Kakumeiki Valvrave Episode 10 Discussion

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Kaioshin_Sama said:
This thread is hands down the worst most insultingly dumb thread on this episode of any board I've seen in this entire week so far. That's an astounding accomplishment of ignorance. Once again MAL has proved it has one of the worst userbases on the internet. Like pretty much 90% shitposting and what barely amount to sentences.

^this

70% percent of people posting are "hey its not rape if she liked it *wink wink*" misogynist assholes.
20% of people posting are "LOLOLOLCOMEDYIMANOTGOINGTOPOSTANOPINION".
and the leftover 10% spend time facepalming at the both other groups and trying to actually talk about actual show.

Jun 15, 2013 1:58 AM

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Fai said:

Kaioshin_Sama said:
This thread is hands down the worst most insultingly dumb thread on this episode of any board I've seen in this entire week so far. That's an astounding accomplishment of ignorance. Once again MAL has proved it has one of the worst userbases on the internet. Like pretty much 90% shitposting and what barely amount to sentences.

^this

70% percent of people posting are "hey its not rape if she liked it *wink wink*" misogynist assholes.
20% of people posting are "LOLOLOLCOMEDYIMANOTGOINGTOPOSTANOPINION".
and the leftover 10% spend time facepalming at the both other groups and trying to actually talk about actual show.

Don't wanna be that guy. Wait Who am i kidding ._.Lemme say it

Why are you 2 still here if that the case. In all honestly The people here are still Posting about this Episode in General it's just the Rape and Shoko lil speech that grabs people attention. <.<

btw 70% are like "You can't rape the willing" or my Favorite "50 nos and 1 yes means Yes."

solarhiroJun 15, 2013 2:03 AM

Jun 15, 2013 1:59 AM

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vampko said:

AnimageNeby said:

Yes, compared to SnK and gargantia (and even those falter sometimes), who also had fantasy/SF themes, this one is definitely not trying to be much internally consistent. As you pointed out, some things don't make much sense. That said, it was clear from the start this series was more meant to be 'fanciful', and just as you don't expect in-story consistency with series like Gintanama, you don't really expect much from the standpoint of in-story consistency or realistic settings/behaviour here. One has to set ones' level of suspension-of-disbeleieve quite high, but at least it also never raised such expectations.

As you said, it's still worth watching, certainly with the rather surprising twists they put in there now and then.

The problem is it's trying to be so serious while the writing continues to lose itself. And, the show started off completely and totally ridiculous. I actually would normally never watch a show like this, and wasn't planning to (I'm really not one for Mecha shows or Space Operas), but I gave it a chance, and the show was absolutely over the top and hilarious with a spice of seriousness. My sort of show. Then, it got to around episode 4 or so (or maybe it was 6?), and then they decided to completely shift the balance.
I mostly stick around for Shouko and Akira, and the occasional moment that has me laughing my head off xD
Like when Aika suddenly appeared all giant and stuff

Hmm... well, I guess I would disagree with that. I never thought the series did much to be taken all that seriously, in the sense of being realistic. I mean, it uses too many tropes there, and too many obvious inconsistencies exist. Though I think I know what you mean, because in some scenes they suddenly shift to a more 'serious' approach, in regard to killing/rape/deaths... I guess their way of trying to make you connect more with the emotional gravity of things. Which doesn't fit well with the nonsensicality of other scenes, like a ballerina-like mecha who dances around in space while the pilot is contemplating her sad, sad past and meanwhile is looking at dozens of messageboards' comments while fighting.

But the thing is, it depends from your standpoint. If you look at it as a mainly serious series, you are disillusioned by all the inconsistencies and anime tropes used. If you look at it as mainly fanciful, you're pleasantly surprised by the more unexpected, serious scenes in there. Personally, I don't like too much the 'over the top' thing (tastes differ), so I'm rather pleased if it's toned down - without me taking it as the series is ACTUALLY trying to be realistic/sensible.

That said: I have little understanding of people (not talking about you) complaining non-stop and finding it crap and what not. I mean...just don't watch it then. It's ok to be critical, but if one *really* dislikes everything in the show, stop watching. Personally, while the series is not going to be in my top ten, I find the anime fairly acceptable most of the time (especially if they do something special /out of the classical tropes). It's like a no-brainer pop-corn movie: not a masterpiece or all that great, but still reasonably enjoyable in a simple way.

Much depends on how you look at the series and what your expectations are, however, and if you take it the other way around, like you do, I can understand where you're coming from. There IS that discrepancy between it trying to be fanciful and it trying to be serious at times, true. But I rather see it as an inconsistent not-to-serious anime (not as 'over-the-top', and *certainly* not that I'm liking 'over the top') which now and then surprises me positively because of it's aspects of seriousness and deviation of the normal anime tropes.

Nikato said:
Wasn't very happy with the Episode. The rape (yes it was rape) was drawn out and unneeded especially considering her past.

As I said here:

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=614685&show=340#msg22755397

It isn't all that clear cut.

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What the hell just happened?! Haruto is becoming a beast!
WTF with that curse-like anyway?
Inuzuka looks so cool in the opening.~ :)

Jun 15, 2013 2:25 AM

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Any particular reason why Saki didn't bite him if she is so against it?

That body swapping could have helped or she wasn't against it afterall? I guess talking about logical solutions about this trainwreck isn't gonna say much.

Jun 15, 2013 3:13 AM

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-Quasar said:
Any particular reason why Saki didn't bite him if she is so against it?

That body swapping could have helped or she wasn't against it afterall? I guess talking about logical solutions about this trainwreck isn't gonna say much.

I wasn't going to explain Saki's reason at first since it makes the scene 10 times more painful but here goes.

Saki realized that its the only way Haruto could be relieved from his pain and seizures (whatever you call it) and chose to give up her body out of love for Haruto. And also to share the burden of the curse with him. Very sick and painful.

Take note that while the elections are going on, it turned from sunset to night. Haruto had been in that pain and seizure allthe time. Thus, Saki had no choice but to allow it since she care about Haruto.

Of course, she might have other reasons as well but I think that's the main one.

This might also tie in with what Cain said about reproducing and there is also the fact that Saki is the only female valvrave pilot in the module.

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Hmmm. It's actually interesting. Whatever force is possessing him, makes him want to attack others... Does the urge to rape also only applies to the infected hosts of the opposite gender? Or hosts in general? (I'm not into guy on guy...) Or anyone in general for that matter... Not like it seemed like he was gonna rape the blonde one in the elevator.

The purple pilot is most likely gonna be either Shoko or the blonde girl. Probably Shoko. The blonde eye-patch dude will pilot a different one though...

Either way, I didn't expect the rape scene, but I guess there were a few hints. It seems to be plot related and I don't mind that sort of stuff, so I'm not opposed to it. I wanted to see her getting nailed too for some reason anyway... Her attitude for starters.

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Jun 15, 2013 3:32 AM

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solarhiro said:

ManusDomini said:

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I mean...imagine you are being controlled by some nanobots or other technology and *you* have no control over your body, but something else is (or it removes your conscience entirely)... even if your body f- somebody, would it still be your fault and you bear the responsibility of the actions someone/something else takes *with* your body?

Three responses:

1} Saki was clearly raped. Whether it was Haruto or the Valvrave who raped her makes little difference. And, legally, it was Haruto's body which raped Saki.

2} Acquiescence after giving up doesn't make this not rape.

3} I was attempting to avoid this entire discussion and talk about some other parts of the show.

Imo, both of them were raped since both of them were forced into the act without consent.

Hmm.

1)I don't think it was all that 'clear'. Yes, she asked: what are you doing? in the beginning. But then: she didn't resist, while previously (the elevator scene), it was shown she could easily set him straight. Furthermore, when she said 'I see, it's a curse.' she actually accepted him, she put her hand on the back of his neck, she intertwined her hands with his, etc.: all behaviour you wouldn't do when you are actually being raped. And finally, she only would have to bite him to swap bodies and end the 'rape' too, yet she didn't. All this rather points to the fact that, while surprised and not happy with the particular situation in which it happened, in the end she agreed to it. And if you agree to it, even if you would rather have seen it perform in a different way, it's not rape anymore.

2)The actions I described above go beyond mere 'acquiescence'; it's actively agreeing and participating. That she isn't totally happy with how it came about is likely, though that doesn't make it rape. A victim of rape does not have any choice in the matter: she did. A victim of rape does not entwine hands with her rapist nor pulls him toward her stroking his head and neck; she did. One could possible come up with speculations to explain it all, but as of yet, it remains ambiguous, thus, if it should be considered rape.

3) The attempt failed. ;-) In the end, we'll have to see how Saki really feels about it, and if she considers it rape. Seen her actions, and the fact she was going for him since the start, one might presume it wasn't really all that against her will. But we'll see. And yes, if it is considered rape, one would have to acknowledge it wasn't Haruto raping her. Saying 'legally, it was his body raping her.' doesn't make for any precedent, because legally, in our current time it is presumed our body is controlled by our own mind. I think it hardly doubtful, for instance, that, if someone WERE controlled by someone else, and made a crime beyond his will or power to stop it, that it would be regarded by the courts as him being the culprit, as opposed to the one controlling him.

Maybe some day will come where this is tested. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=artificial-limbs-controlled-by-thought Imagine someone gaining control over those limbs, overriding the thoughts of the owner: would one really hold the person himself accountable? I doubt it.

Jun 15, 2013 3:38 AM

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FiveOVER said:

-Quasar said:
Any particular reason why Saki didn't bite him if she is so against it?

That body swapping could have helped or she wasn't against it afterall? I guess talking about logical solutions about this trainwreck isn't gonna say much.

I wasn't going to explain Saki's reason at first since it makes the scene 10 times more painful but here goes.

Saki realized that its the only way Haruto could be relieved from his pain and seizures (whatever you call it) and chose to give up her body out of love for Haruto. And also to share the burden of the curse with him. Very sick and painful.

Take note that while the elections are going on, it turned from sunset to night. Haruto had been in that pain and seizure allthe time. Thus, Saki had no choice but to allow it since she care about Haruto.

Of course, she might have other reasons as well but I think that's the main one.

This might also tie in with what Cain said about reproducing and there is also the fact that Saki is the only female valvrave pilot in the module.

True. I think to some extend, this is what Saki felt. However, agreeing to sex, even out of pity and what not, is still agreeing to it, and thus is not rape anymore.

There are many reasons why people have sex: out of love, to have children, to feel relieved, to earn money, out of pity, out of lust, out of eagerness to please, out of a wish to keep someone bounded to you, etc. Many, many reasons possible, thus. None of them are rape, though, from the moment one agrees to the act, for whatever reason. Rape deals with the will of the subject and his/her agreement, not his or her reasons *for* agreeing to it.

Jun 15, 2013 3:51 AM

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AnimageNeby said:

FiveOVER said:

-Quasar said:
Any particular reason why Saki didn't bite him if she is so against it?

That body swapping could have helped or she wasn't against it afterall? I guess talking about logical solutions about this trainwreck isn't gonna say much.

I wasn't going to explain Saki's reason at first since it makes the scene 10 times more painful but here goes.

Saki realized that its the only way Haruto could be relieved from his pain and seizures (whatever you call it) and chose to give up her body out of love for Haruto. And also to share the burden of the curse with him. Very sick and painful.

Take note that while the elections are going on, it turned from sunset to night. Haruto had been in that pain and seizure allthe time. Thus, Saki had no choice but to allow it since she care about Haruto.

Of course, she might have other reasons as well but I think that's the main one.

This might also tie in with what Cain said about reproducing and there is also the fact that Saki is the only female valvrave pilot in the module.

True. I think to some extend, this is what Saki felt. However, agreeing to sex, even out of pity and what not, is still agreeing to it, and thus is not rape anymore.

There are many reasons why people have sex: out of love, to have children, to feel relieved, to earn money, out of pity, out of lust, out of eagerness to please, out of a wish to keep someone bounded to you, etc. Many, many reasons possible, thus. None of them are rape, though, from the moment one agrees to the act, for whatever reason. Rape deals with the will of the subject and his/her agreement, not his or her reasons *for* agreeing to it.

agree that's not rape, but Saki let it happen because she love Haruto and want to share that curse with him
so we can't say Saki is a B*tch right?

Jun 15, 2013 4:09 AM

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leedniel said:

AnimageNeby said:

FiveOVER said:

-Quasar said:
Any particular reason why Saki didn't bite him if she is so against it?

That body swapping could have helped or she wasn't against it afterall? I guess talking about logical solutions about this trainwreck isn't gonna say much.

I wasn't going to explain Saki's reason at first since it makes the scene 10 times more painful but here goes.

Saki realized that its the only way Haruto could be relieved from his pain and seizures (whatever you call it) and chose to give up her body out of love for Haruto. And also to share the burden of the curse with him. Very sick and painful.

Take note that while the elections are going on, it turned from sunset to night. Haruto had been in that pain and seizure allthe time. Thus, Saki had no choice but to allow it since she care about Haruto.

Of course, she might have other reasons as well but I think that's the main one.

This might also tie in with what Cain said about reproducing and there is also the fact that Saki is the only female valvrave pilot in the module.

True. I think to some extend, this is what Saki felt. However, agreeing to sex, even out of pity and what not, is still agreeing to it, and thus is not rape anymore.

There are many reasons why people have sex: out of love, to have children, to feel relieved, to earn money, out of pity, out of lust, out of eagerness to please, out of a wish to keep someone bounded to you, etc. Many, many reasons possible, thus. None of them are rape, though, from the moment one agrees to the act, for whatever reason. Rape deals with the will of the subject and his/her agreement, not his or her reasons *for* agreeing to it.

agree that's not rape, but Saki let it happen because she love Haruto and want to share that curse with him
so we can't say Saki is a B*tch right?

Well, I agree to that. I found Saki a bit annoyingly portrayed in the anime as the ballerina who got rejected and misses all her fans but is now making a comeback 'I'll show you all.", etc. But that's part of how it was played as a trope by the publishers/directors in a meta-sense, thus. As she is portrayed now, in this scene, I think she's not really bad or bitchy, on the contrary. I think she genuinely loves Haruto, tries to go for him even though she realises there is a rival (whom he might like more, but hey, she can still try, right), and indeed, it was shown her she agreed to it because she wanted to share his curse with him, out of love.

When not acting as a mecha-ballerina with all the past-trauma-exposed trope on it, I think she's one of the more likeable characters, in fact. She feels less 'goody-goody' than Shoko, which I appreciate, since it makes for a less flat character.

Jun 15, 2013 4:22 AM

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AnimageNeby said:

solarhiro said:

ManusDomini said:

AnimageNeby said:
I mean...imagine you are being controlled by some nanobots or other technology and *you* have no control over your body, but something else is (or it removes your conscience entirely)... even if your body f- somebody, would it still be your fault and you bear the responsibility of the actions someone/something else takes *with* your body?

Three responses:

1} Saki was clearly raped. Whether it was Haruto or the Valvrave who raped her makes little difference. And, legally, it was Haruto's body which raped Saki.

2} Acquiescence after giving up doesn't make this not rape.

3} I was attempting to avoid this entire discussion and talk about some other parts of the show.

Imo, both of them were raped since both of them were forced into the act without consent.

Hmm.

1)I don't think it was all that 'clear'. Yes, she asked: what are you doing? in the beginning. But then: she didn't resist, while previously (the elevator scene), it was shown she could easily set him straight. Furthermore, when she said 'I see, it's a curse.' she actually accepted him, she put her hand on the back of his neck, she intertwined her hands with his, etc.: all behaviour you wouldn't do when you are actually being raped. And finally, she only would have to bite him to swap bodies and end the 'rape' too, yet she didn't. All this rather points to the fact that, while surprised and not happy with the particular situation in which it happened, in the end she agreed to it. And if you agree to it, even if you would rather have seen it perform in a different way, it's not rape anymore.

2)The actions I described above go beyond mere 'acquiescence'; it's actively agreeing and participating. That she isn't totally happy with how it came about is likely, though that doesn't make it rape. A victim of rape does not have any choice in the matter: she did. A victim of rape does not entwine hands with her rapist nor pulls him toward her stroking his head and neck; she did. One could possible come up with speculations to explain it all, but as of yet, it remains ambiguous, thus, if it should be considered rape.

3) The attempt failed. ;-) In the end, we'll have to see how Saki really feels about it, and if she considers it rape. Seen her actions, and the fact she was going for him since the start, one might presume it wasn't really all that against her will. But we'll see. And yes, if it is considered rape, one would have to acknowledge it wasn't Haruto raping her. Saying 'legally, it was his body raping her.' doesn't make for any precedent, because legally, in our current time it is presumed our body is controlled by our own mind. I think it hardly doubtful, for instance, that, if someone WERE controlled by someone else, and made a crime beyond his will or power to stop it, that it would be regarded by the courts as him being the culprit, as opposed to the one controlling him.

Maybe some day will come where this is tested. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=artificial-limbs-controlled-by-thought Imagine someone gaining control over those limbs, overriding the thoughts of the owner: would one really hold the person himself accountable? I doubt it.

1. FOR THE LAST TIME GOD DAMNIT - RAPE IS NOT ABOUT RESISTING OR NOT RESISTING. ITS ABOUT LACK CONSENT ON INITIATION. Mental coercion still counts as rape. If girl is not resisting physically it does NOT make it suddenly not rape.
2. Most of rape victims give up during the act. But giving in or giving up does NOT magically make it not rape. NOt resisting at all also does not make it not rape, as the taking away of consent doe snot have to be physical. Being in duress counts too.
3. It doe snot matter how victim feels or if she/he considers it rape. Its still rape.

the blatant misogyny, rape apologism and rape culture in this thread is nauseating.

Jun 15, 2013 4:28 AM

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somehow i think i just saw a forced 16.5 @@

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Fai said:

1. FOR THE LAST TIME GOD DAMNIT - RAPE IS NOT ABOUT RESISTING OR NOT RESISTING. ITS ABOUT LACK CONSENT ON INITIATION. Mental coercion still counts as rape. If girl is not resisting physically it does NOT make it suddenly not rape.
2. Most of rape victims give up during the act. But giving in or giving up does NOT magically make it not rape. NOt resisting at all also does not make it not rape, as the taking away of consent doe snot have to be physical. Being in duress counts too.
3. It doe snot matter how victim feels or if she/he considers it rape. Its still rape.

the blatant misogyny, rape apologism and rape culture in this thread is nauseating.

Call Anita, she loves controversy. It's no that by watching this episode every man that watches the scene it is going to transform into a rapist beast. Just repeat to yourself: "It's only fiction".

Jun 15, 2013 4:37 AM

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Fai said:

AnimageNeby said:

solarhiro said:

ManusDomini said:

AnimageNeby said:
I mean...imagine you are being controlled by some nanobots or other technology and *you* have no control over your body, but something else is (or it removes your conscience entirely)... even if your body f- somebody, would it still be your fault and you bear the responsibility of the actions someone/something else takes *with* your body?

Three responses:

1} Saki was clearly raped. Whether it was Haruto or the Valvrave who raped her makes little difference. And, legally, it was Haruto's body which raped Saki.

2} Acquiescence after giving up doesn't make this not rape.

3} I was attempting to avoid this entire discussion and talk about some other parts of the show.

Imo, both of them were raped since both of them were forced into the act without consent.

Hmm.

1)I don't think it was all that 'clear'. Yes, she asked: what are you doing? in the beginning. But then: she didn't resist, while previously (the elevator scene), it was shown she could easily set him straight. Furthermore, when she said 'I see, it's a curse.' she actually accepted him, she put her hand on the back of his neck, she intertwined her hands with his, etc.: all behaviour you wouldn't do when you are actually being raped. And finally, she only would have to bite him to swap bodies and end the 'rape' too, yet she didn't. All this rather points to the fact that, while surprised and not happy with the particular situation in which it happened, in the end she agreed to it. And if you agree to it, even if you would rather have seen it perform in a different way, it's not rape anymore.

2)The actions I described above go beyond mere 'acquiescence'; it's actively agreeing and participating. That she isn't totally happy with how it came about is likely, though that doesn't make it rape. A victim of rape does not have any choice in the matter: she did. A victim of rape does not entwine hands with her rapist nor pulls him toward her stroking his head and neck; she did. One could possible come up with speculations to explain it all, but as of yet, it remains ambiguous, thus, if it should be considered rape.

3) The attempt failed. ;-) In the end, we'll have to see how Saki really feels about it, and if she considers it rape. Seen her actions, and the fact she was going for him since the start, one might presume it wasn't really all that against her will. But we'll see. And yes, if it is considered rape, one would have to acknowledge it wasn't Haruto raping her. Saying 'legally, it was his body raping her.' doesn't make for any precedent, because legally, in our current time it is presumed our body is controlled by our own mind. I think it hardly doubtful, for instance, that, if someone WERE controlled by someone else, and made a crime beyond his will or power to stop it, that it would be regarded by the courts as him being the culprit, as opposed to the one controlling him.

Maybe some day will come where this is tested. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=artificial-limbs-controlled-by-thought Imagine someone gaining control over those limbs, overriding the thoughts of the owner: would one really hold the person himself accountable? I doubt it.

1. FOR THE LAST TIME GOD DAMNIT - RAPE IS NOT ABOUT RESISTING OR NOT RESISTING. ITS ABOUT LACK CONSENT ON INITIATION. Mental coercion still counts as rape. If girl is not resisting physically it does NOT make it suddenly not rape.
2. Most of rape victims give up during the act. But giving in or giving up does NOT magically make it not rape. NOt resisting at all also does not make it not rape, as the taking away of consent doe snot have to be physical. Being in duress counts too.
3. It doe snot matter how victim feels or if she/he considers it rape. Its still rape.

the blatant misogyny, rape apologism and rape culture in this thread is nauseating.

Temper, temper. I do not see any rape apolgism or rape culture, so I think it's more in your head then anything else. Well, I guess you always have some trolls, but most of the posts discussing whether it was rape or not simply seem to logically point out some discrepancies.

And it feels like you've completely ignored my counterarguments on your points.

1) I never said it's about resisting or not resisting (as an absolute measure of when something is rape), I said her actions rather indicated her agreement than her refusal. She could have easily stopped him, she didn't. She showed signs of actually participating. In the end, though, we'll have to see next episode. For now, it seems more likely than not she consented to it. Furthermore, he didn't mentally coerce her into it; he hadn't the clearness of mind anymore to do that at that point. She herself came to the conclusion that she rather share his cursed fate, and decided to agree to his actions instead of stopping him. If so, than she herself agreed to it, and while it's a sad given, we still must respect her choice in the matter.

2)This is the same argument as before; the 'acquiescence' of Saki. Only, I don't think it was merely 'acquiescence', seen the fact she also actively participated. One common trait of victims of rape is that they had no choice in the matter, and do not agree with it. Saki had a choice and showed signs of actually participating in it. This, in turn, points to it being more likely with her consent than against it. The *reasons* for that consent do not matter, as long as there is consent.

3)But it does. With adults, if none of the involved parties consider it rape, it IS NOT rape. Anything else would be ridiculous. The people - at least when they're adults - who determine if it was with or without consent and thus rape or not, are the people involved, not some third party. I know of no example where a prosecutor indicted for the crime of 'rape' of a person when both adults involved do not consider it to be rape themselves. Do you?

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These comments...

Just show retarded people and thoughts are.

Fai said:

Kaioshin_Sama said:
This thread is hands down the worst most insultingly dumb thread on this episode of any board I've seen in this entire week so far. That's an astounding accomplishment of ignorance. Once again MAL has proved it has one of the worst userbases on the internet. Like pretty much 90% shitposting and what barely amount to sentences.

^this

70% percent of people posting are "hey its not rape if she liked it *wink wink*" misogynist assholes.
20% of people posting are "LOLOLOLCOMEDYIMANOTGOINGTOPOSTANOPINION".
and the leftover 10% spend time facepalming at the both other groups and trying to actually talk about actual show.

Reading all those type of stupid comments after joining MAL made me realize how stupid some people can be. I always had a high opinion on anime fans but now.....sigh. At least there are some people like you guys else MAL would have been a very dull place.

Jun 15, 2013 4:57 AM

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Gotta feel bad for Haruto, Saki and Shoko. Pretty depressing scenario :-(. Wonder how this will play out in the next ep. I kinda felt sorry for Satomi in that election as well. He proper thought everything out. If both he and Shoko focused on balancing the needs of the students out they would probably make a good team. With L-elf on the military strategies. Hoping Haruto will still be able to fight ok without having a mental breakdown or something...

Jun 15, 2013 5:04 AM

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I hope they all die on the moon they planned to celebrate on. Seriously if what Shoko said was all that was needed to convince the students who their leader during a time of war should be, then they all deserve to die. Motivational speech is alright, but how about some idea of how she would lead?

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I hope they all die on the moon they planned to celebrate on. Seriously if what Shoko said was all that was needed to convince the students who their leader during a time of war should be, then they all deserve to die. Motivational speech is alright, but how about some idea of how she would lead?

Well...true. The other guy there, the students president or what was it, made a far more sensible speech.

That said...it's not that uncommon. Look at the current government/politicians around you. It only shows how stupid most people are, and the lack of rational thought goes into their voting. Most of the hoi palloi WILL choose rather for a politician who promises them beer and hamburgers, or who charm them with short-term sweet-talk, than for a politician who actually has thought about the matter and tries to explain a detailed plan to restore the economy, for instance.

Jun 15, 2013 5:33 AM

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I got a feeling that eruerufu knows what's happening between haruto and saki during shouko's speech,
hence the camera take a close up on his face with serious look.....
gotta feel bad for shouko, she wanna confess yet she's just got NTR'd by OS-tan

Jun 15, 2013 5:55 AM

#426

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This was an amazing episode, I was in udder shock when the scene at the end

started to happen. At first I was thinking there is no way that this no show

would actually incorporate rape into this series. During the Shouko election

speech, when she said to everyone" You can do whatever you want". I was

thinking that's to broad of a statement, what if someone takes that as they can

rape someone. Then seconds later it happens, but in a different context. To

wrap up my thoughts , I didn't see the show going to a serious route like this. I

have high hopes for this series. I have a feeling this series is just going to keep

getting darker and complex. The aftermath of this should be interesting, I see

black-mailing in the future and a shit ton of guilt.

Jun 15, 2013 6:31 AM

#427

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Nothing worth of my time and taste to discuss here. Off to watch Hunter X Hunter.

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Jun 15, 2013 6:32 AM

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Wow, 400+ posts.

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あいつら未来に生きてんな

Jun 15, 2013 6:40 AM

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Fai said:

1. FOR THE LAST TIME GOD DAMNIT - RAPE IS NOT ABOUT RESISTING OR NOT RESISTING. ITS ABOUT LACK CONSENT ON INITIATION. Mental coercion still counts as rape. If girl is not resisting physically it does NOT make it suddenly not rape.
2. Most of rape victims give up during the act. But giving in or giving up does NOT magically make it not rape. NOt resisting at all also does not make it not rape, as the taking away of consent doe snot have to be physical. Being in duress counts too.
3. It doe snot matter how victim feels or if she/he considers it rape. Its still rape.

the blatant misogyny, rape apologism and rape culture in this thread is nauseating.

1 - If she had truly wanted him off, she was perfectly capable of doing so, as was shown in the elevator scene, she is perfectly capable of stopping him.
2 - She didn't give up, though, from what we saw, she actively participated, IE, entwining their hands, gently stroking his hair, etc.
3 - She loves him and wanted to help him, so it wasn't rape.

P.S - Your cute little attempt at trying to make people look like misogynists amuses me nearly as much as Julia Gizzard does. ;)

Jun 15, 2013 6:41 AM

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shanimebib said:
Nothing worth of my time and taste to discuss here. Off to watch Hunter X Hunter.

someone said he doesn't care and yet leave a comment here

Jun 15, 2013 6:43 AM

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AnimageNeby said:

solarhiro said:

ManusDomini said:

AnimageNeby said:
I mean...imagine you are being controlled by some nanobots or other technology and *you* have no control over your body, but something else is (or it removes your conscience entirely)... even if your body f- somebody, would it still be your fault and you bear the responsibility of the actions someone/something else takes *with* your body?

Three responses:

1} Saki was clearly raped. Whether it was Haruto or the Valvrave who raped her makes little difference. And, legally, it was Haruto's body which raped Saki.

2} Acquiescence after giving up doesn't make this not rape.

3} I was attempting to avoid this entire discussion and talk about some other parts of the show.

Imo, both of them were raped since both of them were forced into the act without consent.

Hmm.

1)I don't think it was all that 'clear'. Yes, she asked: what are you doing? in the beginning. But then: she didn't resist, while previously (the elevator scene), it was shown she could easily set him straight. Furthermore, when she said 'I see, it's a curse.' she actually accepted him, she put her hand on the back of his neck, she intertwined her hands with his, etc.: all behaviour you wouldn't do when you are actually being raped. And finally, she only would have to bite him to swap bodies and end the 'rape' too, yet she didn't. All this rather points to the fact that, while surprised and not happy with the particular situation in which it happened, in the end she agreed to it. And if you agree to it, even if you would rather have seen it perform in a different way, it's not rape anymore.

Did it ever occur to you that she gave in simply because she would rather be the one who receives the worst side of Haruto's curse (so far; his condition may atrophy further) rather than someone else? That swapping bodies would only have been temporary and that, maybe, her sacrifice would prevent another from being raped (from her point of view)?

AnimageNeby said:
2)The actions I described above go beyond mere 'acquiescence'; it's actively agreeing and participating. That she isn't totally happy with how it came about is likely, though that doesn't make it rape. A victim of rape does not have any choice in the matter: she did. A victim of rape does not entwine hands with her rapist nor pulls him toward her stroking his head and neck; she did. One could possible come up with speculations to explain it all, but as of yet, it remains ambiguous, thus, if it should be considered rape.

Physical choice, I won't deny, she had (to a limited extent). Mental choice, though? As I said, if she acquiesced because she was hoping to stop Haruto's curse from hurting others, I wouldn't say that she wasn't raped, but that she didn't really have a choice.

AnimageNeby said:
3) The attempt failed. ;-) In the end, we'll have to see how Saki really feels about it, and if she considers it rape. Seen her actions, and the fact she was going for him since the start, one might presume it wasn't really all that against her will. But we'll see. And yes, if it is considered rape, one would have to acknowledge it wasn't Haruto raping her. Saying 'legally, it was his body raping her.' doesn't make for any precedent, because legally, in our current time it is presumed our body is controlled by our own mind. I think it hardly doubtful, for instance, that, if someone WERE controlled by someone else, and made a crime beyond his will or power to stop it, that it would be regarded by the courts as him being the culprit, as opposed to the one controlling him.

What is with the "the fact she was going for him since the start, one might presume it wasn't really all that against her will", huh? There is no world in which liking someone else says, "Oh, yeah, I wanna engage in sexual intercourse with you whenever you want." The closest there is to such an idea are nations in which marital rape and/or bridal kidnapping are permitted; and even in those, I would still consider the cases rape.

Jun 15, 2013 6:45 AM

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ranzero said:

shanimebib said:
Nothing worth of my time and taste to discuss here. Off to watch Hunter X Hunter.

someone said he doesn't care and yet leave a comment here

Itachi facepalm for the win!

But seriously, if you want to debate the morals of rape, can't you make a thread for that elsewhere? There is probably several already around, go there and argue about it...

Jun 15, 2013 6:50 AM

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Fai said:

AnimageNeby said:

solarhiro said:

ManusDomini said:

AnimageNeby said:
I mean...imagine you are being controlled by some nanobots or other technology and *you* have no control over your body, but something else is (or it removes your conscience entirely)... even if your body f- somebody, would it still be your fault and you bear the responsibility of the actions someone/something else takes *with* your body?

Three responses:

1} Saki was clearly raped. Whether it was Haruto or the Valvrave who raped her makes little difference. And, legally, it was Haruto's body which raped Saki.

2} Acquiescence after giving up doesn't make this not rape.

3} I was attempting to avoid this entire discussion and talk about some other parts of the show.

Imo, both of them were raped since both of them were forced into the act without consent.

Hmm.

1)I don't think it was all that 'clear'. Yes, she asked: what are you doing? in the beginning. But then: she didn't resist, while previously (the elevator scene), it was shown she could easily set him straight. Furthermore, when she said 'I see, it's a curse.' she actually accepted him, she put her hand on the back of his neck, she intertwined her hands with his, etc.: all behaviour you wouldn't do when you are actually being raped. And finally, she only would have to bite him to swap bodies and end the 'rape' too, yet she didn't. All this rather points to the fact that, while surprised and not happy with the particular situation in which it happened, in the end she agreed to it. And if you agree to it, even if you would rather have seen it perform in a different way, it's not rape anymore.

2)The actions I described above go beyond mere 'acquiescence'; it's actively agreeing and participating. That she isn't totally happy with how it came about is likely, though that doesn't make it rape. A victim of rape does not have any choice in the matter: she did. A victim of rape does not entwine hands with her rapist nor pulls him toward her stroking his head and neck; she did. One could possible come up with speculations to explain it all, but as of yet, it remains ambiguous, thus, if it should be considered rape.

3) The attempt failed. ;-) In the end, we'll have to see how Saki really feels about it, and if she considers it rape. Seen her actions, and the fact she was going for him since the start, one might presume it wasn't really all that against her will. But we'll see. And yes, if it is considered rape, one would have to acknowledge it wasn't Haruto raping her. Saying 'legally, it was his body raping her.' doesn't make for any precedent, because legally, in our current time it is presumed our body is controlled by our own mind. I think it hardly doubtful, for instance, that, if someone WERE controlled by someone else, and made a crime beyond his will or power to stop it, that it would be regarded by the courts as him being the culprit, as opposed to the one controlling him.

Maybe some day will come where this is tested. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=artificial-limbs-controlled-by-thought Imagine someone gaining control over those limbs, overriding the thoughts of the owner: would one really hold the person himself accountable? I doubt it.

1. FOR THE LAST TIME GOD DAMNIT - RAPE IS NOT ABOUT RESISTING OR NOT RESISTING. ITS ABOUT LACK CONSENT ON INITIATION. Mental coercion still counts as rape. If girl is not resisting physically it does NOT make it suddenly not rape.
2. Most of rape victims give up during the act. But giving in or giving up does NOT magically make it not rape. NOt resisting at all also does not make it not rape, as the taking away of consent doe snot have to be physical. Being in duress counts too.
3. It doe snot matter how victim feels or if she/he considers it rape. Its still rape.

the blatant misogyny, rape apologism and rape culture in this thread is nauseating.

To be fair, only a few people (AshShiki?) are blatant misogynists, rape apologists, and proponents of rape culture. I think more argue that it isn't rape for not-entirely invalid reasons, such as:

A} A human was not raping her, as Haruto was not in control of his body, and, legally, rape is defined as a human raping another human. I disagree with this because she was raped by a human, it just was a human not in control of his body.

B} Haruto was raped; this is plausible, and I am not fully denying this, for he really had no say in this intercourse and was forced into it.

C} Saki was surprised at first and then realized she really wanted this (not because she kissed him or something like that), and the "proof" of this is that she could have stopped him somehow. I disagree with this because even if she had full access to physical resource, I think her knowledge that her own sacrifice might be able to save others, at least temporarily, prevented her from really saying, "yes."

Some are what you claim; not everyone, though.

Jun 15, 2013 7:06 AM

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AnimageNeby said:

keeenu060 said:
I hope they all die on the moon they planned to celebrate on. Seriously if what Shoko said was all that was needed to convince the students who their leader during a time of war should be, then they all deserve to die. Motivational speech is alright, but how about some idea of how she would lead?

Well...true. The other guy there, the students president or what was it, made a far more sensible speech.

That said...it's not that uncommon. Look at the current government/politicians around you. It only shows how stupid most people are, and the lack of rational thought goes into their voting. Most of the hoi palloi WILL choose rather for a politician who promises them beer and hamburgers, or who charm them with short-term sweet-talk, than for a politician who actually has thought about the matter and tries to explain a detailed plan to restore the economy, for instance.

Let's just hope it costs them greatly just to show how stupid Shouko and those kids are. Satomi's got the brain but lacks the backbone. Sadly as long as Shouko is giving out candies (do whatever they want and have fun seriously???) the stupids kids will follow her around like that and in turn it will make it even easier for L-elf to use them pawns. I bet he is laughing his ass off after the election. If these fuckers blame Haruto and the other Valvrave pilots when something bad happens then they really deserve to die. They are having all sot to problems and here you guys are having fun.

Jun 15, 2013 7:11 AM

#435

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:

AnimageNeby said:

keeenu060 said:
I hope they all die on the moon they planned to celebrate on. Seriously if what Shoko said was all that was needed to convince the students who their leader during a time of war should be, then they all deserve to die. Motivational speech is alright, but how about some idea of how she would lead?

Well...true. The other guy there, the students president or what was it, made a far more sensible speech.

That said...it's not that uncommon. Look at the current government/politicians around you. It only shows how stupid most people are, and the lack of rational thought goes into their voting. Most of the hoi palloi WILL choose rather for a politician who promises them beer and hamburgers, or who charm them with short-term sweet-talk, than for a politician who actually has thought about the matter and tries to explain a detailed plan to restore the economy, for instance.

Let's just hope it costs them greatly just to show how stupid Shouko and those kids are. Satomi's got the brain but lacks the backbone. Sadly as long as Shouko is giving out candies (do whatever they want and have fun seriously???) the stupids kids will follow her around like that and in turn it will make it even easier for L-elf to use them pawns. I bet he is laughing his ass off after the election. If these fuckers blame Haruto and the other Valvrave pilots when something bad happens then they really deserve to die. They are having all sot to problems and here you guys are having fun.

second that, it's like this is ichiro okouchi flop....
seems like he doesn't even care anymore about real logic in this anime

Jun 15, 2013 7:13 AM

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Well, that, um, escalated quickly. I certainly wasn't expecting someone to get raped in this show.

Let's hope we get to see the effects and aftermath of said scene. If this isn't treated seriously...

Jun 15, 2013 7:25 AM

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OutlawJess said:
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bobs <3

Jun 15, 2013 7:26 AM

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The face of a rapist.

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Jun 15, 2013 7:56 AM

#439

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is haruto the only one who goes vamp the others dont is that because of the special valvrave and doesnt it mean that the others are different from him and possibly meaning they arent immortal like him or does the vampire instinct start after dieing because the first time haruto went vamp was after l elf shot him to death and the others have yet to die

Jun 15, 2013 8:18 AM

#440

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I don't get why he tries to rape someone instead of biting them when he is possessed by the Valvrave influence. I mean, he didn't try to rape L-Ef the first time he went batshit crazy did he?

Or the influence one of those "magnify your desires" thing and some small part of Haruto really wanted to have sex with Saki. It would make sense then because he would've wanted to kick L-Ef's ass the first time, so it got magnified as biting him.

Jun 15, 2013 8:25 AM

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newnar said:
I don't get why he tries to rape someone instead of biting them when he is possessed by the Valvrave influence. I mean, he didn't try to rape L-Ef the first time he went batshit crazy did he?

Or the influence one of those "magnify your desires" thing and some small part of Haruto really wanted to have sex with Saki. It would make sense then because he would've wanted to kick L-Ef's ass the first time, so it got magnified as biting him.

Kid it's the AI. It is interested in human behavior and it saw Saki and Haruto kissing before and wondered whether it was sex. No it is not "magnify your desires". He had no reason to attack Kyuma that time remember. So stop blaming the MC for this. He too is a victim alongside Saki.

kingfelix92 said:
is haruto the only one who goes vamp the others dont is that because of the special valvrave and doesnt it mean that the others are different from him and possibly meaning they arent immortal like him or does the vampire instinct start after dieing because the first time haruto went vamp was after l elf shot him to death and the others have yet to die

No offense but are you really watching the show because those questions are not really something your should be asking if you noticed the stuff going on. Only the Red Valvrave has the cute AI. The others are immortal and they can switch bodies but Haruto gets those impulse under the influence of the AI.

Jun 15, 2013 8:31 AM

#442

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:

newnar said:
I don't get why he tries to rape someone instead of biting them when he is possessed by the Valvrave influence. I mean, he didn't try to rape L-Ef the first time he went batshit crazy did he?

Or the influence one of those "magnify your desires" thing and some small part of Haruto really wanted to have sex with Saki. It would make sense then because he would've wanted to kick L-Ef's ass the first time, so it got magnified as biting him.

Kid it's the AI. It is interested in human behavior and it saw Saki and Haruto kissing before and wondered whether it was sex. No it is not "magnify your desires". He had no reason to attack Kyuma that time remember. So stop blaming the MC for this. He too is a victim alongside Saki.

So it was the AI who made him take a bite out of L-Ef that first time too? Why would the AI do that? Especially if at the point of time the AI barely even knows anything at all about human behaviour.

Jun 15, 2013 9:16 AM

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AnimageNeby said:

Temper, temper. I do not see any rape apolgism or rape culture, so I think it's more in your head then anything else. Well, I guess you always have some trolls, but most of the posts discussing whether it was rape or not simply seem to logically point out some discrepancies.

You would not. MOst of those participating in that honestly do not understand what they are doing or WHY it is wrong.

1) I never said it's about resisting or not resisting (as an absolute measure of when something is rape), I said her actions rather indicated her agreement than her refusal. She could have easily stopped him, she didn't. She showed signs of actually participating. In the end, though, we'll have to see next episode. For now, it seems more likely than not she consented to it. Furthermore, he didn't mentally coerce her into it; he hadn't the clearness of mind anymore to do that at that point. She herself came to the conclusion that she rather share his cursed fate, and decided to agree to his actions instead of stopping him. If so, than she herself agreed to it, and while it's a sad given, we still must respect her choice in the matter.

Consent is is not about GIVING IN. Its about agreeing to the thing in the first place.

Giving in actually ends up taking A BIGGER toll on stability of the victim, as most of women who actually felt pleasure from being raped, end up highly depressed and suicidal as most of the cases prove

As for those "she could have stopped him physically" arguments? already explained in part about mental coercion - she did not, so he would NOT go against other people, like she saw him try in the elevator. But that still means she is mentally coerced to let it happen. That's still rape.

2)This is the same argument as before; the 'acquiescence' of Saki. Only, I don't think it was merely 'acquiescence', seen the fact she also actively participated. One common trait of victims of rape is that they had no choice in the matter, and do not agree with it. Saki had a choice and showed signs of actually participating in it. This, in turn, points to it being more likely with her consent than against it. The *reasons* for that consent do not matter, as long as there is consent.

What you are talking about PHYSICAL choice.
You can have physical freedom, but not mental one as in this case.

As for consent, it does not matter that she participated. She did not participate in the initiation of it.
To put it in layman's terms:
NO then YES = Rape.
NO then NO = Rape.
YES then NO = RAPE
YES then YES = consensual sex.

Rape encompass far more than just physical restriction or advantage. Things like sex by blackmail also counts as rape(namely referenced as rape under duress), not to mention things like sex with unconscious, intoxicated or drugged person.

3)But it does. With adults, if none of the involved parties consider it rape, it IS NOT rape. Anything else would be ridiculous. The people - at least when they're adults - who determine if it was with or without consent and thus rape or not, are the people involved, not some third party. I know of no example where a prosecutor indicted for the crime of 'rape' of a person when both adults involved do not consider it to be rape themselves. Do you?

That's problem with a patriarchal rape culture since women are taught that if you liked it its entirely okay, even if you did not initiate it or agree with its initiation. In reality however, its still rape.

Jun 15, 2013 9:16 AM

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newnar said:

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

newnar said:
I don't get why he tries to rape someone instead of biting them when he is possessed by the Valvrave influence. I mean, he didn't try to rape L-Ef the first time he went batshit crazy did he?

Or the influence one of those "magnify your desires" thing and some small part of Haruto really wanted to have sex with Saki. It would make sense then because he would've wanted to kick L-Ef's ass the first time, so it got magnified as biting him.

Kid it's the AI. It is interested in human behavior and it saw Saki and Haruto kissing before and wondered whether it was sex. No it is not "magnify your desires". He had no reason to attack Kyuma that time remember. So stop blaming the MC for this. He too is a victim alongside Saki.

So it was the AI who made him take a bite out of L-Ef that first time too? Why would the AI do that? Especially if at the point of time the AI barely even knows anything at all about human behaviour.

Did you see the part when the AI said "I am hungry" at the exact same time Haruto attacked L-elf (the 2nd time)? By your reasoning , he should have had a reason to attack Kyuma right. Care to enlighten us? My guess is that the first time was the AI desire to protect herself and also to save the pilot. Self-preservation doesn't really need to be known or learned.

Jun 15, 2013 9:23 AM

#445

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:

el_putazo said:
These comments...

Just show retarded people and thoughts are.

Fai said:

Kaioshin_Sama said:
This thread is hands down the worst most insultingly dumb thread on this episode of any board I've seen in this entire week so far. That's an astounding accomplishment of ignorance. Once again MAL has proved it has one of the worst userbases on the internet. Like pretty much 90% shitposting and what barely amount to sentences.

^this

70% percent of people posting are "hey its not rape if she liked it *wink wink*" misogynist assholes.
20% of people posting are "LOLOLOLCOMEDYIMANOTGOINGTOPOSTANOPINION".
and the leftover 10% spend time facepalming at the both other groups and trying to actually talk about actual show.

Reading all those type of stupid comments after joining MAL made me realize how stupid some people can be. I always had a high opinion on anime fans but now.....sigh. At least there are some people like you guys else MAL would have been a very dull place.

The last 6 years or so have pretty much ruined anime fandom for me because it's become increasingly clear that over half the fans seem to have no real appreciation or attachment to anything they watch. They just follow the most popular shows of any given season and claim to like or outright hate them based on things like the name of the production studio, the names of the staff involved, whether the hero has a conscience or not, the degree of violence present in the story, how attractive and or sexy the female cast is, and just really simplistic and irrelevant criteria that has nothing to do with what the show actually accomplishes or doesn't as a piece of work. When called upon to elaborate they mostly just stumble around and come out with some dumb meme or double down on what they've already said instead of relating their experiences like a normal human being IF they bother to try to answer at all. Also so many are just way to damn emotional and over the top with their reactions that are clearly just meant to be attention whoring as far as I can tell. The problem is since everyone is jockying for that one liner that they apparently hope can become a meme or rallying cry of some sort all posts start to look the same and the threads just devolve into a mess of noise and nonsense.

It's pretty disappointing where we are now as a fandom, I don't always remember it being like this where everyone is so uninformed and reactionary. It must be a generational thing or something or it's people that have spent a little too much time on 4chan, but it's pretty disconcerting. And yeah without the occasional rational person it becomes unbearable. My survival plan has been to pick out specific rare posters that clearly have a clue and can form a proper sentence and then chat them up for a while and then if things check out add them to my contacts so I can seek out their opinion and bounce ideas off of and just generally shoot the shit with them.

Jun 15, 2013 9:37 AM

#446

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This show has really gone down the drain with me. I thought it was gonna be a promise Mecha anime and it turn into a non-sense story/Hentai anime. I believe L-elf should take the lead for MC because Haruto does not fit that role.

Jun 15, 2013 9:40 AM

#447

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I thought they needed a Prime Minister for their 'New' Isolated Separated floating Nation (not for the Jior that remained intact on the same area as hostage by the space Nazi), but instead Shoko took it as them needing a new Prime Minister because the old Prime Minister Died...

After watching this far i was going to think it was meant for young audience until i saw the rape scene lol.

And I thought the vampire in Unit 01 was hungry and needed blood but instead Haruto raped someone rather than suck their blood ;_;

They say a good show is when you won't see whats coming next... but on this one you won't see anything coming because its full of randomness, the story is like a puzzle which is consist of various events (some maybe from existing shows) and they just connect them together in 5 minutes then went on and animated it.

There is just no steady flow with the events happening per episode, it feels like they just put any idea they wanted to put.

I like the mecha fight scene's at least and the Valvrave Concept Design.

オール・イズ・バニッティー

Jun 15, 2013 9:45 AM

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