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Apr 23, 2021 2:23 AM
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quiestmoi said:
Criticiza said:
I can't agree more with that, I have no idea what's going on at points but the animation was hella slick


Okay actually I was hoping other people felt the same about this šŸ˜… sure it’s somewhat entrancing to be able to conjure your own thoughts and conclusions about motives, etc. but I feel it’s getting to the point where there are so many layers being added without supplement that it’s quite difficult to follow everyone’s intentions especially relative to the main plot
At first I was confused too, but I went for a walk and had a think about it. There were signs, that they probably should have developed further.

We knew she/he/they were a traitor from the previous episode. This episode when they outright betrayed the organisation, there was a moment when they coulda killed the spy leader guy, but didn't. I think this was meant to foreshadow that they were in fact not fully allied with Janome. However it just wasn't enough, and to top it off, the time frame was just too short. Most people watching had only just accepted that they were a villain, and then all of a sudden they had switched back.

Overall the show still has potential, and it should pick up once the character motivations are straightened out.

This is giving me a very similar feeling to Mars Red, which had a 10/10 first episode, and then the next two just kinda felt 7-8/10. I'm hoping both pick up as the season goes on
Apr 23, 2021 4:59 AM
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so just like that janome is dead??? no way somethings def gonna happen soon, the animations of the blue smoke and skull is SOOOO mf good tho wtf, still like this anime a lot, hope more stuff happens. loved when sawa screamed JANOMEEEE and then got beat the fuck up by him lolll

also that dude who secretly has boobs (tsuki..something something double spy guy)l, i need to know what’s up with him. he’s such an interesting character
Apr 23, 2021 9:39 AM

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FMmatron said:
When you instinctively turn your brain off, then you know a show is ass.


I'm glad I'm not the only one this happened to. I was just staring at the words and spacing out.
Apr 23, 2021 10:45 AM

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This was very fast paced. It also felt like I was watching an episode which was supposed to be the second last episode. I guess they want to focus more on the life of Sawa after she finished taking revenge. Since her whole reason for living was to take revenge what is she going to live for now.

What's up with the freedom that Tsukishiro mentioned. Sometimes they seem to be nice but later they act the bad guy...

Even Jin and Elena seems suspicious.
Apr 23, 2021 9:01 PM

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I am severly doubting the minds of people who think this shows is confusing. The only way it would be simpler is if the characters said what they were doing while doing it. Do people just don't think about what they watch anymore? I've noticed this a lot lately: if it's not explained in detail, people say it's confusing. Pay attention, and think. It's not that hard. This show is a prime example.
Apr 24, 2021 1:32 AM

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i really thought the fight with janome will be at the end of the season as the final fight, I wonder what will happen now since we still have 2/3 left
Apr 24, 2021 6:46 AM

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She was very easily to caught... Lol
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Apr 24, 2021 6:58 AM

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DmonHiro said:
I am severly doubting the minds of people who think this shows is confusing. The only way it would be simpler is if the characters said what they were doing while doing it. Do people just don't think about what they watch anymore? I've noticed this a lot lately: if it's not explained in detail, people say it's confusing. Pay attention, and think. It's not that hard. This show is a prime example.

This.

Honestly, I think people who don't understand that there is still a story to develop have reduced cognitive ability, since they clung to the question of revenge as if it were the only plot point, being unable to pay attention to more than one.

It is very clear that there is still a whole conspiracy issue involving the government and the organization that Sawa belongs to. I can even see an internal conflict of the protagonist happening, since she will probably question herself about her own motivations to continue living, after all, until then, she based her whole life on a revenge that finally she finally got.

I think it all has to do with the pacing of this series. Nowadays, anime has such a slow pace that anything faster confuses the audience.
Apr 24, 2021 10:06 AM

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Villain has snakes na eerie music? CHeck.
"The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there."

"Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life."
Apr 25, 2021 1:26 AM
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I love how Sawa finally break her tough exterior.. her long lost brother is still alive only to get "killed" again by the end of this episode.
I think her revenge plot was concluded a bit too early but isn't that means that this anime's story harder to guess? Just three episode with fast pacing story and this anime already answered a lot. Still waiting for next one hehe
Apr 26, 2021 12:31 PM
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Criticiza said:
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So the lord voldemort wanted the main chick's blood because he can't replicate it properly (even tho he had all this time main's girls brother to use for his experiments ?), to "help the country" as it is usual motive with villians like this ...

And the dude, who was actually a chick was a double spy all this time becasue ? something ? Hmm .. this episode was kinda all animation and nothing more. Im kinda missing motives of some characters.
I can't agree more with that, I have no idea what's going on at points but the animation was hella slick


YEah the show is beautiful but the story is kind of nonsense. Like did the double crosser never noticed the people strung from the ceiling??? Ever? So little of this makes sense to me.
Apr 26, 2021 6:02 PM
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I'mma be straight-up - this 4-episode arc has been a maddeningly fun time to watch. Every character knows the motivations and actions of every other character and the audience never does, and that's made it a rollercoaster to see week-to-week. It's tropey, and the pacing is lightning-quick, but this anime is a blast to watch. The characters have all been enjoyably cheesy so far, and there's a lot of heart to be found between the main cast whenever they're on-screen together. I especially like the morally grey Tsukishiro, who seems to be playing for her own side at any given time.

One of the many highlights of a stacked season of anime. Absolute joyride.
May 6, 2021 7:27 PM

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This show has been straight ass so far. The only redeeming quality is the art. What a snooze-fest of boring characters I do not care at all about, convoluted plot, and poor pacing. It truly can only go up from here, hope it redeems itself soon.
Jun 9, 2021 10:44 AM
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So she got her revenge... of course it wasn't "happy ending" and the brother had to die, but it's still better than nothing, even though it's only 1/4 of the anime and her goal is already completed hmmm
Jun 9, 2021 10:57 AM

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Swagernator said:
So the lord voldemort wanted the main chick's blood because he can't replicate it properly (even tho he had all this time main's girls brother to use for his experiments ?), to "help the country" as it is usual motive with villians like this ...

And the dude, who was actually a chick was a double spy all this time becasue ? something ? Hmm .. this episode was kinda all animation and nothing more. Im kinda missing motives of some characters.


I think Tsukishiro's motive was simply to live according to his own will, and the reason he loved Sawa was that he saw her devotion to her vengeance as a "pure" form of this.

Also remember that he frequently talked about how everyone had to "play their part," which considering he was born with female features, but felt he was a man, seems to imply that there's some extent to which this isn't about "fate" or "circumstances of birth" for him. Sawa deep down really, I think, always wanted to live the kind of life she has with Asahi, a simple domestic situation with love and family. In that way her character is really unlike the typical cold blooded vengeance machine who once they get their revenge seems like a hollow person. That identity was just a mask that Sawa needed to put on to move forward, but Tsukishiro wanted that Sawa to be the real Sawa. So I don't think Tsukihiro really had any allegiance to either side, so much as he was trying to manipulate the events so that he and Sawa were both "characters" he felt they should be, especially Sawa.

I do think his character was kind of a weird overcomplicated inclusion, and kind of annoying... but I guess he helped move the plot forward and bring some of the mystery to light.
Jun 16, 2021 11:57 AM

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(English) Congratulations Jouran, you brought up a problem and it's making me scared about the continuity of the story. Unfortunately what happened in this episode was something to be expected. Sawa has defeated Janome and his revenge is complete. She is reunited with her brother, but ends up in a decision between saving him or saving Asahi. It's an episode that would have ended well Jouran if it were the final moment of the show, but unfortunately that didn't happen. It seems that the script needed to vilify a moment in history to continue. Let's see if the rest will convince.

(Portuguese/Português) Parabéns Jouran, você evidenciou um problema e me está dando medo sobre a contunuidade da história. Infelizmente o que aconteceu nesse episódio era algo esperado. Sawa derrotou Janome e está com sua vingança concluída. Ela reencontrou seu irmão, mas termina numa decisão entre salvá-lo ou salvar Asahi. É um episódio que concluiria bem Jouran, se fosse o momento final do show, mas infelizmente isso não ocorreu. Parece que o roteiro precisou vilanizar um momento da história para continuar. Vamos ver se o restante vai convencer.
Jun 30, 2021 4:28 AM

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I don't think there was ever really a choice for Sawa between saving her brother or Asahi. Her brother was like minutes away from death and nothing could be done for him at that point (blind, feeling almost no heat despite the room being hot enough for metal to literally melt). You could argue the only choice was between saving Asahi or leaving her behind.

As for Janome, he wasn't that interesting a character; the "mad scientist who wants power" archetype has been done to death and he doesn't have much of a personality. Judging by how soon he died, it's clear that he isn't the final boss, more of a lackey among many.

The supernatural battles are, oddly enough, the least interesting part of this show to me. The blue flame and bone effects are pretty interesting but the Janome battle wasn't that visually appealing with the green-cyan-magenta color scheme, and Janome himself just seemed to freeze up and accept it when Sawa got close to him. It's much more interesting when Sawa fights in "human" mode, and her shoujo transformation is getting kinda tiresome to watch.
Jul 2, 2021 10:34 AM

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Such a lackluster villain.
Jul 27, 2021 8:51 PM
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This show is so visually pleasing, but I really don't care for any of the characters. It's so cliché revenge blah blah femme fatal, skinny smart boy.
Aug 5, 2021 4:48 AM

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Didn't expect Tsukishiro to be a double spy and even more on Janome already being defeated so early in the series. Well at least Asahi got saved, too bad about Sawa's brother though.
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Sep 28, 2021 3:52 AM

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Just what the heck is happening, a final boss comes to early. Big kusa.
Oct 22, 2021 9:54 PM
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Huh.
This is all? What will happen after this?
I hope it's not some kind of lousy filler.

Even so, I liked that palette very much.
Dec 17, 2021 2:18 PM
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another decent episode

May 12, 2022 5:04 AM

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This girl is moaning so much istg
"......If I told you that I was a real witch, would you believe it?"


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