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Yesterday, 9:06 AM
#1
Hi there, I generally pick up anime based on the recommendations of people with similar taste to mine. Most of these people have watched, and love, the Monogatari series. But I've given it a shot. Well, two. I've watched Bakemonogatari not once, but twice. And I still don't get it. I don't understand the plot, the setting, the world building. I find the editing grating. I can't tell where the show is going or what I'm supposed to care about. And I sure don't understand why Senjougahara isn't the most universally hated anime character. Are other seasons different? Or if I don't get Bakemonogatari, will I not enjoy the rest of the show? |
Yesterday, 9:08 AM
#2
I dunno, i've been waiting 15 years for it to get good. |
Yesterday, 9:11 AM
#3
Reply to tchitchouan
I dunno, i've been waiting 15 years for it to get good.
@tchitchouan Looks like you know why I want to get into this show 😭 |
Yesterday, 9:13 AM
#4
Reply to atlasakura
@tchitchouan Looks like you know why I want to get into this show 😭
@atlasakura Yeah, it's the main reason i watch any anime really. |
Yesterday, 9:15 AM
#5
Reply to tchitchouan
@tchitchouan Your profile gave me a different impression :P |
Yesterday, 9:16 AM
#6
Reply to atlasakura
@tchitchouan Your profile gave me a different impression :P
@atlasakura Appearances can be deceiving. |
Yesterday, 9:23 AM
#7
For me it was good since Tsubasa cat and liked everything since it I especially liked nisemonogatari and Monogatari second season and I find zoku OwariMonogatari to be a nice epilogue to the final season plus the kizumonogatari trilogy is absolute bonkers. |
Yesterday, 9:26 AM
#8
You need to watch Kizumonogatari trilogy because after that you can understand the series much more. It takes place before timeline in Bakemonogatari. I watched Bakemonogatari back then and didnt understand shit. But after watching Kizu I liked the series so much more. |
Yesterday, 9:27 AM
#9
Monogatari is weird… i’ve noticed it is mostly popular with the weebs who are deeper down the rabbit hole than most. It does have some merit with its beautiful unique artistic direction and fun interactions. Its peaks in my opinion are definitely Kizumonogatari and the Second Season, i can’t remember much else. But you can watch Kizu at any time since it’s just a prequel so maybe check it out. |
Yesterday, 9:36 AM
#10
Bakemonogatari isn't the best season as i like kizumonogatari, 2nd and 3rd season more. But it's not really that different. Kizumonogatari has a different style but others are pretty much the same. |
Yesterday, 9:41 AM
#11
The correct question is: when does Monogatari get bad? (Answer: starting from Hanamonogatari, according to the order of issue) |
幸せを追わないで |
Yesterday, 9:43 AM
#12
Yesterday, 9:48 AM
#13
Idk years ago I watched Kizumonogatari movies and went down the rabbit hole of [holy shit there's more] XD, It's one of my favorite series of all time, mostly thanks to the writing and direction the studio Shaft took in the adaptation. I liked it since the movies and the first season, so idk u either like it or hate it |
Yesterday, 9:52 AM
#14
It looks like demonic and pedophila stuff, correct? |
Yesterday, 9:53 AM
#15
Reply to DesuMaiden
It looks like demonic and pedophila stuff, correct?
@DesuMaiden I'm not sure what you're asking me? |
Yesterday, 9:54 AM
#16
It does not. The MC just sexually harasses a new underage girl every season or something. Ignore the show entirely. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Yesterday, 9:55 AM
#17
Reply to Zimmu
You need to watch Kizumonogatari trilogy because after that you can understand the series much more. It takes place before timeline in Bakemonogatari. I watched Bakemonogatari back then and didnt understand shit. But after watching Kizu I liked the series so much more.
@Zimmu I'm trying to understand the watch order; those are the three movies that would come directly after Bakemonogatari, right? I can still watch one today and give it a shot |
Yesterday, 9:55 AM
#18
Reply to Deathko
It does not. The MC just sexually harasses a new underage girl every season or something. Ignore the show entirely.
@Deathko That's why I want to watch, though. |
Yesterday, 9:58 AM
#19
Reply to atlasakura
@Zimmu I'm trying to understand the watch order; those are the three movies that would come directly after Bakemonogatari, right? I can still watch one today and give it a shot
@atlasakura Kizumonogatari was released in 2016 irrc but the story takes place before what happened in Bakemonogatari. Its about how the mc became a vampire and how he met shinobu. If you can still watch one today, def go check out Kizu teketsu hen. The movie's animation is actually insane and story is very good so...If the first movie of the trilogy doesnt attract you, you are probably not gonna be interested in the monogatari story at all imo. |
Yesterday, 10:00 AM
#20
Reply to Zimmu
@atlasakura
Kizumonogatari was released in 2016 irrc but the story takes place before what happened in Bakemonogatari. Its about how the mc became a vampire and how he met shinobu. If you can still watch one today, def go check out Kizu teketsu hen. The movie's animation is actually insane and story is very good so...If the first movie of the trilogy doesnt attract you, you are probably not gonna be interested in the monogatari story at all imo.
Kizumonogatari was released in 2016 irrc but the story takes place before what happened in Bakemonogatari. Its about how the mc became a vampire and how he met shinobu. If you can still watch one today, def go check out Kizu teketsu hen. The movie's animation is actually insane and story is very good so...If the first movie of the trilogy doesnt attract you, you are probably not gonna be interested in the monogatari story at all imo.
@Zimmu I appreciate the tip, I'll be watching that in just a few minutes. |
Yesterday, 10:01 AM
#21
Reply to atlasakura
@Zimmu I'm trying to understand the watch order; those are the three movies that would come directly after Bakemonogatari, right? I can still watch one today and give it a shot
@atlasakura Season 1 Bakemonogatari Kizumonogatari trilogy Nisemonogatari Nekomonogatari Kuro Season 2 Monogatari second season Hanamonogatari Tsukimonogatari Season 3 OwariMonogatari Koyomimonogatari Owarimonogatari 2nd Season Zoku Owarimonogatari Season 4 Monogatari Series: Off & Monster Season Monogatari Series: Off & Monster Season - Zankoku Douwa: Utsukushi-hime after episode 6 |
Yesterday, 10:02 AM
#22
Reply to atlasakura
@Zimmu I appreciate the tip, I'll be watching that in just a few minutes.
@atlasakura Np I do hope more ppl can get into monogatari series |
Yesterday, 10:09 AM
#23
It's almost impossible to understand the purpose and deeper meaning of Monogatari on a first watch. It is also not really an anime to watch until you've seen a few hundred in my opinion. It's a show that demands you put effort into it, and if you are not willing to that, then maybe the show is not for you. If you haven't already, maybe try to watch Rascal does not Dream of Bunny Girl Senpai, since that is a show that is heavily inspired by Monogatari but more accessible to a casual watcher, so it might give you an idea what Monogatari is about. What people end up falling in love with about Monogatari is its depth of characters, character interaction, and just the amount of overall depth the show actually has. Even the fan service has meaning. There are very few shows like Monogatari, which makes it stand out among the numerous copy and paste shows we get every season. You definitely need to watch the whole series to see the whole picture, and if you still don't understand after that (which is understandable), there are a bunch of analyses you can find on YouTube that really break it down if you are interested. Don't worry though if the show is not for you, since even diehard fans recognize it is not a show for everyone. |
Yesterday, 10:25 AM
#24
Reply to Potter889
It's almost impossible to understand the purpose and deeper meaning of Monogatari on a first watch. It is also not really an anime to watch until you've seen a few hundred in my opinion. It's a show that demands you put effort into it, and if you are not willing to that, then maybe the show is not for you. If you haven't already, maybe try to watch Rascal does not Dream of Bunny Girl Senpai, since that is a show that is heavily inspired by Monogatari but more accessible to a casual watcher, so it might give you an idea what Monogatari is about. What people end up falling in love with about Monogatari is its depth of characters, character interaction, and just the amount of overall depth the show actually has. Even the fan service has meaning. There are very few shows like Monogatari, which makes it stand out among the numerous copy and paste shows we get every season. You definitely need to watch the whole series to see the whole picture, and if you still don't understand after that (which is understandable), there are a bunch of analyses you can find on YouTube that really break it down if you are interested. Don't worry though if the show is not for you, since even diehard fans recognize it is not a show for everyone.
@Potter889 How exactly does having watched hundreds of anime assist in understanding the show? |
Yesterday, 10:27 AM
#25
Reply to atlasakura
@Potter889 How exactly does having watched hundreds of anime assist in understanding the show?
@atlasakura from my own experience it come from understanding the tropes execution how the story play out and how all the cinematography is at work though I say someone well versed in Japan history would have the same results or someone studying cinema. Also since it's heavy dialogue getting use to read fast help since every episode is pretty packed. |
Yesterday, 10:30 AM
#26
its a coming of age story, a journey through the adolescent years of the characters, each character has their own insecurities, fears, regrets, etc and in bake they are introduced, author shows them as oddities. As the series moves forward each character has to deal with those and "save themselves". If you dont like coming of age stories i think is kinda pointless to continue with the franchise... |
Yesterday, 10:59 AM
#27
Everyone's experience is different but I feel like mine was similar to yours at first, so hear me out. I thought bake, kizu, nise were all just decent-good at first. Then I got to neko black and was very underwhelmed then dropped. I rewatched those years later, still had the same opinions except Kizu jumped in favorites for some reason. Also the whole time I hated Senjougahara. But then I continued on to Monogatari Second Season. The series just became insanely good and Senjougahara slowly but gradually forced me to like her and she crawled up my favorites list. Like I was just watching for Shinobu mainly at that point but she passed Shinobu for me by the end. So for me I would say it should click by Monogatari Second Season. You will get lots of people saying from the start but seriously just make it to there imo. Also by this point a rewatch or even just retrospective understanding improves the opinion of previous seasons. |
Yesterday, 11:02 AM
#28
Reply to Daniel_funes99
its a coming of age story, a journey through the adolescent years of the characters, each character has their own insecurities, fears, regrets, etc and in bake they are introduced, author shows them as oddities. As the series moves forward each character has to deal with those and "save themselves".
If you dont like coming of age stories i think is kinda pointless to continue with the franchise...
If you dont like coming of age stories i think is kinda pointless to continue with the franchise...
@Daniel_funes99 Except Monogatari is an immature kind of coming of age story aimed at teens who like edgy stuff if someone wants to watch a mature coming of age story I would recommend Colorful |
Yesterday, 11:03 AM
#29
Reply to Potter889
It's almost impossible to understand the purpose and deeper meaning of Monogatari on a first watch. It is also not really an anime to watch until you've seen a few hundred in my opinion. It's a show that demands you put effort into it, and if you are not willing to that, then maybe the show is not for you. If you haven't already, maybe try to watch Rascal does not Dream of Bunny Girl Senpai, since that is a show that is heavily inspired by Monogatari but more accessible to a casual watcher, so it might give you an idea what Monogatari is about. What people end up falling in love with about Monogatari is its depth of characters, character interaction, and just the amount of overall depth the show actually has. Even the fan service has meaning. There are very few shows like Monogatari, which makes it stand out among the numerous copy and paste shows we get every season. You definitely need to watch the whole series to see the whole picture, and if you still don't understand after that (which is understandable), there are a bunch of analyses you can find on YouTube that really break it down if you are interested. Don't worry though if the show is not for you, since even diehard fans recognize it is not a show for everyone.
@Potter889 If you ride that monagatari train any harder you will get pregnant |
Yesterday, 11:03 AM
#30
Reply to JoeChip
@Daniel_funes99
Except Monogatari is an immature kind of coming of age story aimed at teens who like edgy stuff if someone wants to watch a mature coming of age story I would recommend Colorful
Except Monogatari is an immature kind of coming of age story aimed at teens who like edgy stuff if someone wants to watch a mature coming of age story I would recommend Colorful
@JoeChip ok, thanks for your thoughts i didnt ask for 😅 |
Yesterday, 11:12 AM
#31
Reply to atlasakura
@Potter889 How exactly does having watched hundreds of anime assist in understanding the show?
@atlasakura On a very superficial level, Monogatari has a lot of easter eggs and references to other shows that are easily missed if you are not familiar with those shows. On a deeper level, Monogatari very often, parodies, satirizes and deconstructs a lot of tropes found in anime, so a lot is missed if you are not familiar with them. It's like how Madoka Magica deconstructed magical girl tropes. If you are not familiar with magical girl shows, you are not going to be able to fully appreciate Madoka Magica or why that show became so popular. |
Yesterday, 11:23 AM
#32
Monogatari is entirely conversation driven anime, the anime feel very seamless if you find their talking interesting, but lot of their conversation is also random comedy moments and shows mc perverted side that contributes literally nothing to the main plot of any arc in the series. atlasakura said: Bakemonogatari is weakest part of entire series second to kizu trilogy. I’d say keep watching the series, it will get better in second season, Nadeko mudasa and Shinobu time are still some of my favourite arcs even after the series isn’t my favourite anymore.if I don't get Bakemonogatari, will I not enjoy the rest of the show? And yeah fuck Senjougahara. |
Yesterday, 11:30 AM
#33
If you liked Bake enough to watch it twice then keep going. I can't tell you that you will just flat out love Monogatari at a certain point in the show. It's a vibe check kind of thing, and it seems like people on the internet either love it or hate it. It's pretty normal to not like Monogatari. The show doesn't do the viewer any favors with accessibility. If you don't like the style and the stories then that's totally fine, I'd have to assume most people don't. I personally think it's worth watching. Bare minimum just for the voice cast alone. |
Yesterday, 12:02 PM
#34
"When does Monogatari get good?" From the beginning. If you don't like it from the start then it's just not worth continuing. |
11 hours ago
#36
It's like love at first sight lol you'll either enjoy Monogatari or simply drop it (which you probably should imo). There are things I admittedly couldn't wrap my head, Fire Sisters for example but it's still enjoyable cause studio Shaft and the voice actors are carrying |
11 hours ago
#37
Just pick the girl you like the most as waifu and watch what happens next. (Hint: Worst girl wins). |
Hot Blood saves lives. |
10 hours ago
#38
make sure to watch it in the correct order or you will get SOOO confused and annoyed with the story...i made that mistake on my first watch of this series |
10 hours ago
#40
Isn't Monogatari super, super degenerate? Yes or no? |
10 hours ago
#41
Reply to Saputrai
make sure to watch it in the correct order or you will get SOOO confused and annoyed with the story...i made that mistake on my first watch of this series
@Saputrai This is not the correct order. because none exists. My own prefered one is close to the "light novel release order" you display, but with Bake* and Kizu* swapped. Your image also has Hana* interrupting S2, which is a non-standard interpretation of light novel release order. Two equally valid choices are Shaft release order and chronological order. I consider the first to be owed to production hell and random, the second to be suited for re-watching masochists only. See: https://bakemonogatari.fandom.com/wiki/Monogatari_Series_Timeline_and_Watch_Guide |
inim9 hours ago
10 hours ago
#42
Reply to DesuMaiden
Isn't Monogatari super, super degenerate? Yes or no?
@DesuMaiden Yes. Which is why it deserves my 10/10 so much. Best deconstruction of harem and highschool ever, plus rock solid psychological and mystery thriller. All rolled in one with excellent direction and writing. |
10 hours ago
#43
8 hours ago
#44
Well I tried to watch it is really not for me, I heard this series was inspired by Boogiepop which is I am a big fan of it the only problem is umm... Underage sexually is big no to me. Adult Sexually is okay but not teenagers. |
Kirika_Sakura8 hours ago
7 hours ago
#46
6 hours ago
#47
never, its just garbage for pathetic lonely men to insert themselves into a pathetic idiotic MC that exists to simp over women and to have a harem, it tries to hide its mediocrity with style, unfortunately the style is just as mediocre as the plot |
6 hours ago
#48
Reply to Purple_Gh0st24
The Monogatari series was great starting from the very first episode onwards. Bakemonogatari is phenomenal. You'd have to be an edgy, attention-seeking contrarian to claim otherwise.
@Purple_Gh0st24 butthurt fanboy is butthurt |
6 hours ago
#49
Reply to inim
@DesuMaiden Yes. Which is why it deserves my 10/10 so much. Best deconstruction of harem and highschool ever, plus rock solid psychological and mystery thriller. All rolled in one with excellent direction and writing.
@inim deconstruction? lol, monogatari is like musoku tensei, garbage hyped up by its fans that really really want their garbage to be something special so they can feel less bad about liking garbage |
6 hours ago
#50
never. wath tenchi muyo or saber marionette j if you want a quality harem story |
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