| western comedy cartoons > Japanese comedy cartoons, but... western serious cartoons < Japanese serious cartoons. Ok, here is a disclaimer... The English word cartoon refer to animation, not a style of animation, just like the English word for comic refers to a graphic novel, not a style of graphic novel. Therefore, it is proper to refer to anime as a cartoon... It simply often has the wrong connotation attached to it. However, the denoation is correct. |
| Every time I see an English-speaker on the Internet add an honorific to someone's name, I die a little bit inside. Every time I see, "^_^," my will to carry on crumbles that much more. |
| It is two entirely different kinds of comedy... I simply find shows like Futurama, South Park, etc to be more funny that Japanese shows that think a screaming, overly obnoxious character who is drawn chibi with a smally body and a big head is funny... |
| Every time I see an English-speaker on the Internet add an honorific to someone's name, I die a little bit inside. Every time I see, "^_^," my will to carry on crumbles that much more. |
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| I have mixed feelings about this actually. If you take away all the visuals from anime, you actually do get a lot of storylines and characters that rinse and repeat from standard Japanese anime (cute moe clumsy characters for instance). I think if you were to have one standard art style look to both of them (meaning you couldn't tell one from the other visually). I think both come out out equal when it comes to story. Depending on the title of course. |
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| For the comedy, I think it's partly due to different cultural perspectives. I remember in grade 9 English class, my teacher explained why we (as in, us in that school) almost never studied Shakespearean comedies - the jokes would be lost on us because it's not the type of humour we've grown accustomed to, thus it would be boring. Therefore, what we find funny in the West might not be the same in Japan and vice versa. In terms of serious cartoons, though, it's probably more due to the fact that, here in the West, cartoons are almost synonymous with kids' shows or comedy shows. There aren't as many serious Western animated shows as in Japan, to my knowledge. I guess my point is that you can't really compare them on the same levels. |
| I don't think I've ever seen a serious western cartoon. Ever. All of them are: children's educational, children's comedy, or adult comedy. The most serious western cartoon I've ever watched was A:TLA, which is kind of stretching it (that show's comedy 85% of the time). Though I do find Futurama and South Park far funnier than almost any comedy anime (save one or two). Think it's just a cultural boundary. Hell, even humor between England and America is radically different. We can't expect to entirely understand the jokes when we don't know the language or culture. |
Aeterna said: For the comedy, I think it's partly due to different cultural perspectives. I remember in grade 9 English class, my teacher explained why we (as in, us in that school) almost never studied Shakespearean comedies - the jokes would be lost on us because it's not the type of humour we've grown accustomed to, thus it would be boring. Therefore, what we find funny in the West might not be the same in Japan and vice versa. In terms of serious cartoons, though, it's probably more due to the fact that, here in the West, cartoons are almost synonymous with kids' shows or comedy shows. There aren't as many serious Western animated shows as in Japan, to my knowledge. I guess my point is that you can't really compare them on the same levels. That's right. Every nation has little bit, or big different sense of humour (or entirely, whole different humour). Big especially when it comes to eastern continents and western one. Because of the language itself, culture, history and so on. Especially parodies, people can't understand the parody, unless they know the original work. About drama, western cartoons are usually made for kids (i.e. Cartoon Network, as Aeterna said). While anime can be taken more seriously in Japan, but still. Even though, publishers and the staff, rates the certain anime for various ages, and though they have some serious drama there, or action storyline, many people still think, that it is for kids. Actually, majority of people, who usually says this, are over thirty, or forty years old. It's just my experience, I may be wrong. |
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| Western Serious Cartoons? where? The Western World hasn't taken animation seriously for more then a decade now. |
JigeroApr 9, 2010 6:13 PM
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Jigero said: Western Serious Cartoons? where? The Western World hasn't taken animation seriously for more then a decade now. Make that two decades... |
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tehnominator said: Well, I wouldn't disagree entirely with that. Japanese anime handles adult situations and drama a lot better than American cartoons. Although, I'd say it's more like: Western comedy = Japanese comedy Western drama < Japanese drama Im along that line although haven't seen a western drama. |
| Well, the closest thing you'll get to a serious (or "drama") cartoon is like... a Batman cartoon. But even then, it's still geared to kids and isn't so much drama as it is action or not comedy. Animated western series are like that... but comics generally are not. My girlfriend suggested Spawn, which made me remember Aeon Flux for some reason. So there are some. |
| Every time I see an English-speaker on the Internet add an honorific to someone's name, I die a little bit inside. Every time I see, "^_^," my will to carry on crumbles that much more. |
Jigero said: Western Serious Cartoons? where? The Western World hasn't taken animation seriously for more then a decade now. Probably the reason why there hasn't been any maybe cause would you go watch a serious cartoon made in the western world? everything is about making profit ect. that's why Japan is doing their thing, US is doing their thing, China selling their things, and w.e |
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MelbShaw said: Jigero said: Western Serious Cartoons? where? The Western World hasn't taken animation seriously for more then a decade now. Probably the reason why there hasn't been any maybe cause would you go watch a serious cartoon made in the western world? everything is about making profit ect. that's why Japan is doing their thing, US is doing their thing, China selling their things, and w.e Uh yea, I used to love stuff like Heavy Metal, Animation Show, and Undergrads |
JigeroApr 9, 2010 7:42 PM
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| It depends on one's preference. |
| I find Japanese drama to be too mature and twisted at times though there are exceptions. As for comedy: Western comedy = Japanese comedy |
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| The funniest the real action romance, drama are Koreans one. Every time I watch any korean telenovela, I always see someone dieng. Honestly, I really love how korean directors, staff exaggerate things. |
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| King of the Hill is the only "funny" Western cartoon I can tolerate because it's Mike Judge. I find the rest to be dreadfully boring and monotonous. Japanese drama in the animated sense is much more appealing to me than the Western version, assuming of course the latter even exists. |
| I like Japanese animation more than American cartoons no matter the genre. Period. |
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| American comedy cartoons adheres to more of the idiotic and sometimes vulgar area of comedy. Although they can be funny, most of it are just *bleep*. Although alot of Japanese comedy can also be like this, there is alot of variety which focuses on puns, situational irony and etc without the obscenities and profanities. American Drama/Serious catoons=sub-par/nonexistent |
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| Western Comedy Cartoons > Japanese Comedy Cartoons. I doubt you'll ever see great stuff like Metalocalypse, King of the Hill, Superjail, and Family Guy coming out of Japan. But, Japanese Serious > Western Serious as there is really no Western serious cartoons. At least, none that I have seen. |
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| Western comedy cartoons better than Japanese ones? Oh please! Only Asterix is any good, and don't come up with any South Park/Simpsons/Family Guy shit because they don't worth a dime comparing to even a generic Japanese comedy anime. |
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| Yeah, there's a long way between understanding and appreciating it, got lost somewhere there. I understand it, I don't appreciate it. |
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| personally i don't really fancy western animations. except something like those.. penguins from the zoo.. that lion.. oh, Madagascar... that animation movie. was loads of fun and laughter. south park is really cool too, but i don't really like the simpsons that much anymore |
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| Uh huh? Western comedy = Japanese comedy. I guess so. |
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GreatEmperor said: American comedy cartoons adheres to more of the idiotic and sometimes vulgar area of comedy. Although they can be funny, most of it are just *bleep*. Although alot of Japanese comedy can also be like this, there is alot of variety which focuses on puns, situational irony and etc without the obscenities and profanities. American Drama/Serious catoons=sub-par/nonexistent Wait what? Maybe if your only watching south park, but even then south park is always at least political, topical and more about taking pot shots at American culture. American animated comedies are more filled with pop culture references, psychical humor or satire. Japanese Comedy very rarely ventures beyond perverted jokes or physical humor and when it does happen to break the 4th wall no foreign viewer is gonna get it and the puns are usually some thing really god damn obscure. Also on a side note, A Scanner Darkly was actually a really good western animated drama. But I think it's only really made it to cult status |
JigeroApr 20, 2010 9:13 AM
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
thesilentarmy said: western comedy cartoons > Japanese comedy cartoons, but... When you write "western", do you mean "american" ? Cause this thread is just looking like other boring threads "americans speaking about their pride to be americans"... No, south park and clones are not superior or equal to japanese comedies, please don't write that kind of non-truth. |
| Actually, I think there's quite a bit of a boundary of what we would consider funny and what the Japs consider funny. If you notice in a lot of Eastern comedies they tend to make references to Eastern culture and figures. To them it's likely more funny because it's a part of their culture. But for us, it seems less so because we're not as influenced by it as they are. From what I find, both Western and Eastern comedy are actually pretty similar. A lot of them tend to make a satire of something about their culture, they can both end up being physical, they can end up correlating to something sexual and they both can be very crude. However, it's the style to which they do these things which seperates the two in their style of comedy as well as the actual jokes that are made. Such as the face in boobs joke in the East and the pervert who would do anything to get in someone's pants in the West. I say it's mostly the cultural aspects that seperate the forms of humor, however I will note that Japanese humor tends to be more surreal than what Western comedy is whereas the West can be more vulgar. |
DrewTheDudeApr 20, 2010 10:47 AM
| Western Animation is used for making fun of culture and circumstances that is happening atm. |
| please understand that comedy is related to culture if you don't grow up with them, your ability / chance to enjoy is reduced. And even inside Japan, the east and west coasts have different comedy senses. |
kwizatz said: thesilentarmy said: western comedy cartoons > Japanese comedy cartoons, but... When you write "western", do you mean "american" ? Cause this thread is just looking like other boring threads "americans speaking about their pride to be americans"... No, south park and clones are not superior or equal to japanese comedies, please don't write that kind of non-truth. Ok show me animated comedy shows coming out of any other part of the world in recent years? |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
Jigero said: kwizatz said: thesilentarmy said: western comedy cartoons > Japanese comedy cartoons, but... When you write "western", do you mean "american" ? Cause this thread is just looking like other boring threads "americans speaking about their pride to be americans"... No, south park and clones are not superior or equal to japanese comedies, please don't write that kind of non-truth. Ok show me animated comedy shows coming out of any other part of the world in recent years? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP3xiLKJ9_4 |
| There's rarely a good laugh in anime as opposed to the hilarity of Family Guy for example. |
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corbenic said: There's rarely a good laugh in anime as opposed to the hilarity of Family Guy for example. Not really. Recent seasons have been shit. |
| Didn't see them yet, I think I was up to season 4 or 5. |
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| Not sure if I agree... |
| Everyone who thinks Japanese animation > American animation are weeaboos. Right? |
Tyestor said: Everyone who thinks Japanese animation > American animation are weeaboos. Right? Everyone who thinks this is true is a retard. Right? |
DrewTheDude said: Tyestor said: Everyone who thinks Japanese animation > American animation are weeaboos. Right? Everyone who thinks this is true is a retard. Right? Right. Right? |
spupapi said: The funniest the real action romance, drama are Koreans one. Every time I watch any korean telenovela, I always see someone dieng. Honestly, I really love how korean directors, staff exaggerate things. haha so true, i recently started watching k dorama and its so dramatic even in the funniest of bits XD Tyestor said: DrewTheDude said: Tyestor said: Everyone who thinks Japanese animation > American animation are weeaboos. Right? Everyone who thinks this is true is a retard. Right? Right. Right? Tyestor said: DrewTheDude said: Tyestor said: Everyone who thinks Japanese animation > American animation are weeaboos. Right? Everyone who thinks this is true is a retard. Right? Right. Right? Animation wise, America do animate better, like they don't just zoom into peoples faces like in anime, but story wise and art wise Japan owns America |
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Jigero said: kwizatz said: thesilentarmy said: western comedy cartoons > Japanese comedy cartoons, but... When you write "western", do you mean "american" ? Cause this thread is just looking like other boring threads "americans speaking about their pride to be americans"... No, south park and clones are not superior or equal to japanese comedies, please don't write that kind of non-truth. Ok show me animated comedy shows coming out of any other part of the world in recent years? Mc Donald can be found in most of countries in the world, but I know there are at least 10000 better restaurants only 100kms around me. But I agree with you, South Park and other american-clones can decently be compared with Mc Donald: it is shit for pigs xD |
kwizatz said: That's rather rude. And yes, if it was sarcasm, it still was kind of rude.it is shit for pigs xD That aside, too much generalization in this thread. |
DrewTheDude said: Jigero said: kwizatz said: thesilentarmy said: western comedy cartoons > Japanese comedy cartoons, but... When you write "western", do you mean "american" ? Cause this thread is just looking like other boring threads "americans speaking about their pride to be americans"... No, south park and clones are not superior or equal to japanese comedies, please don't write that kind of non-truth. Ok show me animated comedy shows coming out of any other part of the world in recent years? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP3xiLKJ9_4 and your point? kwizatz said: Jigero said: kwizatz said: thesilentarmy said: western comedy cartoons > Japanese comedy cartoons, but... When you write "western", do you mean "american" ? Cause this thread is just looking like other boring threads "americans speaking about their pride to be americans"... No, south park and clones are not superior or equal to japanese comedies, please don't write that kind of non-truth. Ok show me animated comedy shows coming out of any other part of the world in recent years? Mc Donald can be found in most of countries in the world, but I know there are at least 10000 better restaurants only 100kms around me. But I agree with you, South Park and other american-clones can decently be compared with Mc Donald: it is shit for pigs xD Your still not proving anything, how can you say "lawl Americans talking about how awesome their American shows are" when there is NOTHING TO FUCKING COMPARE IT TO! Japan and fucking America are the only ones in the last 2 decades that have made any sort of Animated Comedy Show that wasn't a kids show. and I'm not just talking about south park. There is American Dad, Venture Brothers, Sealab 2021, Ren and Stimpy, Striperlla, Space Ghost Coast to Coast, Futurama, The Brack Show, Under Grads, Celebrity Death Match and countless others. come back and bitch later when your country actually starts making one. |
JigeroApr 21, 2010 10:17 AM
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
DetectiveRukia08 said: I like Japanese animation more than American cartoons no matter the genre. Period. agree also I dont like the american (or western) way of story desing |
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