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Jun 12, 2013 11:26 AM
#101
Forgetfulness said: When I want a "realistic" and wimpy MC, I do not want it in an anime with a synopsis like this: This psychological thriller, based on the manga written and illustrated by Sakae Esuno, is about Yuki, a loner who's not very good with people. He prefers to write a diary on his cell phone and talk to his imaginary friend, Deus Ex Machina – The God of Time and Space. However, Yuki soon learns that Deus is more than a figment of his imagination when he makes Yuki participate in a battle royale with eleven others. The contestants are given special diaries that can predict the future, each diary possessing unique features that give it both advantages and disadvantages. Within the next 90 days, the contestants must try to survive until there is only one left standing. The winner will become the new God of Time and Space. Not once in that paragraph did it remotely hint that he would cry for over half the series. It also didn't say it would suck feature a crazy yandere. |
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Jun 12, 2013 11:52 AM
#102
Jun 12, 2013 7:35 PM
#103
I want to see more muscular/manly characters. All leads are skinny uke teenage boys :L .... nothing bad with that, but it gets tiring sometimes.... |
Jun 12, 2013 11:39 PM
#104
Wimpy male leads are indeed grating as hell, especially if they stay that way for the entire series. |
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Jun 12, 2013 11:49 PM
#105
Jun 13, 2013 12:01 AM
#106
Is this where I get to tell everyone what I learned in intro to sociology about how gender roles are artificial, maaaaan? |
Jun 13, 2013 12:44 AM
#107
Cbubbles said: Is this where I get to tell everyone what I learned in intro to sociology about how gender roles are artificial, maaaaan? Yes please, enlighten us. |
Jun 13, 2013 1:17 AM
#108
Pretty much. The only people who enjoy wimpy protagonists are basically beta wimpy males themselves. |
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Jun 13, 2013 1:18 AM
#109
Jun 13, 2013 1:19 AM
#110
ihateeveryone said: patsuan said: Whenever a MC starts crying, or has that look in his eyes like "fuck, I can't do this man, I'm gonna die", it really grinds my gears and makes me wanna stop watching that crap. Because males can't ever be weak, right? No, after watching Evangelion I began to really sympathize with these types of characters and I definitely don't hate them. Especially after how overemphasized Shinji being a "wimpy crybaby" was. I just think people's hatred and rage for them is over exaggerated and dumb. Well they shouldn't be. Hard to believe that we went from sword swinging barbarians (our ancestors) to filing lawsuits for someone calling you fat or gay (today) and being a complete bitch about it rather than confront it. |
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Aug 1, 2013 5:13 AM
#111
Yes i hate them. Especially the main character of Evangelion is disgusting. Red_Keys said: MajinSaga said: Or people who know how to think.Pretty much. The only people who enjoy wimpy protagonists are basically beta wimpy males themselves. No. I agree with MajinSaga. |
Aug 1, 2013 5:26 AM
#112
Aerostar said: Yes i hate them. Especially the main character of Evangelion is disgusting. Red_Keys said: MajinSaga said: Or people who know how to think.Pretty much. The only people who enjoy wimpy protagonists are basically beta wimpy males themselves. No. I agree with MajinSaga. How so? Let's use Shinji and you as examples. If you are in the same situation as Shinji's, will you let yourself pilot that fucking EVA without even thinking you might get killed once you pilot it and get into action? Before you call Shinji as disgusting and other protagonists that you classify them as "wimpy" as well, try to think first like what Red_Key's said about their perspective and such. You classify Shinji as disgusting yet I bet you'll get the same reaction as Shinji if there'll be a time that you'll be on a same situation as him? Then you classify yourself too as disgusting. |
TennoujiAug 1, 2013 5:42 AM
Aug 1, 2013 5:31 AM
#113
I like them. It's better than a perfect hero that can pick up any weapon and use without trying. (Saito being an exception) |
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Aug 1, 2013 5:33 AM
#114
Aug 1, 2013 5:41 AM
#115
ShoujoChrome said: Only when they stay wimpy and do not develop themselves throughout. True. This is the only time when the wimpy leads get annoying. For an example, this is why Rito of TLR is such an annoying MC. He gets used to being around girls (and talking to them), but never mans up (never tries to clear the misunderstandings). Then again, it's a harem ecchi, so I guess it's partly my fault for expecting anything else. |
Aug 1, 2013 5:43 AM
#116
Tennouji_ said: Aerostar said: Yes i hate them. Especially the main character of Evangelion is disgusting. Red_Keys said: MajinSaga said: Or people who know how to think.Pretty much. The only people who enjoy wimpy protagonists are basically beta wimpy males themselves. No. I agree with MajinSaga. How so? Let's use Shinji and you as examples. If you are in the same situation as Shinji's, will you let yourself pilot that fucking EVA without even thinking you might get killed once you pilot it and get into action? Before you call Shinji as disgusting and other protagonists that you classify them as "wimpy" as well, try to think first like what Red_Key's said about their perspective and such. You classify Shinji as disgusting yet I bet you'll get the same reaction as Shinji if you take Shinji's place? Then you classify yourself too as disgusting. Shinji is extremely disgusting character. i actually have tried to watch End of Evangelion twice but always i close it soon. he is a loser character really. easily the most annoying character i know. lol. No i don't think anyone would act like shinji. i don't mean just piloting. |
Aug 1, 2013 5:45 AM
#117
Aerostar said: No i don't think anyone would act like shinji. i don't mean just piloting. I'm quite sure any normal highschool boy would piss his pants the moment he sees one of those monsters in NGE. Anyone who wouldn't is a weirdo. |
Aug 1, 2013 5:51 AM
#118
yhunata said: Don't forget that most of us are not what is considered normal. Normal is a stupid word anyway.Aerostar said: No i don't think anyone would act like shinji. i don't mean just piloting. I'm quite sure any normal highschool boy would piss his pants the moment he sees one of those monsters in NGE. Anyone who wouldn't is a weirdo. |
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Aug 1, 2013 6:15 AM
#119
Well yes, I hate wimpy leads (be it male or female) but I'd give them some space to find out why they're being wimpy. If it's just a lack of the good old brawn, then, too bad. As for this Shinji sucks argument. Really people, I don't think anyone watched NGE for Shinji. I mean let's admit it, he really wasn't there all that much was he? |
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Aug 1, 2013 6:26 AM
#120
HHHHHH......The minute i saw words "wimpy" and "male" i knew that there was going to be some sort of debate about Shinji. I bet that everyone who has made this type of thread must have had "Shinji Ikari" in their minds. :/ Also, there are two sides in this argument than can be summed up: -The one's who like realistic, flawed characters. -And those who like more those power-fantasy characters that are perfect in every way. |
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Aug 1, 2013 6:34 AM
#121
EVAMAAKU14 said: HHHHHH......The second i saw words "wimpy" and "male" i knew that there was going to be some sort of debate about Shinji. I bet that everyone who has made this type of thread must have had "Shinji Ikari" in their minds. :/ Also, there are two sides in this argument can be summed up: -The one's who like realistic, flawed characters. -And those who like more those power-fantasy characters that are perfect in every way. To be frank I thought of Amano Yukiteru . Well , nonetheless , they are annoying but my sister , my mother and my father annoy me alot but I dont hate someone or a character for being annoying . Most of people here are idealists ..... they cant accept anything but X or anything but Y . "Oh noes a male is doing dishes , washes the laundry and cooks what lame he is ..... that's a womans job". That's exactly how this thread sounds . |
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Aug 1, 2013 7:13 AM
#122
Yes,especially when they have a harem of four or five hot chicks and haven't done shit to deserve it. |
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Aug 1, 2013 8:33 AM
#123
It depends... I hated the little bitch from Mirai Nikki, but I didn't mind Shu from Guilty Crown or Shinji from NGE. |
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Aug 1, 2013 8:44 AM
#124
Diran-kun said: yhunata said: Don't forget that most of us are not what is considered normal. Normal is a stupid word anyway.Aerostar said: No i don't think anyone would act like shinji. i don't mean just piloting. I'm quite sure any normal highschool boy would piss his pants the moment he sees one of those monsters in NGE. Anyone who wouldn't is a weirdo. Lol stop overestimating yourself. Would you be scared shitless if you were in Shinji place? Yes. But will you adapt to your situation unlike Shinji ? Yes. |
Aug 2, 2013 9:11 PM
#125
Yea Yukiteru from Mirai Nikki pissed me off when he would just stand by in shock or horror whenever something happens although I can't say I would act any different if I were in his situation. |
Aug 2, 2013 9:23 PM
#126
tsudecimo said: Would you be scared shitless if you were in Shinji place? Yes. But will you adapt to your situation unlike Shinji ? Yes. I think you meant no for the second question. |
Aug 2, 2013 9:31 PM
#127
I don't see how. I literally facepalmed when I saw Shinji doing the same shit he always does in the original tv series when I watched EoE. Was Shinji even a developed character by the end of it? all that focus on him, yet no development. |
Aug 2, 2013 9:34 PM
#128
tsudecimo said: I don't see how. I literally facepalmed when I saw Shinji doing the same shit he always does in the original tv series when I watched EoE. Was Shinji even a developed character by the end of it? all that focus on him, yet no development. Ye, he learnt how to crap his pants. |
Aug 2, 2013 9:37 PM
#129
Depends on why they are wimpy. If they have legitimate trauma, like Shinji from EVA for example, then I am fine. But if it is like Yukki from Mirai Nikki, then I fucking hate them, or Armin from AoT. |
Aug 2, 2013 9:40 PM
#130
PoeticJustice said: Depends on why they are wimpy. If they have legitimate trauma, like Shinji from EVA for example, then I am fine. But if it is like Yukki from Mirai Nikki, then I fucking hate them, or Armin from AoT. Elaborate ? |
Aug 2, 2013 9:41 PM
#131
tsudecimo said: PoeticJustice said: Depends on why they are wimpy. If they have legitimate trauma, like Shinji from EVA for example, then I am fine. But if it is like Yukki from Mirai Nikki, then I fucking hate them, or Armin from AoT. Elaborate ? Yukki is a little boy who never dropped his balls. |
Aug 2, 2013 9:42 PM
#132
Aug 2, 2013 9:49 PM
#133
tsudecimo said: PoeticJustice said: Depends on why they are wimpy. If they have legitimate trauma, like Shinji from EVA for example, then I am fine. But if it is like Yukki from Mirai Nikki, then I fucking hate them, or Armin from AoT. Elaborate ? When I say legitimate trauma, I mean reasons that adequately explain why they behave the way they do. Yukki, from the beginning was a coward, bullying was never mentioned. The only thing even slightly traumatic was his parents divorce and that isn't even close to what the rest of the cast had to go through. Sure, it is understandable why he was scared, but his behaviors are inconsistent and irrational. They don't match up with his character. He toughens up a bit in the middle, regresses, and then balls up again. |
Aug 2, 2013 9:54 PM
#134
tsudecimo said: I don't see how. I literally facepalmed when I saw Shinji doing the same shit he always does in the original tv series when I watched EoE. Was Shinji even a developed character by the end of it? all that focus on him, yet no development. That was the point. People don't always over come their problems easily. In some instances they fail and fail again and maybe they never are able to overcome their trauma. Shinji is especially vulnerable being a 14 year old kid who is also coming to terms with his sexuality, along with his daddy issues and inferiority complex. Now, maybe it's not compelling TV to you to see stuff like this. But, I can say that he is a perfectly easy to relate character for me and, I would imagine, others out there. That said, I feel like Shinji does overcome his issues. It just takes the full series for this to happen, which imo is what makes the Congratulations/instrumentality scenes so powerful. |
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Aug 3, 2013 2:47 AM
#135
PoeticJustice said: tsudecimo said: PoeticJustice said: Depends on why they are wimpy. If they have legitimate trauma, like Shinji from EVA for example, then I am fine. But if it is like Yukki from Mirai Nikki, then I fucking hate them, or Armin from AoT. Elaborate ? When I say legitimate trauma, I mean reasons that adequately explain why they behave the way they do. Yukki, from the beginning was a coward, bullying was never mentioned. The only thing even slightly traumatic was his parents divorce and that isn't even close to what the rest of the cast had to go through. Sure, it is understandable why he was scared, but his behaviors are inconsistent and irrational. They don't match up with his character. He toughens up a bit in the middle, regresses, and then balls up again. You dont need a trauma to be like that . Bullying never mentioned ? What the heck Kousaka represented for Yuki ? Remember the scene where Kousaka approaches Yuki after exam? You dont understand Yuki yet you understand Shinji and you defend him and yet you argue about someone you dont understand ? Sorry , but you left me speechless. |
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Aug 3, 2013 2:55 AM
#136
I'm going to kill anyone who mentioned Shinji. Of course you wouldn't bat an eye if one of your only friends exploded right in front you. It wouldn't upset you either if you were tricked into nearly killing your friend. You try your best to save the world and all you get is shit thrown all over you. You wake up 14 years later only to find a choker around your neck, ready to kill you anytime. Talk about being grateful! People like Misato keep telling you it's totally up to you to pilot or not when 'no' obviously isn't an option. Wouldn't that make you a psychopath though, if you lack empathy? |
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Aug 3, 2013 2:56 AM
#137
Absolutely, unless they somehow prove themself by the end of the show hoho |
Aug 3, 2013 3:12 AM
#138
I don't hate unless there's a legit reason to be hated for. |
Aug 3, 2013 3:17 AM
#139
Okeay I'm getting a bit irritated now about this kind of threads. We all know its about Evangelion and Mirai nikki again. Well i tell you this what if it was some macho guy instead of a winy guy. Totally would not fit the anime. Those anime just needed those kind of character to make it work. |
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Aug 3, 2013 7:14 AM
#140
One has to understand that Shinji is 13 years old, with daddy issues, experienced his friends almost die, has some serious social issues, and has pretty much really horrible circumstances placed on him. I personally like wimpy main characters. |
Aug 3, 2013 7:22 AM
#141
I usually like them. |
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Aug 4, 2013 7:20 PM
#142
Renton in Eureka 7... ugh... Don't get me wrong, he played his role in the story well. It's just that there are so many times I wanted to cut him. |
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Aug 4, 2013 7:36 PM
#143
To be honest, no. They're a lot more relatable than characters that handle every problem thrown at them perfectly. An example of this would be Yukki from Mirai Nikki- everyone complains about how weak he is but that's exactly how any normal person would act in that situation, and that's why I'm a big fan of his. I like characters that are a little vulnerable as opposed to perfect. |
Aug 4, 2013 7:45 PM
#144
Aug 4, 2013 7:46 PM
#145
It depends. In the case of Shinji from Evangelion I was OK with him being wimpy and running because the situation kind of warranted it. He didn't really have friends or a family and he was in a hell of a confusing/mentally scaring situation. In the case of Renton Thurston, man up. Sure Renton went through a lot of traumatic stuff but at the end of the day you have a girl who loves you, a loving grandfather, and a ton of friends aboard the Gekko. Yet he sheds tears when he can't pass a soccer ball. In short, it's all situational. |
Aug 4, 2013 7:47 PM
#146
I don't care because I look at girls more than boys. |
Aug 5, 2013 3:17 AM
#147
It really depends on how they're written. |
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Aug 5, 2013 6:49 AM
#148
No. Why should I be? Every male lead being a superhero would get stale. |
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