Tsumayouji said: I'm gonna bust out some Joseph Campbell on you people: So according to story writing theory, "good stories" require conflict and a "character arc." A "character arc" requires growth, aka the character changes in some way, either mentally, emotionally, or physically (usually all three). Joseph Campbell was a big-time mythology nerd who studied myths the world over and came up with a formula for the one myth - known as the "Hero's Journey," which most all of Hollywood has used as a guideline for creating good cinema since. While the Hero's Journey is not a necessity for creating a good story, nordoes adhering to it always lead to one (some great films break from this), it was the first template for categorizing and discussing what enduring stories were and why. And it underscored the notion that you need a character to change in some way to be engaging. So the "problem" with most "strong" male protagonists is that they have no character arc, no growth. They don't change emotionally or mentally. They're just super strong. And the lack of change means they're typically found to be inherently uninteresting. You can get away with this if they aren't the main character. Take Alucard from Hellsing. While he is a core character, Seras and even Integra are more of the main characters, and they do go through their own arcs that change them. Guts is a strong dude, but we see him transform into who he is. Rambo undergoes a HUGE character arc. The movie isn't about how much of a badass he is, but how he struggles with PTSD. The struggle being the key. But Ichigo has many character arcs and i still dislike him. |
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pralan said: Tsumayouji said: I'm gonna bust out some Joseph Campbell on you people: So according to story writing theory, "good stories" require conflict and a "character arc." A "character arc" requires growth, aka the character changes in some way, either mentally, emotionally, or physically (usually all three). Joseph Campbell was a big-time mythology nerd who studied myths the world over and came up with a formula for the one myth - known as the "Hero's Journey," which most all of Hollywood has used as a guideline for creating good cinema since. While the Hero's Journey is not a necessity for creating a good story, nordoes adhering to it always lead to one (some great films break from this), it was the first template for categorizing and discussing what enduring stories were and why. And it underscored the notion that you need a character to change in some way to be engaging. So the "problem" with most "strong" male protagonists is that they have no character arc, no growth. They don't change emotionally or mentally. They're just super strong. And the lack of change means they're typically found to be inherently uninteresting. You can get away with this if they aren't the main character. Take Alucard from Hellsing. While he is a core character, Seras and even Integra are more of the main characters, and they do go through their own arcs that change them. Guts is a strong dude, but we see him transform into who he is. Rambo undergoes a HUGE character arc. The movie isn't about how much of a badass he is, but how he struggles with PTSD. The struggle being the key. But Ichigo has many character arcs and i still dislike him. Haha, well even if you have a character with character arcs, doesn't guarantee he's likable. Likability is another matter entirely. ;) My point though is that many "strong" male protagonists don't change. And it's pretty hard to have anyone get behind an MC who doesn't change at all (not impossible, but highly unlikely). |
| No they dont' , they maybe dislike the character of the protagonist . |
| I like watching strong protagonists, male or female. It's just when I think they're ridiculously overpowered, that's when it becomes boring and unchallenging. This is the reason why I don't bother watching Bleach anymore. |
Anything else? |
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| I like Natsu Dragneel, Vash, Spike Spiegel, Gene Starwind, Brandon Heat, etc. They're all strong male main characters but at th esame time each one of them has a flaw. |
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| Alucard is on my favorites list and he's insanely OP. So no, I don't dislike strong male protagonists as long as they've got some interesting qualities/flaws/etc. |
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| I like the strong male protagonist's , what's wrong with them ? They cand be as strong as they can possible be if it goes well with the story line...My favorites are the one's who are a little stronger than he's friends but kinda weeker than the enemy so they cand rise over them. |
| Y'know about Kirito.. he really did have character development.. (i'm sorry if my grammar makes anything hard to understand or read, i tend to make mistakes like that) also i read up to page 7 so if any1 has already typed something like this, i'm sorry for wasting your time. Mod Note: Spoiler tag added to summary of SAO series. |
rodacApr 1, 2014 11:47 PM
| also no, i don't dislike every strong male leads just because they are strong male leads. i do dislike VERY douche attitudes in a male protagonist though. |
| It takes more than a protagonist being strong for me to dislike him. I generally like strong protagonists. One that comes to mind is Tatsuya Shiba. He is clearly a Gary Stu in my opinion, but I don't care. I think he is a Gary Stu done right, and he is executed perfectly. Someone like Kirito I don't like that much. Not because he is OP and strong, but simply because I don't like his character. There are many others, it just depends on peoples' taste I guess. |
| I have complete opposite complex. I enjoy power progression as much as the next person but i'd prefer to see the main character be over powered to hell and abuse it than be an idiot who can't seem to learn from his mistakes. |
| People usually only dislike strong MCs because they use their strength to easily win fights and pretty much annihilate their opponents, which isn't very thrilling. |
| People dislike everything. |
PoeticJustice said: nigga i am black, do you think my ass would fit in? "Oh look it is negro kun." Hell no. |
| really? i though people dislike wimpy and weak one more. what user here dislike is someone that are way too flawless |
| "This is boring...I'm bored..." |
| i think weak or strong doesn't matter. what we need is good development character. |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| I dont dislike them as long as they are charismatic,Alucard and Claire Stanfield for example might be Gary Stues but you cant deny that their scenes are the highlights of their series. |
| If their too powerful it can be really boring. |
"Be the change you wish to see in the world." ⛩️  |
| it's the otehr way around people dislike the weak ones |
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| http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=search&q=overpowered&u=&uloc=1&loc=16 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=search&q=strong+&u=&uloc=1&loc=16 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=search&q=badass&u=&uloc=1&loc=16 I call bulshit. We get like ten "Looking for anime with strong/badass/overpowered mc" threads per day in the anime & manga recommendations subforum to the point that you'd think people just watch anime for escapism or self insertion. There's no way in hell you can tell me people don't love strrong mc, maybe the extreme minority. Anyway, the strength of the character doesn't matter. How well he's written and how that strength (or lack thereof) is used in the story is where it's at. |
Toarujisuru said: One punch man can do that.If their too powerful it can be really boring. |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
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