, not the whole thing, though honestly if the next episode isn't anything special, considering they hyped it up massively, then that just shows me they have nothing to add and this series will just be painfully average to terrible |
KetenJul 15, 2014 8:07 AM
| I wonder if the sister survive... Something tells me she's dead. Inaho is... A robot. Calm as fuck. ... Inaho suddenly talk about finishing what his sister started, it really made me think that the sister is already dead and he's wanting revenge. I hope he get flesh out a lot more. |
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| Cos if you see your friend die and not get all mental and have distressed expressions of panic and grief, then ur a shitty MC. amirite guys??? |
destructo22 said: No, not a shitty mc. Just an emotionless one.Cos if you see your friend die and not get all mental and have distressed expressions of panic and grief, then ur a shitty MC. amirite guys??? Also we barely know anything about him give the show some time to explain shit, there could be a reason for the way he is <____< |
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destructo22 said: Cos if you see your friend die and not get all mental and have distressed expressions of panic and grief, then ur a shitty MC. amirite guys??? No, not at all, you are right, going all mental and insane over a persons death wouldn't necessarily be what a normal person would do. BUT AT LEAST GIVE ME SOME SORT OF AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE!!! Because if your friend dies in front of you and you show absolutely no emotion towards it at all that makes you a good MC amirite guys??? Botato said: No, not a shitty mc. Just an emotionless one. Also we barely know anything about him give the show some time to explain shit, there could be a reason for the way he is <____< If he gets development later on, sure. No matter the explanation though, an MC who doesn't emote is boring. If he doesn't care, why should I? We don't know anything about him because they didn't let us get to know any characters, they just shoved action in our faces, not even good action, boring 1-sided action. |
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