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Nov 8, 2012 12:19 AM
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so it doesnt get a 10/10 for not having a contrived and cliche end full of cream and sugar and strawberries?

seriously, you post this right after my post which negates all this fluff bull you're saying will "make the show have a better ending".

Bittersweet ending. People stay dead. The hero mourns and stays in the background so he doesnt get in the way of the new drills to the heavens. Life goes on.

Yoko didnt go for Kittan because he was like Kamina. You dont choose a relationship with someone because they remind you of someone else, thats not really loving someone for them, you're loving them for a memory, a dead memory at that. Yoko already spoke of what she admired about Kittan. She admired him for him.

They didnt end with despair either. The pain of loss yes but they carried on and pushed forward. They couldnt replace those broken fragments of the loss but they spent their lives teaching and raising children (yoko) and helping humanity in the background (simon). To fall to despair would mean to lay down and wait for death. They didnt. The most horrific wounds that we survive from, we never actually recover from completely, even when it heals over we feel it in our bones and sinew and when something instigates the scars left behind. But we continue walking forward, or drilling as it were.

She never had something like that for Simon. She NEVER looked that way at him. Just cause a girl smiles at you and treats you well and gets close to you doesnt mean she wants a relationship. it could be camaraderie and brotherhood. And he only had that puppy love at the start and never showed it again after the 8th episode.

He never got over Nia, we see this in the other side-works. He never got over that pain and carried her with him always. No one else took her place.

Your wishy-washy adolescent fluffy sunshine bull is an insult to this show.

calling him a corward? With his god-like power doing what you're talking about would have been the easy way. But instead he made the real mans decision, to step aside. Thats why he didnt bring the dead back and why he went into seclusion. and even then he kept helping from the background. He doesnt fade away, he stays out of sight and that saying about burning out is BULL. Stepping aisde is the hardest step to make when you have the foresight to see the necessity of it.

The bittersweet ending was fantastic. Much better than your immature, self-satisfying cliche crap. It was all in character, and its how people respond to such experiences with loss and responsibility of such extent.

Gainax didnt "try" anything, to even conceive of putting that sentence together is fallacy. This is the ending that happened. Full Stop.

And its not even to say that if a major threat comes by he wont take his side amongst them again.
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first off, please dont get angry at me for seeing it different, i wrote that right after i watched it so i was a bit emotional i guess, thats why i used strong words, like dispair and coward*, which now later a few days i guess were too strong.

i just watched the movies and (this paragraph contains spoilers about the end of lagann-hen (kinda, you already know its an alt version))--- they end the same, but with very slight changes, like the scene with Simon digging for water and not having the scene of Yoko alone on that island (i know the kids were there etc), so its still the same ending, but this time i didnt get the feelings i did before, because i saw Simon working towards Nia's dream of making the lands green and covered in flowers, so, its obv the same story and therefore the same end, i now like the ending. the water digging scene changed my mind, cos that was Nia's dream.

also, the perception of the way Simon and Yoko felt for each other is each viewers own opinion, since they never categorically stated it in the series, no one can have a "correct opinion"
u said i said Yoko loved Kittan because she saw Kamina in him, but what i meant was that, like it says in the show in ep 3 or so, is that that is Yoko's "type." and Simon also falls into that category/type (in the 2nd half of the show that is), so there is the possibility that they could have got together**, but they didnt. (again, kinda-spoilers of lagann-hen in this sentence) in the movie it made it more certain that Nia was the only girl for Simon, even tho it was still very apparent in the series, i felt worse that he ended up alone after watching the series.

*i now feel bad for calling simon a coward, it was an exaggeration tho, cos i was all emotional, i always get like that when a good series ends.

**or at least for Yoko to have feelings for simon, because hes less likely to move on from Nia than she is from Kittan. although it would be hard to move on from Kittan as well as Kamina.
Yoko and Simon getting together is my naive wish for a happy ending i know, but im just like that, dont be mad at me for it.


but theres still one thing tho, about how spiral power is the power to evolve, but Simon never had kids so didnt technically contribute to human evolution. i know he did make it possible for humans (and all spirals) to evolve by saving them, but he didnt actually do any "evolving" himself.
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I can't believed they killed off Nia. I thought she would at least revive or something or reunite in the future they created;/
Dec 8, 2012 4:37 AM

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Perfect. 10/10
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The whole show had me on the edge of my seat even the recap episode was good and I hate recaps also despite me having multiple scenes spoiled by AMV's, Parodies, etc... Yet the last couple episodes just felt so boring I lost track of time throughout the whole series but the last couple of episodes just meh also not a very good ending in fact I'll say it straight I hated the ending still isn't enough to derail it somewhat.

A very high 9 but nowhere near flawless
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Dec 14, 2012 7:51 AM

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The whole show had me on the edge of my seat even the recap episode was good and I hate recaps also despite me having multiple scenes spoiled by AMV's, Parodies, etc... Yet the last couple episodes just felt so boring I lost track of time throughout the whole series but the last couple of episodes just meh also not a very good ending in fact I'll say it straight I hated the ending still isn't enough to derail it though in my mind the show ended at the wedding and period all in all a great show... scratch that a really effing good show 10/10 R.I.P. Kamina, Nia, Kittan :(

Also what the hell was up with Ep 4 it looked like they cut their budget in half for that one or something


how can one hate the ending but like the rest of the series, the ending to TTGL is one of the most powerful amazing endings to any anime series, scratch that any series live action or animated ever.

not only did they defeat the big bad, they took the concept, absolutely turbostomped it, smashed it into tiny pieces, recreated it and turned it up to 50 on a scale that goes up to 10.

like holy shit, i dont think ive ever been so amazed and on the edge of my seat as i was for episode 27 for anything in my life, closest would have to be at the end of rebuild 2.0 and still thats no where near as close.
this show is known for taking things up to levels not even deemed possible, but it takes the phrase 'that escalated quickly' to a whole new order of magnitude.
Dec 16, 2012 4:15 AM

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Flawless series 10/10
Dec 31, 2012 2:53 AM

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I just finished the series and this is just stunning, breathtaking and gave me goosebumps whenever they scream (Simon has the same voice as Natsu from Fairy Tail, always when he screamed I thought of Natsu too) or when someone started those epic speeches. If the series would end at the episode 15 I would give it an 8, but the last episodes were just what I've said before and I can't rate this series lower than 10. I feel really bad for Simon and Yoko, I read some comments, but I still feel sad for them.

Anyway, 10/10
Jan 7, 2013 3:20 AM
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I don't hate the ending like some people here did, sure I wish it had gone a bit differently, but it was still a good ending to the show.

As far as Simon and Nia go, that is the only thing I would have wanted changed in the ending, I really wanted Simon and Nia to be able to stay together, it made me really sad when she disappeared even if I did know it was coming because of what was happening to her when she was inside lagann earlier. I was sad Simon was alone in the end but if Nia can't be with him I just can't see him being able to be with someone that isn't her.

As for Yoko I do really like her as a character and at first I did want her and Simon to be together but ever since Nia came into the show I slowly realized that Simon and Yoko just aren't meant for each other. Even though I felt bad for Yoko being alone in the ending (even though she was probably still happy since she gets to look after kids her whole life) I was really glad that that was her ending. No offense to Kamina or Kittan, I like both of them, but in my personal opinion there was no one in the shown that should have ended up with Yoko, the idea of her ending up with any of the guys in the show just seemed weird to me I don't know why. I just couldn't imagine Yoko being with any of the characters like I could Simon being with Nia.
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Pretty average series overall, though it did have some moments towards the end but thats about it
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Pretty average series overall, though it did have some moments towards the end but thats about it

what would you consider above average? id love to know
Jan 9, 2013 8:11 PM

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Lately said:
Pretty average series overall, though it did have some moments towards the end but thats about it

what would you consider above average? id love to know


too many to list
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A pure shounen anime that had a very frustrating beginning to watch. They were always winning so I lost interest on the series. I decided to put through this and when the 7 years later hit, it was all amazing all the way til the end. Ending was both happy and sad. It was special and rewarding. It had an amazing soundtrack and loved how their voices changes when they grew up. Also, they nailed the art style.

The main bad things are the beginning, it could be more punishing for the main characters. It felt that they didn't worked for their power, it was just rewarded to them. The side characters aren't interesting so when they died, it didn't felt emotional. And TWO recaps in the anime??

MEGA ULTRA GIGA DRILL BREAKKKKKKAAAAAAA THAT PIERCES THE HEAVENS EPIC SHOUNEN ANIME out of 10.
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Lately said:
eldest said:
Lately said:
Pretty average series overall, though it did have some moments towards the end but thats about it

what would you consider above average? id love to know


too many to list


yet you cant name one
Jan 11, 2013 2:46 PM

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eldest said:
Lately said:
eldest said:
Lately said:
Pretty average series overall, though it did have some moments towards the end but thats about it

what would you consider above average? id love to know


too many to list


yet you cant name one


Are you serious? Can you not look at my list and see the series I scored high to at least give you an idea as to what shows I would consider "above average". You want me to lay some out for you?

There's:
Ghost in the Shell Movies+Series
Berserk
Kaiji
Monster
Death Note
etc.

I really don't understand why people get so butthurt when their favorite show gets a little bit criticized. The aforementioned shows get bashed as well, yet you don't see me telling people what they would find better than those shows since its all opinions.
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Lately said:

Are you serious? Can you not look at my list and see the series I scored high to at least give you an idea as to what shows I would consider "above average". You want me to lay some out for you?

There's:
Ghost in the Shell Movies+Series
Berserk
Kaiji
Monster
Death Note
etc.

I really don't understand why people get so butthurt when their favorite show gets a little bit criticized. The aforementioned shows get bashed as well, yet you don't see me telling people what they would find better than those shows since its all opinions.


and you call TTGL average then list shows like that?
im starting to wonder if you even watched the show now.
Jan 11, 2013 6:51 PM

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and you call TTGL average then list shows like that?
im starting to wonder if you even watched the show now.


Hey you're the one who asked, you would have probably just have responded in a way demanding me to make some sort of a list. TTGL pretty much followed the typical shounen style format with more over the top action sequences. It did some things right, but way too many was just too generic. It's not necessarily a bad show otherwise I would have dropped it, it's average

I'm done here, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall.

p.s those shows are better than TTGL.
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eldest said:


and you call TTGL average then list shows like that?
im starting to wonder if you even watched the show now.


Hey you're the one who asked, you would have probably just have responded in a way demanding me to make some sort of a list. TTGL pretty much followed the typical shounen style format with more over the top action sequences. It did some things right, but way too many was just too generic. It's not necessarily a bad show otherwise I would have dropped it, it's average

I'm done here, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall.

p.s those shows are better than TTGL.


im not saying there arent shows 'better' than TTGL, everyone has subjective tastes, but regardless of if you thought the show was good or bad, calling the ending 'average' is objectively wrong.
name me a show with an ending more ''average' than creating mechs the size of galaxies.
you simply made the claim because you didnt particularly like the show. which is fine, but your claim is still wrong.
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The show had some pretty stupid writing but memorable characters and very good pacing. It's too ridiculous for me to rewatch but I loved it the first time. 9/10.
Feb 4, 2013 6:18 AM

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...And thats how Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan defeated the Mayan Calendar, saving humanity from the apocalypse.

Spectacular Series! Loved it, now i see what everyone was talking about, the amazing concepts, stupendous fights and phenomenal character growth. Definitely moving this series to my top 3. I've never been so inspired by a series. And damn, did the deaths sting...so many meaningful deaths rare in a shonen. Loved it. One of the best anime series ever!

Oh and Gimmie(sp?)
they are spirals, not dragon balls!!!!
Feb 6, 2013 11:29 PM
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That last scene made me really angry, that was just retarded but everything else was perfection!
Feb 7, 2013 2:06 PM
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That last scene made me really angry, that was just retarded but everything else was perfection!


In what way, exactly?
Feb 11, 2013 9:42 AM

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The first half of this show is like being front row center for the greatest motivational conference of all time. The second half... is like emotional torture porn. It was as if the series was Zero-Dark Thrity and my feelings were the key to finding Osama bid Laden.

I did learn a couple of life lessons though. Like it takes both heart and brains to be an effective leader. Or that we have an intrinsic power to accomplish our dreams. And most importantly, although life may not follow the average trajectory, or even the one you want it to, it doesn't make it any less beautiful.
Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER!
Feb 24, 2013 8:37 PM

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Amazing series! Of course it has its flaws, but the story and the emotions I felt during it aren't going to be replicated. The ending was bittersweet and I was happy then sad then happy then sad again. I didn't mind the time skip and actually liked that Simon walked away at the end. He passed on his 'strength' (the drill) to the new generation which he saved. Yoko even went back to teaching on that island and that was nice to see. Was very happy/sad during the wedding and glad they included that. I would have been very upset if they didn't ;)

Even though this genre is not my favorite, TTGL is definitely a 10/10 for me.
-Nothing can stay unchanged. Even so, can you still keep on loving this place?

-Be still my soul; when change and tears are past, all safe and blessed we shall meet at last.
Mar 3, 2013 10:42 PM

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What an amazing series!
It seriously had everything
Although it was ridiculous at points.. it still worked out really well
An EASY 10/10 in my eyes
Mar 6, 2013 11:56 PM

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I love this anime best ever, all the lines and scenes are epic. One thing I was disappointed with was Simon and Nia didn't live a normal life and started a family. I also don't like that Simon became a nobody in the end.

P.S

Simon Kinda reminds of Goku a true hero.
Mar 20, 2013 9:38 AM

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What a unhappy ending =/ I thought Nia would keep living =/
Also, after all the fights Simon could have retired but live near his old friends, but well,he and and Yoko lost the love of their lives, so they both decided for live their live away, kinda sad =/
I am not into mecha, but I decided to watch it, there was some really good eps, and some stupid ones. I really liked Kamina, so it's sad he died so soon, Yoko was also great. 7/10 for me.
Mar 23, 2013 1:32 AM

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obviously 10/10
Mar 25, 2013 6:47 PM

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It was sad that Nia disappeared at the end and left Simon. Otherwise this anime was pretty damn awesome, so I'm going to probably watch the movies later when I have the time.
Mar 25, 2013 6:59 PM
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It had a lot of meh character moments but I still enjoyed this. It didn't live up to the hype for me though but I'll still rate it an 8 because it was still pretty fun to watch.
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The series was great until kamina died. after that, it got really really boring.
"overrated" is a word that come to my mind right now but i don't want get killed here so ... nvm.
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It's been a while since I watched an "EPIC anime 10/10 obviously....but still it really sad that Nia disappear I don't know if it is happy or sad ending


- Thanks to myself I watched this anime :D
Mar 29, 2013 3:30 AM

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It's been a while since I watched an "EPIC anime 10/10 obviously....but still it really sad that Nia disappear I don't know if it is happy or sad ending


- Thanks to myself I watched this anime :D


anti spiral defeated
humans quite literally conquered the universe
simon literally becomes a walking god, but uses his power wisely and doesnt ever abuse it
nia and simon get married, albeit for a short amount of time
all other characters live a happy life
simon wonders the land keeping an eye on man, as a sort of guardian.

overall, it is a bittersweet ending.
but that final fight, i lwas amazed at the end of the series, and when i saw the end of lagann hen, i literally said holy fuck out loud.
Mar 29, 2013 3:42 AM

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I don't find it bittersweet i think it is just depressing and the end is just anti climactic .
Mar 29, 2013 4:06 AM

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I don't find it bittersweet i think it is just depressing and the end is just anti climactic .


nia had been linked to the spirals ever since the timeskip, everyone knew what was going to happen once the anti spiral disappeared. and the ending was fine, nia should have ceased to exist the second the anti spiral died, but she survived through her own force of will, and as soon as they got married, they both became fulfilled and she disappeared. simon passes the torch to gimmy and leaves to become a wanderer, but also keeps an eye over mankind as a guardian. skip 20 years, earth has become a peaceful interstellar race with them holding a meeting to stop the spiral nemesis permanently, viral becomes fleetmaster, and gains the ability to use spiral power, which a beastman shouldnt be able to do, gimmy and darry become the pilots of gurren lagann, rossiu becomes the defacto president of the universe with leeron as his advisor and yoko settles down as a teacher. simon wanders the land helping to create settlements and fulfilling nia's wish to plant flowers everywhere.

kittan,kamina and all the other members of team dai gurren get buried as remembered as heroes.

its really not anticlimactic if you think about it, although it may seem so when in the previous 5 minutes theres a universal scale mech battle happening.
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I don't find it bittersweet i think it is just depressing and the end is just anti climactic .


nia had been linked to the spirals ever since the timeskip, everyone knew what was going to happen once the anti spiral disappeared. and the ending was fine, nia should have ceased to exist the second the anti spiral died, but she survived through her own force of will, and as soon as they got married, they both became fulfilled and she disappeared. simon passes the torch to gimmy and leaves to become a wanderer, but also keeps an eye over mankind as a guardian. skip 20 years, earth has become a peaceful interstellar race with them holding a meeting to stop the spiral nemesis permanently, viral becomes fleetmaster, and gains the ability to use spiral power, which a beastman shouldnt be able to do, gimmy and darry become the pilots of gurren lagann, rossiu becomes the defacto president of the universe with leeron as his advisor and yoko settles down as a teacher. simon wanders the land helping to create settlements and fulfilling nia's wish to plant flowers everywhere.

kittan,kamina and all the other members of team dai gurren get buried as remembered as heroes.

its really not anticlimactic if you think about it, although it may seem so when in the previous 5 minutes theres a universal scale mech battle happening.

Why are you telling me stuff that already know ( i mean i watched this anime duhh o.o ).
Who the hell cares about Nia ? I didn't find it depressing because of her but because of Simon and Yoko , saving earth only to choose to wander around doing nothing( for 20+ years so much wasted youth o.o) and Yoko becoming a teacher meh.
How is Simon keeping an eye over mankind ? he gave up his key of gureen laggan meaning he is powerless he just became a nobody.
I found the final battle anti climactic and really predictable but that's me.
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Why are you telling me stuff that already know ( i mean i watched this anime duhh o.o ).
Who the hell cares about Nia ? I didn't find it depressing because of her but because of Simon and Yoko , saving earth only to choose to wander around doing nothing( for 20+ years so much wasted youth o.o) and Yoko becoming a teacher meh.
How is Simon keeping an eye over mankind ? he gave up his key of gureen laggan meaning he is powerless he just became a nobody.
I found the final battle anti climactic and really predictable but that's me.


yoko always wanted to be a teacher, that made her happy, she did that because early on in the series kamina talks about how he wants to make a better world for children to grow up in, what better way to do so than to liberate humanity and become a teacher.

simon didnt 'do nothing' for 20 years, he wandered around creating settlements for the people who had only recently come out from underground, and he doesnt need his key at all, the key just channels his spiral power, giving that up means nothing, its like saying that giving up your keys means you lose the ability to ever drive a car again. if need be, he can just create another one, it wouldnt be a problem, he can create a mech the size of a galaxy singlehandedly. its also said by leeron and we see that hes watching over kamina city at the end when he helps the kid with the coconut, although with the anti spiral gone he has no need to fight. as he said earlier on, hes not one to govern, hes the drill to create the path for others to follow, quite literally as well as metaphorically.

it seems you just wanted a cop out happy ending and completely disregarded the series themes. simon knew it was time for a younger generation to take point, he even explicitly says it, and hence chose to become a nomad with boota.

this isnt a disney film. not everything is a fairytale ending

and the final battle was anticlimactic?
thats rich, what in the everloving fuck were you expecting then?
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BTW : is it necessary to watch the MOVIE ? I mean this two http://myanimelist.net/anime/4107/Tengen_Toppa_Gurren_Lagann_Movie:_Gurren-hen
http://myanimelist.net/anime/4565/Tengen_Toppa_Gurren_Lagann_Movie:_Lagann-hen

I noticed that the score of the movie is high ( 8.6 ) but is it just a recap ?? It's just I have a doubt if I download it or not ^
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BTW : is it necessary to watch the MOVIE ? I mean this two http://myanimelist.net/anime/4107/Tengen_Toppa_Gurren_Lagann_Movie:_Gurren-hen
http://myanimelist.net/anime/4565/Tengen_Toppa_Gurren_Lagann_Movie:_Lagann-hen

I noticed that the score of the movie is high ( 8.6 ) but is it just a recap ?? It's just I have a doubt if I download it or not ^


movie 1 is essentially a recap, but its anaimation is fantastic, and it does a decent job of covering the first part of the story. it makes 1 or 2 changes to fit everything in, namely having all 4 generals of lordgenome in 1 battle instead of 4.

movie 2 is the same up until the space arc, then it changes slightly throughout the battles with the anti spiral ships. then once it gets to the actual anti spiral battle, shit gets fucking ridiculous, even by TTGL standards (completely new ending)

its one of the most glorious things i have ever seen, the final battle is worth buying both movies for
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@eldest - about what you said in movie 2 that they have a ( completely new ending ) can you spoil me about it ??


Thanks :)
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@eldest - about what you said in movie 2 that they have a ( completely new ending ) can you spoil me about it ??


Thanks :)


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i agree with Eldest on the level of Uber TTGL movie's ending hits.
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EPIC 10/10
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It doesn't get much better than this, i mean this series had everything, great characters, cool artwork, awesome story and epic battles. Although simon could have gone for yoko and die in an heroic way
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I don't know how to express how good this anime was to me, all I can say is time to look for another masterpiece.
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I don't know how to express how good this anime was to me, all I can say is time to look for another masterpiece.

im still yet to find something that has matched the scale and intensity of TTGL

still havent found anything yet
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Best final battle EVER !
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good anime, nice final fight but the end with 20yrs later was rly anticlimatic.. i thought he will fly through the universe to safe it how he promises it. hmm.. yoa.
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good anime, nice final fight but the end with 20yrs later was rly anticlimatic.. i thought he will fly through the universe to safe it how he promises it. hmm.. yoa.


did you miss the rest of the episode. he did that already
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Got to be one of my favourite shows. I just wish Yoko and Simon would get together.
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Keep track of your anime easily by creating your own list.
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