| If a cow still can produce milk then why kill it? |
| It's almost certainly down to money. Throw in that streaming is the most common form of anime consumption now, and just running each somewhat popular series into the ground, regardless of its impact upon the series itself from a story point-of-view, is just low-cost, high-returns, easy money. Anime was a better watch when everything was written to be complete within 26 episodes or 50 episodes. It takes more writing skill to end a story in a satisfying way than just needlessly dragging things out beyond their natural expiry, but again, money. |
| Before: 50-100 episodes long incomplete adaptation with lots of fillers and zero chance of getting a sequel after it finishes airing Now: 1-2 cours season and the possibility of getting a sequel years later I'm specifically talking about adaptations of source materials that are still ongoing. When the source material is complete, adaptations always reach the end of the story (even if it means rushing and cutting a ton of stuff). genesic123 said: Who would want to watch anime if everything they watch will be incomplete? Because journey > destination. And you can always check the source material if you really like something. |
genesic123 said: Desipte massive YouTuber shilling and the ultra hype anound it,it took 10 YEARS just to adapt it. Wasn't the manga like on-going during the entire time? |
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| Think of all the people that died before they could finish Attack on Titan. |
| What are you even talking about? No. It's the opposite. Majority of shows are only 12 episodes and never get a second season even in many cases. It's just that manga series in general get published for decades on end sometimes never finishing because the mangaka live off of it so they keep it going for a long haul and any faithful adaptation will have a lot to cover. Also there is a huge issue of overproduction of anime. Way too much is being made so many shows don't get another season year after year but years apart because the production of other series and films. It's so frustrating how the industry is ran these days. |
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| I have the reverse problem, i think most modern anime is unjustifiably short. |
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| Not so, but far otherwise. If there wasn't so much anime released each day, how else could I fill the empty hours, which are only a temporal reflection of the fundamental void that is my existence? I daren't call it my life, since "life" implies some kind of activity, development, growth - whereas my only aim seems to be to distract my mental processes from the conscience of the unavoidable end. Also, more anime = more oppai. |
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| Nah, I don’t think modern anime is unjustifiably long at all In fact, most modern shows are actually shorter than older ones if you really think about it. Here's why: Most anime today are 12–13 episodes. That’s been the standard for years now. Some go for 24–26, but even that isn’t really “long” Unless you’re watching a shounen or something with multiple seasons, it's usually pretty bite-sized. Back in the day, anime used to go on forever. Shows like Naruto, Bleach, Inuyasha, and Yu Yu Hakusho, as well as romcoms like Maison Ikkoku and Ranma ½, had over 100 episodes. One Piece is still going lmao. Compared to that, modern stuff is way more manageable. Franchise fatigue might be confusing too. Stuff like Demon Slayer, DanMachi, SAO, BNHA, etc. keep coming back with new seasons, so maybe people feel like they “never end” but each season is still pretty short. |
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| Huh? No they're too short most of the time nowadays, 1-2 cour anime are VERY rarely enough to tell a full story and it's one of the reasons I find original anime more interesting than adaptations. Attack on Titan is not a short manga and I doubt the studios actually wanted it to take that long to adapt, the break between the first and the second season is really what pads out the time it took to adapt more than anything, all following seasons were released within reasonable timeframes. |
"Most anime makers are basically autistic" - Hideaki Anno |
| Because the manga is usually still ongoing while being animated, and we're now past the age of long-running anime with pointless filler. |
| Da Garn was mostly monster of the week bro. If anything. Da Garn was too long. |
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@derangedx29 But Da Garn still has better pacing and a shorter, complete story episode count than most of modern hyped anime lol.
| @genesic123 bro watch J decker I'm literally doing that right now. 12 years on this site and that's all you watched? |
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| As far as I can tell, older TV anime seem longer than newer ones, on average. |
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| Well, it’s a money question really. If something hypes, then of course the author would want to milk that cow for as long as humanly possible. Though, it doesn’t really have to do with anime, but more with the source material it’s adapted from. Most original anime, as far as you see, have more or less complete stories. And yes, you can make a good story that completely fits into 24 episodes (even 12, but that’s kinda tough) if you keep it concise enough and remove all the filler aspects (such as restaurant scenes, which are usually pretty pointless but take up a lot of screen time). |
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| Monster was released two decades ago. It had, what, 70 episodes? Space brothers is from 2014, it had almost 100. Modern anime is, if anything, then too short. |
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Monster was released two decades ago. It had, what, 70 episodes? Space brothers is from 2014, it had almost 100.
Modern anime is, if anything, then too short.
Modern anime is, if anything, then too short.
| @dunkelfalke Unless we are talking about overrated garbage like Attack on Eren's Simpdom. Then, you're going to get the third part of the prologue of the first final season lmao |
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Unless we are talking about overrated garbage like Attack on Eren's Simpdom. Then, you're going to get the third part of the prologue of the first final season lmao
Unless we are talking about overrated garbage like Attack on Eren's Simpdom. Then, you're going to get the third part of the prologue of the first final season lmao
| @sorcery two seasons is not that long. |
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@sorcery two seasons is not that long.
| @dunkelfalke I was mostly mocking the fanboys of AOT. I heard many of them telling how the second to last season was the prologue and be patient as it's g0nNa gIt g00d aT LAsT. Nah, it's always been mostly a laborious play pretend fantasy epic where one single character ridiculously hogs all the pivotal roles. It's still a terrible idea to classify something such as "Final season part 2". Either it's the finale, or the part before the finale, duuh. |
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I was mostly mocking the fanboys of AOT. I heard many of them telling how the second to last season was the prologue and be patient as it's g0nNa gIt g00d aT LAsT. Nah, it's always been mostly a laborious play pretend fantasy epic where one single character ridiculously hogs all the pivotal roles. It's still a terrible idea to classify something such as "Final season part 2". Either it's the finale, or the part before the finale, duuh.
I was mostly mocking the fanboys of AOT. I heard many of them telling how the second to last season was the prologue and be patient as it's g0nNa gIt g00d aT LAsT. Nah, it's always been mostly a laborious play pretend fantasy epic where one single character ridiculously hogs all the pivotal roles. It's still a terrible idea to classify something such as "Final season part 2". Either it's the finale, or the part before the finale, duuh.
| @sorcery the second season is the last season. Then the show ended. |
| Your understanding of what is long is really weird. |
| Yeah, I don't get this question. I thought that it's the older anime that was overlong, and that newer anime are often too short and rushed? How do shows like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Sailor Moon, or even Dragon Ball fit into this picture??? You seem to be also talking about anime taking too long to make, which is a completely different question... |
| Bro, let Sazae-san, Conan, One Piece and Bleach cook. |
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| aren't even long and evidently most people watch them. |
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| Did you know that Shin-chan is still ongoing, too? It has more episodes than One Piece. I actually like that studios take their time with seasons instead of trying to deliver an episode every week with quality varying between awful and unwatchable eventually. On the other hand, manga take forever to produce. It's just drawing black on white, yet anime always catch up with the manga fast and then it's a waiting game for new content before a new season can be made. For example, remember Black Lagoon back from 2006? It's nearly 20 years later and there still isn't enough story for a new season. There was a short OVA made in 2010 with five episodes. At most they could make another short OVA before being caught up with the manga again. Or remember the mahjong anime Akagi from 2005? The last few episodes were a drawn out match against some rich geezer. Little did anyone in 2005 know that the manga would draw out that very same match for 13 years and then end with no real conclusion. There are even worse examples, like Berserk. A manga that started in 1989 that the author didn't manage to finish before he died in 2021. 32 years for forty volumes of manga. That's not even two volumes per year. For reference, One Piece got over a hundred volumes and started a decade later. Even One Piece takes 30 years for something that could have been adopted into anime in a couple of years at most. You know why most anime used to finish in a reasonable time back in those days? Because they either made original anime or rewrote the manga so the anime would have its own original anime ending. But as it turned out, rewritten endings were awful most of the time. And everyone would need to wait at least a decade to find out that the manga ending wasn't any better in many cases. |
| I mean Naruto had ended only 8 years ago, and the Bleach anime returned to adapt the remaining chapter after a long hiatus, and One Piece is still on going (sunk cost fallacy). If anything, modern anime aren't exactly known for adapting manga until the very end. |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
Yuu_Kanzaki said: If anything, modern anime aren't exactly known for adapting manga until the very end. Isn't that exactly what OP is referring to? genesic123 said: Who would want to watch anime if everything they watch will be incomplete? I think everyone is replying about episode count, but OP meant that you have to wait 10+ years for something to complete, so it's demotivating to even get started. It's kind of like when an OVA takes 3 years to release the next episode, by the time it comes out, you've lost interest or moved on to other things. |
 Another hero? Oh, please! You're a god-damn philistine. |
| older anime fans like myself and I find it infuriating. but modern fans accept the suffering as part of the experience |
| Modern anime is unjustifiably short. They're all just quick promotions for whatever they're based on. I think in the 2010s it was the worst where almost everything was dropped after 2 seasons. We've slipped into a model where if a show is successful instead of just airing it until they've run out of content and picking it back up when a substantial amount more content has been released they just slow chip away at it one season at a time. Theoretically this is better than the 2010s model because there's a better chance of anime actually fully adapting their source material eventually, but as a viewer it means that instead of just following a show for 2 years and being pushed to the manga/LN because there will never be more of the anime, it does mean having to follow shows for longer. |
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genesic123 said: Think of attack of titan.Desipte massive YouTuber shilling and the ultra hype anound it,it took 10 YEARS just to adapt it.Why is it a LIFE COMMITMENT just to watch an anime nowadays? Because it didn't take 10 years to adapt Dragon Ball, amirite? genesic123 said: even the most generic isekai harem needs the equivalent of 100 episodes to complete. Can you name even a single isekai harem with 100 episodes? |
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Yuu_Kanzaki said:
If anything, modern anime aren't exactly known for adapting manga until the very end.
If anything, modern anime aren't exactly known for adapting manga until the very end.
Isn't that exactly what OP is referring to?
genesic123 said:
Who would want to watch anime if everything they watch will be incomplete?
Who would want to watch anime if everything they watch will be incomplete?
I think everyone is replying about episode count, but OP meant that you have to wait 10+ years for something to complete, so it's demotivating to even get started. It's kind of like when an OVA takes 3 years to release the next episode, by the time it comes out, you've lost interest or moved on to other things.
| @CC I must've been confused. But then modern anime mostly adapt on going manga, so unless fans would be okay with an anime original ending (which don't have that good of a reputation), they'll have to wait. Even then I don't see what's the problem for it to take time. |
| "Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
| If it is too long, you don't have to watch every episode. You can just watch a handful of episodes for your own enjoyment. |
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| I think the excessive length is justifiable under the profit motive. |
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| Not a new thing, but maybe more prevalent now due to more anime being adapted from a manga or LN. genesic123 said: Who would want to watch anime if everything they watch will be incomplete? Who wouldn't have watched AOT back then because the story wasn't complete yet? |
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I think it's the opposite now. It depends on the person, but the 90s/2000s was a pretty long time ago compared to the 2020s- and that's when a lot of the really long "One Piece-level" anime started airing. The only long one I can think of that past the late 90s/mid 2000s was... AoT. We seem to be getting a lot of 12 episode cours that don't really do any justice to longer manga series because it takes years to move onto the next arc.
12 episode cours are also responsible for the three episode rule. If an anime doesn't interest you in three episodes, drop it! ...unless you're watching a longer series where it would be like 200 episodes or something because the rule is actually made to represent a quarter of a show and got pushed to three episodes because shorter series are common now. Niche problem, but I think this is why (other than time) we have less long series fans now.
You don't need to feel pressured to watch anime that's too long for you- everyone has their limits. Some people like watching hundreds of episodes, others like watching shorter series that only take one or two cours. That's completely fine.
12 episode cours are also responsible for the three episode rule. If an anime doesn't interest you in three episodes, drop it! ...unless you're watching a longer series where it would be like 200 episodes or something because the rule is actually made to represent a quarter of a show and got pushed to three episodes because shorter series are common now. Niche problem, but I think this is why (other than time) we have less long series fans now.
You don't need to feel pressured to watch anime that's too long for you- everyone has their limits. Some people like watching hundreds of episodes, others like watching shorter series that only take one or two cours. That's completely fine.
pizzadeliveryboy said: The only long one I can think of that past the late 90s/mid 2000s was... AoT. There is also Boruto and LOGH remake. |
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Yuu_Kanzaki said:
If anything, modern anime aren't exactly known for adapting manga until the very end.
If anything, modern anime aren't exactly known for adapting manga until the very end.
Isn't that exactly what OP is referring to?
genesic123 said:
Who would want to watch anime if everything they watch will be incomplete?
Who would want to watch anime if everything they watch will be incomplete?
I think everyone is replying about episode count, but OP meant that you have to wait 10+ years for something to complete, so it's demotivating to even get started. It's kind of like when an OVA takes 3 years to release the next episode, by the time it comes out, you've lost interest or moved on to other things.
| @CC I also thought it was about episode count. I prefer 12 to 24 episodes. Quality over quantity. Having to wait 10 years is nuts. XD |
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| My ideal length for an anime is 24 to 36 episodes long. |
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