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Jun 4, 2013 9:26 AM

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Dalek-baka said:
But more about OST, vocal albums and of course OP/ED singles. Those sale decently if I recall.
The OP/ED single came to about 23k in sales by last week. As for the Dokidoki Precure OST, actually it was released at the same time as the Mako-P album but only Mako-P album ranks in the top 100...

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I'm curious as how to the other Spring shows will sell, especially Henneko.
You can get some initial idea with an analysis I wrote last week http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=603363&show=100#msg22330719 . The data are a bit old but I plan to write an update in 2-3 weeks time.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Jun 4, 2013 9:29 AM

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Great to see Yamato 2199 selling consistently as ever being about 2k under GuP when you count DVDs. Really neglected by western anime fans that needs more love
Jun 4, 2013 9:41 AM

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Good for Girls und Panzer still holding top spots!
And also for Sakurasou no pet no Kanojo moving in 15th :D
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Jun 4, 2013 9:42 AM

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AO968 said:


I'm curious as how to the other Spring shows will sell, especially Henneko.


Me too!!!
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Jun 4, 2013 9:49 AM

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Glad to see Love Live doing well, as well as Little Busters. GnP doing good still, lol.

Didn't expect Karneval to sell that good.
Jun 4, 2013 10:56 AM

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14, *2,230 **2,230 Yuyushiki vol.1

I get the feeling at least half of those are jmal's.
Jun 4, 2013 11:00 AM

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ihateeveryone said:
14, *2,230 **2,230 Yuyushiki vol.1

I get the feeling at least half of those are jmal's.
Just two I think LOL. And one is mine!
Jun 4, 2013 11:15 AM

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Nyaruko-san has started to wear on my nerves a little bit. There is just no chemistry between Mahiro and Nyaruko. The idea of a tsundere male lead and a perverted girl was an interesting idea but as the novelty has worn off, I can see why it isn't done more often.

Even Nyaruko's scene on the bed alone with Mahiro, in episode 6 or 7, just felt awkward more than anything else. I thought that would be a touching scene but it left me unmoved.

The comedy and the parody can hit sometimes and the art is nice. There is some value here but overall I'm kind of disappointed.
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Nice seeing Kotonoha no Niwa's theme song up there :) Although that's not really surprising, seeing how many people anticipated the film.
Jun 4, 2013 12:39 PM

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Nyaruko-san has started to wear on my nerves a little bit. There is just no chemistry between Mahiro and Nyaruko. The idea of a tsundere male lead and a perverted girl was an interesting idea but as the novelty has worn off, I can see why it isn't done more often.

Even Nyaruko's scene on the bed alone with Mahiro, in episode 6 or 7, just felt awkward more than anything else. I thought that would be a touching scene but it left me unmoved.

The comedy and the parody can hit sometimes and the art is nice. There is some value here but overall I'm kind of disappointed.


It needs way more anime/manga/game references and less romance, the romantic aspect has sadly worn out it's welcome.


Jun 4, 2013 1:22 PM

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Girls und Panzer and Vividred are selling pretty good, was not expecting it!
Jun 4, 2013 8:55 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:

And SAO is going to fall as well. After 2 weeks Vol 8 sold a little under 30,000 combined disks. While they may get a few more this week, that is 5,600 less than their normal average spread out of the 7 vol, that is a reduction of 800 in their average sales, dropping them to around 34,836. The final vol 9 does have that novella attached to it, so they may be able to remedy the situation, a lot of rot has set in.

I had a feeling this was going to happen, and if my prediction holds Vol 6 of GnP will well exceed 36K in sales because of the awesomeness of the final two episodes, making 15th as probably the extreme best we can hope for. I'll be routing all the way. My only hope is that the various production companies take the right lessons away from its success.


I did a few calculations. If v8 reaches at least 31k and v9 reaches 35k because of the novel attached... then its average will be 35,702.

Now if we assume these averages happens for GaruPan:
*1,000 Standard Edition
*1,550 DVD (currently at 1,417.5)
33,152 BD (currently at 32,402.8)
35,703 Total

Then v6 needs to hit 36,904... which doesn't include what v5 could potentially add next week. So if v5 adds a lot, then it should be a lot less than almost 37k.

As always, variables such the SAO volumes charting in the mid-year ranking in June will increase its average. GaruPan v1 and v2 may add more in the mid-year ranking... but it is still heavily handicapped by sales from Bandai Visual (estimated to be at least 10k~12k sales at the minimum). The v1+v2 encore pressing deliveries will be on June 10, but we will never know exactly how much was sold there (Bandai apparently doesn't report to Oricon).

I have a feeling SAO will still win at the end because of this handicap... but it would be awesome if GaruPan ends up winning.
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Jun 4, 2013 9:35 PM
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Ejc said:
I have a feeling SAO will still win at the end because of this handicap... but it would be awesome if GaruPan ends up winning.


I am not biased enough to recognize that SAO will probably win, and it isn't as if I hate SAO, I actually do like the novels, but for me SAO is what was wrong with an adaptation, and GuP is what is right about a anime adaptation, so I am really hoping that GuP pulls the upset.
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GuP is what is right about a anime adaptation

Everything right about Saki-inspired anime original content.
Jun 4, 2013 10:26 PM
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Everything right about Saki-inspired anime original content.

You say that like there is something wrong with "Saki-inspired anime original content"

No, though I have really enjoyed Saki it really isn't in the same league as GuP. In Saki, Ritsu-sensei's manga succeeds regardless of the animation direction, but in GuP you have the perfect marriage of story and animation direction. The director makes the story better than in the Manga. This is why I am so happy that both the OVA and Movie will have both the same writer and director.
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Meddigo said:
Everything right about Saki-inspired anime original content.
I thought saki was psychic battle animu.
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Takuan_Soho said:
You say that like there is something wrong with "Saki-inspired anime original content"
No, he's saying GuP is original anime and not adaptation.
Manga is adaptation of anime, spin-off or whatever it is, haven't read it but it certainly came later.

To me Saki is better than GuP, matches are much more exciting, and girls are actually really cute.

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I thought saki was psychic battle animu.
It's sports anime, GuP is sports anime as well. However mahjong needs some visualization to seem more dynamic because of obvious limitations while tanks are fine by themselves. Well, sports shows are pretty close to battle shounens with their mood, so your opinion doesn't surprise me.
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Any numbers for the first Chihayafuru 2 boxset?
Jun 5, 2013 12:33 AM

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GarLogan78 said:
Any numbers for the first Chihayafuru 2 boxset?


Chihayafuru 2 v1:

*,572 DVD
2,689 BD
3,261 Total

Not sure if it'll add more on Thursday with the Top 100 BD list... but it sure didn't rank at all in the Oricon Daily Top 20 BD chart for May 27~June 2.
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Takuan_Soho said:
but for me SAO is what was wrong with an adaptation, and GuP is what is right about a anime adaptation, so I am really hoping that GuP pulls the upset.
As Progeusz said, GuP is never an adpatation, so it seems your premise is fundamentally wrong. At first I thought you were cheering for GuP as what an original anime could pull off compared to the "easy route"of adapting an already successful novel/manga/game (actually it has its own difficulties but I would just along with the crowds here) which is something that anime like Madoka, Anohana and Tiger & Bunny have already proved anyway, but if you are thinking you want GuP to succeed because you think GuP is "what is right about an anime adaptation", you need to rethink why you want GuP to beat SAO in disc sales.
symbvJun 5, 2013 12:50 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Jun 5, 2013 1:22 AM

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Happy with the sales of Girls und Panzer. I'm already fine whatever ranking it gets in the top selling anime, I consider it a bonus for an original anime that was predicted to sell lower than what it's currently earning.
Jun 5, 2013 1:54 AM
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Well I don't find Yuyushiki laugh out loud per-say but it's high energy, likable characters and their interactions with each other make the show very enjoyable. Also, yes, the character designs, those tall eyes really bothered me at first, but I got comfortable with the character designs around the second episode. By now the designs have grown on me enough that I find Aikawa in this weeks eye-catch downright adorable. Contrast this with GJ-bu which I found the character designs cute off the bat but the actual show lacking in entertainment value, yet the latter did better IIRC.

I don't know I just find it a bit perplexing, I think it's one of better slice of life school girl comedies to come out in recent years. Besides Hyakko, I also really liked Soredemo Machi and Danshi Koukousei, maybe it really is all about character design and being cute off the bat, although the latter two maybe all three of these never intended to be cute or moe. Yuyushiki actually is, with all those hazukashii kao's, maybe Yuyushiki could have done better, hmm...
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Oricon Daily Top 30 DVD/Top 20 BD Rankings for June 4.

DVD Daily
**3 **4 **5 **6 **7 **8 **9  週
*** **3 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE 15th Season Gyojintou-hen 7
*** **4 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Inazuma Eleven GO vs Danball Senki W Movie
*** **6 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Inazuma Eleven GO BOX
*** **8 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | NARUTO Shippuden Shinobigatana Shichininshuu no Shou 3
*** *12 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Ixion Saga DT 7
*** *15 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Yondemasu yo, Azazel-san. Z 1
**1 *16 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Aikatsu! 3
**8 *21 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33
*** *23 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 3
*** *28 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Nerawareta Gakuen Movie
*20 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Yamato 2199 5
*22 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Karneval 1

BD Daily
**3 **4 **5 **6 **7 **8 **9  週
*** **7 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Yondemasu yo, Azazel-san. Z 1
*** **8 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | GJ-bu 4
*** *11 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Nerawareta Gakuen Movie
*** *13 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Inazuma Eleven Go vs Danball Senki W Movie
*** *14 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 3
*** *16 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Kotoura-san 3
**1 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Ranma 1/2 BOX 1
**5 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 5
**6 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33
**7 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 3
**9 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Yamato 2199 5
*10 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Little Busters! 6
*12 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 5
*16 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W 1
*17 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | To LOVE-RU Darkness 6
*18 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | SAO 8
*20 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | ViviPan 3
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Although occasionally I can see 2ch picking up poll results from MAL anime series board, I did not know whether there are people in 2ch who check on the News Board, until I saw the following just now:



LOL LOL LOL

Some in 2ch looked at what I wrote and commented that it is not yet "official" but of course the word "official" is used in a tongue-in-cheek way. Except for the deluded, I think what we are seeing is that GirlPan is as good as having outpaced I.S. ;-)
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Jun 5, 2013 5:37 AM

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symbv said:
Although occasionally I can see 2ch picking up poll results from MAL anime series board, I did not know whether there are people in 2ch who check on the News Board, until I saw the following just now:



LOL LOL LOL

Some in 2ch looked at what I wrote and commented that it is not yet "official" but of course the word "official" is used in a tongue-in-cheek way. Except for the deluded, I think what we are seeing is that GirlPan is as good as having outpaced I.S. ;-)


LOL, I also do occasionally see posts from 4chan being posted on 2ch as well... but that is definitely surprising to see that some on 2ch do read the BD/DVD sales thread here on MAL.

The interesting thing is that on 2ch, they regard any format of an anime to have sold 0 if they never charted on the weekly sales lists... which means that the average calculated on 2ch for GaruPan is below Infinite Stratos.

I don't agree with this, because GaruPan v1 DVD definitely sold more than 0 (it ranked 169 that week with a threshold of 1k+, and had the misfortune of being released near Christmas). I guess it is easier for average calculations just to do the old, volume totals (DVD+BD) divided by the number of volumes.
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^ Well, I can understand why that is done because it is difficult to put a number if there is no number. Instead of giving an estimate which can easily lead to dispute, putting it as zero is simple and unambiguous. Of course you can just take out the *** from the average calculation (calculate the BD average and DVD average separately and then combine the two) but this can also lead to dispute.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Jun 5, 2013 5:54 AM

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symbv said:
^ Well, I can understand why that is done because it is difficult to put a number if there is no number. Instead of giving an estimate which can easily lead to dispute, putting it as zero is simple and unambiguous.


I know. Another way could be just to put a range for the average including the format having sold 0 all the way to the Tuesday DVD threshold... but more work I guess... and possibly just one number is easier for comparison with other TV anime.

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Of course you can just take out the *** from the average calculation (calculate the BD average and DVD average separately and then combine the two) but this can also lead to dispute.


I think that's how jmal calculates averages, and I also used this way for the earlier average calculation of 33,819 for GaruPan. I wonder what 2ch will do for the average, for the Standard Edition sales from the Thursday Top 100 BD list?
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Ejc said:
I think that's how jmal calculates averages, and I also used this way for the earlier average calculation of 33,819 for GaruPan. I wonder what 2ch will do for the average, for the Standard Edition sales from the Thursday Top 100 BD list?
Ignoring the *** when calculating the average essentially means assuming that volume sold the average sales of all the other volumes. I guess this may be closer to the real number than just zero, although it is more complex for the calculation. And when there are a bunch of ***'s average calculated this way may have substantial error too (though it may still be closer to the real number than using zero).

Using range is tricky when it comes to comparison. One number is better. One approach is of course using the average of all the other volumes. And then there is the straightforward "zero". One more approach is to use the midpoint of the range (like if the threshold is 1000 then use 1000/2 = 500). But as I said, any use of an 'estimated number' is bound to cause dispute, particularly if some works fall below the work because of the extra "estimated number".

Actually this kind of dispute can happen in any kind of survey. There is this long running dispute over population census in America -- whether to reach the final population figure by using statistical estimation because of all the people that are not counted during the census or use the number without any of such adjustment.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/aug98/census25.htm

I am not sure how the average for GirlPan will be calculated with the Standard Edition numbers. All I know is that the Standard Edition numbers will not be added to the total of vol.1 and 2 in the tabulation but listed separately, like below:

○ガールズ&パンツァー 【全6巻】
巻数    初動       2週計      累計     発売日
      BD(DVD)     BD(DVD)    BD(DVD)
01巻 13,550(**,***) 16,155(**,***) 29,300(**,***) 12.12.21 合計29,300 ※スタンダード版 **,***
02巻 24,733(*1,119) 27,006(**,***) 30,363(**,***) 13.02.22 合計31,482 ※スタンダード版 **,***
03巻 23,528(*1,169) 25,828(**,***) 34,176(**,***) 13.03.22 合計35,345
04巻 28,410(*1,541) 32,071(**,***) 34,725(**,***) 13.04.24 合計35,947
05巻 33,450(*1,841) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.05.28
06巻 **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.06.21

スタンダード版 means Standard Edition
symbvJun 5, 2013 6:21 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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symbv said:
Ejc said:
I think that's how jmal calculates averages, and I also used this way for the earlier average calculation of 33,819 for GaruPan. I wonder what 2ch will do for the average, for the Standard Edition sales from the Thursday Top 100 BD list?
Ignoring the *** when calculating the average essentially means assuming that volume sold the average sales of all the other volumes. I guess this may be closer to the real number than just zero, although it is more complex for the calculation. And when there are a bunch of ***'s average calculated this way may have substantial error too (though it may still be closer to the real number than using zero).


Yeah I get what you mean. But for GaruPan's case, taking *** out would be closer to the actual sales than 0, looking at how it ranked relative to Jinrui. Jinrui did 723+ for v1&2, with 636+ for v5&6. I think an estimate of 700 in this case would be appropriate, if an estimate was to be placed on it. For individual cases like this, again this would be extra extra work.

However yes it can have substantial error, and could be the determining point of whether GaruPan ranks above or below something in average sales, if the averages are within ones or tens of units. Looks like you covered that in the next paragraph, haha.

30)100:58 *1,169 *,**6,109 **5 トイ・ストーリー DVD・トリロジー・セット
116 ゆるゆり♪♪ vol.4
119 緋色の欠片 七
129 とある魔術の禁書目録II DVD_SET 1
130 とある魔術の禁書目録II DVD_SET 2
149 まじっく快斗 第3巻
162 コード:ブレイカー 01<完全生産限定版>
171 ガールズ&パンツァー
182 人類は衰退しました (4) 妖精さんたちの、じかんかつようじゅつ

symbv said:
Actually this kind of dispute can happen in any kind of survey. There is this long running dispute over population census in America -- whether to reach the final population figure by using statistical estimation because of all the people that are not counted during the census or use the number without any of such adjustment.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/aug98/census25.htm


That's quite interesting. For something as important as a population census... that is one debate that should be fought well. Was there a consensus reached for that debate?

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I am not sure how the average for GirlPan will be calculated with the Standard Edition numbers. All I know is that the Standard Edition numbers will not be added to the total of vol.1 and 2 in the tabulation but listed separately, like below:

○ガールズ&パンツァー 【全6巻】
巻数    初動       2週計      累計     発売日
      BD(DVD)     BD(DVD)    BD(DVD)
01巻 13,550(**,***) 16,155(**,***) 29,300(**,***) 12.12.21 合計29,300 ※スタンダード版 **,***
02巻 24,733(*1,119) 27,006(**,***) 30,363(**,***) 13.02.22 合計31,482 ※スタンダード版 **,***
03巻 23,528(*1,169) 25,828(**,***) 34,176(**,***) 13.03.22 合計35,345
04巻 28,410(*1,541) 32,071(**,***) 34,725(**,***) 13.04.24 合計35,947
05巻 33,450(*1,841) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.05.28
06巻 **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.06.21

スタンダード版 means Standard Edition


Yeah, that corresponds to how they handle other entries such as the Nanoha 2nd Movie i've seen. I thought they handled TV anime differently by adding everything together (LE+RE/SE+etc BD). I guess not... but adding in the SE sales would at least partly remedy the big 10~12k estimated handicap that v1+v2 has.
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Ejc said:
Yeah I get what you mean. But for GaruPan's case, taking *** out would be closer to the actual sales than 0, looking at how it ranked relative to Jinrui.
Thing is, if consideration is taken on a case by case basis (like in GirlPan's case taking *** out is better but in other cases we can keep it as zero) the likelihood of dispute is all the bigger. I don't mean to say 0 is the best way to reflect the reality but I can see why it is accepted in 2ch because of its simplicity and unambiguity.

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That's quite interesting. For something as important as a population census... that is one debate that should be fought well. Was there a consensus reached for that debate?
Well, the federal court ruling against using statistical sampling was in Clinton years, but the dispute is still ongoing, and as late as the 2010 census, there was still a row over the methodology to be used which ended up with no adjustment from "statistical estimate" for the census: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124241977657124963.html The matter is still not yet settled and debates are still going on both among politicians and within academic community.
symbvJun 5, 2013 7:43 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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but for me SAO is what was wrong with an adaptation, and GuP is what is right about a anime adaptation, so I am really hoping that GuP pulls the upset.
As Progeusz said, GuP is never an adpatation, so it seems your premise is fundamentally wrong. At first I thought you were cheering for GuP as what an original anime could pull off compared to the "easy route"of adapting an already successful novel/manga/game (actually it has its own difficulties but I would just along with the crowds here) which is something that anime like Madoka, Anohana and Tiger & Bunny have already proved anyway, but if you are thinking you want GuP to succeed because you think GuP is "what is right about an anime adaptation", you need to rethink why you want GuP to beat SAO in disc sales.


When I said adaptation I meant it in the larger sense of how an idea is visually shown - i.e. how the visuals tell the story, how the plot is developed, the whole fusion of story (writer), art, music is crafted by a director into a finished work), I probably should have made that clearer since the world as you pointed out is more often used to mean adapting a previous work to animation.

For me I don't care if a story is an original or an "adaptation", I treat the animation as an independent work and make my judgments based on that.

The reason I said I think GuP is what is right and SAO isn't does in part have something to do with the source (I think the writing team for SAO did nothing to help convert the novels into a solid story to attract new viewers), but not that SAO was an "adaptation". It has more to do with how I felt about the two shows in total.

I have written extensively on the SAO thread about what I thought was wrong with SAO as an animation (pacing, lack of coherent characterization in the first 4 episodes, far too much gratuitous fanservice in the ALO segment (to stress, I like fanservice, but I don't like to feel the director is throwing it in just to throw it in), the utter lack of humor, lack of explanations that created disruptions in the flow of the story, etc). But to sum up the difference that I am commenting on, GuP to me just seemed an extremely well thought out anime, with SAO it seemed like the it wasn't really thought through. Or even shorter, I felt the director really cared with GuP, but the director of SAO was mailing the project home (which is easier to do with an adaptation which is perhaps why a lot of adaptations are not as good as original stories).

You may say that this is subjective, and to a part this is true, but I firmly believe that there is a part that is universal. Which is why over time great shows rise and poor shows drop regardless of how much publication or hype or whatever there was when it was originally released.

I want more animations like GuP, and by this I don't mean genre, or this style of animation, or anything, but rather a animation that tells a story well, that pays attention to details, that has music so perfect for the story (this is something the Japanese excel at their sound directors are incredible), with characters that are interesting and interact well, that when you watch it you long to know what happens next, that when you learn you are completely satisfied. GuP had all that, SAO as an animation didn't (but could have).
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^ I think it would have been much much better if you had explained and defined the term "adaptation" when you said "GuP is what is right about a anime adaptation", otherwise I am sure most if not all who read your post would have thought you meant adaptation as the anime being adapted from some other material, not "in the larger sense of how an idea is visually shown". Besides, no one knew you "don't care if a story is an original or an 'adaptation', [you] treat the animation as an independent work and make my judgments based on that" and thus used the word "adaptation" to discuss anime in different way from other anime watchers.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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Panzer is so close to beating SAO in averges! Final volumes should push both series upwards regardless. I'm excited.

Yamato chilling on the top XD

Great sales for gareki-kun and company! Second season is a must!

Ouch sales for nyaruko and that yuyu-vocaloid show.
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Ouch sales for nyaruko and that yuyu-vocaloid show.
If Yuyushiki is yuyu-vocaloid what is Aiura?
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Jun 5, 2013 11:41 AM
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Lots of things going on with that show. Crabs, legs, apple, lidenfilms, Chama Uji owned by the anime designs, yamakan foreshadowing.
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^ I think it would have been much much better if you had explained and defined the term "adaptation" when you said "GuP is what is right about a anime adaptation"


Probably, but then again who among us is precisely clear everything they post?

I also think both Progeusz and you misunderstood Meddigo post, or perhaps I am but again that shows that few among us are perfectly clear when posting. Follow up questions are generally needed if one cares to know what someone is thinking.
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Probably, but then again who among us is precisely clear everything they post?
Yeah, but I would say that your usage of "adaptation" is the first time I saw it used that way within the context of anime adaptation.

Takuan_Soho said:
I also think both Progeusz and you misunderstood Meddigo post, or perhaps I am but again that shows that few among us are perfectly clear when posting. Follow up questions are generally needed if one cares to know what someone is thinking.
Not sure which Meddigo post you meant, but if Progeusz and I share a common understanding, perhaps it would have served Meddigo better to make his post cleare if he really meant to say something different what Progeusz and I understood from his post.

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Lots of things going on with that show. Crabs, legs, apple, lidenfilms, Chama Uji owned by the anime designs, yamakan foreshadowing.
Nothing about vocaloid among your descriptions for Aiura? Interesting.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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EXIT TUNES is involved in Yuyushiki, are they involved in Airua too? The Yuyushiki OP/ED CD includes a Vocaloid ad booklet for all their products.
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EXIT TUNES is involved in Yuyushiki, are they involved in Airua too? The Yuyushiki OP/ED CD includes a Vocaloid ad booklet for all their products.
So that is what bippo was referring to, you reckoned? Why use "vocaloid" to define the whole anime work just because of some involvement of some vocaloid people?
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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hpulley said:
EXIT TUNES is involved in Yuyushiki, are they involved in Airua too? The Yuyushiki OP/ED CD includes a Vocaloid ad booklet for all their products.
So that is what bippo was referring to, you reckoned? Why use "vocaloid" to define the whole anime work just because of some involvement of some vocaloid people?
And MAYU is featured on the OP, ED and Image Song...
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^ Still labeling Yuyushiki as just a vocaloid anime sounds really odd to me.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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symbv. What do you think will be #4 and #5 of spring 2013 in sales.

I'm guessing OreImo and Maou might take #4 and #5 or vice versa.

Gargantia might have a shot at #5
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symbv. What do you think will be #4 and #5 of spring 2013 in sales.
I'm guessing OreImo and Maou might take #4 and #5 or vice versa.
Gargantia might have a shot at #5
Same here. Although OreImo2 and HaMaou are quite close in Stalker estimate, HaMaou should be more skewed towards Amazon and hence the Stalker estimate more likely to be an overestimate. Gargantia's position has improved since the latest "revelation" episode but not by too much, still hovering at around #100 in Amazon sales ranking. I also think that it can have a shot at #5 but I would give the advantage to HaMaou.

So my guess for the Top Six Bestsellers for 2013 Spring Season are
1. Shingeki no Kyojin
2. UtaPrince2
3. Railgun2
4. OreImo2
5. HaMaou
6. Gargantia

Of course things can change when we reach the end of the season and see how the anime ends (or ends its first cour).
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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symbv said:
Raniero said:
symbv. What do you think will be #4 and #5 of spring 2013 in sales.
I'm guessing OreImo and Maou might take #4 and #5 or vice versa.
Gargantia might have a shot at #5
Same here. Although OreImo2 and HaMaou are quite close in Stalker estimate, HaMaou should be more skewed towards Amazon and hence the Stalker estimate more likely to be an overestimate. Gargantia's position has improved since the latest "revelation" episode but not by too much, still hovering at around #100 in Amazon sales ranking. I also think that it can have a shot at #5 but I would give the advantage to HaMaou.

So my guess for the Top Six Bestsellers for 2013 Spring Season are
1. Shingeki no Kyojin
2. UtaPrince2
3. Railgun2
4. OreImo2
5. HaMaou
6. Gargantia

Of course things can change when we reach the end of the season and see how the anime ends (or ends its first cour).


I wonder. Will the ending of the LN of OreImo will make a significant change to the preorders
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I wonder. Will the ending of the LN of OreImo will make a significant change to the preorders
I wonder too, because from the alleged leaks of the contents in the last volume of LN (to come out soon) I found in 2ch the ending could turn off a lot of people
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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symbv said:
Raniero said:
I wonder. Will the ending of the LN of OreImo will make a significant change to the preorders
I wonder too, because from the alleged leaks of the contents in the last volume of LN (to come out soon) I found in 2ch the ending could turn off a lot of people


Irregardless of whether it's a Kirino end, a Kuroneko end or a non-end you are guaranteed to get a ton of salt and people turned off by the ending. The author just has done such a terrible job ever since volume 7 that I can't see himself writing an ending that makes sense.
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Yeah, he really has no choice - anger one group, anger second group or anger both of them.
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Oricon Daily Top 30 DVD/Top 20 BD Rankings for June 5.

DVD Daily
**3 **4 **5 **6 **7 **8 **9  週
*** **4 **1 *** *** *** *** | -- | Inazuma Eleven GO vs Danball Senki W Movie
**8 *21 **8 *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33
*** **3 *11 *** *** *** *** | -- | ONE PIECE 15th Season Gyojintou-hen 7
*22 *** *16 *** *** *** *** | -- | Karneval 1
*** *12 *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | Ixion Saga DT 7
*** *15 *22 *** *** *** *** | -- | Yondemasu yo, Azazel-san. Z 1
*** **6 *24 *** *** *** *** | -- | Inazuma Eleven GO BOX
**1 *16 *25 *** *** *** *** | -- | Aikatsu! 3
*** *28 *30 *** *** *** *** | -- | Nerawareta Gakuen Movie
*** **8 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | NARUTO Shippuden Shinobigatana Shichininshuu no Shou 3
*** *23 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 3
*20 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Yamato 2199 5

BD Daily
**3 **4 **5 **6 **7 **8 **9  週
**6 *** **8 *** *** *** *** | -- | Eva 3.33
*** **8 *10 *** *** *** *** | -- | GJ-bu 4
*** *13 *13 *** *** *** *** | -- | Inazuma Eleven Go vs Danball Senki W Movie
*** **7 *14 *** *** *** *** | -- | Yondemasu yo, Azazel-san. Z 1
*** *11 *15 *** *** *** *** | -- | Nerawareta Gakuen Movie
**5 *** *16 *** *** *** *** | -- | JoJo 5
*** *14 *17 *** *** *** *** | -- | AKB0048 next stage 3
*** *16 *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Kotoura-san 3
**1 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Ranma 1/2 BOX 1
**7 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Love Live! 3
**9 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Yamato 2199 5
*10 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Little Busters! 6
*12 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | GaruPan 5
*16 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W 1
*17 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | To LOVE-RU Darkness 6
*18 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | SAO 8
*20 *** *** *** *** *** *** | -- | ViviPan 3
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Here are the weekly Blu-ray & CD rankings for May 27th - Jun 2nd

Rank / This week's sales by copies / Cumulative sales / Titles

Blu-ray
*1, 33,450 *33,450 Girls und Panzer vol.5
*2, 23,318 *23,318 Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199 vol.5
*3, 15,982 *15,982 Love Live! School Idol Project vol.3
*4, 12,596 *12,596 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure vol.5
*5, *7,536 **7,536 Little Busters! vol.6
*6, *7,449 **7,449 To LOVE-Ru Darkness vol.6
*7, *5,245 **5,245 Vividred Operation vol.3
*8, *3,948 372,947 Evangelion: 3.33 You Can (Not) Redo
*9, *3,632 **3,632 Karneval vol.1
10, *3,577 **3,577 Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W vol.1
11, *3,289 **3,289 Puchimas!: Petit iDOLM@STER vol.3 - Collector's Edition
12, *3,116 *24,177 Sword Art Online vol.8
13, *2,512 **2,512 Jormungand: Perfect Order vol.6
14, *2,230 **2,230 Yuyushiki vol.1
15, *2,077 **2,077 Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo vol.5
(cut-ff 2,077)


DVD
*1, 9,597 *,**9,597 Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199 vol.5
*2, 3,687 *,**3,687 Karneval vol.1
*3, 2,957 *,162,701 Evangelion: 3.33 You Can (Not) Redo
*4, 2,686 *,**2,686 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure vol.5
*5, 2,021 *,**2,021 To LOVE-Ru Darkness vol.6
*6, 1,841 *,**1,841 Girls und Panzer vol.5
*7, 1,572 *,**1,572 Amnesia vol.3
*8, 1,505 *,**1,505 Little Busters! vol.6
*9, 1,172 *,**5,416 009 Re:Cyborg
10, 1,162 *,**1,162 Cuticle Tantei Inaba vol.3
11, 1,068 *,**5,595 Sword Art Online vol.8
12, 1,020 *,**1,020 Meiji Tokyo Renka ~Haikara Rouman Gekijou~
13, *,939 *,***,939 Zettai Karen Children: The Unlimited - Hyoubu Kyousuke vol.3
14, *,868 *,***,868 Hiiro no Kakera Dai Ni Shou vol.5
15, *,838 *,**7,410 Gintama': Enchousen vol.4
16, *,831 *,***,831 Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W vol.1
17, *,828 *,***,828 Smile Precure vol.16
18, *,811 *,***,811 Vividred Operation vol.3
19, *,808 *,***,808 Smile Precure vol.15
20, *,805 *,***,805 Dokidoki! Precure vol.1
21, *,694 *,**8,593 One Piece Film Z Rendou Tokubetsu-hen: Z no Yabou
22, *,678 *,***,678 Senyuu. vol.2
23, *,621 *,***,621 Hakkenden: Touhou Hakken Ibun vol.3
24, *,610 *,**2,844 Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic vol.6
25, *,602 *,***,602 Busou Shinki vol.6
26, *,536 *,***,536 Senran Kagura vol.3
27, *,535 *,***,535 Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo vol.5
28, *,531 1,189,891 Tonari no Totoro
(cut-off 531)


CD Single
*5, 27,885 *27,885 Uta no☆Prince-sama♪ Maji Love 2000% character song "Idol Song: Natsuki Shinomiya"
11, 10,821 *10,821 Kotonoha no Niwa theme song "Koto no Ha"
13, *9,248 146,829 Kakumeiki Valvrave OP "Preserved Roses"
17, *6,867 **6,867 Hetalia Character CD II Vol.4 "Italia (Sugiyama Noriaki) My Friend"
27, *4,603 *31,028 Uta no☆Prince-sama♪ Maji Love 2000% character song "Idol Song: Ren Jinguji"
29, *4,125 **4,125 Toriko ED "Akai Kutsu"
33, *3,338 106,367 Crayon Shin-chan Movie 21: Bakauma! B-Kyuu Gourmet Survival Battle!! theme song "RPG"
35, *2,819 *25,672 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master 018 Nana Abe "Meruhen Debut"
36, *2,763 *42,632 Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S OP "sister's noise"
37, *2,742 *26,023 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master 020 Sachiko Koshimizu "To My Darling..."
38, *2,727 **2,727 Hayate no Gotoku! Cuties OP "Haru Ulala ■ Love yo Koi!!!"
41, *2,521 *22,460 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master 019 Minami Nitta "Venus Syndrome"
43, *2,258 *12,165 Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199 TV ED "Aikotoba"
44, *1,970 *33,055 Uta no☆Prince-sama♪ Maji Love 2000% character song "Idol Song: Otoya Ittoki"
45, *1,956 **1,956 Karneval Character Song vol.1
48, *1,849 *19,194 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master 017 Miria Akagi "Romantic Now"
49, *1,743 *18,857 The iDOLM@STER Cinderella Master 016 Akane Hino "Nekketsu Otome A"
63, *1,422 *27,380 Saint☆Onii-san (Movie) theme song "Gag"
67, *1,314 **5,597 Haiyore! Nyaruko-san W Ending Song Series 2 "Kirari wake Lychee / Sister, Friend, Lover"
68, *1,276 *31,359 Uta no☆Prince-sama♪ Maji Love 2000% character song "Idol Song: Masato Hijirikawa"
70, *1,265 *71,556 Uta no☆Prince-sama♪ Maji Love 2000% theme song "MAji Love 2000%"
76, *1,175 *21,404 Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko. ED "Baby Sweet Berry Love"
79, *1,102 *14,271 Tanken Driland: 1000-nen no Mahou ED "Step & Go / Candy Room"
81, *1,091 *13,852 Yuyushiki OP & ED "Se-no!! / Affection"
83, *1,048 *14,842 Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S ED "Grow Slowly"
(cut-off 1,000)


CD Album
10, 8,809 *8,809 "IdolMaster Million Live!" The iDOLM@STER THE@TER PERFORMANCE 02
13, 8,039 *8,039 Girls und Panzer Drama CD "Kondo wa Drama CD desu!"
19, 5,367 *5,367 Psycho-Pass Complete Original Soundtrack
26, 3,520 *3,520 Infinite Stratos Original Drama Series vol.2 feat. Cecilia Alcott ~Hishochi no Koi wa Honoka ni Amaku~
32, 2,807 *2,807 Kuribayashi Minami "Tight Knot"
40, 2,139 *2,139 Dokidoki! Precure Character Album ~Songbird~
43, 1,902 10,945 Garnet Crow "The One ~All Singles Best~"
50, 1,659 *1,659 Radio CD "Kuroko no Basket Housou Iinkai" vol.3
(cut-off 1,000)


Source: Oricon Youtaiju


Good start for Gup vol. 5, for Yamato 2199 vol. 5 Live and Love vol. 3, this lily a bit early for the spring series, Yuyushiki even in the top 10 in the rankings BD! Oh well!
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Full list is up.


Thank you for your work, only 700 to go! I am going to be very interested to see by how much the novella pushes up SAO vol 9. This will actually be an interesting test subject in that vol. 8 dropped so much, so any reverse probably should be entirely attributed to it. But I think the only way GuP will catch SAO will be in 9 is little changed from 8's numbers.
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