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What is up with these endings? MHA and JJK getting shafted?

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Aug 22, 2024 1:07 PM
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MHA had possibly the worst ending I’ve seen and JJK is ending in only 5 chapters? I thought these were popular mega hits with fricken Fortnite skins and they are going out like that? Why!? Is this Shonen Jump/Shueisha or the mangakas themselves?

Kishimoto got tired of drawing after 700 chapters so he got his assistant to continue the story, Oda is still at it, what’s wrong with these other guys are they lazy?
Aug 22, 2024 1:11 PM
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japan follows jo-ha-kyu a lot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-ha-ky%C5%AB
Aug 22, 2024 1:17 PM
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japan follows jo-ha-kyu a lot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-ha-ky%C5%AB
@deg DBZ had a graceful ending, they defeat Buu, everyone celebrates, timeskip, new tournament, Uub is Buu’s reincarnation and Goku has one final character moment teasing out his inner power then leaves with him to train in Goku fashion. It was great, perfect closure. Why can’t more Shonens give us that? I miss Toriyama he definitely bucked a lot of trends to deliver a truly revolutionary story. These new mangakas seem to be slaves to their kooky editors who hate timeskips where characters leave adolescence and hate non-anti-climactic endings for whatever reason.
Aug 22, 2024 1:47 PM
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With jjk specifically it's probably because gege was forced to change a lot of stuff and probably is burnt out due to lack of interest to write something that isn't his, honestly I can't blame him
Personally I liked mha's ending, felt the most feeting ending there could be
Also calling those people lazy is disrespectful, do you know how hard it is to draw 20 pages a week? Not to talk about health issues, the fact some people can do it doesn't mean those who can't do it lazy, doing close to 300 chapters is already a lot
Also shonen jump and editors might push them or make them no longer want to work because of bad working conditions or meddling with the story to much, as an artist thinking that you are forced to write something you don't want can be frustrating and it is known both writers had that problem
Aug 22, 2024 2:13 PM
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Sometimes ending the series is better than dragging it on.
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Aug 22, 2024 2:17 PM
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Many popular manga have rushed endings. See Slam Dunk or Yu Yu Hakusho for example.
Aug 22, 2024 2:21 PM
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It can't go on forever. The story's been told and it's time to end.
Aug 22, 2024 2:28 PM
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Many popular manga have rushed endings. See Slam Dunk or Yu Yu Hakusho for example.
@IKKIsama This is why I appreciate Boruto, if Naruto had ended with chapter 700 of the original manga it would have been LAME! Instead we get to actually explore all the unanswered questions about the Otsutsuki and we get to see Naruto as a parent and all their kids and how they are growing up in the post-war world. And it’s also a great story with darkness and scary alien gods trying to kill everyone, so much so that the Boruto manga is consistently in the Top 4 on the manga apps, usually above One Piece.
Aug 22, 2024 2:37 PM
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@deg DBZ had a graceful ending, they defeat Buu, everyone celebrates, timeskip, new tournament, Uub is Buu’s reincarnation and Goku has one final character moment teasing out his inner power then leaves with him to train in Goku fashion. It was great, perfect closure. Why can’t more Shonens give us that? I miss Toriyama he definitely bucked a lot of trends to deliver a truly revolutionary story. These new mangakas seem to be slaves to their kooky editors who hate timeskips where characters leave adolescence and hate non-anti-climactic endings for whatever reason.
@Krystopher I disagree with DBZ having a good ending. It ends with Goku fucking off to train Uub, a character whose only followup would have been the non cannon GT series hardly anyone likes, if Super never became a thing. And they didn't even do much with him in that from what I remember. Would have been a total waste of the character.

Speaking of Super, it's existence kinda retroactively makes the ending even lamer imo. All the fights and power ups in Super lead to them ending up in a normal ass tournament just so Goku can find a kid who might be stronger than him some day. I don't know much about Super after the anime, but somehow I doubt Uub will take Goku's place after whatever training he receives.
Aug 22, 2024 2:39 PM
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@Krystopher I disagree with DBZ having a good ending. It ends with Goku fucking off to train Uub, a character whose only followup would have been the non cannon GT series hardly anyone likes, if Super never became a thing. And they didn't even do much with him in that from what I remember. Would have been a total waste of the character.

Speaking of Super, it's existence kinda retroactively makes the ending even lamer imo. All the fights and power ups in Super lead to them ending up in a normal ass tournament just so Goku can find a kid who might be stronger than him some day. I don't know much about Super after the anime, but somehow I doubt Uub will take Goku's place after whatever training he receives.
@FanofAction I hate Super and wish it didn’t exist, it is completely unnecessary filler and has very little to zero artistic value. They don’t even try to explain the transformations anymore.
Aug 22, 2024 2:42 PM

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Its better to end them than drag them on like boruto,even my favorite Gintama ended so I'm used to top selling manga ending surprisingly..
hopefully detective Conan never ends..
Aug 22, 2024 2:56 PM
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Its better to end them than drag them on like boruto,even my favorite Gintama ended so I'm used to top selling manga ending surprisingly..
hopefully detective Conan never ends..
@RainyEvenings One Piece should end next chapter then
Aug 22, 2024 2:57 PM

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@FanofAction I hate Super and wish it didn’t exist, it is completely unnecessary filler and has very little to zero artistic value. They don’t even try to explain the transformations anymore.
@Krystopher Did they before though? I mean..I guess they kinda did, but also not really from what I remember. They never really explained why a race that could turn into big monkeys could also turn blonde with varying lengths of hair. They just mentioned there was some kinda legend saying they could. Freiza was the worst example though. Again, this is entirely from memory, but I don't think they ever explained anything about why his forms looked the way they did.
Aug 22, 2024 3:01 PM
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@Krystopher Did they before though? I mean..I guess they kinda did, but also not really from what I remember. They never really explained why a race that could turn into big monkeys could also turn blonde with varying lengths of hair. They just mentioned there was some kinda legend saying they could. Freiza was the worst example though. Again, this is entirely from memory, but I don't think they ever explained anything about why his forms looked the way they did.
@FanofAction The legend was the explanation, but SSG was just the same explanation recycled, “actually there was 2 legendary super saiyans but one was red and stronger and had God ki which is ki but stronger and different color!” then Ultra Instinct was just kaioken “technique of the Gods” recycled. Gohan Beast has absolutely 0 explanation. At least with GT Super Saiyan 4 was the combination of Super Saiyan and Great Ape into one form, which was at least somewhat creative and followed the principle of chekov’s gun. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekhov's_gun
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@FanofAction The legend was the explanation, but SSG was just the same explanation recycled, “actually there was 2 legendary super saiyans but one was red and stronger and had God ki which is ki but stronger and different color!” then Ultra Instinct was just kaioken “technique of the Gods” recycled. Gohan Beast has absolutely 0 explanation. At least with GT Super Saiyan 4 was the combination of Super Saiyan and Great Ape into one form, which was at least somewhat creative and followed the principle of chekov’s gun. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekhov's_gun
@Krystopher That's the one thing I see people give props to GT for. Super Saiyan 4 is for sure a better transformation than anything Dragon Ball Super had. With Gohan, I just figured it was handwaved as that being his hidden power they were trying to awaken back in the Buu saga.
Aug 22, 2024 3:13 PM
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@deg DBZ had a graceful ending, they defeat Buu, everyone celebrates, timeskip, new tournament, Uub is Buu’s reincarnation and Goku has one final character moment teasing out his inner power then leaves with him to train in Goku fashion. It was great, perfect closure. Why can’t more Shonens give us that? I miss Toriyama he definitely bucked a lot of trends to deliver a truly revolutionary story. These new mangakas seem to be slaves to their kooky editors who hate timeskips where characters leave adolescence and hate non-anti-climactic endings for whatever reason.
@Krystopher ?

DBZ ending on Majin Buu Saga wasn't great, its was just very normal. Remember Toriyama was forced to create such arc since he wanted to end DBZ before. Goku finally dying and passing the role of protagonist to Gohan was a more interesting and better ending. Even GT has a better ending with us not knowing if Goku is still alive or dead and showing Vegeta and Goku's descendants.

Ironically, MHA has a similar ending to DBZ but with Goku doing nothing for his whole life besides fighting while Deku at least did something during the timeskip and the world not being the same as it used to be unlike DBZ world feeling very artificial from the start until the end. So very ironic you call MHA ending the "worst" and call DBZ "graceful" at the same when MHA ending is just DBZ ending but much better.
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Aug 22, 2024 5:06 PM

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I don't think Oda is a good comparison for other mangaka.
Aug 22, 2024 5:23 PM

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Bro they're fighting against Sukunda since chapter 122, it's the longest fight in the battle shounen history, Gege needs to finish this shit as soon as possible, people are making fun of him and his masterpiece.
If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time.

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Aug 22, 2024 10:12 PM
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Gege has been planning to end JJK for a while now so I doubt he cares to do much epilogue, and shonen jump probably wasn't willing to give MHA more than 10 chapters for its own epliogue
Aug 22, 2024 10:22 PM
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Everything can't be compare with One piece and anything can't be as long while maintaining the quality...
Aug 22, 2024 11:04 PM

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The reason One Piece is still at it is cuz Jump doesn't wanna end it's sugar daddy series and will continue to milk it for ages even after its ending. Some series simply shouldn't go on for that long under normal circumstances.

Although it was also previously mentioned, but the Japanese style of rushed endings applies to manga and anime as well. Authors simply like to keep it traditional in most cases.
Aug 23, 2024 12:08 AM

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"What is up with these endings? MHA and JJK getting shafted?"

Every time the editors want to drag out or cut short the natural flow of a title, drop in quality happens.
Aug 23, 2024 7:46 AM

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That's why Oda is the greatest of all time.

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one piece is different from rest of jump series, Oda somehow is successful in keeping op the most relevant shounen for the past 20 years which in itself a legendary feat, and it just keep getting better.
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Krystopher said:
MHA had possibly the worst ending I’ve seen and JJK is ending in only 5 chapters? I thought these were popular mega hits with fricken Fortnite skins and they are going out like that? Why!? Is this Shonen Jump/Shueisha or the mangakas themselves?

Kishimoto got tired of drawing after 700 chapters so he got his assistant to continue the story, Oda is still at it, what’s wrong with these other guys are they lazy?


Particularly when it comes to just Japanese Anime and completely disregarding source material if one had a source to begin with, looking back most Japanese Anime from the 80s, 90s, and even in the 2000s have always had perceived bad endings or just inconclusive adaptations.

Taking just a few examples like "Cowboy Bebop", it's unclear what exactly happened in the end to the main character where the viewers are simply left with a feeling of ambiguity.

Even the ending to "Samurai Champloo" is left up to interpretation to what exactly happened in the final moments where the end just cuts off to the trio going their separate ways.

Even going as far back as "Akira", despite it not being a full blown adaptation of the manga source, the way the movie concluded was less than spectacular.

While the original "Berserk" series from the 90s wasn't exactly the end, the way things concluded wasn't ideal and simply for the longest time thought of as just a tragedy and for those who didn't follow the source material at all just making most wonder what exactly really happened in the end.

A super classic example of disappointing beyond belief is "Neon Genesis Evangelion". Where I won't even get into how it ended... I will just say the ending simply just sucks balls.

Even when a Japanese Anime series has a definitive conclusion like "The Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent". While it concludes in a happy way, it came across as rushed to some degree and to some viewers as unsatisfyingly too convenient and very predictable.

In conclusion all viewers will simply not always be happy how things end no matter how an Anime fully concludes or finishes.

Japanese Anime simply has a long history of being either inconclusive, incomplete, or simply having full blown series just end in less than stellar ways.
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Aug 23, 2024 2:49 PM

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Shounentards realizing that MHA and JJK have bad writing like:
Aug 23, 2024 3:31 PM

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Series ending is GOOD, dragging on forever and becoming unwatchable is BAD.
Although we are talking about shounen here, that I would not ever consider watching for a minute, but that's besides the point.
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Krystopher said:
MHA had possibly the worst ending I’ve seen and JJK is ending in only 5 chapters? I thought these were popular mega hits with fricken Fortnite skins and they are going out like that? Why!? Is this Shonen Jump/Shueisha or the mangakas themselves?

Kishimoto got tired of drawing after 700 chapters so he got his assistant to continue the story, Oda is still at it, what’s wrong with these other guys are they lazy?


Particularly when it comes to just Japanese Anime and completely disregarding source material if one had a source to begin with, looking back most Japanese Anime from the 80s, 90s, and even in the 2000s have always had perceived bad endings or just inconclusive adaptations.

Taking just a few examples like "Cowboy Bebop", it's unclear what exactly happened in the end to the main character where the viewers are simply left with a feeling of ambiguity.

Even the ending to "Samurai Champloo" is left up to interpretation to what exactly happened in the final moments where the end just cuts off to the trio going their separate ways.

Even going as far back as "Akira", despite it not being a full blown adaptation of the manga source, the way the movie concluded was less than spectacular.

While the original "Berserk" series from the 90s wasn't exactly the end, the way things concluded wasn't ideal and simply for the longest time thought of as just a tragedy and for those who didn't follow the source material at all just making most wonder what exactly really happened in the end.

A super classic example of disappointing beyond belief is "Neon Genesis Evangelion". Where I won't even get into how it ended... I will just say the ending simply just sucks balls.

Even when a Japanese Anime series has a definitive conclusion like "The Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent". While it concludes in a happy way, it came across as rushed to some degree and to some viewers as unsatisfyingly too convenient and very predictable.

In conclusion all viewers will simply not always be happy how things end no matter how an Anime fully concludes or finishes.

Japanese Anime simply has a long history of being either inconclusive, incomplete, or simply having full blown series just end in less than stellar ways.
ColourWheel said:
Even when a Japanese Anime series has a definitive conclusion like "The Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent". While it concludes in a happy way, it came across as rushed to some degree and to some viewers as unsatisfyingly too convenient and very predictable.

People expected anything different from a standard cookie cutter romance plot?
Really the only thing that surprised me is that it ended so quickly.

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