White Album 2 Episode 8 Discussion

HybridMBL said:
Dat quick glance of Setsuna's reaction to Haruki's reaction to the possibility that Touma might have a boyfriend next year
The romantic tension in this triangle keeps pulling and pulling.... Just waiting for the rubber band to snap

Tengoku_no_hakai said:
Ahh what the hell, challenge the society and shoot for threesome ending dude! (yeah no way that'll happen)

shanimebib said:


I like Setsuna. So, don't get me wrong. But I think Kazusa would be a better girlfriend IRL, as a woman, as a friend, and as a personality.

ScoutK said:


For me tsunderes are not a good choice IRL. Kazusa seens to be more dominant, unhappy. I think Haruki is more attract for her figure and talent. He is masochist and he is taking the girl role. So, I really like Setsuna but Haruki doesn´t deserve it. Kazusa is his perfect couple in this situation.

Sorry for my bad english :)

AsianKungFu said:
Why did Haruki started dating Setsuna when he doesn't even seem in love with her?

AsianKungFu said:
Why did Haruki started dating Setsuna when he doesn't even seem in love with her? although i'm rooting for Setsuna i don't want them to end up like this. This episode is a slap on the face saying Kazusa is the main heroine and Setsuna is the fifth wheel.

This is True Tears all over again
Haruki = Shinichiro, Hiromi = Kazusa, Noe = Setsuna

It seems like Haruki is starting to become an indecisive bastard...

Mixed baths anyone?

jman90 said:
It was interesting to see how much Touma and Setsuna changed since the beginning. Touma was so friendly this episode while Setsuna was really open about her feelings to Touma. Touma seems to be trying to keep Haruki at a distance though with her constant reminders that he has a girlfriend and that he should only have his eyes on her.

Shino_812 said:
I really liked this chapter.
ohh what can i say, oh my Kazusa, she is such a good friend is almost painfull. Cuz, even if she doesnt know how to name it, we all know that she has something for Haruki. She said that she'd never fallen in love,and - most probably is scared about the idea - more now knowing that the guy she loves is her dearest friend lover.

I can't figure Setsuna tho. i know she has all this trouble about having true friends and all. But she is not making to much sense now, i have always seen her as someone very perseptive.

But, like. Until now, she knew Kazusa as her most potential rival in love. She was aware that Haruki, has strong feelings for her (not necessarily love) and got really uneasy. She even knew that Kazusa liked Haruki.
And now that she has him, is like idk. I think she is being selfish and idealistic. Why i say selfish? because she wants all, her Love and her pure, true unbreakable friendship and don't think about Kazusa's or Haruki's feeligs.

Like she really is pushing things too hard here. (not to mention the bath scene, wtf no need to show your bf your sexy friend/his potential crush naked) A wise idea would have been, spending a night with all her friends, and then stay with haruki alone in a more romantic plan.

Setsuna and Haruki, don't really look like lovers to me to be honest... Along this chapter i never saw 2 + 1 . Only 3 friends.

(i like Setsuna tho, and i found very cute her interactions with Kazusa)

idk idk idk. We will see what happens~~

Beaver897 said:
Why's the car a left-wheel drive? Aren't Japanese cars a right-wheel drive like Australian ones?

comochi said:

kaimax said:
I really wish they can omnibus it like how it went with Amagami and Yosuga no Sora, because I really want to see "all the endings" in the anime.

kaimax said:


That thing in the spoiler doesn't mean anything, because:
-IC was linear
-Both Main females have their own ending in the VN.
It only works if WA2 was a generic harem romance, but this is adapted from a VN which has many routes and endings.

They can easily go with either routes. Heck, I really wish they can omnibus it like how it went with Amagami and Yosuga no Sora, because I really want to see "all the endings" in the anime.

HowTragic said:
Looks like the performance was really the pinnacle of this season. Unfortunately, it's looking more like a generic love-triangle romance anime now.

kaimax said:


NOPE
I assure you, If it was generic, it won't get many awards in 2011. And the VN community is pretty strict about it.
Getchu awards version 2011
-Best General (Overall)
-Best Scenario
-Best Music
-Best Character
White Album 2 won 4 from the 8 available categories (the rest was System/Graphic/Movie/Erotic)

It's a fact that the original story is rated highly by the masses, But all of that still depends on the adaptation of the 2nd part of the story since that's the part where the stories starts having routes and multiple endings.
( 1. Intro "this season"-> 2. Closing -> 3. Coda)

HowTragic said:


While I appreciate your efforts to provide a rebuttal, I can't help but notice "VN community" in your case. My opinion applies to the 8th episode of the anime. I said nothing about what quality the visual novel is. Most people who have played a visual novel before the anime adaption notice that comparing the two is woefully illogical. In my case, the 11eyes visual novel was tiers above the anime adaption, which failed to emphasize the important points of realization in the game, and felt like a hollow clusterfuck of sequential events. Is this reflected in the ratings? Yes. The VN made a name for Lass as one of the most popular visual novels of its time, yet most of of the fans consider the anime to be a travesty.

It has nothing to do with how great the original VN is. The problem lies with how well the studio fits the most impact of a 100 hour game within a short span of 4-8 hours. We're on MAL to talk about anime, not about the visual novel. If I wanted to ragebash the VN, I'd go on vndb and do it there. (which I won't because I'm playing WA1 as an testament to how much I enjoy the VN series)

Also, I don't exactly recall asserting that the anime was going to be the "generic" anime. I simply said that it was looking like one based on the current episode, since it is showing eerily similar scenes (protag spinelessness, heroines doing whatever the fuck they want with that "Got a problem?" attitude). It certainly wasn't what I expected after the bang that the original White Album went out with.

HowTragic said:
Setsuna is a shitty girlfriend. "Haruki-kun is just a precious friend". That low kick. Also her actions does not match her wants. She obviously knows that Haruki still has feels for Kazusa and secretly despises it, yet she takes every opportunity to push them together.

Also Kazusa needs to ii kagen ni shiro on her rudeness and tsundereness. It's become less of a character and more of an annoyance.

Looks like the performance was really the pinnacle of this season. Unfortunately, it's looking more like a generic love-triangle romance anime now. Now I know why was so into the last episode, yet was secretly dreading to watch this one. Meh.

MagicFlier said:

He doesn't even love her? ...Are we even watching the same show here?

It's already shown that Haruki is attracted to Setsuna in some way.
We've also already been shown that Haruki is convinced that Kazusa doesn't seem to be attracted to him through a few implications it seems. He even told Kazusa directly that he started dating Setsuna. Setsuna made the first move, and she got her prize, simple as that; And he accepted it because he is also attracted to Setsuna, so at this point he still hasn't realized his true feelings on who he is actually attracted to.
There is no rule where you can only be attracted to a single girl or guy. So you could say he loves them both.
Love is all about indecisiveness if your rash with your decisions. That doesn't mean any of the people involved are to blame though, because you can't help but be rash when your experiencing something the first few times.

kaimax said:
Glad to see someone else actually understands on how Haruki feels about his dilemma.

You're okay to hate his actions and decisions, but please try to understand on how hard it is for him and for both of the girls, there's no easy path for Haruki to choose.

Thanos_ said:


The anime is very close to the source material. Is being adapted by the creator of the visual novel. And it's not 50-100 hours, since only the first part is being adapted (6-10 hours only).

HowTragic said:


I think it's quite obvious that Leaf is listed as the "original creator", since in any adaption of a VN, the VN creator is listed as such. Thus, I don't see why "adapted by the creator of the visual novel" provides any contextual support. The studio, Satelight, decides nearly every aspect of the anime, ranging from how much budget is allocated to it, into how the episode is organized. Realize how LITTLE of an influence the original creator actually has on the anime adaption. In Leaf's case, they might have the funding to contribute a little bit to the animation (unlike poor mangakkas who are merely elated by the fact that their work is being animated), but unless they own the studio (which they don't, as Satelight is a subsidiary of the Sankyo Group), they really don't do anything.

Also, I don't quite understand what the "it's not 50-100 hours, since only the first part is adapted" is suppose to imply. I already stated that in my previous comments that adaptions need to cut down 50-100 hours of story into 4-10 hours of animation.

Lastly, if you really have never seen a romance anime with similar love-triangle development, then either you don't watch much anime, or you're seeing new and innovative non-existent scenes in this anime. Episode 8 was the epitome of a generic love-triangle anime with people being all emotional, MC being spineless, heroines being bleh. After the enjoyable first 7 episodes that the series built up, I find it irksome if it ends on this note for the rest of the season. I sincerely hope they step it up the next episode.

Thanos_ said:


When I talked about the creator of the original visual novel, I mean he is the supervisor of the anime script, and wrote scripts for all the episodes of the anime. Maruto the writer of the visual novel and the anime is the same.

And you do not seem to understand how the relationship between producer and studio works in this case. Satelight decides nothing. The studio is just an employee.

Who decides the rest is anime production committee, which is led by Aquaplus guess what, company that owns Leaf and made the visual novel. She is the main financier of this anime and decide the budget and all the rest. Satelight is not on the production committee.

So, in this case the writer here is what has the greatest influence, as well as writing all the episodes, is a member of Aquaplus.

And about the hours. The anime is not adapting 50-100 hours. But, it's adapting only 8-10 hours. White Album 2 is separated in two parts, the first part of 8-10 hours, the second part 50-80 hours. The anime only covers the first part.

So the time difference between the first part of the VN and anime is not much.

About similar love triangle anime, I just say for the moment, wait and see.

HowTragic said:

The last thing is something that I really hope people would pull their heads out and understand already. I'm a music guy.

HowTragic said:


First of all, just because Fumiaki Maruto is the original script writer for the visual novel and the anime does not mean that he can operate above time and animation constraints. He has tens of thousands of lines to express his story in the VN. This is cut down to 20 minutes worth of lines per episode. How well he is able to make this transitions speaks for the quality of the anime. I'm assuming that your argument is that because the script writer is the same for both and anime and VN, and the VN was rated was winning whatever awards, the anime is, by default, free from flaw and riding on the VN's fame (and even if it isn't, it's irrelevant). Unfortunately that's not how I rate things. I judge based on what I see, not what is backing it up.
I'm convinced that it is you who have no idea what the relationship between original creator and studio is. I'm curious on why you seem to be so complacent on your explanation of how producer and studio works. Do you have some sort of support behind this or are you subtly making things up as you go along? What's your evidence for the entire anime production committee led by Aquaplus? Is the Shingeki committee led by the non-existence "Shingeki Company" comprised of author, Hajime Isayama? No. The committee is more likely comprised mostly of officials from the studio, and then perhaps Isayama and/or the publishing company. The reason why so many anime adaptions of visual novels are such travesty is because the original creator has little to no saying in how it is produced. The amount of control each company has in the anime adaption might vary (with Aquaplus being more of the controlling side), but I'm going to go out on the whim and say: "Eroge companies don't want to make their anime adaptions look like shit if they can help it." Unfortunately, so many do end up just that.

About the hours: You seem to realize that intro is 10 hours, while the closing chapters is 50-100 hours of text. While you might argue that this first season is only narrating 10 hours of story, that leaves the second 13 episode season to narrate the remaining 50-100 hours. I don't see how I'm mistaken, nor do I see how this is relevant to the argument at hand. Fitting 100 hours into 6 hours is an unfortunate fact of adaptions. Doesn't mean we should be lowering out standards to accommodate.

The last thing is something that I really hope people would pull their heads out and understand already. I'm a music guy. To me the concert is the pinnacle of the anime since I can close my eyes and imagine how exciting it must be to be in that situation. This holds the same for WA1, iM@S and other music orientated anime. This is an opinion. It is not a cleverly disguised attack to kick fanboys in the cherry while snickering behind. I couldn't care less about what other people think of something, as we're all entitled to our own opinions, and that's theirs. But I do believe I'm entitled to my own without people trying to press their views onto me, taking my opinion as a fact that's challenging their precious waifus and feelz. I tend to overlook comments and replies unless it's someone obnoxiously quoting wrong information and calling an opinion wrong. Freedom of opinion. I know, I'm asking for a lot.

I'm convinced that it is you who have no idea what the relationship between original creator and studio is.

aanndirmeew said:
Hey can someone link me the song Setsuna sang in the car plz?