shintai88 said: People can be gay, its not like I have anything against them, Also its a thing that been around since alexander the great. But Marriage I think is just a different topic. Why? |
| personally i dislike g@y ppl and i also had debate with my friends and with teachers ( while i was still in highschool ) and i came to conclusion ....... they can get married ( i don't care ) , they can fu** in their homes ( i don't care ) , they can be tremendous successful ppl ( i don't care ) and etc. as long they don't overstep their limits...... lets be honest , no matter how much we try to have sympathy or understanding , or try to "adjust" society 4 them , it still won't matter coz there are always ppl who will hate them to a really critical point , there are all kinds of maniacs in this world ..... i think the homosexual ppl should really try to understand how the world spins and not trying to change things which can't be changed ......this all comes from : "admit to urself that u r homosexual" , and what we get? thats right, i will admit myself and the whole world that i am g@y , and with that u get parades going through ur city with messages like " g@y is okay" ; asking for legal marriages and even adopting children ( omg ) .... i don't hate homosexual's nor do i care about them but what they do should be done in their home ... they r the ones who need to open their eyes p.s : i am sry if i offended any1 in this thread , this post is purely objective and my opinion is stated |
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| Gays can get married for all I care, but please, for fuck's sake, don't you try to adopt a fucking baby. I don't get why'd they want to completely ruin a little kid sexually. And now don't come with stuff like 'being gay is ok', it doesn't change the fact that it's a disease of the mind. It has nothing to offer in a biological point of view, therefore not a natural thing to do. Before misunderstanding, I'm not saying it's wrong, because you can do nothing about it, you're free to enjoy whatever gives you pleasure, but don't force it on others. Also, have you guys noticed that in today's world being gay is alright, but as soon as it turns out someone is a pedophile - even though he didn't ever touch a kid - suddenly everyone despises him and calls him sick? I find it funny how much of a hypocrite people are. I get that homosexuality is not dangerous to little kids (but homosexual child adoption IS, god damnit) so it's quite benign but still, both are the same fucking thing; a sexual distortion. |
| Yet another reason I am on the verge of becoming an atheist... not that I am gay or anything I just hate that a religion claims that if you love someone of the same gender you will go to hell. |
Skullfoe said: Being gay is not a disease. If we are coming from a scientific view that is…and we are trying to have a serious argument here, aren’t we? In the past people believed having a lot of contact with gay people will make you gay too, which is already proven wrong by a lot of recent studies. Even though there isn’t a homo-gene, reliable scientists agree that “being gay” is most likely inborn or at least determined very early, even before puberty. There is no such thing as seducing someone into “being gay” thus, by having gay parents will not make you gay in advance. So yes, homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality. Read the pages before this and you will see, that homosexuality appear in the animal world too. Also, people in the past tend to have male sex slaves… And last thing. I would prefer gay parents who love me, instead of heterosexual ones that don’t give a shit about me. |
| gay and lesbian,are the new level of relationship of human.That, I hope everyone should become as such.Any women who need a baby can just go to the Sperm banks and get their baby . |
MorningGloryDec 7, 2010 9:54 AM
Nokizaru said: personally i dislike g@y ppl and i also had debate with my friends and with teachers ( while i was still in highschool ) and i came to conclusion ....... they can get married ( i don't care ) , they can fu** in their homes ( i don't care ) , they can be tremendous successful ppl ( i don't care ) and etc. as long they don't overstep their limits...... lets be honest , no matter how much we try to have sympathy or understanding , or try to "adjust" society 4 them , it still won't matter coz there are always ppl who will hate them to a really critical point , there are all kinds of maniacs in this world ..... i think the homosexual ppl should really try to understand how the world spins and not trying to change things which can't be changed ......this all comes from : "admit to urself that u r homosexual" , and what we get? thats right, i will admit myself and the whole world that i am g@y , and with that u get parades going through ur city with messages like " g@y is okay" ; asking for legal marriages and even adopting children ( omg ) .... i don't hate homosexual's nor do i care about them but what they do should be done in their home ... they r the ones who need to open their eyes p.s : i am sry if i offended any1 in this thread , this post is purely objective and my opinion is stated Terrible argument. By your logic then we should all go back to owning slaves since obviously it wasn't possible to change that. Skullfoe said: Gays can get married for all I care, but please, for fuck's sake, don't you try to adopt a fucking baby. I don't get why'd they want to completely ruin a little kid sexually. And now don't come with stuff like 'being gay is ok', it doesn't change the fact that it's a disease of the mind. It has nothing to offer in a biological point of view, therefore not a natural thing to do. Before misunderstanding, I'm not saying it's wrong, because you can do nothing about it, you're free to enjoy whatever gives you pleasure, but don't force it on others. Also, have you guys noticed that in today's world being gay is alright, but as soon as it turns out someone is a pedophile - even though he didn't ever touch a kid - suddenly everyone despises him and calls him sick? I find it funny how much of a hypocrite people are. I get that homosexuality is not dangerous to little kids (but homosexual child adoption IS, god damnit) so it's quite benign but still, both are the same fucking thing; a sexual distortion. Don't worry. They'll just rape the kid instead. |
Lightyear8684 said: Don't see anything wrong about gay love, of course I don't like it, but it don' t bother me either, anyways as someone said every has right to love as long as that love is moral, but again what is morality?If some kind of zoophile starts his "love" with some kind of animals or something like that, is that acceptable?Well I don't accept it, though gays doesn't involve pets, little children, so I'm fine... That's completely different. Relationships between same sexes are generally consensual. Relationships with animals however, are not. Sure you could probably find some cases where someone does an animal, or a guy marries a goat, but in some cases that I've heard, when an animal is messed with in that way it causes severe mental trauma. And @ people complaining about homosexuals getting kids through adoption, how is that wrong? They have long tests to see whether parents are a good couple and worthy parents, and if they want to adopt they usually are intent on having kids and doing a good job. That doesn't matter though, because abusive, alcoholic families are so much better, because they're of the same sex. I'm genuinely surprised at the closed minded people around here, I had higher expectations. Gays can't love each other, only lust. Homosexuality is a disease of the mind. If being gay's alright, why can't people be paedophiles? Spank my ass and call me Mr. Fantastic, I am bamboozled. |
BakaKawaii said: And @ people complaining about homosexuals getting kids through adoption, how is that wrong? They have long tests to see whether parents are a good couple and worthy parents, and if they want to adopt they usually are intent on having kids and doing a good job. That doesn't matter though, because abusive, alcoholic families are so much better, because they're of the same sex. I'm genuinely surprised at the closed minded people around here, I had higher expectations. Gays can't love each other, only lust. Homosexuality is a disease of the mind. If being gay's alright, why can't people be paedophiles? Spank my ass and call me Mr. Fantastic, I am bamboozled. Couldn't have said it better myself, I agree completely. |
Birix2Dec 7, 2010 5:48 PM
| Well im not big on the whole gay thing. But im also not homophobic. I dont see it as evil...but.. ughh, wait my thoughts are kinda in a jam... |
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mljato said: Being gay is not a disease. If we are coming from a scientific view that is…and we are trying to have a serious argument here, aren’t we? In the past people believed having a lot of contact with gay people will make you gay too, which is already proven wrong by a lot of recent studies. Even though there isn’t a homo-gene, reliable scientists agree that “being gay” is most likely inborn or at least determined very early, even before puberty. There is no such thing as seducing someone into “being gay” thus, by having gay parents will not make you gay in advance. So yes, homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality. Read the pages before this and you will see, that homosexuality appear in the animal world too. Also, people in the past tend to have male sex slaves…. Yes, it's not a disease, it's just that I couldn't remember the right word for it till the end, which is distortion. I believe that having gay parents can be a cause of developing gay desires later on. Your sexual orientation and fetishes are usually determined in your early ages. For example childhood trauma can cause one to be a rapist or a pedophile. Now don't say that you can't imagine any traumatic events by having parents of the same gender. Even if your home life is all good and well, think of the constant bullying and such... You can't possibly convince me that homosexuality is natural. Yes, animals tend to be bisexual, so what? Other animals eat their mate. I'm also well aware of the sexual relationships between males in the ancient times, but this doesn't make it natural. Scientific view dictates that every race's most important genetic goal is breeding and thus surviving, right? What does homosexualily have to contribute to that? MorningGlory said: gay and lesbian,are the new level of relationship of human.That, I hope everyone should become as such.Any women who need a baby can just go to the Sperm banks and get their baby . Terrible trolling. |
Gunbladewarrior said: That's because they are ignorant. And are there any arguments against gay marriage that should not be dismissed? I have yet to hear any.You can also reverse this. Most people who think it's ok immediately dismiss anything the other side has to say. They're called ignorant and/or insulted while trying to give their side. The nay sayers are basically trying to force their subjective opinion on someone else and wish to limit other people's freedom because of nothing other than subjective beliefs. I cannot see how any such arguments would be worthy to waste time on. The moment anyone bring up "because the Bible says so" in a discussion that is not related to theology, their argument immediately lose any relevance to anyone who doesn't subscribe to their subjective belief, and is thus worthless. mbcota said: The problem is that fixing all those other things require time and money, while any bigot can easily spend 5 minutes making a sign with a retarded slogan and march around shouting like an idiot.The bible says a lot about caring for the sick,helping to feed the hungry, and clothing the needy. It don't say too much about gay people. In fact the pertinent material to that takes up less than a few paragraphs, if even that. Compared to pages and pages of things we should REALLY be doing in out lives that's like a drop in the bucket. Religious people are not better than anyone else, even if their moral codes encourage them to be. Indeed, as we all know, many would rather use their faith as an excuse to denounce and persecute others than to help anyone. Skullfoe said: So the kids are ruined if they have gay parents? Please cite your sources for this observation, or it's nothing but bullshit.Gays can get married for all I care, but please, for fuck's sake, don't you try to adopt a fucking baby. I don't get why'd they want to completely ruin a little kid sexually. Also, bullying is actually a lot less of a problem than what you'd think. Younger kids have been shown to completely disregard it, and by the time they get older, they'll surely see that it's not so unusual at all. Besides, no one ever bullies someone because of one fact like that. It's the victim's personality and personal societal weakness that determins who's bullied, not what sexual affiliation their parents have. MorningGlory said: That's too far on the other end though. "Next level of relationship"? Since when? There's been homosexuality all throughout history, it's hardly anything new, nor is it inherently better than heterosexuality in any way. On the contrary, the fact that people have to get through a lot more obstacles to get children is obviously a fact that favour heterosexuality.gay and lesbian,are the new level of relationship of human.That, I hope everyone should become as such.Any women who need a baby can just go to the Sperm banks and get their baby . BakaKawaii said: Wait, mental trauma? How do you record mental trauma in animals again? If a woman trains her dog to fetch a ball or give her a good time, what's the difference? It's still merely training an animal to do something that it is perfectly able to do.That's completely different. Relationships between same sexes are generally consensual. Relationships with animals however, are not. Sure you could probably find some cases where someone does an animal, or a guy marries a goat, but in some cases that I've heard, when an animal is messed with in that way it causes severe mental trauma. Humans can get emotional problems because of sexual stuff because we view them in an entirely different light. For animals however, it's an act as natural as taking a dump, so I don't see the problem, other that it's gross to fuck an animal. But hell, it's gross for guys to fuck each other too, but as long as I don't need to see it, what's the problem? |
| In his 1993 article, Dr. Frank Ascione stated that “bestiality may be considered cruel even in cases when physical harm to an animal does not occur (this is similar to the case of adult sexual activity with a child where consent is presumed to be impossible).” This is because animals are unable to be fully informed, communicate consent, or to speak out about their abuse. In a 1997 article, Piers Beirne, Professor of Criminology at the University of Southern Maine, points out that “for genuine consent to sexual relations to be present...both participants must be conscious, fully informed and positive in their desires. Bestiality is by nature sexual coercion because animals are incapable of genuinely saying ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to humans in forms we can readily understand.” In human-animal relationships, the human has power and control over the animal, often in all aspects of the animal’s care and well-being. Thus, a sexual “relationship” between human and animal cannot be considered consensual. |
Skullfoe said: As I said, I am not trying to convince you with my own little theories, but I am referring to studies about that matter. For example, a research summary from the APA (American Psychological Association) states the following: Source I bolded the important parts as I know people won’t read that damn whole thing (even though it is only a part of a summery itself). I could provide many other sources as well, if this one is not enough. If you can point me to any reliable sources that states the opposite, I am willing to reconsider. But for now, homosexuality is as natural as nature can get. The adaptivity on the other hand can be questioned but just because it might not serve any higher means, does not mean it’s not part of the nature. I find zebras freaking pointless but I would never question them being natural. |
Baman said: The nay sayers are basically trying to force their subjective opinion on someone else and wish to limit other people's freedom because of nothing other than subjective beliefs. I cannot see how any such arguments would be worthy to waste time on. The moment anyone bring up "because the Bible says so" in a discussion that is not related to theology, their argument immediately lose any relevance to anyone who doesn't subscribe to their subjective belief, and is thus worthless. They love to do it though. Especially in arguments about abortion and homosexuality where it doesn't belong. mljato said: I find zebras freaking pointless but I would never question them being natural. Huh? |
Drunk_Samurai said: Huh? What? Don't you get the point I am trying to point out or don't you get, why I find zebras pointless? In case of last one: They are just like horses. Only striped. Whats the point? And you can't even ride them. They are just blocking the damn road all day. As this is the INTERNET I guess I should add that I am not really serious here -.- |
| I am offended at your treatment of Zebras. Er. Gay people. What was the metaphor again? |
| I apologize for trying to close of my argument with a comment I thought was witty. It wasn’t my intention to turn a thread discussing gay love into a thread discussion the sense of zebras... |
naeCeal said: Thanks for reading everybody's opinions and theories. Its pretty much a no duh answer to the Catholic Church's strict views on Gay marriage. For Christ's sake it appeared in the first chapter of Romans. Paul even went as far as to INSULT homosexuals," Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.DigimonVentura said: So I wanted your guys' input on gay marriage in general. Mostly so I can stop my teacher right in her tracks for good :) I've got the best opinion on the entire board here. Anyway... Gay marriage is not good and it is not evil. Gay marriage can/could be good and can/could be evil. Period. I believe that gay-oriented persons should be allowed to marry if they both choose to do so. Further, I feel that the main pendulum swing here is in fact stemming from belief from religious teachings, what ever it may be, and that revolves around the marriage system. For example, if two gay-oriented persons decide to get married at a Catholic church or via Catholic proceedings, that would obviously be met with resistance because of the teachings parallel from the dogma. At which point it is provocative toward Catholics, and to say screw your teachings, we'll invade without respect where due and consciously violate, in this semiotic sense. This is near impossible to resolve at the current time. Personally, I do not think that marriage in it's essence can be labeled good or evil. I see no agenda to give either concept the palatability for such a judgment that would be considered viable on a daily basis. In this logic sense, everything and everyone needs a friend and an enemy to some degree. If God were as perfect as we perceive him to be, then why does he have an imbalance of good? For which it is true to say that he has an enemy, according to the whole Catholic church. It is not perfect good to have an enemy, I believe. Now, of course we all agree not to be forced into something, right? I mean, who likes to be forced to do things that may be found objectionable? As long as there is nothing similar to a chemical test to prove good or evil in a circumstance or situation, it is too vague to argue effectively. Enjoy my opinion, it's so nutritious. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1: 26-32) When I found this passage I was just about speechless at the contradictory opinions in the passage and brought up the debate. How would you react if you were Catholic your whole life and suddenly changed your views of life theologically recently (being about a year) and seeing this passage while your teacher tries to justify the Church's fixed/edited dogmas? Oh yeah I wouldn't go as far as to say the BEST opinion either. Not even if you corrected yourself saying the BETTER opinion either. Because there is no right answer for this question, you cannot claim you are correct or incorrect. But it would be nice for no closed minds to take part of a question that requires thinking with your own mind. Also you cannot say that your the best because there are alot of people here with equally well thought answers as well. No offense though I like your answer =) |
DigiDigiDec 7, 2010 7:09 PM
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BakaKawaii said: Well, so what? No relationship between human and animal is ever consensual, it's a master-pet relationship after all. We keep them around because they amuse us or whatever.-zip- So if someone chose to do some creepy stuff with their pets, why shouldn't they be allowed to? And again, unless there's any physical harm, an animal surely wouldn't take any damage from it, probably quite the opposite. I still don't see the problem there. Why make something illegal if no one is hurt by it? Also, it's absurd to equate it with child abuse. Children are humans after all, and can thus suffer from psychological repercussions. |
mbcota said: haha you got a point there, ancient times sucked BIG time. Thanks for agreeing there, and I should have elaborated a bit more on that verse. Just wanted to throw that out there as to why the Church is losing members rather than gaining in the past 1000+ years. Yeah...pointless Crusades, prejudice, corruption, influence in the biggest world leaders+ biggest wars in history. No wonder huh? Regardless if it is the biggest organized religion in the world, the organized structure itself is not justified as holy, maybe with Pope John Paul II (RIP I love you, you inspired my grandma and helped her live a long and hearty life through her diseases and alcohol addiction.) the Roman Catholic Church can maybe called "holy" if they keep it up.Paul even went as far as to INSULT homosexuals," =) The only issue I have with your comment on the bible there (I am not religious btw) is that the verse, like many of the verses that mention Homosexuality, really doesn't focus on the subject of homosexuality as much as it does depravity in general, one of which in the bible can be homosexuality. Other depravities in this chapter: They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. My interpretation is it's more of an issue of debauchery in general, mainly pertaining to Roman culture, with homosexuality being only one of the sins mentioned. After all, Christianity frowns upon almost any sort of deviant sexual act, and anything outside of marriage for that matter. In Roman times orgies in high class circles could be common, and let's not forget the religious observances of Bacchus where Hedonism was the "it" fad of the time. And of course Paul would insult Homosexuals. Even as far as 100 years ago you would be hard pressed to find ANYONE defending homosxuals, much less 2,000 years ago. |
DigiDigiDec 7, 2010 8:25 PM
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| It is neither Good or Evil. It simply is. After all, its the same as heterosexual love.. Your partner just has the same body parts as you. |
Heh check this out:  I present to you the Unitarian branch of Christianity. The most common thing when you hear "Chritianity" or the "Bible" you think of the Roman Catholic Church:  (Gross and very contradicting huh? Like my dad likes to say ,since RCC is centralized in Vatican City in Italian region, they are the biggest mafia in the world, don't underestimate the pope my dear children *tsundere punch from my mom*)Unitarians have a diverse range of beliefs, different from Protestant, Baptist, Orthodox, and especially Roman Catholic. So to wrongly assume all Christians are corrupt and theologically retarded is inaccurate. To be blunt, don't even step on the boundary as to insult religion. Two reasons being that religion, along with philosophy,science and any other human ideas are a process far from perfection. 2nd reason being you should insult the person for being closed minded,ignorant, and egoistic. Now that I place my stand in religion and philosophy, I think I've served my purpose as an Agnostic :) |
DigiDigiDec 7, 2010 9:18 PM
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mbcota said: That is the best way to argue you know lol you have to find someway to agree with your arguer and show them your views. Philosophy is also a + when it comes to agnosticism. Lucky for me my parents don't mind, I was surprised when my mom found out when I told her and her reaction. She basically did the "whatever floats your boat" kinda impression. Lucky me :) Being an Agnostic is the Bees Knees, except for the fact that you have to be willing to listen to everyone lol. My large view for gays comes from various reasons one being my dad (never was homo btw) and his brother because they were born in San Fransisco (yeah yeah) and even though they moved around alot they have fond memories in SF with their gay friends that they only knew for so long. They occasionally went back and forth to talk to them but in the end splitting ways as friends because of the time my dad and my uncle were away. So yeah my background with homosexuality is pretty strong and I think I might protest someday just to get my fill in society and show that I care. What some of you point out earlier is true. I brought this topic up for personal reasons against my teacher, against society and individuals, and also for an increase in my knowledge and wisdom. So far you guys brought up some very legit opinions,views, and points and I thank you and I wish for more :) |
DigiDigiDec 7, 2010 9:58 PM
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DigimonVentura said: Heh check this out: I present to you the Unitarian branch of Christianity. The most common thing when you hear "Chritianity" or the "Bible" you think of the Roman Catholic Church: (Gross and very contradicting huh? Like my dad likes to say ,since RCC is centralized in Vatican City in Italian region, they are the biggest mafia in the world, don't underestimate the pope my dear children *tsundere punch from my mom*)Unitarians have a diverse range of beliefs, different from Protestant, Baptist, Orthodox, and especially Roman Catholic. So to wrongly assume all Christians are corrupt and theologically retarded is inaccurate. To be blunt, don't even step on the boundary as to insult religion. Two reasons being that religion, along with philosophy,science and any other human ideas are a process far from perfection. 2nd reason being you should insult the person for being closed minded,ignorant, and egoistic. Now that I place my stand in religion and philosophy, I think I've served my purpose as an Agnostic :) No matter what people are going to find something wrong with any denomination of Christianity. Just look at people like the Westboro Baptist Church and what they do. Then check other denomination and you will find people with similar ideals. |
Drunk_Samurai said: You can say that about philosophy and any other religion too :PNo matter what people are going to find something wrong with any denomination of Christianity. Just look at people like the Westboro Baptist Church and what they do. Then check other denomination and you will find people with similar ideals. |
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| Gay is neither good or evil. If it is evil, then they aren't human beings. In fact, we're all human beings despite our sexuality. It doesn't really matter unless if we can get along. The only main problems: homophobic people and very religious people. Heck, there are people that don't believe in God. |
| To be honest, I am glad to see handsome gay getting marry.( Elton John is hot ^_^) Skullfoe said: HAHA it is a very good idea if all the people just forgot what is heterosexual .It can control population birth ..maybe there is more benefit like genetic improvement by matching with the most suitable genes or something like that..Just like what you said, homo contribute nothing.Terrible trolling. this idea seems trolling , lol most idealist always come up with trolling idea anyway.Idea like aviation,space travel,proving the world is round ....all this idea are trolling in the past lol Anyway, i am trolling ^_^ ya Homosexual has been practice long time ago, but still Homo is not appreciate by the most the people. Skullfoe said: source?Now don't say that you can't imagine any traumatic events by having parents of the same gender. here is one we're totally equal and just as loving as female parents, as straight parents, and biological parents." "Love makes a family, not biology or gender," you underestimated the power of love. Love is not bound by logic ,it is bound by understanding. |
DigimonVentura said: Drunk_Samurai said: You can say that about philosophy and any other religion too :PNo matter what people are going to find something wrong with any denomination of Christianity. Just look at people like the Westboro Baptist Church and what they do. Then check other denomination and you will find people with similar ideals. But that's the point. No matter what there will be people full of hatred against gays and pro-choicers and whatever else they deem immoral. animelly said: Gay is neither good or evil. If it is evil, then they aren't human beings. In fact, we're all human beings despite our sexuality. It doesn't really matter unless if we can get along. The only main problems: homophobic people and very religious people. Heck, there are people that don't believe in God. Those usually go hand in hand. Also what does being atheist have to do with your post? |
| I think homosexuality isn't bad or good thing. Love isn't evil, as long as no one get hurts... I guess... |
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| I don't see how evil or good fits here. Personally, I don't understand why somebody would want to date their own sex, but hey, it's their choice. |
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| I believe that love is love no matter which gender, male or female, they are still humans. I don't see it as good or evil, if someone loves someone else who is their own gender then fine, if they love someone who is the opposite gender then that is fine too. |
| I'm not really with the idea of people getting married, as I think it's stupid how some people think you have to be married to be in love, but people that don't think that and just want to, good for them. But I don't think gay marriage, or for two people of the same gender, is evil. It's okay for two people of the opposite gender to love each other, but when the opposite gender love each other, I don't think people think of it as being serious love, or love that can last a lifetime. Just because they love each other, it shouldn't be looked at as wrong, I don't see how people can be so judgemental about subjects like this. One thing matters for sure, as long as they love each other, and the both know that they do, other people's close-minded opinions of gay marriage/love, shouldn't matter, and should'nt try to say that their heart is in a wrong place, and shouldn't be loved of the same gender |
naeCeal said: As there is no scientific test to prove whether or not being gay is a disease, you can equally say that it is a disease. A disease is a condition of abnormal functioning, and so it stifles procreation, a normal function. While it is considered that diseases spread by the nearest means possible, there is no biological or biochemical explanation to it's causation or spread methodology. So persons decide to dismiss the notion that it is a disease, when in fact the disease can be spread also by non-biochemical means, and/or any other non-biological means that there may be. It could very well be by social stigma. Someone has to underline the possibilities. So, it is not scientific to say that by being gay is not a disease, either. Really, either way is unscientific, because there are no biopsies or anything that scientists would consider valid demonstrating that being gay is or not a disease. Well, yes, of course. If we go by falsifications then there is indeed no scientific way to prove that homosexuality is not a disease but then there is also no way to prove heterosexuality isn’t one as well. Now, the definition you gave about disease sounds quite right, so I am not going to argue with that. But your conclusion that basically says: “what stifles procreation is a disease” kind of seems strange to me. For example: being ugly. I would guess, that it does stifle procreation but I doubt anyone would say being ugly is a disease. And also, just because procreation is a normal function does not mean, everything that doesn’t contribute to this is automatically a abnormal function, it might as well be another normal function. A maladaptive function, granted, but still not a abnormal one. That is actually my whole point. If you say, homosexuality is useless from the evolution point of view, I wouldn’t disagree (like zebras) but if you say homosexuality is a harmful disease that should be wiped out, I have to veto. |
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naeCeal said: By saying that homosexuality is "maladaptive" it is like saying that contracting a disease is not abnormal and so we should view it as a plus, and effectively ignore and not treat it, really. Then again, it does depend on the severity and whether or not does this functioning effect those in the vicinity of said person. So you're saying all gays should be treated for their "disease"? |
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