| Just to be clear, by "male ecchi" I mean the people getting nude and stuff are dudes, and by "for men" I mean for heterosexual men as well as gay men and maybe even the men of the wo variety (although they are not the subject of this thread). I got to thinking about why I just don't give any shits about yaoi. The obvious answer is because not only do I generally speaking dislike romance, I also don't find men sexually attractive, but I think there may also be a less obvious answer which is, I am not the target audience. I have only been exposed to a couple of yaoi series but extrapolating from those impressions, the problems of why I don't like it go deeper than "don't like seeing guys kiss", the very presentation and building blocks of the story, the character dynamics etc. are at odds with what I want (I realize this is a massive generalization but this is just my impression, I am not necessarily saying it is objectively true). So basically what I am saying is its not just the ingredients that matter, its how you use them. But, for me the interesting question is, could you actually make male ecchi work for a "general" male audience? It doesn't have to be yaoi, it doesn't even have to be all male ecchi, it just has to be a substantial aspect of the show. I honestly think you could make it work. For example, imagine this, 3 girls, 3 boys, they like each other in pairs of 2 but none of them seem to be able to get a date going, so one of the girls decides to infiltrate the boy group while pretending to be a boy herself, and shenanigans ensue :) First of all I think it would be an extremely funny premise to have the crossdresser react to the dumb ideas that the boys have while they have their guard down, and just generally try to contain her horniness as male ecchi shenanigans ensue. And of course, once in a while you can flip the script. Lets say one day the boys want to go to the beach, but obviously the crossdresser can't wear a bra otherwise her cover will be blown, thankfully she is flat enough to pass for a guy... but still XD Idk, I would watch that :) What do you think? |
| hajime no ippo and blue lock usually have bathing scenes of naked males and those anime are popular for male fans too |
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hajime no ippo and blue lock usually have bathing scenes of naked males and those anime are popular for male fans too
| @deg Blue lock is actually what got me to make this thread lol Don't remember anything from Hajime no ippo that was all that spicy, but in blue lock they just straight up show bare twink ass every now and then and you know, I don't hate it is all imma say. I think there's potentially an untapped ecchi vein here :) |
| You've obviously never watched/read Golden Kamuy |
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You've obviously never watched/read Golden Kamuy
| @billybub If you think that you would be extremely wrong, and for the record golden kamuy is in my top 20 anime at the very least, though not for the "male ecchi". It did cross my mind to mention it, but what I was gonna say is, golden kamuy certainly has some male nudity (well, nothing explicit but more than most) but to me as a straight male it does not really feel sexual ya know? Like idk, it just feels funny or neutral. For that reason I am not sure if I would count it as "male ecchi for men" even if it might have gone to my masturbation folder if I were a woman. But yeah, at the very least golden kamuy shows you can do male nudity tastefully for a general anime audience. |
| You just described the 80's movies with all these guys who constantly bared their chests for no particular reason or had a hot muscular body, because it was assumed that any tough guy, even if he is a lone road-riding criminal, takes care of his body like a fitness professional trainer. I don’t see anything wrong with this, it was simply a reaction to women’s obvious interest in male content due to the frequent appearance of spectacular and cool male movie stars there. Just like years later, Sailor Moon would become a hit among teenage boys due to its attractive all-female cast. |
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| I don't think so. I don't watch Baywatch for David Hasselhoff. I watch it for the chicks. And now I'll have to go to confession because the concupiscence is kicking in. |
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| are you a fan of wrestling and boxing? lots of naked men there too but its not gay and as the other user said its GAR |
| I mean, if you're a straight man then the appeal of male ecchi wouldn't tickle anything inside you. It'd be like looking at other dudes in gym locker rooms or sth. And the entire appeal of ecchi comes from being sexually aroused, so I don't think it could work for a male audience. Men would just treat it like they treat anime with buff men like Jojo or Hokuto no Ken. |
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I don't think so. I don't watch Baywatch for David Hasselhoff. I watch it for the chicks. And now I'll have to go to confession because the concupiscence is kicking in.
| @Theo1899 I think in live action it would be way harder to pull off, but in anime you can design these androgynous characters that maybe are not sexually attractive, but equally do leave the door open a little bit. Another point, like I described in my OP, its a matter of framing and presentation. I think a baywatch type show that is just about looking at dadario run in slow mo while her boobs are swinging wildly (I assume that is what happens in baywatch, I have never actually seen it lol) would not work if you reverse the sexxes (atleast for a male audience). But maybe there's a way you could make it work, like say with my crossdresser infiltrator idea or something else. |
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are you a fan of wrestling and boxing? lots of naked men there too but its not gay and as the other user said its GAR
| @deg I am not. I don't really care about naked men, ecchi is not just about being naked, its about shenanigans :) And in any case, the point of this thread was to theorise about how you would make male ecchi for a general male audience. |
Do you think male ecchi for men could work as a concept? Depends on the extent and the target audience. |
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I mean, if you're a straight man then the appeal of male ecchi wouldn't tickle anything inside you. It'd be like looking at other dudes in gym locker rooms or sth. And the entire appeal of ecchi comes from being sexually aroused, so I don't think it could work for a male audience. Men would just treat it like they treat anime with buff men like Jojo or Hokuto no Ken.
| @SimplyBrazen I hear ya, and I have seen what you are saying in practice watching something like golden kamuy, but I think with the right framing, maybe there's something to it. Like lets say you have a male ecchi scene where a twink is getting his dick rated by a girl, and there's some male nudity involved, but also the reactions from the girl. I personally think there is some interest in this scene even for a straight male. I think especially if we limit ourselves to androgynous twink males, no yaoi, and some female interaction you can make something that is at least intriguing somehow. Idk, I don't really have an example to point to and say "it worked there" but I can sort of see it working. |
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@SimplyBrazen I hear ya, and I have seen what you are saying in practice watching something like golden kamuy, but I think with the right framing, maybe there's something to it. Like lets say you have a male ecchi scene where a twink is getting his dick rated by a girl, and there's some male nudity involved, but also the reactions from the girl. I personally think there is some interest in this scene even for a straight male. I think especially if we limit ourselves to androgynous twink males, no yaoi, and some female interaction you can make something that is at least intriguing somehow. Idk, I don't really have an example to point to and say "it worked there" but I can sort of see it working.
| @Anjuro Femboys are popular among straight males, so with that it can perhaps work. But then again, what makes a femboy appealing to straight men are their female characteristics, so can't say for sure if it counts as male ecchi at that point. While if it's just a normal sex scene with the focus being more on the dude, I feel men would get aroused more from imagining themselves in that male character's position rather than getting aroused from the actual male nudity, but you never know I guess. |
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| Series like free are for women and gay men. Straight men get disgusted by yaoi. It would never work. Yuri on ice got cancelled out of lack of profitibality. Catering to men and having ecchi males only is like writing a shoujo without pretty boys. Women do not want to see 5"2 indian janitor no matter how you spin it. Concord is a good example ofwhat happens when you alienate every demographic. Lol |
rohan121Sep 19, 9:20 AM
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Anjuro said: First of all I think it would be an extremely funny premise to have the crossdresser react to the dumb ideas that the boys have while they have their guard down, and just generally try to contain her horniness as male ecchi shenanigans ensue. And of course, once in a while you can flip the script. Lets say one day the boys want to go to the beach, but obviously the crossdresser can't wear a bra otherwise her cover will be blown, thankfully she is flat enough to pass for a guy... but still XD this is a funny premise but I don't think it would achieve the goal of "working for general male audience" simply cuz general straight male audience doesn't care for male fanservice like, the premise is fun and all; but if they gonna throw pictures of naked men bodies at me, it will affect my enjoyment negatively I could change my mind at the beach scene though, if the girl in question is good-looking enough |
| You could try reading a manga by Go Nagai. The dude is such a perv he even puts male protagonists into such scenes. |
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You just described the 80's movies with all these guys who constantly bared their chests for no particular reason or had a hot muscular body, because it was assumed that any tough guy, even if he is a lone road-riding criminal, takes care of his body like a fitness professional trainer. I don’t see anything wrong with this, it was simply a reaction to women’s obvious interest in male content due to the frequent appearance of spectacular and cool male movie stars there. Just like years later, Sailor Moon would become a hit among teenage boys due to its attractive all-female cast.
| @RobertBobert RobertBobert said: 6 of 18 primary or secondary characters in Sailor Moon are male, according to anidb. 33% males are "all-female"?Sailor Moon would become a hit among teenage boys due to its attractive all-female cast. |
inimSep 19, 10:54 AM
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| It does exist and it's called "barazoku" or shortened to "bara". Although it also incluides hentai. |
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@RobertBobert
RobertBobert said:
Sailor Moon would become a hit among teenage boys due to its attractive all-female cast.
6 of 18 primary or secondary characters in Sailor Moon are male, according to anidb. 33% males are "all-female"?Sailor Moon would become a hit among teenage boys due to its attractive all-female cast.
| @inim I know very well that now you just want to provoke me into a fight, but I will answer. Depends on the context in which we are talking about all-female. If we talk about the central cast, since SM is obviously not a lady land show, then the show essentially has only 1 significant male character who is not a villain, an anime original/side character, or someone’s relative. And no, an all-female show is not synonymous with a chromosomal female show where literally ALL the characters are female. @eblf2013 It would be rude to say that Bara is just all about ecchi with men for men. This is literally more authentic male gay content as opposed to the classic BL animanga that has been criticized by the Japanese gay community as being more focused on straight women. Just like josei yuri opposed itself to all moe bishoujo yuri. |
RobertBobertSep 19, 11:03 AM
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@inim I know very well that now you just want to provoke me into a fight, but I will answer. Depends on the context in which we are talking about all-female. If we talk about the central cast, since SM is obviously not a lady land show, then the show essentially has only 1 significant male character who is not a villain, an anime original/side character, or someone’s relative.
And no, an all-female show is not synonymous with a chromosomal female show where literally ALL the characters are female.
@eblf2013 It would be rude to say that Bara is just all about ecchi with men for men. This is literally more authentic male gay content as opposed to the classic BL animanga that has been criticized by the Japanese gay community as being more focused on straight women. Just like josei yuri opposed itself to all moe bishoujo yuri.
And no, an all-female show is not synonymous with a chromosomal female show where literally ALL the characters are female.
@eblf2013 It would be rude to say that Bara is just all about ecchi with men for men. This is literally more authentic male gay content as opposed to the classic BL animanga that has been criticized by the Japanese gay community as being more focused on straight women. Just like josei yuri opposed itself to all moe bishoujo yuri.
RobertBobert said: There's nothing to add to that genius definition. I rest my case.all-female show is not [...] ALL the characters are female. |
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RobertBobert said:
all-female show is not [...] ALL the characters are female.
There's nothing to add to that genius definition. I rest my case.all-female show is not [...] ALL the characters are female.
| @inim I had no doubt that you were just looking for a fight with me and would cling to words to develop it. But good for you, do as you please. |
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It does exist and it's called "barazoku" or shortened to "bara". Although it also incluides hentai.
| @eblf2013 That's not quite what I'm talking about here. I am about 99% sure Bara is aimed at gay men, at the very least, as a straight man I have less than 0 interest in Bara just based on looking at the covers. The question was more about "male ecchi for a general male anime audience", and like I have mentioned in the thread, it doesn't have to be yaoi necessarily i.e. it can be boy on girl action but the focus is on the man in this situation. |
and by "for men" I mean for heterosexual men Huh? For example, imagine this, 3 girls, 3 boys, they like each other in pairs of 2 but none of them seem to be able to get a date going, so one of the girls decides to infiltrate the boy group while pretending to be a boy herself, and shenanigans ensue :) First of all I think it would be an extremely funny premise to have the crossdresser react to the dumb ideas that the boys have while they have their guard down, and just generally try to contain her horniness as male ecchi shenanigans ensue. And of course, once in a while you can flip the script. Lets say one day the boys want to go to the beach, but obviously the crossdresser can't wear a bra otherwise her cover will be blown, thankfully she is flat enough to pass for a guy... but still XD Idk, I would watch that :) I mean I largely don't get why people would watch ecchi for comedy. It largely all sucks, and if I got control over ecchi anime, I would just make it borderline hentai, as that is frankly the only appeal of ecchi to me. The slapstick comedy bits, are usually the worst parts. Sure, I guess some straight guys could find Golden Kamuy's form of fanservice funny, though a whole show about that? Really? I don't see why a straight man, would be interested in a series focused on heavy male fanservice, unless it also had a good plot, and wasn't that heavily focused on it. I assume plenty of straight girls can enjoy KLK. If it's pure ecchi though, it's going to be for bisexual/gay men or straight/bi woman. I mean as a bisexual guy, I don't blame straight guys for not being interested in BL, because there needs to some appeal in the relationship dynamic, either emotionally or yeah sexually. Also male ecchi can work, Japan just needs to drop it's stupid censorship laws, already. @SimplyBrazen If you are attracted to femboys you ain't straight buddy. Femboy's aren't popular with straight males, more bicurious dudes deeply in the closet. Sexuality is fluid, you can just be attracted to highly feminine presenting individuals however, any truly straight dude, would be horrified by looking at any dude, even a highly fem dude, in any sort of sexually charged way. When I was deep in the closet, I also said this to myself lol. |
BilboBaggins365Sep 19, 1:43 PM
| Does it end up sexualizing feminity with male characters instead? Like Himegoto? Cuz I've got to say it's not the most progressive anime out there... |
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| Isn't this already exist? In special talking about some battle shonen anime. Just look all the muscular guys from anime like Dragon Ball, Fairy tail, and many others boxing or fighting anime. The fanservice is there, it is just as a man you will not give the same attention as see a woman with big boba. More than that we are entering on Bara territory that a big part is hentai. Or on the other side that bishonen that is target for woman. |
| Maybe if it was a wrestling anime but st8 bros would still prefer watching girls wrestling than guys anyway. I've never liked yaoi or any portrayal of buff mens in anime it just seems comical to me. Androgynous and traps are much more fun. So an anime with Astolfo and Felix getting naked, give me that plz and I'd probably stop watching all other anime and would only watch that. |
| It's surprising how most people in this thread didn't even understand the question, Blue Lock and Hajime no Ippo are not "male ecchi". No, it wouldn't work for the "general" male audience as most people watching would be women or gay men, and that still could have a separation like if you are looking for regular bishounen or bara, nothing stops it from being made and surely there are series out there like that, but what you're saying sounds more like normal ecchi, a girl crossdresser going topless to the beach is more a "regular" ecchi plot than it would be a "male ecchi" plot. If anything, I expected OP to ask for something more akin to To Love-ru but with guys instead of girls. |
| Well I started my anime journey with anime like Ranma ½ and city hunter, lupin so they they might work. |
| I'm a gay male. It depends of the male person tastes. I don't like Golden Kamuy fanservice but I love Blue Lock or Free! fanservice for example. I generally prefer fanservice with bishounen guys and I only like muscular guys if they have a pretty face like Rensuke Kunigami. Considering I'm short, I tend to prefer guys of the same height taller than me (not always anyways since after many years, I found many hot guys shorter than me). It's a false belief that bara was "made" for gay men, that it was made for people with a specific taste like overly muscular men, body hair, facial hair. I don't like the face of most bara men. I found ironic yaoi sometimes is criticized since it shows bishounen characters when men in yaoi are more realistic than bara men. Bara refuses to change over the years while Yaoi is more open to it. Yaoi is not the same it used to be 10 years ago. Many gay men are Yaoi fans. So answering your question. For me, there's no such thing as male ecchi "for men". There isn't difference between male ecchi for female and male ecchi for men. Male ecchi is going to appeal to anyone who likes it mostly straight/bi females and bi/gay men. Renai Flops for example is the most recent tagged ecchi shows where it contains male ecchi. So, as it will work with straight/bi females and bi/gay men but not with the rest. |
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