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Apr 20, 2021 9:27 AM
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Damn, Sawa faced with a very difficult decision...to save a girl or continue her vengeance of revenge.

I do find it how scary their world is. Anyone can be taken by a monster at almost any time. The guy that killed Sawa's family has such twisted ambitions tbh. This turned into quite an emotional episode..Sawa has gone through too much shit in her life.

This anime is just full of tragedy.
Apr 20, 2021 9:27 AM
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Things are about to get more deadly for Sawa and the kidnapped Asahi, and Nue leader Jin Kuzuhara knows the risks well, but fails to secure her in the midst of getting trapped and taken away by the two-faced Nue-Janome spy Makoto who has an "electronic" sword for a weapon.

Janome's HQ looked something outta Star Wars with the whole "lightsaber" lighting ambiance, while Sawa's blue blood is extracted for Janome to create the perfect replica of his experiments, one that's long desired from the Karasumori Clan.

The decent fighting action reminds me a lot of the snake battle in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, with Bakken Record's stylistic art to top up for the lack of animation. Revenge is served, and still Sawa's brother has to pass.

HMM...if this is the case, then what's the story thereafter? I have no idea since this is made original, have to see next week to find out what's cooking.
Apr 20, 2021 9:31 AM
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So the lord voldemort wanted the main chick's blood because he can't replicate it properly (even tho he had all this time main's girls brother to use for his experiments ?), to "help the country" as it is usual motive with villians like this ...

And the dude, who was actually a chick was a double spy all this time becasue ? something ? Hmm .. this episode was kinda all animation and nothing more. Im kinda missing motives of some characters.
Apr 20, 2021 9:53 AM
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Swagernator said:
So the lord voldemort wanted the main chick's blood because he can't replicate it properly (even tho he had all this time main's girls brother to use for his experiments ?), to "help the country" as it is usual motive with villians like this ...

And the dude, who was actually a chick was a double spy all this time becasue ? something ? Hmm .. this episode was kinda all animation and nothing more. Im kinda missing motives of some characters.
I can't agree more with that, I have no idea what's going on at points but the animation was hella slick
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Apr 20, 2021 9:58 AM
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Criticiza said:
Swagernator said:
So the lord voldemort wanted the main chick's blood because he can't replicate it properly (even tho he had all this time main's girls brother to use for his experiments ?), to "help the country" as it is usual motive with villians like this ...

And the dude, who was actually a chick was a double spy all this time becasue ? something ? Hmm .. this episode was kinda all animation and nothing more. Im kinda missing motives of some characters.
I can't agree more with that, I have no idea what's going on at points but the animation was hella slick


Okay actually I was hoping other people felt the same about this 😅 sure it’s somewhat entrancing to be able to conjure your own thoughts and conclusions about motives, etc. but I feel it’s getting to the point where there are so many layers being added without supplement that it’s quite difficult to follow everyone’s intentions especially relative to the main plot
Apr 20, 2021 9:59 AM
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Apr 20, 2021 10:00 AM
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quiestmoi said:
Criticiza said:
I can't agree more with that, I have no idea what's going on at points but the animation was hella slick


Okay actually I was hoping other people felt the same about this 😅 sure it’s somewhat entrancing to be able to conjure your own thoughts and conclusions about motives, etc. but I feel it’s getting to the point where there are so many layers being added without supplement that it’s quite difficult to follow everyone’s intentions especially relative to the main plot
For sure, its getting convoluted without some actual explanation to it. It's like a Christopher Nolan movie but with half of it cut off so I'm left there thinking what just happened. On the plus side at least I can enjoy the art without the story being in the way xD
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Apr 20, 2021 10:03 AM
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Sawa completes her revenge, but closure doesn't await her. She must choose between to die with her clan, or to live on for her brother and to save Asahi.

"You... should live".
Apr 20, 2021 10:07 AM
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When you instinctively turn your brain off, then you know a show is ass.
For sure, kinda felt myself in a lull when watching it and found ti hard to focus since it was so confusing lol
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Apr 20, 2021 10:08 AM

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wooow!! So..... Has Janome gone for good? In my opinion, it's too fast for him to die, he could even be the last boss. Anyways, the rest of this series looks very interesting to me right now. I've wondered what will happen next.

Swagernator said:
So the lord voldemort wanted the main chick's blood because he can't replicate it properly (even tho he had all this time main's girls brother to use for his experiments ?), to "help the country" as it is usual motive with villians like this ...

And the dude, who was actually a chick was a double spy all this time becasue ? something ? Hmm .. this episode was kinda all animation and nothing more. Im kinda missing motives of some characters.


Tsukishima could be a double spy. But, in my opinion, she just doing what she wants actually doesn't belong to anyone. If that faction can give her benefit or have the same ideology she will stay with them, but if there have a conflict or disagreement she just betrays them.
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Apr 20, 2021 10:10 AM

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I’m still a bit confused on the blue blood Janome set up. It’s not nearly as bad as some people on MAL making it out to be. It’s a bit confusing, but I’m still largely able to follow along.

Today episode was really dope animation wise. Sawa gets her revenge, but it’s still not enough. You cut off the head of a snake and another grows and replaces it. Wish she could’ve saved her brother, but she’s got Asahi to live for. Can’t wait to see where this goes from here.
Apr 20, 2021 10:39 AM

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That one chick keeps betraying people and it doesn’t even mean anything to me. The same could be said for everything in this anime. I am not invested, but I can still watch it pretty easily.

Janome had some interesting motives, but he was killed before we could really learn why he held them.

The fight was solid, although I am still disappointed in how lackluster Yuki’s abilities are when she transforms.
Apr 20, 2021 10:52 AM

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Jfc. What a tense episode from start to finish. Now with that done, I do wonder where we are going to go next.
Apr 20, 2021 11:00 AM

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Where will the show go if Sawa has already had revenge?
Apr 20, 2021 11:03 AM

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Janome kept Sawa's brother alive and kept taking blood from him to do research, that was cruel. Thou Sawa finally killed him and took her revenge. I wonder which direction the story will go from here now that Janome's dead unless ofc he isn't dead or maybe he wasn't the true villain.
Apr 20, 2021 11:26 AM

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Didn't expect them to end the Janome plot already. (And weird how the other guy changed sides again and helped Sawa.) Looking forward to see what is going to happen next.
Apr 20, 2021 12:58 PM

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With the help of her big brother, Sawa was able to take revenge on Janome. Me question is now, what’s going to happen now?
Apr 20, 2021 1:40 PM
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She got her revenge Now what?
Apr 20, 2021 1:59 PM

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Are they playing Mad Libs with the script? What is this even about anymore?
I don't know why, but the note tied around Sawa's flip flop was funnier than it should have been.

Tired of turning my volume all the way up just to hear Jin's voice. Mumbling mfer.
Not even Jerome (not a typo) could save this. But I'm totally up for more limb eating snakes. That was awesome.
And not just because Tsuki annoys the hell out of me.
Apr 20, 2021 2:10 PM

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Ok, I'll go along with it, this show balances in a weird limbo...sometimes I think that it goes north but it quickly goes south. Well, it has certainly picked my interest in some respect, since initially I came here expecting a stoic silent Death God Yukionna main, but got a quite talkative young lady.


Also, people, don't write reviews about the story and characters with only one month into the series, give it a rest. It really is weird seeing reviews about something you clearly have no idea if it will evolve to have a good (to decent) story.
Apr 20, 2021 2:13 PM

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Tired of turning my volume all the way up just to hear Jin's voice. Mumbling mfer.


He was recording with a face mask, and trying to apply social distancing, even from the mic

Apr 20, 2021 4:03 PM
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Sawa finally got revenge, but it won't give her any closure. As long she is alive there will always be some after her because of her blue blood. The question how is she going to move on from this and what is she going to do with Asahi. I didn't expect Tsukishima to be a double agent, but I'm curious to see where the story goes from here.
Apr 20, 2021 4:29 PM

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Everything in this show is a laughing stock. It’s definitely one of those “it’s so bad it’s funny shows.” At least I get enjoyment out of this one, unlike a certain other anime airing this season.
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Apr 20, 2021 4:52 PM
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A the fight had a lot of prominence in Yukimura with their desire for revenge I really liked that in the episode, after all it was a good fight.
Apr 20, 2021 5:13 PM
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I just wish that MCs would stop acting stupid by trusting the words of their sworn enemy. Moreso one who has already shown to be untrustworthy in all regards.

"Stop your lifelong revenge, stay and be my slave, I'll save xyz's life, you can trust me even though I killed everyone in your village except you, and I'm actively working as a terrorist leader to bring down the Gov"


Rrrrriiiight, last I remember the title wasn't Dudley Do Right...
Apr 20, 2021 5:16 PM

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Like many around here, I don't understand what is happening, I mean, did Jerome die so fast?

Another thing, although neither Jin nor Elena could enter the building because they "were going to melt", and that then Sawa would be fine because she is a supernatural being, what do they tell me about Asahi? ... If she doesn't get hurt badly from there, or it is not from the Sawa clan and therefore "resists" the flames, I think I'm going to leave this anime, there are many loose ends

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Apr 20, 2021 5:51 PM
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It's like the people behind this think the only way to tell a story is through convoluted narratives and plot twists.

When her brother tells her not to die, I asked myself why. From the standpoint of the show so far, Sawa's, and by proxy Asahi's story and motivations have been completed. Sawa got her revenge, and so now, according to her logic, Asahi can get her's. In a much better show, their relationship wold have been more complex and we would have seen more time spent between them outside of talk of revenge and killing. But, here? Why not just let her die when the story set up for her is completed?
Apr 20, 2021 6:27 PM

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Well she got her revenge pretty fast...4 episodes in and 8 left.
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Apr 20, 2021 6:43 PM

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That double agent thing was kind of confusing. It seemed rather abrupt. The being a double agent for the villain was handled fairly well but double crossing the villain suddenly was weird.

Wonder where this anime is headed now since the main plot has kind of concluded already.
Apr 20, 2021 7:24 PM

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Really cool how this show has improved in direction and animation. 2 great episode in a row to put end the starting revenge plot, now the doble agent maybe be the villain or Tokugawa himself. I don't think this take the route of explore the post revenge period and the searching of porpose.
But I really want to see what next
Apr 20, 2021 9:38 PM

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FMmatron said:
When you instinctively turn your brain off, then you know a show is ass.
Why turn off your brain? Nothing particularly wrong with the plot thus far
Apr 20, 2021 9:55 PM

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Also, people, don't write reviews about the story and characters with only one month into the series, give it a rest. It really is weird seeing reviews about something you clearly have no idea if it will evolve to have a good (to decent) story.

I agree that it's silly but you should really be addressing MAL. It's their design that allows early reviews and then indirectly encourages them by putting the reviews with the most up-votes at the top -- those just happen to be the ones that were out longer. I'd welcome a more sane system that measures a reviews quality. My policy is to ignore them by my no-vote has zero impact.
Apr 20, 2021 10:59 PM

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Lol, is good that her revenge didnt eent through all the serie, was saying book 1, means now we will go into book 2 or so
Please do not forget the red hair chick that appeared too
I like how ppl just dive in conclusion like they know all
Chill ppl, are still 8 eps left and a lot to come
Is time to see a development in characters too
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Apr 21, 2021 4:27 AM

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Kind of a weird episode on an overall story front that mostly make me wonder what exactly the show is going to do from here. She kills the big bad and brings basically every major plot thread to this point to a close, leaving just the sort of random setting stuff lingering. On top of that, it ends with her realizing maybe she needs to keep taking care of the kid, but not the actual satisfying emotional moment where she actually does that, showing the finality and closure.

This is in addition to the usual janky moments of writing in the episode, featuring bomb dogs, turning into a giant snake (literally never helps), dumping her on the floor while unconscious just so you can invite her to shackle herself, and the shocking reveal that… some dude is still alive. Apparently it's her brother? Have we even seen this dude to this point? Were we really supposed to recognize him? Thought for a bit that he was being set up to be the new big bad out of craziness and also give her a new quest, but he just tosses a shockingly explosive vial and then milks the death scene.

But it was more back to the action side, didn't rant or exposit at length over the double cross or even disarmament of lightsaber girl, and wasn't a bad episode overall. It was just a really unsatisfactory ending to this opening arc that also didn't give any kind of direction as to where the story or characters will be going from here.
Apr 21, 2021 4:43 AM

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FMmatron said:
When you instinctively turn your brain off, then you know a show is ass.


It just seems to be doing to0o much and too little at the same time...
Apr 21, 2021 6:45 AM
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Wow did they mess up the order of the episodes? This felt like a final ep

Pretty great stuff, I was a 100% sure they would pull the usual sht that main villain and mc are meeting early in the series, main villain be like "my job here is done" and flies away... Then they fight again in the final ep.

Anyways I really appreciate an anime that can surprise me, apparently it is not just a simple revenge story.
Apr 21, 2021 6:54 AM

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I thought Janome would be the main antagonist of the whole show, I guess he's just the main antagonist for this arc. Honestly don't know what Yuki will do now, except maybe take care of Asahi. The fight itself was great though, the art and animation was pretty solid.

Tsukishiro definitely took off with the blood samples, wonder what he'll do with them. I think Tsukishiro doesn't have any allegiances, her only allegiance is herself lmao. But, she did help Yuki so I don't think she's evil or anything, just idealistic. Damn, how many years has Yuki's brother been there. Well, honestly don't really know what's gonna happen next so, I'm looking forward to that.
Apr 21, 2021 1:23 PM
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So the lord voldemort wanted the main chick's blood because he can't replicate it properly (even tho he had all this time main's girls brother to use for his experiments ?), to "help the country" as it is usual motive with villians like this ...

And the dude, who was actually a chick was a double spy all this time becasue ? something ? Hmm .. this episode was kinda all animation and nothing more. Im kinda missing motives of some characters.
the dude who's a chick did say that she just wanted the main girl to get freed from her burdens. But damn was this episode all over the place the direction was not it chief.
Apr 21, 2021 4:12 PM

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I like the anime but it's starting to feel like a michael bay creation. With all the awesome fight scenes,effects and visuals at some point it needs to have substance and a coherent plot. I'm hoping for some backstories for the rest of the cast in the following episodes and probably a huge exposition so I can grasp what the fuck is really going on because I'm confused in a good entertained way.
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Apr 21, 2021 5:36 PM

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I guess this episode concludes the first ''book'' and from the next episode bigger troubles will arise for Sawa.
Could the sitting shogun, a character yet to be shown but apparently despised by many, be Sawa's next target?
Apr 21, 2021 7:44 PM

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I felt like we went from episode 3 to 11 with nothing in between.
Apr 21, 2021 10:10 PM

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Janome really ded? well that was fast...
4/5.


Apr 21, 2021 11:39 PM
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I feel genuinely lost with this episode. I have a few questions like why did orochimaru 2.0 want Sawa when he already had her brother? What exactly even was the reason for revealing the double agent's gender and acting like it was a big deal? Why did they even become a double agent? Also how did the brother even know that the two viles kept on the table would help destroy orochimaru 2.0???

The animation was good in this episode but everything else was just so fast paced and weird that I couldn't help but laugh towards the end.
Apr 22, 2021 4:28 AM
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I tried to give this anime a shot bc the first episode was amazing , the animation is beautiful and I like the op. but EP 3& 4 are just really bad imo. like I even felt like a sense of " oh I have to watch this" as if it were a task. and I wanted to give it a chance because it sounds like it could be interesting, but it's just trying so hard to be something that it is completely missing the mark. like I wanna like the MC but are you kidding me?? that fight with the snake guy?? what the heck was that? like it was so pathetic and then all of a sudden she's up and at em?? like it didn't make sense. and don't get me wrong I understand that like not every MC can win and they'll get hurt yada yada yada but it just made no sense whatsoever and honestly was a diservice towards the MC. like she's supposed to be a baddie and yet she was flailing around barely getting any shots in until other characters have her some help??? like excuse me, it just feels like the fight should've been reversed. It's genuinely trying so hard to to so many things and it's just so confusing and doesn't have any substance. like I thought that this was going to be like guy wrenching with lots of moral dilemmas and tragedy but instead we get characters with zero development and zero personality doing random things for what?

Apr 22, 2021 6:19 AM

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Although there are some flaws in this show, this was a good episode, i dig this animation as well. I didn't enjoy how the fight went at all, she has trained ber whole life for this and thats how it went? Idk something is missing there.
It felt like the last episode tbh but i guess its just the end of"chapter 1" like they mention on the beggining of each episode. I don't know why that didn't cross my mind before but it makes a lot of sense that his brother has been feeding janome with his blood for long years. Welp she got her revenge and now what? She can't end all of this and die because she has got a kid to save. Well lets see where this goes next week..
Apr 22, 2021 7:34 AM

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Little Sawa was so cute. Well, that episode was pretty interesting. Sawa got the revenge she was looking for. Janome is also dead and Asahi is also safe. Too bad Sawa's brother will not be able to survive.
Apr 22, 2021 9:47 AM

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Is so sort battle but so intense fight battle between Sawa and Janome. I'm kidda disappointed for that, but the plot and some surprises makes it more better than that.

And again wait for another week to the unknown plot.



Apr 22, 2021 3:02 PM
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Amazing episode!! Sawa faces janome and fought him bravely..the actions were sugoi! and the animation is great like always....hope to get better storyline in the next episode❣️
Apr 22, 2021 8:12 PM
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Sawa was basically an idiot in her choices in this episode.

1. Become a captive and donate blood to Mr Bad Guy who killed your village. Meanwhile baby girl becomes a captive and gets bad things done to her.

OR

2. Kill Mr Bad Guy before he becomes all empowered. That gets your village revenge done. Meanwhile baby girl probably gets smashed by the snakes....the same baby girl you planned to kill anyway earlier in the series. The same baby girl that wanted (and tried) to kill you earlier in the series.

Hmmmm.....one way you get revenge and Mr Bad is dead. Baby girl is spared a nasty existance as a captive of the madman. The other way nothing gets done and you aid Mr Bad in his world domination. Not a hard choice in that moment.
Apr 22, 2021 10:12 PM
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After this episode I feel everything is all over the place. Sawa easily giving up in front of the man who killed her family. Makoto betrayal and not killing Jin then later helping Sawa in a way? Furthermore, Makoto never seeing someone being tied up above the organ, then all of a sudden helping Sawa like you've been working for this man all this time and not see a dude up there? Poorly written characters and Sawa getting her revenge felt anticlimactic imo. Only thing saving this anime is the animation.
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