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| @Modernoir , I was talking about Jotaro as main JoJo, so I had Part 3 in mind. In Part 4 he was alright, well balanced and even behave properly. Your arguments about Giorno are valid when we look at him only as a single character. He has his talents gained by living a deliquent live on the street (i.e. riding a car quite good) and he is Two biggest problems about Giorno which justify calling him as Gary Stu are: 1) his overpowered Stand that doesn't need Requiem to have abilities that are way too powerful (in "Vento Aureo" only King Crimson is more powerful, compared to non-Requiem Golden Experience); 2) I know he's DIO's son and such, but he acts as if he had 50:50 brain of Bruno and Diavolo in terms of planning and maturity. He can find calmly a way out of any troubles. Sure, he pays a price after he is wrong, but mostly after one mistake he succeedes anyway. These two elements combined make make me Giorno as Gary Stu-type of a character, however Jotaro is better in this "humble" cathegory in my oppinion. I wonder if you agree, @PedroBV96 . You wrote that you consider Giorno as more Gary Stu than Jotaro. I would like to know whether you agree with my arguments in favor of calling Giorno like that, while of course I see Jotaro as more Gary Stu. @JeXxTaR , |
| To be honest, this was kind of a bad episode. Animation seemed much worse than usual and almost nothing that happened made any sense. At least Giorno was cool. |
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| How much of my heart must this series so carefully destroy? T____T |
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| I am very confused as to what the fuck requiem is or doies... |
| Buccellati’s explanation on destroying Requiem was more comprehensible in the manga. He implied that KC didn’t completely destroy it not only because he’s busy with picking up the arrow, but also because he would like the chaos that SCR created to stay a bit longer. Somehow I found the lines in the anime a bit lacking. Maybe it’s just me. Anyways, the finale of part 5 has always been quite controversial. It’s very different from how Shounen usually concludes its final battle to an extent that it could be considered anti-climax. That being said, I’m glad that my anime-only friend enjoyed this ep quite much. Hopefully most anime onlies did too. Also glad that GER looked less creepier and more sick in the anime form. My boi Buccellati fought to the very last second for his beliefs. Now he can finally rest in peace with his soul ascending to heaven. The music was on point. I like how DP didn’t go too sensational on this scene just like how Buccellati himself thought of his fate. Instead of sadness, he felt revived & relieved that he completed what he needed to do. For me, meeting Buccellatti was kinda decreed by fate. During the airing of DiU, I got to know about All Star Battle and became very interested in the main characters of VA. I was favorably impressed by Sugiyama Noriaki-san’s fantastic performance of voice acting Buccellati’s battle cry. After struggling for a week whether I should start to read the manga, I finally decided to break my rule of not reading the manga before watching the anime of JOJO. And it kinda surprised me how fast I finished reading part 5. Even though I had already been spoiled of Buccellati’s death by ASB before starting the reading, it didn’t decrease my affection for him & the whole story at all. On the opposite, I kept feeling insecure that we might lose him at any time. When he was killed by KC in the middle of the story, I felt sad thinking that it was his last moment. So every scenes of him afterwards were gifts to me. I appreciated his stay with us till pretty much the end of the part. It may be easy to become fond of a character, but it’s hard to love them and even harder to adore & respect them at the same time. I’m amazed at how versatilely Buccellati uses his stand ability. I respect him for his noble character. And I adore him for being so selfless & true to his beliefs. He is, and will always be my most favorite character of all time! |
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| mess of an episode |
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| Aw I really liked Bucciarati and hoped he could see things through til the end. This is sad. |
OberonFelsach said: This is a problem with Part 5's ending in general. Nothing David Pro can do to fix it.this was somehow really boring. I can say that I enjoyed every single other episode more than this one. |
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Meritas said: OberonFelsach said: This is a problem with Part 5's ending in general. Nothing David Pro can do to fix it.this was somehow really boring. I can say that I enjoyed every single other episode more than this one. I didn't read the manga but I do believe you....nothing much can be done about it but also, it's not like I will condemn the whole show because of an underwhelming ending. I enjoyed this part a lot and to me JoJo is still the most entertaining franchise in anime. |
| Gold Experience Requiem possesses the arcane power of undoing its opponent's actions |
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| I am thoroughly confused as to how bucciaratti beat requiem; didn't seem to make any sense |
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Modernoir said: But he isn't a gary stu. He fails far too much to be one. Gold Experience is a very powerful Stand, sure, but it's not invincible. Do you not recall how absolutely powerless it was against White Album? There are plenty of moments where Gio can only prevail because he has to use his ability in conjunction with his teammates, I'd agree he was a gary stu if he won all his battles solo but GE is a support stand more than a powerhouse like Star Platinum. Seriously, in almost every fight Gio only wins through teamwork. That's why I see Jotaro as a true Gary Stu of JoJo. I wasn't the one claiming that Giorno is one, however I can understand why people might treat him as Gary Stu. That's why I wrote two biggest problems that I see in Giorno which may eventually lead some people to a conclusion that GioGio is a male Mary Sue of JoJo. Giorno has many traits that I would rather call as "overpowered" rather than Gary Stu-like. Like you said, his Stand despite having really strong powers, is mostly a support that co-operates with other, more offensive Stands that belong to other Giorno's friends. What's more, Giorno is wounded a lot and without his Stand he would've been already dead way before they made it to Colosseum in Rome. However his Stand, even as a support one, is overpowered and it can't by denied. It's basically boosted as hell Crazy Diamond that can do even more things than only healing others (i.e. turning items into plants or animals) and can affect its user, while Josuke couldn't use Crazy Diamond on himself. On this case we can find an explaination, like Giorno being DIO's son. DIO had a powerful stand, The World, and he was a superhuman (half-vampire zombie, whatever xD), therefore his son couldn't be a mere kid. By the time DIO impregnated Giorno's mother we can assume that he already was a Stand user, so that kind of power must've been transfered to Giorno. Jotaro, on the other hand, was only Joseph Joestar's grandson. His Stand was binded to Joestars' legacy, but neither his mother or grandfather didn't possess a strong Stands (and his mom was almost killed by the time her Stand activated, lol). Modernoir said: I usually agree with you on a lot of things but I think you're being too harsh here trying to stick to a buzzword, Gio isn't a gary stu at all. People look up to him but I'd argue rightfully so since he proves his worth to the gang whenever he has the chance, but he does more than enough to fuck up at times. He's not just handed respect on a platter, with every initiating fight he's had to do something to prove to the others that he's worthy of being their potential leader. And he screws up plenty; despite having such an OP Stand he wasn't able to save Bruno, Narancia or Abbacchio. I'd argue he's in fact a very balanced protagonist, a huge step-up from Jotaro who basically was a gary stu for a good portion of his runtime as a character. Seriously, compare how Jotaro wins fights to how Gio wins fights. Gio wins fights a lot more similarly to Joseph thanks to his mad tactics and ability applications, but unlike Hamon it actually does make sense given his ability. Would you argue Joseph is a gary stu? I wouldn't. It does these characters a huge disservice simply labelling them "gary stu" or "mary sue" when those terms should really only be reserved for actual offenders, like Kirito from SAO. No problem, the forum is to share thoughts on various topics; here we discuss which main character after five anime adaptations of JoJo is Gary Stu. :-) If I were to add something I wrote above, I would like to agree with comparing Giorno to Joseph. While I see Giorno as a character presented as more powerful than Joseph was in Part 2, I get what you meant. Yes, they are similar in being strong, but not unbalanced, therefore they are capable of screwing things in various situations a lot and are not to have control over everything. Joseph couldn't stop Esidisi from killing Loggs or Whammu from killing Caesar. He had to prove his worth to Lisa Lisa as well. Hell, way before that he was defeated and survived by pure luck, getting a punishment of having two time bombs inside his body (those rings, I mean). That's why, I will repeat once again, I don't see Giorno is genuinely Gary Stu, even if he shares some traits of Gary Stu, he is not "Gary Stu of JoJo" for me. This humble title I give to Jotaro from Part 3. While Giorno could seem like somebody omnipotent at start, he turned out to be a regular guy wanting to become Gangstar, with overpowered Stand. And DIO's son, of course, but it didn't turn him into 100% unbeatable character. What I wanted to emphase is that I understand people who see Giorno as Gary Stu and I presented two arguments corresponding (or which might've corresponded, lol) with those oppinions. While I don't see Giorno as somebody equal or "better" in terms of "Gary Stueness", I can understand the point of people who actually see him as one. |
Armados said: Also Kira forgot about Sheer Heart Attack even though Josuke literally can't do anything to beat it. Armados said: Josuke wouldn't have survived against Sheer Heart Attack, its kind of obvious. Josuke can't do anything to Sheer Heart Attack? The same Sheer Heart Attack that Kira launched at Josuke when he first discovered his identity? The same Sheer Heart Attack that Josuke healed and sent back into Kira's hand five seconds after he saw it? Supersonic_speed said: -GE isn’t really that broken, I’d say it’s the weakest of the anime protagonists so far I'm HEAVILY inclined to disagree with that. In past parts we've seen Hermit Purple, Star Platinum, and Crazy Diamond fail against Stands that they're poor matches for. In Part 5, the closest instance I can think of GE failing in a fight is when his arm got punched off by Diavolo, and even then he managed to turn that into an advantage. Not to mention how its power is extraordinarily versatile compared to "I can stop time" or "I can heal things". Heck, it even basically becomes Crazy Diamond but with less strength and more powers. And Giorno almost never has to fight Power type Stands, so even that barely matters as a shortcoming. |
TheAzulmagiaJul 8, 2019 6:32 PM
| The last Jojo Friday until we get Part 6 (although I'm watching it on a Monday at 11 PM). F. I guess because we got the sound effects OP this time the hour-long special won't have an OP/ED? Even after finishing the episode, I have no idea why King Crimson's hand began falling apart. Seeing Diavolo trying to bargain with Bucciarati was so satisfying. I thought Mista's body got donuted. Oh well. Bucciarati was reborn because of his R E S O L V E. Okay, so Giorno is holding the arrow in an upright sitting position. Why did it then cut to him lying unconscious? Trish's Daddy-Tingle is still weird. The scene of Giorno impaling himself with the arrow was really awesome. Since when are Stand Users able to physically hold their Stands? The eye peeping out of Gold Experience was creepy. Gold Experience Requiem looks fucking awesome. It can shoot laser beams now? The whole King Crimson sequence was super trippy, I loved it. GER's ability doesn't make any sense but I'm sure it will make sense after the next episode. |
| What an episode! RIP Bucciarati :/ |
"There is no such thing as an Anime elitist. You watch Anime, therefore, you are trash by society's standards." |
| I thought the final two eps would be dedicated solely to the next arc which is why the wait didn't bother me that much, but now we gotta wait for the end of this bit too. I'm looking forward to how anime onlines react to all that. RarePepes said: The same way Diavolo did. The bullshit about attacking the light that casts the shadow of the soul. It makes sense following its own logic, but it really came out of nowhere. I am thoroughly confused as to how bucciaratti beat requiem; didn't seem to make any sense |
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PedroBV96 said: Giorno being DIO's son had no implications at all in his life or what he is now, unlike in part 4. Like @JeXxTaR said, all the things that Giorno inherited from DIO are superficial and if Giorno wasn't DIO's son nothing would change in the story more than small details. I think it had mostly due to his inherited talents and overpowered Stand. What's more, if he wasn't DIO's son, his hair would stay black without those fancy curls. ;D @Gytanzo , I would love to see an opening with new gimmick featuring GER. :D |
| Since Diavolo revealed the answer to acquiring the Requiem Arrow, Bucciarati decided to do the same but he destroyed his own soul's light to put an end to Silver Chariot's madness at the cost of his remaining borrowed time in the world to save Trish and the others. He might've died at the first encounter with the boss but this moment when he was finally laid to rest for good was a very emotional moment for me. May the real boss celebrate with his fellow Gang-Stars up above... Golden Experience Requiem's mysterious ability just pulled a "Great Days" on him! I can't really say that I fully understood what GER did but I imagine that it would be like having to forcibly sit through the entirety of a hundred "X does X for 24 hours" videos in a row without being able to skip to the end nor reach it for the matter. Yikes. It might not be the most conventional of last boss fights compared to the other parts but I was entertained regardless! |
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ReaperCreeper said: I thought the final two eps would be dedicated solely to the next arc which is why the wait didn't bother me that much, but now we gotta wait for the end of this bit too. I'm looking forward to how anime onlines react to all that. RarePepes said: The same way Diavolo did. The bullshit about attacking the light that casts the shadow of the soul. It makes sense following its own logic, but it really came out of nowhere. I am thoroughly confused as to how bucciaratti beat requiem; didn't seem to make any sense so what, diavolo only weakened him and bucciaratti finished it off? why didn't everyone just do that? idk, it's Jojo what can I say? Not really bothered by it but like you said it kinda came out of left field. |
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Ardis160 said: EpsilonX said: To be honest, this was kind of a bad episode. Animation seemed much worse than usual and almost nothing that happened made any sense. At least Giorno was cool. What episode did you watch? This was easily the best animated episode since EP27, and I was truly unimpressed with the previous episode, which had a lot of Q U A L I T Y. I may have exaggerated how bad it was, but I still wasn't impressed. The main thing that stood out to me was Mista firing his gun, which seem unusually bad. DeepRiver said: otakugamer04 said: bro i think you're right because this part is very good but it's not as good as other parts Dont know, but i find this the best one yet I hated part 5 in the manga, but it's my favorite season of the anime. They've done such a great job with the adaptation. |
ChangeLeopardonJul 10, 2019 6:48 AM
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ZxI said: i am not sure what is happening but i am enjoying it Good summary of the series. |
oceanmachineJul 23, 2019 10:24 AM
| It was so exciting to see the reveal of Gold Experience Requiem. Giorno is truly invincible now and the episode ends with him beating the crap out of the villain, Diavolo. We're truly in the endgame now! |
| Can someone tell me how GER works? I wanted Diavolo to win, but thats not gotta happen. |
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MeisterDM said: Can someone tell me how GER works? I wanted Diavolo to win, but thats not gotta happen. |
| Lmao Diavolo is so full of himself, but most if not all JoJo antagonists are! |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| RIP Bruno, a great leader with a cool stand. Shame his fate was already sealed in Venice. Requiem stands are wayyy too OP. Not sure how fights would even go in the next parts if everyone has one. |
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| Another one of the team dies forever, at least Bucciarati managed to outwit Diavolo and let Giorno get the arrow |
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| This episode was amazing especially at the end where Giorno muda'd the shit out of Diavolo |
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