| They are mostly keyboard warriors yelling at clouds. It's better to just ignore, even if they can be really annoying, toxic even, at times. Like you said, if someone doesn't watch something in a certain way, then why ridicule or act like a jerk towards people who actually do? It's rather something upsetting than hilarious or even slightly amusing, because you can easily imagine the very same people in other situations, acting in a similar manner (i.e. seething over someone picking up a different ice cream flavor that the seething person don't like themself). Or wait, they are mostly that bold on the Internet and only there, so ye, I take back my words. Their behavior ain't that much upsetting. ;p |
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| But dub haters cant stand themselves too. Otherwise they woudnt be pissed over the purity of another culture which they see as escape from their own bad life. |
| "Am I the only one who can't stand dub haters?" You are not the only one, buddy. |
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| Dubs watchers can't afford enjoying anime unless it's tampered down to accomodate their taste. With this in mind, it is clear why dubs watchers can't tolerate a different opinion and why such thread like are only created by dub watchers. |
| "Subs are no better too as I can't stand high pitched anime girl voices sometimes" What makes you think in dub the same girl's voice won't be as high-pitched? If its the case Id rather listen to it in the original voice and how it is meant to be - aka subs, rather than cringy english or whatever else language that its dubbed in. |
| Meanwhile, in another forum on the internet, someone else is ranting about why people even support dubs in the first place, lol |
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| Dubs are (as far as I have seen) universally shit and lower the scores of any shows that have them (this is why Frieren doesn't have a perfect 10/10), and I (and many others, I suspect) have had the displeasure of being forcefully exposed to them against my will, so it's only natural people are unhesitant to point that out. What I don't get is why we apparently need dub hater haters. Surely it would make more sense to attack the criticisms levied against dubs than the act of criticizing them itself. I think there's been too much "Let people enjoy things", now what we need is "Let people not enjoy (and accordingly criticize) things". Mattenan said: If you don't like dubs, why do you hate and trash on them. This was such a good question you had to sign it off with a period instead of a question mark. |
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| Yeah, I never understood the militantly hardcore sub only people. If that's how they want to watch everything and they'd prefer a closer experience to what the staff intended, that's fine, but they usually REEEE if they find anyone watching dubs. Foreign dubs can be a decent experience too, and dubs have improved a lot over the years. I watch most anime subbed, but I usually prefer comedy anime dubbed in english. It also allows me to multitask more because a lot of animation is so limited that if you see one frame, you've seen most of the scene from a visual standpoint and only need the dialogue. Granted, some dubs are really awful, and certain shows are best experienced subbed. The real problem is how localization is handled. Some of them are faithful to the original dialogue, but it's really hard to accept the American pop culture references in something as Japanese as Shin-chan. I even kind of like the Shin-chan dub voices otherwise, though. Works better with things that feel more westerny, like Cowboy Bebop or Monster. |
| LMAO Is it that bad? This silly thing really evokes the worst feelings within you? Why do you care? Why do you argue? It's pointless, just enjoy it the way you want & let others enjoy it the way they want. It's not hard, it's easy, breath in, breath out, you can do it. |
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Reply to Richard_drizzle
It only makes sense to watch anime in your native language.
| @Richard_drizzle I'm honestly not sure if even one single anime on list has been dubbed into my native language. Perhaps that's for the best. |
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| english might just be the only somewhat bearable dub language. and either way compared to japanese, every dub is shit. people who slap the "want to inculcate my own culture while watching anime" tag are just forcing themselves to look happy. |
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| I almost never care about dubs, but it's totally legit to hate them. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
| Dub-haters have no life. Why else would you care about that. Also I like some dubs more, when the female characters aren't so high-pitched. |
Reply to LittleOwlbear
Dub-haters have no life. Why else would you care about that.
Also I like some dubs more, when the female characters aren't so high-pitched.
Also I like some dubs more, when the female characters aren't so high-pitched.
| @LittleOwlbear "You have opinion on thing? Clearly, you have no life. Also here's my opinion on thing" Thank you for that. |
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Reply to kutuya
@LittleOwlbear "You have opinion on thing? Clearly, you have no life. Also here's my opinion on thing"
Thank you for that.
Thank you for that.
| @kutuya There is obviously a difference in "no I don't like X, I prefer Y" or the senseless hatred on dubs you can often witness online. |
| It's not a hate thing, it's just that dubs are vastly inferior 99% of the time to subs. I don't understand why a person would pick to watch the dubbed version rather than the original, unless they have a condition that won't allow them to read subs. So, my problem isn't with the dub watchers, but with the dub which is soulless most of the time. |
| Don't worry, aside from they themselves, no one takes those guys seriously, even 90% of the people who never watch dubs consider them losers. The truth of the matter is that the vast majority of anime fans aren't dub or sub exclusive watchers. most people switch from show to show. |
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| you don't have to stand anyone. its the internet. there are numerous people with variety of opinions and perspectives. there's really nothing you can do except if you believe in something just stand firm on your belief and refrain from partaking in mindless arguments with strangers as it gains you nothing absolutely nothing except maybe rage if you allow the stranger that authority over you. if you want to exchange thoughts just remember to take nothing personal and that everyone has variety of views on things based on thier own knowledge and experience up to that moment. protect yourself online. more than 90 percent of these arguers and keyboard warriors won't be able to speak the same things to anyone face to face. |
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| I don’t actually mind dubs. People who hate dubs though, I don’t know, maybe they should be more open minded. |
| I wish I had the problems you have. I really do. |
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| We are on a site dedicated to watching anime. No, I do not think you are the only one. There are so many people who agree with you that it is uncountable. |
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Reply to LittleOwlbear
@kutuya
There is obviously a difference in "no I don't like X, I prefer Y" or the senseless hatred on dubs you can often witness online.
There is obviously a difference in "no I don't like X, I prefer Y" or the senseless hatred on dubs you can often witness online.
| @LittleOwlbear Yes, one is a preference while the other is a qualitative assessment. You can probably guess which one interests me more. |
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| I don't get it. Sub elitists will say that dubs are fake, and you have to watch sub to get the "true experience." But if you watch sub, YOU'RE STILL WATCHING IT IN ENGLISH (or whatever language it's subbed in). The only way to get the "true experience" would be to understand Japanese. They're pretty dumb imo. |
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Reply to Akutsun
I don't get it. Sub elitists will say that dubs are fake, and you have to watch sub to get the "true experience." But if you watch sub, YOU'RE STILL WATCHING IT IN ENGLISH (or whatever language it's subbed in). The only way to get the "true experience" would be to understand Japanese. They're pretty dumb imo.
| @Akutsun Incredible. You're losing against your won strawman by getting hung up on semantics. If you just substitute "true" for "more authentic", which is what the strawman obviously meant, your entire rebuttal falls apart. You do raise a valid point in regards to the problem with dubs I previously pointed out also existing for subs though... but obviously the vast majority of people outside Japan do not understand Japan so they are a necessary evil. Dubs are both less necessary, since far fewer people actually need them, and more evil, since they actually supplant the original dialogue instead of just overlaying some text on screen that can easily be covered up (or just turned off in the case of soft-subs) to get the raw experience. I believe raw is strictly superior in all cases, unfortunately it is much harder to native English speakers to learn one of, if not the hardest language for them to learn just to watch anime "better" than it is to just get them to read while watching. |
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| Anime dubs are very good. I am surprised anyone even bothers with subbed anime. |
| @animegamer245 mal users are always special and unique snowflakes |
| There are cases like Animatrix where in the dub the characters are voiced by the peopel who orginaly portrayed them |
| i dont really care.. i watch jap ver also the dub ver.. imo jap better but dubs also good in some animes.. like DBZ DBS.. overall i like both sub n dub.. |
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| "All anime is dubbed" -C.S. Lewis (probably) |
Reply to ShatteredSans
You're definitely not the only one. People who make hating English dubs a large part of their personality are probably some of the most annoying people in the anime community. They can even be more annoying than obsessive powerscalers and shippers at times.
| @ShatteredSans Literally not one single person on Earth fits that description. |
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Reply to Adnash
They are mostly keyboard warriors yelling at clouds. It's better to just ignore, even if they can be really annoying, toxic even, at times. Like you said, if someone doesn't watch something in a certain way, then why ridicule or act like a jerk towards people who actually do? It's rather something upsetting than hilarious or even slightly amusing, because you can easily imagine the very same people in other situations, acting in a similar manner (i.e. seething over someone picking up a different ice cream flavor that the seething person don't like themself). Or wait, they are mostly that bold on the Internet and only there, so ye, I take back my words. Their behavior ain't that much upsetting. ;p
| @Adnash Dude, if you consume dub, you are consuming a processed product. Seiyuu in Japan are cast on a more professional level and their original voices are the actual voices of the characters. Just watch this video, just don’t lie that the Russian version is better: https://youtube.com/shorts/dQ41betwD1Y?si=ZkuBXqaIqnAR_qrB |
Reply to Akutsun
I don't get it. Sub elitists will say that dubs are fake, and you have to watch sub to get the "true experience." But if you watch sub, YOU'RE STILL WATCHING IT IN ENGLISH (or whatever language it's subbed in). The only way to get the "true experience" would be to understand Japanese. They're pretty dumb imo.
| @Akutsun Of course it is. But all things being equal, it is more convenient to show in subtitles the translation that is closest to the original. Not all original phrases that are translated can be voiced with high quality. For example, a character's line may be very long, longer than in the original. Also, additional information is often marked in subtitles |
Reply to ShatteredSans
You're definitely not the only one. People who make hating English dubs a large part of their personality are probably some of the most annoying people in the anime community. They can even be more annoying than obsessive powerscalers and shippers at times.
| @ShatteredSans ShatteredSans said: powerscalers What is this word? Did you make him up? |
Reply to Swyzen
@Adnash Dude, if you consume dub, you are consuming a processed product. Seiyuu in Japan are cast on a more professional level and their original voices are the actual voices of the characters.
Just watch this video, just don’t lie that the Russian version is better: https://youtube.com/shorts/dQ41betwD1Y?si=ZkuBXqaIqnAR_qrB
Just watch this video, just don’t lie that the Russian version is better: https://youtube.com/shorts/dQ41betwD1Y?si=ZkuBXqaIqnAR_qrB
| @Swyzen Yeah, and so what if I consume a processed product once in a while? I do whatever I find fun. If you wanna be so genuine and loyal to the original product, then watch it without subs at all, on official Japanese platform, and without any fanmade additions explaining stuff typical to Japanese culture. Same goes with video games and movies - experience them without subs, with their original dubbing. If you detest official foreign releases, then that's the best way to experience them. About the video you have shared, both voices sound fine and have similar modulation. So they are perfectly fine. Every country has good and bad voice actors. Same goes with Japan, even though most of seiyuus are good and skilled, due to how high are the seiyuu standards in Japan. |
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| I agree. Although I watch a lot of anime in dubbed, I don’t mind watching subbed either if there isn’t any dubbed available. |
Reply to Kokofish
I agree. Although I watch a lot of anime in dubbed, I don’t mind watching subbed either if there isn’t any dubbed available.
| @Kokofish I rarely watch anime dubbed, but I like to watch anime like that once in a while, even if, in general, I prefer subbed versions. |
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| The blanket hate for non-Japanese dubs is just another preference despite what they’d have you believe. They’re just not worth feeling strongly about in any way. |
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| And I can't stand dubs enjoyers. See you |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| Sir, you created this thread thanks to my comment and right after you insulted me -which you forgot to say so your question is ironic- for having an opinion. First, learn what free of speech is, seriously. Second, I don't respect Dub VAs especially English VAs since besides they never worked with the creators of the Anime, they also don't take their work seriously unlike Japanese VAs adding they censor scenes in the dub. Toching the original work is bad, the Japanese language is beautiful. When I watch Anime, I want to watch something different, dub ruins the experience. I don't need to mention some English VAs insert their political ideology in the dub (maid dragon dub for example) and refuse to give voice to "non-white" characters even though the majority of anime characters are non-white (Chad from Bleach for example). Don't expect me to like say nice about tourists and lazy people. So I'll repeat myself. Dubs are evil and disrespectful. Watching dub is not watching Anime properly, in fact its not watching Anime at all. It's like watching Anime at fast or slow speed, skipping scenes or put an episodes at the background without looking at it and less paying attention. |
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| Dub Haters/Sub Elitists have to be some of the most annoying people in the Western fandom for Japanese anime. As someone who used to be one for a brief period there are a few lines of logic they tend to use to hate on them, most of which are kind of silly and closeminded. One line of logic they tend to use is the authenticity argument, that by watching with a dub, you aren't getting the most accurate experience to the original Japanese. In some ways this can be seen as true, since everyone has a different actor (for the most part), the direction might be a little different, and lines tend to be tweaked a bit to fit lip flaps as that is something that is considered very important for casual viewers in the west. However, a lot of these people fail to realize that subtitle tracks also aren't truly authentic as they have their own limitations to work with. Character per line and second limits are a priority, as if too much text is on screen at once, the viewer may not be able to keep up. This can lead to dialogue having to be truncated and some information lost. Things will inevitably always get lost in translation anyways, so the only way to truly have an authentic experience is to watch Raw after having studied the Japanese language. A lot of these people also tend to miss out on the point that sometimes the subtitle tracks may not be the best localization available. A great example would be Dr.Stone, which inconsistently translates character catchphrases and cuts out some of the speech quirks the various characters possess in the official subtitles. Meanwhile the dub is closer to the manga's English localization which does keep catchphrases consistent and character speech quirks intact from the Japanese version. Another great example would be comedy shows, as the subtitles can possibly kill comedic timing since you may read faster than a character speaks, whereas when watching dubbed there is no real risk of that happening. Another line of logic they tend to use is fear of changes from the original. This is probably rooted in patterns that were present in older dubs produced mostly between the 80s and mid 2000s, where shows would be edited down in their English version to air on Kids TV. This practice is pretty much dead in the modern day, with 4Kids having went under in 2012 and their production assets being acquired by Konami. These days some of the only Japanese anime that release with edited dubs are the Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Beyblade franchises. Some of these people who already had a bias against dubs also fell for some grifters back in 2016-2017 who were pushing that dubs were "woke" and "Pushing an agenda" due to some jokes in comedy dubs that they got offended by. It's kind of led to a politicization of the hatred of English dubs and has slowly evolved into a hatred of localization as a whole with these sub elitists. Comedy dubs tend to generally need to be looser since comedy is the hardest thing to translate between languages and generally needs heavy modification to work, so modifying jokes is kind of necessary in order for them to work, but a lot of these people don't understand that and will use a few jokes in comedy dubs to paint all dubs as heavily modifying scripts and "being political". Something a lot of these people tend to ignore is how dubbing is more than just an alternative form of localizing a show, it is an accessibility tool. Dubs can be really helpful for people who may have visual impairments, dyslexia, or other similar conditions that may make reading subtitles extremely difficult or impossible. If people who have these conditions don't know Japanese at a fluent level, without dubs they may not be able to watch shows that their friends, family, or coworkers recommend, or shows that they find that seem interesting to them. They should be able to watch these shows too, and if dubs allow them to watch, that is something that should be accepted and understood. In regards to character voices there's a few comments I have to make in regards to that. A lot of people in regards to viewing media tend to have an Anchoring Bias with a primacy effect, wherein the first option they experience tends to be the one they remember the most fondly and paints how they view alternative options of the same piece of media. In the modern age when Japanese anime can be watched in Japanese hours after they originally air instead of having to wait months or years, people tend to experience the Japanese version first. In the modern age, even with "simuldubs" they can be a few weeks behind the Japanese version which can lead to people watching the dub later if they ever watch it at all. This can lead to instances of "oh, this character sounds weird" or "this character sounds bad in English", where if you watched the dub first you may have the opposite reaction towards the Japanese version. A great example of this can be seen with the whiplash dub watchers had checking out Dragon Ball Super. The show took over a year and a half to get dubbed into English, so some dub fans bit the bullet and tried watching in Japanese which led to a lot of confusion over Goku having a "grandma voice". You can even see this sort of bias in dub viewers in regards to recasts such as when Broly's English voice switched from Vic Mignogna to Johnny Yong Bosch in the Dragon Ball video games, or the initial backlash Persona 3 Reload faced when it was announced that new actors would be providing the English voices for all the characters. This sort of bias for what we perceive as "the original" can taint our perception of alternate takes even if they are solid, and this is probably what many sub viewers experience when watching dubbed. A lot of sub viewers are also not fluent in Japanese, which can lead to them not being able to pick up on flaws if they are present in the original audio, whereas they may be able to do so in a dubbed version in a language they can understand fluently. TLDR: Dub haters tend to be pretty annoying and use arguments that are a little silly and are used to justify their personal biases without regards for others preferences or ability. What got me out out of this elitist mindset, besides my own personal circumstances that led to my worldview changing, was giving some dubs a chance and watching them with poeple. I got my younger brother interested in shows like One Punch Man and My Hero Academia by watching them dubbed with him, I watched a bunch of obscure Dragon Ball dubs to study the differences between them and the Japanese version, I rewatched some nostalgic dubs that I knew had major flaws and just tried to enjoy them like when I was a kid, and I even played some Japanese video games dubbed on my second playthrough. All these experiences are very memorable to me and can probably be helpful to break someone out of a close minded extreme view of "all dub is bad". |
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