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Jun 18, 2012 9:11 AM

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Fudo is the reincarnation of Appollonius?? Seriously. Then who was the third pilot that was with Appollonius and Celiane????? I really am starting to hate this anime.

Same! There were lots of proves showing Apollo is Apollinius !
Jun 18, 2012 9:15 AM

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OMG Zessica has been tainted by that fucker ARGHHHH !!!!
Jun 18, 2012 9:22 AM

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This episode proved Kagura shitness. He's just puppet in hands of Mykage. Only death awaits him. Deal With It.
Jun 18, 2012 9:32 AM

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Fudo x Mikage
Amata x Mikono
Zessica left alone and happy, Kagura can die, no one cares about him anyway.

Do it like that. :>
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Jun 18, 2012 9:40 AM
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OrochiPL said:
Fudo x Mikage
Amata x Mikono
Zessica left alone and happy, Kagura can die, no one cares about him anyway.

Do it like that. :>


Why am I sorta having a Guilty Crown flashback anyway (Cast were same)?

Amata (Shuu) X Mikono (Inori)
Zessica (Ayase)
Kagura (Daryl Yan)
Mykage (Gai Evil version)
JafriZinJun 18, 2012 10:19 AM
Jun 18, 2012 9:50 AM
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say, didn't sylvie and fudo survive the end of the first series, while apollo, sirius, and touma didn't?
i get the feeling that sylvie realize that fudo is apollonius and marry him 12.000 years ago off screen :D
Jun 18, 2012 11:34 AM
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGGGGGGG I WAS RIGHT THIS WHOLE TIME!!!!!!! I CALLED THIS 1! I SO CALLED IT! Remember?! *Spoiler* I knew all this time they have been trolling us and that Gen/Zen fudo was apollonius!!!!! OMFG!!!! I WAS RIGHT I had my Doubts in the first season because they trolled us so hard with that Apollo BS, but then again at the end when they look up in the sky and say the 3 has been joined together again i kinda had a feeling apollo could or could not be Apollonius... and then when this season started... i dont know what made me think Zen was apollonius... but after a while it all became clear, a person to have lived for that long, A person to have such great Knowledge on things.... HAH... We did not see this 1 coming though i sorta knew in a way but then again this is the biggest troll ever..

this... is ridiculous a bunch of bullshit... in Sousei They had so much Fucking proof towards Apollo being Apollonius... and even at the end... that lady advisor was like ."You know so much... were u the 3rd Guy in Aquarion..." and there you have it... but heres the misleading part though... at the end of Sousei they had that picture of a wolf with a heart and wings... which led me to believe that was an image of none other than Pollon...and wasnt it a bit weird that pollon was being showed often in Season 1? Well thats just my Thoughts on this... theres just to much information leading Apollo to being Apollonius... and Gen/Zen just being the 3RD guy... i mean if Fudo was Apollonius wouldnt it have been him in season 1 to have loved Silvia and him that would have memories... even though thats kinda pedo @_@... lmao ... but seriously...

Okay anyways ima pretened this didnt happen :3 and that this season was just a bunch of bullshit !
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Jun 18, 2012 5:46 PM
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bastek66 said:
This episode proved Kagura shitness. He's just puppet in hands of Mykage. Only death awaits him. Deal With It.


Amata isn't any better. He hasn't even been broken in by Mykage to do things that help his goal.

>Have bad dream about Amagura
>Hunt down Mikono
>Meet other self
>Get into a fight that awakens Aquarion and gets it hijacked

This episode alone he blames Kagura for his horrible parents death when it was Mykage. Then he fights him which results in Altair on a crash course for Earth and Mykage one step closer to his goal.
Jun 18, 2012 9:04 PM

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Lol, Fudo got his woman swiped by a dog.

I'm ready for all except Yunoha and maybe Andy/Mix to die. So ready.
Jun 18, 2012 9:21 PM
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It kind of funny, I said it in the beginning don't trust Zen. And look whats happened, everyone's pissed off at him for Trolling.

On a side note, I agree I'm not pleased with the way some characters are being treated. And in truth there's probably not enough time to give everyone a satisfying ending. So great job Evol team you screwed up in the end.

The real question now, is what's going to happen to Kagura and Zessica since Amata and Mikino will probably be together from the ending preview.

I think everyone can agree that if possible we would just like them to find happiness, but is that even possible and would we even be satisfied with how it happened.

I almost wish Amata and Mikino can just go die saving the world as the boring characters they are. Only the series could carry on with the rest of the cast, giving them more time to develop and grow, as they try and face the world their left with. while taking on Zen and whoever else that seeks to control their future.
Jun 18, 2012 9:33 PM
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I'm just gonna close my eyes and pretend this season never exists.
Jun 18, 2012 11:13 PM

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Seeing Amata react towards Kagura like that was sickening to me. Even when Kagura explained that he didn't know his parents either and was brought up through a terrible childhood, Amata didn't care. Amata's a selfish, consumed jerk that only sees Mikono.

Yes, I get that it's good that he loves Mikono and not Silvie, but he's really no better than Kagura as they both have tunnel vision for the girl.

Poor Zessica. I wouldn't surprised if she decided to stay fused with Mikage considering how everything's transpired. I really liked her character and she actually had character development only to be thrown to the dogs.

All of the side characters made this anime, + Kagura. Since we pretty much know that Amata and Kagura will have to become one again (probably), I'll be mad just if Amata keeps the physical traits. I can't even stand seeing him on screen at this point lol.

Overall, my fave chars (the others) all have had pretty dismal endings.. even Mix&Andy as Mix really needed to embrace her femininity and Andy needed a female and they don't even get that. Ugh.

I know I'm ranting but this last episode was hard to even watch. Zessikage was cool, Andy&Mix was cool, Leaning more about Kagura's sad fate was cool, everything else? Shit.

Everything had so much potential and now I feel like I've wasted 25 weeks. Of course I'll watch the final ep but.. my hopes aren't up.

Jun 19, 2012 12:40 AM
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I don't why people are giving Kagura a free pass but not Amata. Kagura is the worst character on the show. No character development since ep 1 and people still say its okay. Even getting Mikono's name right would be development but no. And why should Amata care about a guy who want to "kill" Mikono? He doesn't know Kagura is talking in reverse only Mikono does. Amata has many bad traits but don't act like there so unforgivable that everything he does is wrong.
Jun 19, 2012 1:35 AM

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Freakin trolled hard....
Jun 19, 2012 1:52 AM
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I don't why people are giving Kagura a free pass but not Amata. Kagura is the worst character on the show. No character development since ep 1 and people still say its okay. Even getting Mikono's name right would be development but no. And why should Amata care about a guy who want to "kill" Mikono? He doesn't know Kagura is talking in reverse only Mikono does. Amata has many bad traits but don't act like there so unforgivable that everything he does is wrong.


It's because he was raised by Mykage to be his tool in his revenge. Has been broken in by him to the point that he's his brainwashed pet who thinks he does anything out of his own interest but is really furthering Mykages goal along. He hasn't been able to grow as a person because Mykage wouldn't allow such a thing to happen.

Heck all Mykage needs to do to turn him into a vegetable is hum Sousei No Aquarion. They're both in the wrong for how they treat each other because they are both halves of the same person.
Jun 20, 2012 9:58 AM
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next eps -> amata and kagura should become one again... as well as the two worlds. and please, Mix become a woman again!!! It's really really weird like that!
Jun 21, 2012 10:44 AM

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F U MYKAGE you drame queen mother *uc**r

im praying that sh**face suffer and OUT of Zessica
Jun 21, 2012 11:55 AM
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As much as I/we may hate Mykage for being a sore d!ck (and taking over Zessica), I can't say I actually blame him all that much though. If what we know now about Apollonius/Fudo, then I have to say that he is the real asshole here. Sure Mykage has gone over the line, but remember that all he is is a loyal person who loved his betrothed who left him in favour of his enemy(?) and after waiting for 12000 years, having forgiven somewhat and decided to save the world ONLY to be trolled..... HARD!

Not saying he is an angel (wait... is he still a Shadow Angel? LOL you know what I mean) and his actions are fully justified, but yea. Cut him some slack. ;p
Jun 21, 2012 12:30 PM

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ssj4jw said:
I don't why people are giving Kagura a free pass but not Amata. Kagura is the worst character on the show. No character development since ep 1 and people still say its okay. Even getting Mikono's name right would be development but no. And why should Amata care about a guy who want to "kill" Mikono? He doesn't know Kagura is talking in reverse only Mikono does. Amata has many bad traits but don't act like there so unforgivable that everything he does is wrong.


Kagura was very bad developped indeed, but I beg you pardon, Amata was no better and he had twice or more of screentime than Kagura. The most memorable thing I remember from Amata is this:
"MIKOOOOONOOOOOOOO-SANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"
During 25 episodes and 100% plus till the very end. Why should Amata care for a guy who wants to "kill" Mikono:
-Because that "guy" is part of HIM. And if that is not enough then, what about listening to Mikono who does not want him to hurt Kagura. C´mon Amata knows about reverse power of Kagura. Gotta be a bit dumb to not realize the meaning of the quote " We can kill each other all night" by Kagura. Or the vision of the wedding, which clearly says he does not want to kill her and everyone saw that vision.

Amata gets a bonus when he says he loves Mikono as Mikono, well said. But I dont think that Kagura does wrong in loving Mikono for her being Sylvie. Kagura resembles Apollo more than Amata, so its natural that after that tragic end, he wants Sylvie back. C´mon his soul waited 12 000 years. Amata doesnt give a shit for that, but Kagura does, and I dont think its wrong that he is trying to fulfill a promise that he did with her.

Also I dont have anything against Amata but what did he do so memorable as a main protagonist that we should give him a free pass and not to Kagura?
Kagura tells him about his childhood with Mykage treated like a dog (sorry even stray dogs have better life) and he ignored him focusing only on his own lonely childhood on the streets. Kagura did not kill their parents but Amata does not even try to understand that he and Zessica are being manipulated.Can you imagine the suffering of being manipulated and hurting the people you love when you dont want to? Amata does not know that painful feeling which by itself is enough to give Kagura 1000 free pass.
Kagura says "I dont give a fuck for our parents" and that´s why you suggest we should not give him a free pass? I would not give a fuck too to parents who abandon a child alone, not even naming a guardian, dont make plans to keep him safe even if apart from them. Then Izumo always knew about Amata and never came to get him, and knew about Mykage raising Kagura and DID ANYTHING AT ALL. Great parents. Amata had that hard life not because of Kagura but because of their parents who left BOTH. He makes Kagura the big villain with that totally not true vision of little Kagura burning their parents and making a evil smile, a thing that would never happen because Kagura would never kill his own parents by his own will. And Izumo didnt even had balls to tell him who he was, but sure had to tell to Amata.

Amata was acknowledged by his mom and dad at the very end, forgives them and cries and Kagura was not even called you know why?Because if Alicia had called him he would just turn his back and that´s it. He was not Emo enough so it was excluded from the happy reunion.

IMO Kagura deserves the free pass much more than Amata.

Now I dont doubt Amata will have Mikono at the end. Some weird part of me hoped to have a Kagura x Zessica but I guess they´ll simply die which in my opinion, again, its simply unfair.
I hope everyone stays happy at the end with the :
"MIKOOOOOOOOOOOOOONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-SANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"
"AMATA-KUN".
*Fudo looking at both* The end.
Epilogue "Ill see you in 12 000 years".

Zessica my baby ;_; Kagura my doggie ;_; you´re the best;3

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Jun 21, 2012 12:53 PM

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ssj4jw said:
I don't why people are giving Kagura a free pass but not Amata. Kagura is the worst character on the show. No character development since ep 1 and people still say its okay. Even getting Mikono's name right would be development but no. And why should Amata care about a guy who want to "kill" Mikono? He doesn't know Kagura is talking in reverse only Mikono does. Amata has many bad traits but don't act like there so unforgivable that everything he does is wrong.


Kagura was very bad developped indeed, but I beg you pardon, Amata was no better and he had twice or more of screentime than Kagura. The most memorable thing I remember from Amata is this:
"MIKOOOOONOOOOOOOO-SANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"
During 25 episodes and 100% plus till the very end. Why should Amata care for a guy who wants to "kill" Mikono:
-Because that "guy" is part of HIM. And if that is not enough then, what about listening to Mikono who does not want him to hurt Kagura. C´mon Amata knows about reverse power of Kagura. Gotta be a bit dumb to not realize the meaning of the quote " We can kill each other all night" by Kagura. Or the vision of the wedding, which clearly says he does not want to kill her and everyone saw that vision.

Amata gets a bonus when he says he loves Mikono as Mikono, well said. But I dont think that Kagura does wrong in loving Mikono for her being Sylvie. Kagura resembles Apollo more than Amata, so its natural that after that tragic end, he wants Sylvie back. C´mon his soul waited 12 000 years. Amata doesnt give a shit for that, but Kagura does, and I dont think its wrong that he is trying to fulfill a promise that he did with her.

Also I dont have anything against Amata but what did he do so memorable as a main protagonist that we should give him a free pass and not to Kagura?
Kagura tells him about his childhood with Mykage treated like a dog (sorry even stray dogs have better life) and he ignored him focusing only on his own lonely childhood on the streets. Kagura did not kill their parents but Amata does not even try to understand that he and Zessica are being manipulated.Can you imagine the suffering of being manipulated and hurting the people you love when you dont want to? Amata does not know that painful feeling which by itself is enough to give Kagura 1000 free pass.
Kagura says "I dont give a fuck for our parents" and that´s why you suggest we should not give him a free pass? I would not give a fuck too to parents who abandon a child alone, not even naming a guardian, dont make plans to keep him safe even if apart from them. Then Izumo always knew about Amata and never came to get him, and knew about Mykage raising Kagura and DID ANYTHING AT ALL. Great parents. Amata had that hard life not because of Kagura but because of their parents who left BOTH. He makes Kagura the big villain with that totally not true vision of little Kagura burning their parents and making a evil smile, a thing that would never happen because Kagura would never kill his own parents by his own will. And Izumo didnt even had balls to tell him who he was, but sure had to tell to Amata.

Amata was acknowledged by his mom and dad at the very end, forgives them and cries and Kagura was not even called you know why?Because if Alicia had called him he would just turn his back and that´s it. He was not Emo enough so it was excluded from the happy reunion.

IMO Kagura deserves the free pass much more than Amata.

Now I dont doubt Amata will have Mikono at the end. Some weird part of me hoped to have a Kagura x Zessica but I guess they´ll simply die which in my opinion, again, its simply unfair.
I hope everyone stays happy at the end with the :
"MIKOOOOOOOOOOOOOONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-SANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"
"AMATA-KUN".
*Fudo looking at both* The end.
Epilogue "Ill see you in 12 000 years".

Zessica my baby ;_; Kagura my doggie ;_; you´re the best;3


Finally!!! I have a company that think the same thing ^^. I have posted things i have found odd in both sousei and evol in a new thread, but since im talking now i might as well just copy and paste :P.
I found out that before Amata was being cut into two his eyes were still pinky purple,but remembering what Mikono said in episode 15 when she was kidnaped by Kagura... she said "She is familiar with Kagura's eyes" and Kagura's are gold, which is the same as Apollo's eyes. So why Mikono only familiar with Kagura's eyes(which is same as Apollo's) but not Amata's eyes( Which is the same before being divided).... Strange huh? Another thing is that in Souei season, episode 2 I think, when Apollo was suffering pain on the back, Nina(the vampire) sucked his blood. After Apollo was calmed, he turned around and faced to Nina and said "Its calling me" with Apollonius's voice and Face on the background!!!! I mean, how is this not a prove to show he is Apollonius? One last thing is that, in Sousei when Apollo uses his ability, like in episode 2 when he had a persona change, he eyes are RED!!!! Which is the same as Apollonius.... STRANGE!!!!
I mean overall this anime is crap in my opinion, they completely screwed wht Sousei has set up, and now i would think the ending is gonna be lame, and boring. Like Kagura is going to combine with Amata, and Zessica is gonna sacrisfy herself, or kagura dies and Amata x Mikono live on..........
Jun 21, 2012 3:27 PM
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Orulyon said:
ssj4jw said:
I don't why people are giving Kagura a free pass but not Amata. Kagura is the worst character on the show. No character development since ep 1 and people still say its okay. Even getting Mikono's name right would be development but no. And why should Amata care about a guy who want to "kill" Mikono? He doesn't know Kagura is talking in reverse only Mikono does. Amata has many bad traits but don't act like there so unforgivable that everything he does is wrong.


Kagura was very bad developped indeed, but I beg you pardon, Amata was no better and he had twice or more of screentime than Kagura. The most memorable thing I remember from Amata is this:
"MIKOOOOONOOOOOOOO-SANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"
During 25 episodes and 100% plus till the very end. Why should Amata care for a guy who wants to "kill" Mikono:
-Because that "guy" is part of HIM. And if that is not enough then, what about listening to Mikono who does not want him to hurt Kagura. C´mon Amata knows about reverse power of Kagura. Gotta be a bit dumb to not realize the meaning of the quote " We can kill each other all night" by Kagura. Or the vision of the wedding, which clearly says he does not want to kill her and everyone saw that vision.

Amata gets a bonus when he says he loves Mikono as Mikono, well said. But I dont think that Kagura does wrong in loving Mikono for her being Sylvie. Kagura resembles Apollo more than Amata, so its natural that after that tragic end, he wants Sylvie back. C´mon his soul waited 12 000 years. Amata doesnt give a shit for that, but Kagura does, and I dont think its wrong that he is trying to fulfill a promise that he did with her.

Also I dont have anything against Amata but what did he do so memorable as a main protagonist that we should give him a free pass and not to Kagura?
Kagura tells him about his childhood with Mykage treated like a dog (sorry even stray dogs have better life) and he ignored him focusing only on his own lonely childhood on the streets. Kagura did not kill their parents but Amata does not even try to understand that he and Zessica are being manipulated.Can you imagine the suffering of being manipulated and hurting the people you love when you dont want to? Amata does not know that painful feeling which by itself is enough to give Kagura 1000 free pass.
Kagura says "I dont give a fuck for our parents" and that´s why you suggest we should not give him a free pass? I would not give a fuck too to parents who abandon a child alone, not even naming a guardian, dont make plans to keep him safe even if apart from them. Then Izumo always knew about Amata and never came to get him, and knew about Mykage raising Kagura and DID ANYTHING AT ALL. Great parents. Amata had that hard life not because of Kagura but because of their parents who left BOTH. He makes Kagura the big villain with that totally not true vision of little Kagura burning their parents and making a evil smile, a thing that would never happen because Kagura would never kill his own parents by his own will. And Izumo didnt even had balls to tell him who he was, but sure had to tell to Amata.

Amata was acknowledged by his mom and dad at the very end, forgives them and cries and Kagura was not even called you know why?Because if Alicia had called him he would just turn his back and that´s it. He was not Emo enough so it was excluded from the happy reunion.

IMO Kagura deserves the free pass much more than Amata.

Now I dont doubt Amata will have Mikono at the end. Some weird part of me hoped to have a Kagura x Zessica but I guess they´ll simply die which in my opinion, again, its simply unfair.
I hope everyone stays happy at the end with the :
"MIKOOOOOOOOOOOOOONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-SANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"
"AMATA-KUN".
*Fudo looking at both* The end.
Epilogue "Ill see you in 12 000 years".

Zessica my baby ;_; Kagura my doggie ;_; you´re the best;3


Did I say the parents need a free pass? You went on rant and bring up stuff I didn't even comment on. And Kagura is just as bad as Amata with his SILVVVIIIIIIEEEE. Amata fell in love with the present not the past. Should he be stoned for that? Really If Kagura was really hold all that love he would be saying Silvia instead of Silvie. And apparently Mikono doesn't care about a promise because all she wanted was to apologize for not recognizing a dog. Kagura is the only one focusing a promis. A promise that his so called love seems to don't care about.
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Kawamoriiiiiiiiiiii / Mykageeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!


Always, eh.

It's probably gonna turn more into a "Fudoooooooooou!!!!!" kind of thing though. Touma went yandere 24000 years ago because his boyfriend screwed him over, the least Fudou can do now is fix the planet drop Mykage set them all up with. Or go help Amata deliver the king of all Mugen Punches straight to Zessikage's face, idc which.
(Mykage is still an asshole, but he's still one of the best things ever. The instant lipstick part was A++.)

Just a thing I'm confused about, everything else flows pretty smoothly - in Sousei no Aquarion, when everyone still believed Apollo was Solar Wings, Touma already knew that he definitely wasn't (I also seem to recall him saying that the mech was Solar Wings, but I might be remembering that wrong). Except in this episode it was presented like he only understood that when he made the final gattai with Apollo and Sirius. So did Kawamori change part of the backstory in between the series, or is my memory faultier than usual?
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Did I say the parents need a free pass? You went on rant and bring up stuff I didn't even comment on. And Kagura is just as bad as Amata with his SILVVVIIIIIIEEEE. Amata fell in love with the present not the past. Should he be stoned for that? Really If Kagura was really hold all that love he would be saying Silvia instead of Silvie. And apparently Mikono doesn't care about a promise because all she wanted was to apologize for not recognizing a dog. Kagura is the only one focusing a promise. A promise that his so called love seems to don't care about.


I mentioned the parents REGARDING Kagura/Amata. c´mon dont u understand the context? And i said i was giving credit/praise to Amata because he cared for Mikono as she is right now, so is that stoning him?! I just stone him for one single reason: Not caring for Zessica & not listening to Kagura. Sylvie is apparently a nickname of Silvia? Pollon also became Pollo. I know Mikono doesnt give a fuck to the promise, that´s why I want her with Amata, Kagura and Zessica deserve much better, yet i bet they will be the ones dying.
You´re wrong. The catchphrase is not "Sylvieeee". Its "Smelly Wench" and without echothe perfect name for Mikono.. And im not being hostile btw. peace.

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Jun 21, 2012 6:46 PM

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I don't really think that Kagura deserves Amata's sympathy, since Kagura has treated him much worse. He kicked his ass once, almost beat him to death twice, killed people from his school, beat up his friends, threatened to reverse his blood flow.. which would kill him, has attempted to kidnap the girl he loves countless times, he suceeds once, has a hand in killing his parents, bashes him for being weak, blames him for losing his parents and the girl he loves in each of their lives. And now that it's revealed that Kagura was raised by Mykage..(Does Amata even know how Mykage is personality wise? Or atleast know about his.. tendencies? Did Amata see the flashback? NO. He's probably just like, and that tells me.. what?:/), he's supposed to forget and forgive and understand him and hand Mikono over to this crazed lunatic who wants to kill her over and over..in love..( This is also what he said to Amata while he was punching him over and over again. Minus the love part. Amata is probably like.. what? o.o). In conclusion, Kagura is not a saint. Amata is not a saint. Kagura is very confusing to people not named Mikono( Since she's the only person that he's bothered to explain himself to). And Kagura's jerkass behaviour towards everyone but Mikono doesn't help his case. Amata can't just miraculously understand Kagura and his reverse speech/reasoning. They just don't understand each other. It's why they've been clashing this whole entire series.

But hey, when you at it from my point of view, since I know that Mykage's abuse can mess up the brain pretty badly and I know that Kagura doesn't want to harm Mikono. I think he does deserve a happy ending... But Amata does too. :/
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Oh dear! Nor do I believe that the next episode will be the end ...
Amata was showing off a furious new ... Poor Kagura, he also suffered a lot during all these years ...
Mikage hate with all my strength despite their hatred of understanding. Who knew that would be the reincarnation of Fudo Apollinius. I was shocked!
But I was happy for Andy ... he proved to be a real man and that his love for Mix was stronger than all.

I hope the end is worth for all the suffering that the characters passed and all those who sacrificed themselves along this new legend.
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Orulyon said:
ssj4jw said:

And Kagura is just as bad as Amata with his SILVVVIIIIIIEEEE. Amata fell in love with the present not the past. Should he be stoned for that? Really If Kagura was really hold all that love he would be saying Silvia instead of Silvie. And apparently Mikono doesn't care about a promise because all she wanted was to apologize for not recognizing a dog. Kagura is the only one focusing a promis. A promise that his so called love seems to don't care about.

Breaking a promise is just bad. Hate Mikono, and Amata!!!!!!! Rewatching Sousei make me feel so sorry for Kagura >.<
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Breaking a promise is just bad. Hate Mikono, and Amata!!!!!!! Rewatching Sousei make me feel so sorry for Kagura >.<


In my opinion, neither of them should be hated for breaking a promise made 12,000 years ago. Because:

1. Mikono wasn't the one who made the promise. It was Silvia. Not Mikono. They are different people. Mikono shouldn't be forced to with hold a promise that she didn't even make. If she does decide to chose Kagura it should be because she loves him. Not because of a promise made by dead people 12,000 years ago. :/

2. Why should Amata be hated? Unlike Kagura, he realizes that although she's the reincarnation of Silvia, Mikono is her own person. So he instead loves Mikono for who she is. That's not something someone should be hated for...

Getting a little off topic here ,but am I the only one that feels that Yunoha is going to die? Or maybe be on the brink of death so that she can talk to Jin one last time before she finally moves on? She's still not over him since she brought him up during the MIX rescue mission episode, so I'm guessing they're gonna conclude it somehow..It's gonna be so sad! :(
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The essence of most arguments relies heavily on whether a reincarnate is the same person so to speak as the past life and as such, the accountability of the latter's actions.

Think of it this way. If you were to murder someone and by some twist of fate, you lose all your memory and hence become a new person, should you be responsible for the crime?

I think the gripe people have with Amata is that the plot gave him just about every opportunity imaginable to ensure his success at ending up with Mikono. And he is always in the state of self pity, taking what he has around him for granted and when shit hits the fan, blames Kagura. Victim of crap writing. AFAIK nobody hates him for loving Mikono for who she is. But it's his unjustified obsession at the expense of other things that piss people off.

Kagura, also a victim of crap writing, is no saint I admit. But the thing is viewers can always associate his actions to him being conditioned. And his mind is messed up by the 2nd-troll-in-command. Pretty sure he still has some of Apollo's residual memory hence why he kept calling her Sylvie instead of Sylvia. His obsession? Well he was brought up not knowing his parents AT ALL, being tortured and conditioned that Mikono is his. She is practically the only person he has. No other chick is there to like him and give her life up for him.

tl;dr: Crap writing.... crap writing EVERYWHERE!
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^I agreed with you. I mean this could be an another Guilty Crown for us.

Amata = Shuu Ouma
Mikono Suzushiro = Inori Yuzuriha
Zessica = Ayase Shinomiya
Mykage = Tsusugami Gai
Kagura = Daryl Yan
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I can see the ending... Mikono going to choose her real love.... Fudou Zen. Happy End.

But really, Appolonius really nice to his pet huh? Letting him hook up with his lover....
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I can see the ending... Mikono going to choose her real love.... Fudou Zen. Happy End.

But really, Appolonius really nice to his pet huh? Letting him hook up with his lover....

LOL he prob got bored with Celiane and Touma and decided to play a 24k year game of troll..... XD
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Expect the unexpected, folks.

This could be the end of Zessica.

Goddamn these uncomfortable feelings.
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I don't think Zessica going to die, she might be the only one that survives in the end... I think the lovers will sacrifice or die together (like Sousei), Amata, Kagura and Mikono... EVOL will not have a happy ending, if any, will be one of the few times that Kawamori does this. I only feel sorry for Kagura in this show because I didn't want him dead or turned in a forgotten part of Amata.
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Breaking a promise is just bad. Hate Mikono, and Amata!!!!!!! Rewatching Sousei make me feel so sorry for Kagura >.<


In my opinion, neither of them should be hated for breaking a promise made 12,000 years ago. Because:

1. Mikono wasn't the one who made the promise. It was Silvia. Not Mikono. They are different people. Mikono shouldn't be forced to with hold a promise that she didn't even make. If she does decide to chose Kagura it should be because she loves him. Not because of a promise made by dead people 12,000 years ago. :/

2. Why should Amata be hated? Unlike Kagura, he realizes that although she's the reincarnation of Silvia, Mikono is her own person. So he instead loves Mikono for who she is. That's not something someone should be hated for...


Put urself into their's shoes, lets say u have a relationship with a girl/boy, and u two loved each other really much, like one will die for the other. Then u two made a promise, even though one day u will be separeted u will stay find her, and be with her/him forever. But unfortunately, u guys lost ur meomery (sad), after 10 years u have remembered, cos the girl/boy u loved goes past u and u remembered her/his familiar face. Then u trace after her, but u know wht ??? She doesnt remember u anymore, she has a new life ! You have a new compete. No matter how many times u have traced her and tell her how much u loved her, she just doesnt feel the same way as 10 years ago, she says to u "I am not Silivie, I am Mikono"... Furthermore, no only she doesnt love u anymore, she loves the other person... In this case would u give up on her?? Would u still compete with the other man?
How do u feel right now??? Feel any sympathy towards Kagura for his love ?? I think u seriously have to know how long is 12000 years....
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Put urself into their's shoes, lets say u have a relationship with a girl/boy, and u two loved each other really much, like one will die for the other. Then u two made a promise, even though one day u will be separeted u will stay find her, and be with her/him forever. But unfortunately, u guys lost ur meomery (sad), after 10 years u have remembered, cos the girl/boy u loved goes past u and u remembered her/his familiar face. Then u trace after her, but u know wht ??? She doesnt remember u anymore, she has a new life ! You have a new compete. No matter how many times u have traced her and tell her how much u loved her, she just doesnt feel the same way as 10 years ago, she says to u "I am not Silivie, I am Mikono"... Furthermore, no only she doesnt love u anymore, she loves the other person... In this case would u give up on her?? Would u still compete with the other man?
How do u feel right now??? Feel any sympathy towards Kagura for his love ?? I think u seriously have to know how long is 12000 years....


I just watched the ending of the original series and actually Apollo & Silvia's promise wasn't to "fall in love with each other in another 12,000 years" (Which it seemed like you were implying, so I just went with it :P) it was to "meet again in another 12,000 years". But.. Didn't that already happen? Amata & Mikono met, Kagura & Mikono met, it seems that the "falling in love" part was something that they needed to do theirselves by getting to know their "present" selves. Amata did that. Kagura did not do that because he only focuses on them being "past lovers" instead of focusing their relationship of the "present".

I never said that I didn't sympathize with Kagura, the reason he focuses so much on the past is because of Mykage after all. But that doesn't mean that I hate Amata for not giving Mikono up to someone who doesn't even love her (Kagura only cares for Sylvie). Nor do I blame Mikono for not loving him when they havn't really had the time to get to know each other. It's alright to put yourself in Kagura's shoes but maybe put yourself in Amata and Mikono's shoes aswell?

You make Kagura sound like a pitiable puppy. He's never cared for Mikono's circumstances since he kidnaps her every chance he gets. He's never cared for Mikono's love for his "competitor" since he never hesitates to attack Amata. When Mikono said that she wasn't Silvie in episode 15, you know what he calls her right after that? Silvie. :/. He's more like a persistant wolf. :P

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Ahh can't believe its already down to the final episode, can't wait to see the finale and the outcome of this final battle.

It was fucking nice to see Amata go berserk and shit going after Kagura, it was refreshing to see and I liked it. I am on Amata's side for this, he loves Mikono for who she is and not because she's Silvie. I've gotta say I am pretty sick of Kagura tbh, even though his past has been just as bad as Amata being stuck with Mykage.

Lols so Fudo is the real Apollonius. Wonder what he's going to do about all of this since it looks like he isn't just gunna stand around this time. And oooh so Andy has turned gay for Mix, damn his love sure is strong. And ahh shit I've got a bad feeling about Zessica... :(
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Put urself into their's shoes, lets say u have a relationship with a girl/boy, and u two loved each other really much, like one will die for the other. Then u two made a promise, even though one day u will be separeted u will stay find her, and be with her/him forever. But unfortunately, u guys lost ur meomery (sad), after 10 years u have remembered, cos the girl/boy u loved goes past u and u remembered her/his familiar face. Then u trace after her, but u know wht ??? She doesnt remember u anymore, she has a new life ! You have a new compete. No matter how many times u have traced her and tell her how much u loved her, she just doesnt feel the same way as 10 years ago, she says to u "I am not Silivie, I am Mikono"... Furthermore, no only she doesnt love u anymore, she loves the other person... In this case would u give up on her?? Would u still compete with the other man?
How do u feel right now??? Feel any sympathy towards Kagura for his love ?? I think u seriously have to know how long is 12000 years....


I just watched the ending of the original series and actually Apollo & Silvia's promise wasn't to "fall in love with each other in another 12,000 years" (Which it seemed like you were implying, so I just went with it :P) it was to "meet again in another 12,000 years". But.. Didn't that already happen? Amata & Mikono met, Kagura & Mikono met, it seems that the "falling in love" part was something that they needed to do theirselves by getting to know their "present" selves. Amata did that. Kagura did not do that because he only focuses on them being "past lovers" instead of focusing their relationship of the "present".

I never said that I didn't sympathize with Kagura, the reason he focuses so much on the past is because of Mykage after all. But that doesn't mean that I hate Amata for not giving Mikono up to someone who doesn't even love her (Kagura only cares for Sylvie). Nor do I blame Mikono for not loving him when they havn't really had the time to get to know each other. It's alright to put yourself in Kagura's shoes but maybe put yourself in Amata and Mikono's shoes aswell?

You make Kagura sound like a pitiable puppy. He's never cared for Mikono's circumstances since he kidnaps her every chance he gets. He's never cared for Mikono's love for his "competitor" since he never hesitates to attack Amata. When Mikono said that she wasn't Silvie in episode 15, you know what he calls her right after that? Silvie. :/. He's more like a persistant wolf. :P


WOW.... after what they have been through they simply just want to meet each other 12000 years later... Really?? Its patently more than just "meet each other again" Otherwise it doesnt make sense at all... because they already fulfiled what they wanted in the first place-meet each other after 12000 years, so whts the point of this season then??
1.Telling us who is whose reincarnation? Dont think so. Since u are saying the present is more important than the past, then it doesnt matter the past anymore.
2.Development after for Apollo and Silivia after 12000 years later? Dont think so. There are no developments of Apollo and Silivia, since they dont care about the past anymore, its AMATA and MIKONO's love, not Silivia and Apollo.

If u think and think there is no point of making this season...other than they just want to make more money, which i doubt very much.
Lets say Apollo is Apolloniu, then everything will fall into places smoothly. First, Sousei season fits perfectly - Love continues after 12000 years ago, Celiane and Apollonius meet each other, fall in love with each other, and fighter together against the hollow angels, just like 12000 years ago. Then they make a promise again, in which allow them to meet again another 12000 years. The Celiane and Apollonius love continues forever.
But unfortunately, they say that Apollo is a DOG? A freakin DOG! A DOG that have the same eyes as Apollonius? (Btw when he uses his power his eyes turn red), which in my opinion it doesnt make sense. Plus lots of evidence pointing at Apollo is Apollonius, episode 2 for example.
Overall there is no bloody point of making this season in the first place. I bet while they were deciding the Evol season, they were like "I think if Apollonius and Celiane love continues the story line will be really boring, so lets just make Apollo into someone else, so its fresh and unexpectable." Anyway, again there is no point if they just screwed up the original season-in my opinion.
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This show is shitty shit, but at least it's entertaining. I, for one, liked Fudou being Apollonius, fits perfectly into the big troll of a plot that the show has. Looking forward to see how Andy and a boy Mix will deal with their problem.
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WOW.... after what they have been through they simply just want to meet each other 12000 years later... Really?? Its patently more than just "meet each other again" Otherwise it doesnt make sense at all... because they already fulfiled what they wanted in the first place-meet each other after 12000 years, so whts the point of this season then??
1.Telling us who is whose reincarnation? Dont think so. Since u are saying the present is more important than the past, then it doesnt matter the past anymore.
2.Development after for Apollo and Silivia after 12000 years later? Dont think so. There are no developments of Apollo and Silivia, since they dont care about the past anymore, its AMATA and MIKONO's love, not Silivia and Apollo.

If u think and think there is no point of making this season...other than they just want to make more money, which i doubt very much.
Lets say Apollo is Apolloniu, then everything will fall into places smoothly. First, Sousei season fits perfectly - Love continues after 12000 years ago, Celiane and Apollonius meet each other, fall in love with each other, and fighter together against the hollow angels, just like 12000 years ago. Then they make a promise again, in which allow them to meet again another 12000 years. The Celiane and Apollonius love continues forever.
But unfortunately, they say that Apollo is a DOG? A freakin DOG! A DOG that have the same eyes as Apollonius? (Btw when he uses his power his eyes turn red), which in my opinion it doesnt make sense. Plus lots of evidence pointing at Apollo is Apollonius, episode 2 for example.
Overall there is no bloody point of making this season in the first place. I bet while they were deciding the Evol season, they were like "I think if Apollonius and Celiane love continues the story line will be really boring, so lets just make Apollo into someone else, so its fresh and unexpectable." Anyway, again there is no point if they just screwed up the original season-in my opinion.


Well, that's what Apollo said. And it doesn't seem like he meant anything more then that. :/

Pollon wished for something similar as he wished upon the stars. Something along the lines of " I want to meet Celiane again in next 12,000 years". In other words, Apollo & Silvia's meeting was fate. But falling in love was something that they had to do on their own. Same with Amata&Mikono&Kagura.

Well, wasn't it like that last season too? It was never "Celiane and Apollonius/Pollon's love" it was "Apollo and Silvia's love". They didn't love each other because they were "Celiane and Apollonius/Pollon's reincarnations" they loved each other because they were "Apollo and Silvia". It's always been like that, this theme didn't just appear this season.

I for one, laughed at the Apollo = Pollon reveal. It's just so hilarious.(Or maybe I'm just completely numb from the trolling that this series has put me through :P). I read in an interview that they were going to reveal it last season, but Apollo & Silvia took up too much time. I wish they did it then, so people wouldn't have gotten so attached to the idea (Since Apollonius = Apollo had been canon for many many years). They brought the RAGE on themselves.

I don't think it messes up the Apollo & Silvia couple. Sure, it completely changes the plot of the story, but the couple is still pretty romantic. :).. Did you love Apollo and Silvia because you THOUGHT they were lovers in the past? Or did you love Apollo and Silvia because of their interactions with each other and the things that make them different from any other couple. I'm hoping that it's the latter. :P

I think they continued this series because Apollo & Silvia didn't end together. And they promised to meet again in the next 12,000 years. So it's kinda like a cycle. In order to stop this troll cycle they need to end together! I for one do NOT want another Aquarion series.
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Yeah seems obvious Fudo is Apollonius. Still hate Mikage, and Mikono. Oh and Kagura too. Amata showed some emotion finally, but still didn't kick Kaguras ass.

Oh and did they seriously turn Andy gay? wtf? Can't Mix be "fixed"?
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AWE OMG Andy and Mix <33 sooo funny, but no it doesn't matter whether Mix is a girl or boy that's love right there!! Adorable, HHAAHAHAHA but taken away from union AGAIN!!

Let's see can anyone say child abuse?? POOR Kagura, he seriously never did anything wrong. It was all feather boy asshole. And everyone hates on Kagura, only problem smelly wench is NOT a good pick up line =[

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I want to say one thing, If fudo was apollonius the whole time... then in the first season, you know how silvie and apollo dont end up togehter because apollo sacrifices himself, well if you think about it fudo/apollonius still lived, and so did silvie/celine, he just screwed over his dog though in season one o.o lol


No, Fudo didn't like the past relationship he had and wasn't looking forward repeating it. It was subtly foreshadowed in a conversation with Sylvia.

Besides Sylvia and Sirius weren't Celiane, neither is Mikono. They might have the same soul, but they aren't the same person.

He had mad flirting chemistry with the doctor, on the other hand. She also had big breasts and short hair as Celiane. Guess Mykage chose Zessica vessel because of the type.


Oh that explains a lot of things, thanks! It's definitely better to think about it like you said, that having the same soul doesn't mean they're the same person :) Amata bascially said the same thing, that he loves Mikono because she's Mikono, unlike Kagura and his obsession with destiny. There's no such thing as destiny. 24,000 years ago, it was Apollonius and Celiane. 12,000 years ago, it was Apollo and Sylvie, and as we learned, Apollo isn't the reincarnation of Apollonius.

Btw, I don't understand how Mix's voice changes back to being feminine...her body is still male, so just because she remembers everything doesn't mean her voice can magically change pitch. I realize that it's not that important, but it kind of irks me. I guess they did it so it doesn't seem too homo :P

Lastly, they say love can drive a person mad...Mikage is the perfect example. Sucks that he was trolled by Fudo so many years ago.
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Andy and Mix are together is the best bit. But damn, is Andy ever going to get his co'ed gattai?!!

Fufo being Apollonius has been long foreshadowed. It makes sense having him as the protector of mankind which is what he's been doing, helping them learn how to fight by their own means. But it retconns Aquarion pretty badly.

Seeing Amata beat the hell out of Kagura those first 30 seconds of the episode was priceless too.
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HA Fudo was Apollonius, well played sir, well played.

And poor Andy still can't get a break.
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I did want to like the Andy/Mix coupling, but the unceasing hole metaphors makes me feel like I stumbled into a borehole.

Mykage is genuinely more likeable than Kagura. He's properly framed as a complete and utter bastard who will almost certainly die at the end, whereas Kagura is an annoying one-dimensional broken record who can only repeat "My damn woman!" endlessly, and is likely to survive the entire series because he's the designated rival to the MC.

That said, Mykage's past incarnation (Toma) coming to a realisation that "Apollo was not the reincarnation of Apollonius" (retcon FTW) completely cheapened and invalidated the entire ending sequence in the original series, for no discernible reason other than having more plot twists.


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