What does overrated truly means?

K_Rool_Addict said:
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I mean, I think the One Piece manga is pretty overrated, but I still consider it to be "good" overall.

K_Rool_Addict said:
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@wape
I mean, I think the One Piece manga is pretty overrated, but I still consider it to be "good" overall.

Adimus_prime said:
This an unpopular opinion of mine but a lot of people only call shows overrated when they have no real criticism of it. Who are you to decide how many people should like a show? The word "overrated" has become such a buzzword for tryhards who want to seem like they have "The pinnacle of taste" so bad and I am genuinely sick of see that word everytime someone want to have "hot take".

So in conclusion the word overrated is overrated.

Hrybami said:


This is the most elitist thing I've ever read.

Armados said:
Overrated is a term often used aimed towards franchises that are simply not good enough for the praise they receive. Their fandoms refuse to admit the very blatant flaws said franchises have. They often treat them as perfect, being toxic towards anyone who thinks otherwise, would try to compare their beloved shitty franchise with everything else and will often diss people for liking something else.

For instance, the entire Demon Slayer hype - is it overrated? Yep. The series isn't good, the adaptation of Ufotable is however. People can't differentiate between a good story (which Demon Slayer isn't) to a very good adaptation where a studio carried a series to victory.

Another example? Dragon Ball as a whole. The Dragon Ball fandom is filled with dumb, toxic people, who try to compare Goku to literally everything. Funny enough, Goku is one of the dumbest main characters to ever be created. He is badly written, and is as dumb as the people who adore him, so maybe in this case it has more to do with people being able to associate themselves with his idiocy. Same could be said about One Punch Man with Saitama's idiocy, the entire fanbase of "herp derp he is the strongest thing ever hahaha" even though they refuse to admit One's writing is subpar and he messes up way too much in the last couple of years.

Very often, the simpler an anime is, the more likely it will become popular - people enjoy stuff that is easy to consume. They care about waifus over plot, they care about random fights and shouting instead of having a gradual buildup towards an emotinally invested fight, they care about big explosions and transformations over technique and planning. These are all fine, but when people start shoving everyone's face their thoughts about how their shit is the best thing ever, and masses of people try to do the same - that's exactly when something enters the overrated territory.

Play2X said:


Man, there are quite a few things I don't agree with.
First of all, the relevant part, the definition of overrated. The way you defined it as lets you appear as some absolute elitist, who thinks their opinion is the only one that matters. Your definition would incline that those, who call shows overrated, are absolutely and always right, because the fandom it is aimed towards is incapable of seeing their flaws.
Just no, man.
Calling a show "overrated" simple means that a show, or pretty much whatever one rates, has a higher rating than the rater thinks it should have based on whatever scale he uses.

Now, to those other little points. You said that Kimetsu no Yaiba is overrated, not good, and only profited of ufotable. How exactly do you come to that conclusion? The only point of those three that is in some way measurable might be the third one, and even that is kinda tricky. Of course, ufotable did an amazing job with Kimetsu no Yaiba, nobody questions that. But we can't say whether the show would've had more success if say david production or KyoAni or Toei would've done the show. Simply because those numbers don't exist, and never really can. The only thing we can really measure would be how much the manga sells grew after the adaptation, but even that wouldn't give us too much to work with. And on Kimetsu no Yaibas qualitiy, how would you rate whether its good or not? You can compare it to your standards, and come to a conclusion whether it works for you or not, but thats about it.
Same really with Goku and his character traits. He might not work for you, but he might as well work for a whole lot of other people. Don't get me wrong, I don't particulary like Dragon Ball or Goku, but still. From my perspective as aspiring writer I see an archetypical Paragon hero, unchanging in his attributes, but nonetheless enjoyable if one likes such a kind of character.
Well, the last bit... I can't really say you are wrong, because what you described is exactly what happened in movies, and well, also in anime, because the simpler something is, the better you can market it. I mean, would you rather try to sell a simple pen, or a pen with invisible inc which is only readable under the full moon, integrated with voicerecorder, laser pointer and a nuclear warhead?

Adimus_prime said:
How was what I said elitist in any, shape, or form?

Hrybami said:


Maybe by how you judged people based on a single word they used?

Adimus_prime said:
This an unpopular opinion of mine but a lot of people only call shows overrated when they have no real criticism of it. Who are you to decide how many people should like a show? The word "overrated" has become such a buzzword for tryhards who want to seem like they have "The pinnacle of taste" so bad and I am genuinely sick of see that word everytime someone want to have "hot take".

So in conclusion the word overrated is overrated.

Adimus_prime said:


It's not like my judgment holds no truth to it. How many times have we seen someone say "(Insert anime here) is overrated" and provide no reason as to why it is overrated. Which is why I say calling an anime overrated is criticism for people who have no criticism. Since people like a show a lot does nothing to the quality show itself.

Also the reason I called them "tryhards who want to seem like they have the pinnacle of taste" is that your not gonna see someone call an obscure anime that no one talks about overrated because no one talks about the show. It is always the new popular show that is airing or some highly respected show because that's the way you're gonna get the brownie points from the actual elitists who just shit on what everyone else likes and think that they have better taste because of it.

Ferien said:
Why do people overthink the meaning of the word?

It's just a personal opinion of an individual of thinking that a certain work is given more value by everyone else than the one he/she believes it really deserves.

It doesn't mean anything else.

Hrybami said:


Overrated is not a criticism. What are you talking about? And why would anyone call a obscure anime overrated if there is no one to overrate them in the first place?

Here for you:

Adimus_prime said:
Yes I know overrated isn't a criticism which I said "It is a criticism for people who have no criticism " because you can't fault a show for people liking it. So therefore it isn't a criticism.

Also I never said that it wasn't the meaning because that is definition. However here in the anime community the words meaning has been completely destroyed because most of the instances you see people using the word overrated just boils down to "I don't like this show there for it is overrated because I don't like it".

Hrybami said:


I have never seen anyone says that they didn't like a show because it is overrated. That sounds really absurd and surreal as a reason to dislike an anime.

Adimus_prime said:
Maybe I just spend to much time on anitwitter because it is like all across there. Anitwitter is a cesspit of shit takes and people just calling shows overrated and saying they don't like it because it is overrated.

Hrybami said:


No idea what Anitwitter could be, but that sounds like an awful place. At least here on MAL people refer to the rating a show is getting and I'm pretty sure that everyone who said overrated at least had a reason to why they think that.

wape said:
Whenever someone uses the word "overrated" - all it means is "lots of other people liked it, but I didn't."

Armados said:
Regarding your first point - I never said people aren't allowed to like something that I don't enjoy. The moment they try to shove into everyone's face about how much their series is great and such while shitting on everyone else is a problem, and it happens way too often. I don't treat ratings or scores as anything regarding being overrated or not, as the scores can easily be messed with and are very easy to manipulate.

Play2X said:

This is unfortunately pretty much what I expected. You say that people are allowed to enjoy shows yo dislike, yet a single paragraph later you go over an anime you dislike and how it is overrated with little more than 'I don't like it.' The person who is 'shoving their opinion into someones face about how a series is shit' is you, dear sir (or lady)
Way to proove a point I guess.

I'll put the rest into a spoiler, because this is technically off-topic, if this continues we should do that on our pinwall or something.

Armados said:
Overrated is a term often used aimed towards franchises that are simply not good enough for the praise they receive. Their fandoms refuse to admit the very blatant flaws said franchises have. They often treat them as perfect, being toxic towards anyone who thinks otherwise, would try to compare their beloved shitty franchise with everything else and will often diss people for liking something else.

For instance, the entire Demon Slayer hype - is it overrated? Yep. The series isn't good, the adaptation of Ufotable is however. People can't differentiate between a good story (which Demon Slayer isn't) to a very good adaptation where a studio carried a series to victory.

Another example? Dragon Ball as a whole. The Dragon Ball fandom is filled with dumb, toxic people, who try to compare Goku to literally everything. Funny enough, Goku is one of the dumbest main characters to ever be created. He is badly written, and is as dumb as the people who adore him, so maybe in this case it has more to do with people being able to associate themselves with his idiocy. Same could be said about One Punch Man with Saitama's idiocy, the entire fanbase of "herp derp he is the strongest thing ever hahaha" even though they refuse to admit One's writing is subpar and he messes up way too much in the last couple of years.

Very often, the simpler an anime is, the more likely it will become popular - people enjoy stuff that is easy to consume. They care about waifus over plot, they care about random fights and shouting instead of having a gradual buildup towards an emotinally invested fight, they care about big explosions and transformations over technique and planning. These are all fine, but when people start shoving everyone's face their thoughts about how their shit is the best thing ever, and masses of people try to do the same - that's exactly when something enters the overrated territory.

Armados said:

I'll only reply to the stuff regarding the definition of overrated, as everything else goes off topic and people might get annoyed if they see walls of text related to how good/bad Kimetsu and Goku are.

I don't fall under the same explanation I gave. I don't just run towards the Demon Slayer's community and tell them what they love is trash. You asked me to hand over my opinion as to why I think the series is trash, and I explained my point of view. There is a vast difference between having an opinion, and trying to shove your opinion into everyone's face. I accept people like mediocre/bad stuff, I don't force people to change, but if people ask me to explain my opinion I just do, regardless of whether you like it or not, including shitting on said franchises to explain how I see them precisely.

DB fans constantly have this dick measurement contest of "how strong a character from X franchise compared to Goku", and they always try to shit on other franchises due to the characters' powerlevels. Same goes with One Punch Man and Saitama fans. Same could go with JoJo fans and how everything in JoJo is "better" than everything else because "reasons". That's when a show is overrated, not because someone is stating their opinion when they are asked to explain it.

thiago52192 said:
THANK YOU! People like you give me hope in this community. The real problem of this situation, when the masses really start forcing their opinion that a show with a weak plot (a conclusion you can make by analyzing the plot without the influence of personal feelings or opinions) is the best thing ever, is that it is extremely disrespectful to other works that genuinely cared about making their plot good. People can like whatever they want. Hell, I don't care if a show like that is your favorite of all time. But wanting the show to be treated as some kind of masterpiece is pretty much saying a big "Fuck You!" to other works that clearly cared into making their story work.

Play2X said:


Just saying, but I never asked for your opinion, since you posted first. Your opening post had lines in which you stated that Kimetsu is overrated and the community of said show is toxic, etc. At that point you didn't even know of my existence yet. Don't get me wrong, I subconsciously call shows bad all the time even though I know that there is no such thing as a truly bad show, only shows that worked for people and those that didn't.
I merely mentioned it, because you came off as a jerk the way you phrased it and sounded sometimes like the pot calling the cattle black. I'm repeating myself here, but I know I do that more often subconsciously than I want to admit, but as long as we are able to admit that, we might be able to increase the general quality of discussions on that site, which would help everyone in the community having a better day.

Quite honestly, I'm not active enough to have seen people do dickcontests on who is stronger. It is certainly a fun activity every once in a while as long as people stay civilized and only use facts, but like I said, haven't dealt enough with those groups of fans.



You might want to read the full conversation Armados and I just had, because you pretty much are being just as toxic as the other side there.

wape said:
all it means is "lots of other people liked it, but I didn't."

Armados said:

You think that way precisely because you like the series. Once again, I didn't run towards Kimetsu communities saying "haha your show sucks X is way better fuck everything beneath it". That's what plenty of fans of other franchises do, I don't do that. I share my opinion with what I would define as "legitimate" reasons according to my own pespective, which is a solid way in my opinion. If people came to the right places, shared their opinion regarding how great Kimetsu is without literally trying to shove everywhere how they think Tanjirou is the greatest character ever made in anime I wouldn't have minded. But they do exactly that. They literally try to compare everything to Demon Slayer these days. People take Ninja's tweet regarding how he thinks Demon Slayer is the best anime ever made and treat it as a fact, trying to diss everything else. Its completely different from my approach, whether you like it or not.