| Has music become a race to the bottom, formulaic and trite? Is there too much emphasis now on creating something that hopefully goes 'viral' on social media? Or did this sentiment always exist? Who are the greats of this century? How do they compare to the greats of last century? Someone at work today told me Billie Eilish was the best artist of this century so far. How do you feel about this? Look at the top 50 songs in your countries music charts right now. Look at the top 50 in the 80s and 90s. Do you feel there is a decline in quality? If you feel music has gone downhill and is declining in quality and ambition, why do you think that is? I see Youtube comments that say "wow I wish I grew up in the 80s, their music was the best" - why is this generations music not as fulfilling? We have so many more ways of accessing music now. Give your views on the current music scene. Is there hope? Is it doomed? Are we in a freefall? |
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| no. and to those who think otherwise; listen to more music. please. this thought never lasts anyways. |
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| There's always going to be good music coming out, but there will also be lot of garbage as it increasingly becomes easier for people to produce it and produce more of it quickly. |
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| No just hip hop / rap been in the gutter since the late 90s Billie just low Budget lilly Allen tell them to GTFO |
| Popular music appeals to the lowest common denominator, ie the masses. If you care about music, don't worry about what's popular. There are millions of albums (and EPs and singles) out there of every imaginable variety. xfwm4 said: no. and to those who think otherwise; listen to more music. please. this thought never lasts anyways. Thank you. If anything, music is only getting better because there is so much more of it in existence now, with an ever-expanding library of new genres. It's just that some of the better stuff takes effort to even find. Props to having Ghost Hound on your favorites! |
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| Oh my, every decade the previous decades criticize music. |
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| i feel like this is a generation gap thing its just modern music suits young generation and not the old generation |
| Everything is going downhill, not only music. |
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| On average, yes. Or more accurately, it has gone downhill. Long ago. Music being listened to less from love of it than from unability to bear silence. Religious festivals degenerating into profane parties. The spreading of the idea that the quality of a work of art is "subjective", and of the idea that art ultimately consists in "expressing yourself". The disappearance of an authentic intellectual elite, and its substitution by ordinary people with university degrees. Music being said that "it's a banger", or that "it slaps", and the like. The excessive prestige and wealth that can be obtained by a singer, which seduces many who weren't born for music into wanting to become one. Thankfully, exceptions are many. |
JustOscar said: The spreading of the idea that the quality of a work of art is "subjective", Of course art is subjective, as there is no objective standard and everyone will perceive it differently. The very notion of art being objective is preposterous. Art is not a boring mathematical equation; it is a glorious expression of creativity born from the highly subjective processes of each artist, in turn processed by the highly subjective perceptual mechanisms known as individual human beings who interact with it. It's really only specific aspects that are objective. and of the idea that art ultimately consists in "expressing yourself". That's kind of what art has always been. (That doesn't mean there isn't more to it.) The disappearance of an authentic intellectual elite, and its substitution by ordinary people with university degrees. Because all the smart people vanished, so now no one can create "true" art. lol... Music being said that "it's a banger", or that "it slaps", and the like. That has more to do with the lazy nature of social media users. If you want more intelligent commentary on music, you can always read formal reviews. However, the vast majority of music fans care about listening to the music, not writing (or even reading) fancy articles about it. The excessive prestige and wealth that can be obtained by a singer, which seduces many who weren't born for music into wanting to become one. It's exceedingly rare for a musician to become rich. Nearly all musicians make little to no money from music. It boggles the mind how little even some famous ones make. Even among wealthy musicians, most of that wealth came from other ventures. Even when I performed music with celebrities, I never got paid a penny; in some cases I had to pay for the privilege. As for being "born for music"...I'm not sure how that would work. |
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| All songs I try to listen to randomly (popular or not) sound the same to me. Rap is not even rap anymore it's just autotune and excessive mumbling; Rock is practically non-existent outside of some popular bands like Maneskin, whose songs are literally all the same and they couldn't even be any more basic (Japan has great rock music, but it's arguably the only country that still tries); Pop is terrible as it has always been tbh, not much has changed from the early 2000's. And then you have Albanian music. It all sounds like 12 year olds sampling random beats and drinking 3 cans of beers to come up with the worst, recycled lyrics the world has ever heard. Weirdly enough, people still enjoy it, too much... Sad said: Someone at work today told me Billie Eilish was the best artist of this century so far. How do you feel about this? Her music is the reason Beethoven went deaf. |
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| Yes 100%. Billie Eilish is mid as hell. She does have a handful of good songs though, but for every 1 good song, she has about 5 forgettable snoozers. Finneas is an overrated producer as well, not interesting production at all. I blame stoned out Californians with shit taste who gaslight the world into thinking that she's good. It's a shame most of Anglophonic pop culture is centered around LA nowadays. But even more terrible than her imo is Harry Styles. I blame him for popularizing that tacky retro synth sound that's been so overdone over the last few years (at least The Weeknd made it cool). Although Lizzo is a shallow terrible human being, even she pulled it off better! Whenever I hear As It Was or Music from a Sushi Restaurant, I want to stab both of my eardrums out. Again, it's what stoned out TikTokers from LA think good funk music is. |
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JustOscar said:
The spreading of the idea that the quality of a work of art is "subjective",
The spreading of the idea that the quality of a work of art is "subjective",
Of course art is subjective, as there is no objective standard and everyone will perceive it differently. The very notion of art being objective is preposterous. Art is not a boring mathematical equation; it is a glorious expression of creativity born from the highly subjective processes of each artist, in turn processed by the highly subjective perceptual mechanisms known as individual human beings who interact with it. It's really only specific aspects that are objective.
and of the idea that art ultimately consists in "expressing yourself".
That's kind of what art has always been. (That doesn't mean there isn't more to it.)
The disappearance of an authentic intellectual elite, and its substitution by ordinary people with university degrees.
Because all the smart people vanished, so now no one can create "true" art. lol...
Music being said that "it's a banger", or that "it slaps", and the like.
That has more to do with the lazy nature of social media users. If you want more intelligent commentary on music, you can always read formal reviews. However, the vast majority of music fans care about listening to the music, not writing (or even reading) fancy articles about it.
The excessive prestige and wealth that can be obtained by a singer, which seduces many who weren't born for music into wanting to become one.
It's exceedingly rare for a musician to become rich. Nearly all musicians make little to no money from music. It boggles the mind how little even some famous ones make. Even among wealthy musicians, most of that wealth came from other ventures.
Even when I performed music with celebrities, I never got paid a penny; in some cases I had to pay for the privilege.
As for being "born for music"...I'm not sure how that would work.
| @SmugSatoko With all due respect, SmugSatoko, but only 20 minutes passed since I published my reply and you replied to me. I don't think you have spent enough time thinking about what I said. Maybe that's why you misunderstood me. That's understandable; it's your time, after all. But understand that I don't want to spend too much of my time talking with a person who has no intention of listening attentively to what I say. To be honest with you, I have no intention of listening to you either. You are not interested in what I have to say; I am not interested in what you have to say. We can spare ourselves a fruitless conversation. PS: If you want (I hope you don't) to interpret this as a "concession of defeat", I won't stop you. |
JustOscar said: With all due respect, SmugSatoko, but only 20 minutes passed since I published my reply and you replied to me. I don't think you have spent enough time thinking about what I said. Maybe that's why you misunderstood me. That's understandable; it's your time, after all. But understand that I don't want to spend too much of my time talking with a person who has no intention of listening attentively to what I say. To be honest with you, I have no intention of listening to you either. You are not interested in what I have to say; I am not interested in what you have to say. We can spare ourselves a fruitless conversation. PS: If you want (I hope you don't) to interpret this as a "concession of defeat", I won't stop you. You have no basis for accusing me of not wanting to listen to what you said. I responded precisely to what you said, line by line. I don't need to sit there for hours pondering it. (Especially when I have decades of experience with music.) If you think I misinterpreted you, you are free to clarify. But this isn't about either of us; it's about the truth. |
SmugSatokoToday, 12:19 AM
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| Lol taking music charts seriously. Music charts just represent stuff people find fun to listen to not something inherently high quality, it is more what appeals to a larger number of people. What is good is more something subjective and you couldnt find on charts like that. |
| I don't know how to quantify the "quality and ambition" of music, but it feels like anime music has been going uphill until now. English 80s music is still peak though. |
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JustOscar said:
With all due respect, SmugSatoko, but only 20 minutes passed since I published my reply and you replied to me. I don't think you have spent enough time thinking about what I said. Maybe that's why you misunderstood me. That's understandable; it's your time, after all. But understand that I don't want to spend too much of my time talking with a person who has no intention of listening attentively to what I say. To be honest with you, I have no intention of listening to you either. You are not interested in what I have to say; I am not interested in what you have to say. We can spare ourselves a fruitless conversation.
PS: If you want (I hope you don't) to interpret this as a "concession of defeat", I won't stop you.
With all due respect, SmugSatoko, but only 20 minutes passed since I published my reply and you replied to me. I don't think you have spent enough time thinking about what I said. Maybe that's why you misunderstood me. That's understandable; it's your time, after all. But understand that I don't want to spend too much of my time talking with a person who has no intention of listening attentively to what I say. To be honest with you, I have no intention of listening to you either. You are not interested in what I have to say; I am not interested in what you have to say. We can spare ourselves a fruitless conversation.
PS: If you want (I hope you don't) to interpret this as a "concession of defeat", I won't stop you.
You have no basis for accusing me of not wanting to listen to what you said. I responded precisely to what you said, line by line. I don't need to sit there for hours pondering it. (Especially when I have decades of experience with music.)
If you think I misinterpreted you, you are free to clarify. But this isn't about either of us; it's about the truth.
| @SmugSatoko When I take a decision, I take it based on what I think has the highest probability of being true. Maybe I am wrong, maybe you think I am wrong, but I take my decision based on it. I think you don't want to listen to me, even if you think you want. I repeat, maybe I am wrong. I still take my decision based on it. Exactly, it's about the truth. And when it comes to finding truth, I think our time, both yours and mine, could be better spent. You do whatever you want with yours. I will do whatever I want with mine. |
| Yes 9 out top 10 monthly hits are just raps and pops.. Even pops are just heavily feat by rap so I always wondering Whatever happened to other genres and what they need to do, to get in the top 10? |
| From the technical aspects, music has been going downhill ever since the change was made from 432Hz to 440Hz. The former is better for the health. But outside of that, nothing is new under the sun. The type of "modern" music that we hear now has been existing for over a century. If you want a complete change from that, you'd have to look into traditional folk songs and classical music from before the 20th century |
| I live in the best era of music so far. |
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no. and to those who think otherwise; listen to more music. please. this thought never lasts anyways.
xfwm4 said: no. and to those who think otherwise; listen to more music. please. this thought never lasts anyways. Suppose the “artistic creativity in music specifically has no limit, I yet still listen to old music. The modern music? I don’t bother looking for. You may blame it on my age (42). Apparently, the older I get, the picky on music I be. Or perhaps indeed music went downhill, and music will never be like before. |
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From the technical aspects, music has been going downhill ever since the change was made from 432Hz to 440Hz. The former is better for the health.
But outside of that, nothing is new under the sun. The type of "modern" music that we hear now has been existing for over a century. If you want a complete change from that, you'd have to look into traditional folk songs and classical music from before the 20th century
But outside of that, nothing is new under the sun. The type of "modern" music that we hear now has been existing for over a century. If you want a complete change from that, you'd have to look into traditional folk songs and classical music from before the 20th century
| @Noboru That isnt quite how it went down. There wasnt really a standard tuning originally and there was a lot of competing standards once standards were coming around I heard they kept raising the frequency because it makes the music sound more exciting to the listener and the French stopped it at A435 to not outdo opera singers like some tunings such as A451 but then it was later brought up slightly more to A440 by International Organization for Standardization I guess to make it an even number. Also not all music is A440 orchestras still use different tunings all the time. There also likely isnt much special about A432 vs similar tunings like supposedly baroque was around A415 tuning but i cant confirm this as historical it is just what musicians say they use . |
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| What are the examples of music nowdays? Coldplay, taylor swift, gangnam style, or even worse, like rap "music" (not music for me)? Give me VIP concert tickets for those and pay me $200, I still not tempted to watch I would gladly pay concert tickets for Yundi Li playing Chopin all ballades and preludes. Or watching Lugansky playing Rachmaninoff |
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@Noboru
That isnt quite how it went down. There wasnt really a standard tuning originally and there was a lot of competing standards once standards were coming around I heard they kept raising the frequency because it makes the music sound more exciting to the listener and the French stopped it at A435 to not outdo opera singers like some tunings such as A451 but then it was later brought up slightly more to A440 by International Organization for Standardization I guess to make it an even number. Also not all music is A440 orchestras still use different tunings all the time. There also likely isnt much special about A432 vs similar tunings like supposedly baroque was around A415 tuning but i cant confirm this as historical it is just what musicians say they use .
That isnt quite how it went down. There wasnt really a standard tuning originally and there was a lot of competing standards once standards were coming around I heard they kept raising the frequency because it makes the music sound more exciting to the listener and the French stopped it at A435 to not outdo opera singers like some tunings such as A451 but then it was later brought up slightly more to A440 by International Organization for Standardization I guess to make it an even number. Also not all music is A440 orchestras still use different tunings all the time. There also likely isnt much special about A432 vs similar tunings like supposedly baroque was around A415 tuning but i cant confirm this as historical it is just what musicians say they use .
| @traed Even if there wasn't a global standard before, 432Hz is much more in tune with the Schumann resonance. You are right the A440 is making the music sound more exciting and that is the original purpose of that shift: to agitate the masses more easily instead of keeping music as something to calm and heal their minds/spirits/souls |
| 80's and 90's were really the peak when it comes to music, movies, and TV series. Period. |
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| What I'll say is this recent trend of remixing old pop songs from 2000's is the shittiest music trend and I think David Guetta is to blame. I wanna stab my ears whenever my gym plays "I'm Good", aka a cringy ripoff of "I'm Blue" Generally music has become lazier, just look at how short songs have become, however that doesn't instantly make the song bad. It's all about personal taste. I used to believe music was subjective, but there's objectivity when you compare originality & skill, to pure laziness. There has definitely been a rise in laziness. |
| No, modern music is amazing, you just need to know where to look. |
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On average, yes. Or more accurately, it has gone downhill. Long ago.
Music being listened to less from love of it than from unability to bear silence. Religious festivals degenerating into profane parties. The spreading of the idea that the quality of a work of art is "subjective", and of the idea that art ultimately consists in "expressing yourself". The disappearance of an authentic intellectual elite, and its substitution by ordinary people with university degrees. Music being said that "it's a banger", or that "it slaps", and the like. The excessive prestige and wealth that can be obtained by a singer, which seduces many who weren't born for music into wanting to become one.
Thankfully, exceptions are many.
Music being listened to less from love of it than from unability to bear silence. Religious festivals degenerating into profane parties. The spreading of the idea that the quality of a work of art is "subjective", and of the idea that art ultimately consists in "expressing yourself". The disappearance of an authentic intellectual elite, and its substitution by ordinary people with university degrees. Music being said that "it's a banger", or that "it slaps", and the like. The excessive prestige and wealth that can be obtained by a singer, which seduces many who weren't born for music into wanting to become one.
Thankfully, exceptions are many.
JustOscar said: Music being said that "it's a banger", or that "it slaps", and the like. Of all the things wrong with modern music why would the slang merely meaning "it's good" would be a major talking point? |
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From the technical aspects, music has been going downhill ever since the change was made from 432Hz to 440Hz. The former is better for the health.
But outside of that, nothing is new under the sun. The type of "modern" music that we hear now has been existing for over a century. If you want a complete change from that, you'd have to look into traditional folk songs and classical music from before the 20th century
But outside of that, nothing is new under the sun. The type of "modern" music that we hear now has been existing for over a century. If you want a complete change from that, you'd have to look into traditional folk songs and classical music from before the 20th century
| @Noboru That's the most ridiculous poor quality "science" I have ever read. |
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@traed Even if there wasn't a global standard before, 432Hz is much more in tune with the Schumann resonance. You are right the A440 is making the music sound more exciting and that is the original purpose of that shift: to agitate the masses more easily instead of keeping music as something to calm and heal their minds/spirits/souls
| @Noboru Thing is the Earth's electromagnetic field isnt really constant plus it has interference from all the modern electronics and radio waves. Also 7.83Hz is far below any common musical tones and only has very weak harmonics in higher frequencies so A432 is unlikely related to the Shumann resonance. Looking it up five octaves higher is 250.56 ...this isnt any of the notes in A432 though C is somewhat close to it in this tuning. Anyway if i were to start making music id experiment with different tunings. |
| How can it go downhill if it was never any good to begin with? |
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How can it go downhill if it was never any good to begin with?
| @DesuMaiden Are you seriously arguing that music as an art form is bad? o.O |
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| I do think the problem with music now days is that there's no filter like a record company. There is completely amazing music but, because everyone can self publish on youtube. There's a ton of mediocre music that you have to dive through to get to a jem. When I was a kid there would be the top 100 songs every month. Now there's probably 10000 new songs every day. |
| That's always existed no matter of the times, is the same thing as saying "Before it was better" repeated by each generation no matter of the subject. Great of this century? I don't know, excluding Japanese stuff, I like Mrozu, Dawid Podsiadło, Daria Zawiałow, Ola Olszewska, Metastavy, Percival and so on. Last century? Not that interested nor remembering so I only think of Michael Jackson to be great, hard to compare an American singer with Polish/Czech/Other stuff I listen to. 50 charts of 2024 [found something in spotify, can't tell if all of them are from this year]: Dzięki że jesteś - I like that, I've heard that at radio already, added to playlist as I forgot about it Chyba że z tobą - Not my type of music BFF - I ain't liking Young Leosia whom is popular in nowadays Dziewczyno Piękna - It's fine Co w tobie jest - That's a nice one. Och i ach - That's a nice one, heard it few times in radio. Hero - I listen to that sometimes, so that's telling already. Palermo - It's ok Jolie Jolie - eeeeh autotune hip-hop ain't my things [excluding Tede whose songs hit good for drinking vodka] Jestem twoją bajką - It's good, if I am not mistaken it is in Polish movie - Mr. Blot's Academy which was quite popular. Motyle - it's decent, tho I think I know that beat already, so I suspect here some "inspiration" but I can't recall memories of what song was original. Samotność - Gibbs does good job and that's a good song Droga Pani - not my style 100 bpm - neutral było, minęło - I like it, already heard it in radio Bad Boy - that's the same type as Solo from Blanka which was not a good song for Eurovision 2022, I dislike it Genziara - dislike to jest to - it is ok hip hip hura - It is fine woda księżycowa - eeeh neutral b012 - it is fine supro - I like it dym - neutral byłominęło - I like it, Kwiat Jabłoni ain't dissapointing nie żałuję - it is ok Madison - I like that Madmuazel - ain't likin it wróć - it's fine such synthwave mixing with Wodecki song it is weird but it mixes well Tylko z nią - not a fan, tho with some vodka in night club it might have hit The door - not my thing [why at Polish chart is an American song btw?] Czerwone Łzy - That's gibbs, he ain't failing his tracks Byłe - that's discopolo, it is meant to be listened with vodka not for sober listening Nigdy wcześniej - I like that Retro - dislike Wejdę Wyjdę - dislike Moja miła - like On Me - neutral Tańcuje - neutral Miłość jest ślepa - I like it Tyrka - neutral/positive Całe lata - I ain't likin Taco's stuff even that Podsiadło is there too So hot - dislike Szum - I like that, similar style to Carole & Tuesday inserts Obca - neutral Nie Wypada - dislike Love Again - Neutral. Well there was already an American song, now it is Romanian singer x) Nie ma mnie - Gibbs means quality Sobota Wieczór - Leosia means that I won't stand that music Lecę bo Chcę - not only Leosia but also it is badly sped Wilki's song "Bohema" with bad hip hop, that's just a trash music. Wilki themselves are the legends of Polish music known abroad Przepraszam Pana - dislike 50 chart of 80s Kryzysowa Narzeczona - Like that, that's a classic, sang it at karaoke bar. Wehikuł czasu - classic, I like that, that's the regular song which people sing at karaoke bars. Tak tak to ja - neutral Arahja - Dislike Mury - Neutral Biała Armia - Classic, I like that Cykady na cykladach - classic, I like that, I like also the cover of Enej which is a modern one Mój jest ten kawałek podłogi - if not for the chorus I wouldn't like that, it is often played ex. when Polish Volleyball team plays as that's a known song Mniej niż zero - classic, nothing more to say. Chcemy być sobą - dislike Słodkiego miłego zycia - dislike Nie pytaj o Polskę - dislike Polska - neutral Zostawcie Titanica - neutral Wieża radości, wieża samotności - It's ok Kocham cię, Kochanie moje - Dislike Black and White - I think that's the only Combi song which I actually like Naiwne Pytania - I like that Autobiografia - Fine Dorosłe dzieci - dislike Wszystko czego dziś chcę - A classic, I like that, also cause Trojanowska was a female singer wearing a male suit there was a trend for women to dress up as her. Za ostatni grosz - dislike Ostatni raz zatańczysz ze mną - It is Krawczyk, not only a classic but a good singer, obviously I like that. Au, sza la la la - Eeeeh it sounds like a failed Polish Elvis Presley attempt Nasze Rendez-Vous - Dislike Whisky - That's the classical song which always someone plays with guitar and sing in front of campfire, obviously I like that and know the song. Nie płacz ewka - Classic, sang it along with my friends at karaoke bar nie ma wody na pustyni - dislike Nasz disneyland - dislike Zaopiekuj się mną - neutral Za tobą pójdę jak na bal - Krawczyk, this name is enough to say. W domach z betonu nie ma wolnej miłości - dislike dmuchawce, latawce, wiatr - neutral Jesteś lekiem na całe zło - dislike dwa serca, dwa smutki - neutral IV Liceum - neutral Niewiele ci mogę dać - neutral Odkryjemy miłość nieznaną - neutral śmierć w bikini - neutral byłaś serca biciem - I like that Luz - Blues, W niebie same dziury - dislike Skóra - dislike Chalupy welcome to - Wodecki song, that's enough to say. Harley mój - I like that. Mówię ci, że - It sounds alot like 80s anime openings [instrumental] I like it Ogrodu serce - dislike Stan pogody - neutral, sounds familiar it's like a slow Polish version of cosmo police justy opening Gdzie się podziały tamte prywatki - classic, neutral. Bananowy song - neutral Kombinat - Neutral 90s chart - there's 76 so gonna listen to first 50 Długość dzwięku samotności - classic, I've sung it alot of times at karaoke bar and I listen to it often Na co komu dziś - classic which I like Prawy do lewego - classic, a must to be put in a party Gdy nie ma dzieci - classic Co ty tutaj robisz - classic which I like alot, I'll need to try it someday at karaoke Kocham wolność - neutral Mamona - I like that 12 groszy - classic, neutral Warszawa - neutral Takie tango - classic, neutral Zawsze tam gdzie ty - Classic, I like it alot, sang it in karaoke bar and it is a must for the whole bar to join in chorus, it is a must. Baranek - neutral Nie stało się nic - Wilki, that's enough to tell. I've sung it too many times at karaoke bars. Moja i twoja nadzieja - neutral Kiler - I like that King - I like this Kropla deszczu - I like it Dumka na dwa serca - Classic, I didn't know that "Hej sokole, gromowładny, pytaj o mnie stepów, pytaj...." is that song, finally found it. [I always forget to search it, now it lands on my playlist a must for playlist] Kołysanka dla nieznajomej - I like that A wszystko to - Ich troje is just a classic Kocham cię jak Irlandię - neutral Ciągnik - It was a meme when I was at primary school, but I ain't likin it. Tho it is nostalgic to hear it. "Kupiłem czarny ciągnik, kupiłem czarny ciągnik..." Dzieci wybiegły - a classic which I like a lot List - neutral Kobiety są gorące - that's a classic hip-hop "Kobiety są aha aha, gorące..." Niepokonani - it is fine W dzień gorącego lata - classic which I like Śpij kochanie śpij - a classic which I like, and I also like a lot the Męskie granie 2022 cover Dziewczyna szamana - neutral Nadzieja - Neutral Jenny - I like that Ta sama chwila - dislike Teksanki - neutral Zanim zrozumiesz - neutral Son of the blue sky - That's wilki, that's quality. Sen o victorii - neutral Chłopaki nie płaczą - Classic, often seen in karaoke bars, and I like that Odchodząc - neutral Ostatni - neutral Eli lama Sabachtani - Wilki Bohema - Wilki, a classic over classics "Lecę bo chcę, lecę, bo życie jest złe..." Baśka - Wilki the top 1 of their classic I wszystko się może zdarzyć - I like that. Omg... the chant between verse and chorus I thought that it was an classical anime/american hit, never expected that it was from Polish song. Crazy is my life - that's a must for a party, obviously I like that. Tolerancja / Na miły bóg - neutral Nikt nikogo (i tak warto żyć) - neutral Moja baby - wilki. A to co mam - I like that. Czarna Inez - I like that. Nogi - I like that, at excavation site someone put that on speaker which was the first time I heard that. I like the modern stuff but I think the 90s stuff were better I don't think it goes downhill, just the genre which was popular has changed You don't need to grow up in certain times to enjoy a specific music, I wouldn't be surprised if the would grew up in 80s, they would be saying "Wow I wish I grew up in the 50s"".... With Mrozu, Gibbs and other mentioned Polish musicians I don't see Polish music to be nearing to the doom |
| @JaniSIr: You can do your own research and take the information or leave it. Not going to waste time arguing with someone who doesn't appreciate the pointers I'm giving here. @traed: 432Hz is also part of the Solfeggio frequencies. C being somewhat close to it in the 432Hz tuning is the whole point, as mentioned in the link of my previous posting |
Noboru said: 432Hz is also part of the Solfeggio frequencies. C being somewhat close to it in the 432Hz tuning is the whole point, as mentioned in the link of my previous posting The numbers attributed to frequencies are arbitrary so the number of a frequency is meaningless which is what Solfeggio is all about, the numbers. Ive known of this stuff for a long time. I found this Moreover, not all music around the world has since been tuned to A=440Hz, as the meme claims. “I remember being in Japan in the '80s on tour with Prince and our pianos had been tuned differently,” Rogers said, also noting that “Cuban music tunes to A-436.” In an interview with NPR in 2016, classical pianist Simone Dinnerstein mentioned how the National Cuban Orchestra was tuned to A-436 ( here ). Cross concurred that “some orchestras have from time to time flirted with an increase up to A=450 Hz, which has the effect of making their sound seem brighter”. Audition documents by the New York Philharmonic, for example, state the orchestra tunes to A442 ANCIENT INSTRUMENTS Reuters found no documented evidence that ancient cultures tuned their music to A=432Hz, as the meme alleges. Armand D'Angour ( here ), professor at Jesus College at the University of Oxford, whose research has focused on ancient Greek music ( here ) told Reuters the claim is unfounded. “We don’t know the absolute pitches of ancient strings, which in any case would have been variable depending on resources, location, circumstances etc. It is a fantasy to suggest that we know that any tuning was pinpointed as A=432Hz,” D’Angour said. Heidi Köpp-Junk, Assistant Professor in Egyptian Archaeology at the Institute of Mediterranean and Oriental Cultures, Polish Academy of Sciences Warsaw ( here ) also said “there is no evidence” that instruments in ancient Egypt were tuned to A=432Hz. https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/debunking-social-media-claims-about-a432hz-and-a440hz-musical-pitches-idUSL1N2P915O/ The only kind of frequencies that are of particular interest are resonant frequencies. But these cause objects to be destroyed. I remember reading about an attempt to use resonant frequencies of viruses to destroy them, though this also can be frequency of other things so it isnt ideal for medicine in many cases unfortunately. |
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@JaniSIr: You can do your own research and take the information or leave it. Not going to waste time arguing with someone who doesn't appreciate the pointers I'm giving here.
@traed: 432Hz is also part of the Solfeggio frequencies. C being somewhat close to it in the 432Hz tuning is the whole point, as mentioned in the link of my previous posting
@traed: 432Hz is also part of the Solfeggio frequencies. C being somewhat close to it in the 432Hz tuning is the whole point, as mentioned in the link of my previous posting
| @Noboru I actually once watched 1 YouTube video of this topic, not because I care much about music theory, it was just there, and I was bored. Of course he was making the argument that it makes no difference, like obviously, and the best argument to 432hz was "one italian guy said so". |
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On average, yes. Or more accurately, it has gone downhill. Long ago.
Music being listened to less from love of it than from unability to bear silence. Religious festivals degenerating into profane parties. The spreading of the idea that the quality of a work of art is "subjective", and of the idea that art ultimately consists in "expressing yourself". The disappearance of an authentic intellectual elite, and its substitution by ordinary people with university degrees. Music being said that "it's a banger", or that "it slaps", and the like. The excessive prestige and wealth that can be obtained by a singer, which seduces many who weren't born for music into wanting to become one.
Thankfully, exceptions are many.
Music being listened to less from love of it than from unability to bear silence. Religious festivals degenerating into profane parties. The spreading of the idea that the quality of a work of art is "subjective", and of the idea that art ultimately consists in "expressing yourself". The disappearance of an authentic intellectual elite, and its substitution by ordinary people with university degrees. Music being said that "it's a banger", or that "it slaps", and the like. The excessive prestige and wealth that can be obtained by a singer, which seduces many who weren't born for music into wanting to become one.
Thankfully, exceptions are many.
JustOscar said: On average, yes. Or more accurately, it has gone downhill. Long ago. Music being listened to less from love of it than from unability to bear silence. Religious festivals degenerating into profane parties. The spreading of the idea that the quality of a work of art is "subjective", and of the idea that art ultimately consists in "expressing yourself". The disappearance of an authentic intellectual elite, and its substitution by ordinary people with university degrees. Music being said that "it's a banger", or that "it slaps", and the like. The excessive prestige and wealth that can be obtained by a singer, which seduces many who weren't born for music into wanting to become one. Thankfully, exceptions are many. in the bold text; are you suggesting if one describes their enjoyment of a song in a simple way, the value it (may have) had is lowered? |
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| It's over, we have the moral high ground!!! https://knightstemplar.co/rhythms-of-war-drums-in-the-medieval-era/ |
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@Noboru I actually once watched 1 YouTube video of this topic, not because I care much about music theory, it was just there, and I was bored.
Of course he was making the argument that it makes no difference, like obviously, and the best argument to 432hz was "one italian guy said so".
Of course he was making the argument that it makes no difference, like obviously, and the best argument to 432hz was "one italian guy said so".
| @JaniSIr It originated sith a French physicist then was promoted by an Italian composer. To give a quick background of how 432 Hz came into the picture, we turn to Joseph Sauveur, a French physicist who, in 1713, came up with the concept of a scientific or philosophical pitch. Basically, this system doesn’t follow the A440 tuning reference, and instead places A4 at 430.54 Hz and middle C—C4—at 256 Hz. He explained that, by placing middle C at 256 Hz, you can create a system where each octave—or factor—of C lands on an even integer, instead of containing "dreadful" decimals. Giuseppe Verdi, an Italian composer of the 19th century, advocated heavily for the use of this tuning, as does the Schiller Institute. By using Twelve True Fifths tuning, created by author Maria Renold, there’s a way for C256 to fit on the same scale as A432. This website does a much better job of explaining the math than I would ever be able to. If you’re into some slightly nerdier math, it’s an excellent place to start learning about Maria Renold’s 12T5 tuning, or how our A440 equal temperament system works in general. https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/tuning-standards-explained.html |
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