do visuals matter to you ?
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@ToG25thBaam Okay, maybe I'm crazy, but the art style of the Aku no Hana anime isn't that bad.
@Rhae This is my expectation  but I got these instead   Not completely unwatchable but definitely not pleasing to the eyes. |
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| If the art style is bad enough, I won't watch it. This happened to me for One Piece, which looks bad as still images, and even worse in motion. |
| nothing will convince me to watch moe blobs |
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| Of course that's a valid reason. Anime is drawn, and if I don't like the drawing, then I will be less inclined to watch it. How is it "petty" if you don't want to watch an anime because you don't like how it looks? Is it better when you don't want to watch because you don't like how it's written? Or how it's voice-acted? Yes, it's frustrating when someone refuses to try an anime because of one specific reason, but singling out unappealing art style as a "petty" reason is baffling to me. |
| As someone with Ping Pong in their favorites I'm honestly surprised how many people will not watch an anime based on the art style. The main thing for me is the story, having nice animation helps but it won't make a bad story worth watching. Animation quality is one of the last things I take into account when deciding on the rating, unless there's something about the animation that takes away from the anime. |
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| It happened to me with SNK. It seemed horrible to me. Still I saw it and I loved it. Then it happens to me with JoJo's too, the animation is horrifying. I never started that one anyway. But my problem is more aesthetics than quality. I like 90s style animation better. |
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@Spunkert
I too have the right to say that you are stupid for thinking that people are stupid for thinking that way. (I explained why art style matters in my post above)
I too have the right to say that you are stupid for thinking that people are stupid for thinking that way. (I explained why art style matters in my post above)
| @PostMahouShoujo Also, another user above gave an example when the studio first focused on the plot, and in the second part spent all the money on animation. The main idea from your post is that if a studio has invested in a beautiful picture, then everything else can be beautiful too. This is the thinking of a child |
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@Spunkert
>i also have a right to say that they are stupid for thinking that way
>meanwhile
>you are seriously gonna use the "Everybody who calls others stupid are stupid themselves" argument
Okay, boomer.
>And i have the right to say that you are wrong with your take.
As long as I have more evidence that proves my position than you have more evidence that disproves my position, I am correct and you are wrong. And before you say that there are also good works with bad animation, which makes me wrong, please, don't, because it is just disappointing to hear statistically illiterate things from people who appear to be smarter than average.
>i also have a right to say that they are stupid for thinking that way
>meanwhile
>you are seriously gonna use the "Everybody who calls others stupid are stupid themselves" argument
Okay, boomer.
>And i have the right to say that you are wrong with your take.
As long as I have more evidence that proves my position than you have more evidence that disproves my position, I am correct and you are wrong. And before you say that there are also good works with bad animation, which makes me wrong, please, don't, because it is just disappointing to hear statistically illiterate things from people who appear to be smarter than average.
PostMahouShoujo said: Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. The rating of Cicadas confirms the fact that the plot is given more preference than the controversial art. You loseесть и хорошие работы с плохой анимацией |
| I never watched Aku no Hana and Ping Pong The Animation because they were too ugly. |
Reply to APolygons2
DigiCat said:
CSM although i don't think the animation is good, fight choreografy-wise it's great
CSM although i don't think the animation is good, fight choreografy-wise it's great
I would actually say the exact opposite. The animation is some of the best out there, The choreography is the main thing that holds it back from matching the action of something like jjk.
DigiCat said:
JJK i think is way more inconsistent than MHA (reffering to s2)
JJK i think is way more inconsistent than MHA (reffering to s2)
JJK s2's animation does have some ups and downs, but... ok here's the thing. my hero is the type of show that makes one fight look like the best piece of animation you have seen (all might vs nomu, decu vs overhaul) and the uses still shots or short snippets of animation for some other fights.
In JJK no fight is left with 3 frame animation, they all have a shit ton of effort put into them, now you could talk about how you don't like the blend of cgi in one scene, or how you think another scene looks too wonky, but they are all moving and using unique angles.
There is a reason 90% of anime only use front shots and side shots, it's because they are way easier to draw. you can argue that the execution of jjk isn't always there, which I disagree with but it's a valid argument.
What you can't deny is that it's always at least trying to make its fight look amazing, while mha a lot of the times is barely putting any efforts in. My hero has by far the most still shots out of any of the other major shounen titles. That is just a true fact.
| @APolygons2 If i have to give MHA a critique it's that the latest seasons are getting a bit lacking in what you mentioned, but s1-5 i don't see that Also don't get why using still shots is bad, a well used still shot can still be impactful APolygons2 said: In JJK no fight is left with 3 frame animation, they all have a shit ton of effort put into them Of course the effort put into a project should be respected, but almost all anime has a lot of effort put into it, and unfortunately effort doesn't always guarantee good results |
Reply to DigiCat
@APolygons2 If i have to give MHA a critique it's that the latest seasons are getting a bit lacking in what you mentioned, but s1-5 i don't see that
Also don't get why using still shots is bad, a well used still shot can still be impactful
Of course the effort put into a project should be respected, but almost all anime has a lot of effort put into it, and unfortunately effort doesn't always guarantee good results
Also don't get why using still shots is bad, a well used still shot can still be impactful
APolygons2 said:
In JJK no fight is left with 3 frame animation, they all have a shit ton of effort put into them
In JJK no fight is left with 3 frame animation, they all have a shit ton of effort put into them
Of course the effort put into a project should be respected, but almost all anime has a lot of effort put into it, and unfortunately effort doesn't always guarantee good results
| @DigiCat we clearly don't agree on what "good results" are, and considering how I do not even slightly understand your percpective on "animation", there is no point in arguing that. so what i was trying to say instead, was that even if you think it looks better, MHA definitely has less money and effort put into its production that other major shounen titles. |
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PostMahouShoujo said:
есть и хорошие работы с плохой анимацией
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. The rating of Cicadas confirms the fact that the plot is given more preference than the controversial art. You loseесть и хорошие работы с плохой анимацией
| @Swyzen Every time someone speaks about general trends, there is always, always that one annoying and uninformed person who finds a single outlier in the data and believes that its existence disproves the existence of a the whole trend. Here is an example for you:  (taken from https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/2015/06/18/on-sat-act-iq-and-other-psychometric-test-correlations/) See this one dot in the top left corner? You are this kind of person who looks at the data, finds this outlier and says: ha, look, I found a single outlier, it disproves the whole rule! Nope, it doesn't. Now you will most likely want to defend your position by saying that "this correlation is too low to even be considered meaningful" or something that does not even relate to the topic like "correlation does not imply causation", but please, acknowledge the fact I'm correct and use this knowledge to find more great works to watch, instead of debating people on forums. |
| Only the quality of the art matters, not its style. |
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| Depends on exactly how fugly the artstyle is but if the story sounds good from the description I'd probably still try to watch it. |
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
| I don't do this. But it's up to other people how they choose their leisure activities, which includes which anime to watch. |
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I'm like this for full on CGI anime. *shudders @ Handshakers*
| @GateofDestiny I feel like even with my personal generosity with art styles, it'll always be tough for me to stomach anything from GoHands. CGI is generally fine for me, but GoHands... I'm already getting vertigo just from thinking about the insane camera movements. |
Daviljoe193May 30, 2024 6:07 PM
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| Art style to me doesn't matter I will watch literally anything even manga panels as long as it has spectacular everything else (story,chars,sfx) |
| I will not watch if I don't like the art style. It can be distracting. |
| it's not a dealbreaker but you can't go wrong with something pleasant on the eyes. unique artstyles are a complete different conversation than visual quality for me. |
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| I'm very picky when it comes to art styles. A show would have to have a really catchy first episode for me to watch it if I don't like the art style at all. |
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@Swyzen
Every time someone speaks about general trends, there is always, always that one annoying and uninformed person who finds a single outlier in the data and believes that its existence disproves the existence of a the whole trend.
Here is an example for you:
(taken from https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/2015/06/18/on-sat-act-iq-and-other-psychometric-test-correlations/)
See this one dot in the top left corner? You are this kind of person who looks at the data, finds this outlier and says: ha, look, I found a single outlier, it disproves the whole rule!
Nope, it doesn't.
Now you will most likely want to defend your position by saying that "this correlation is too low to even be considered meaningful" or something that does not even relate to the topic like "correlation does not imply causation", but please, acknowledge the fact I'm correct and use this knowledge to find more great works to watch, instead of debating people on forums.
Every time someone speaks about general trends, there is always, always that one annoying and uninformed person who finds a single outlier in the data and believes that its existence disproves the existence of a the whole trend.
Here is an example for you:
(taken from https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/2015/06/18/on-sat-act-iq-and-other-psychometric-test-correlations/)
See this one dot in the top left corner? You are this kind of person who looks at the data, finds this outlier and says: ha, look, I found a single outlier, it disproves the whole rule!
Nope, it doesn't.
Now you will most likely want to defend your position by saying that "this correlation is too low to even be considered meaningful" or something that does not even relate to the topic like "correlation does not imply causation", but please, acknowledge the fact I'm correct and use this knowledge to find more great works to watch, instead of debating people on forums.
PostMahouShoujo said: (взято из https://randomcriticalanasis.com/2015/06/18/on-sat-act-iq-and-other-psychometric-test-correlations/ ). What is this link? I clicked on it and a tab opened with some blog that talks about IQ, although the thread was originally about the art of animation and the plot. What are you talking about? PostMahouShoujo said: ha, look, I found a single outlier, it disproves the whole rule! Do you think exceptions should be ignored? I repeat once again - a thread about the connection between animation and plot. Are there works with poor animation and art and a decent plot? Exist. That's it, you lost Most likely you are drunk or a schoolboy; an adequate person cannot utter such nonsense in all seriousness. Sorry in advance for my English. I speak Russian. Your nonsense forced me to turn to a translator :( |
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PostMahouShoujo said:
(взято из https://randomcriticalanasis.com/2015/06/18/on-sat-act-iq-and-other-psychometric-test-correlations/ ).
(взято из https://randomcriticalanasis.com/2015/06/18/on-sat-act-iq-and-other-psychometric-test-correlations/ ).
What is this link? I clicked on it and a tab opened with some blog that talks about IQ, although the thread was originally about the art of animation and the plot. What are you talking about?
PostMahouShoujo said:
ha, look, I found a single outlier, it disproves the whole rule!
ha, look, I found a single outlier, it disproves the whole rule!
Do you think exceptions should be ignored? I repeat once again - a thread about the connection between animation and plot. Are there works with poor animation and art and a decent plot? Exist. That's it, you lost
Most likely you are drunk or a schoolboy; an adequate person cannot utter such nonsense in all seriousness.
Sorry in advance for my English. I speak Russian. Your nonsense forced me to turn to a translator :(
| @Swyzen Sorry in advance for my English. I speak Russian. Your nonsense forced me to turn to a translator :( I really, really wanted to answer to you in your profile, but since you are apparently afraid of public judgement, I will do it here:  |
| It all depends on how people look at it. The art of manga is pure art, the priority is to satisfy the reader's eyes, so you are right to make harsher comments on the art of any manga. But making anime, both before and now, is a costly, long-lasting and planned job. Not every studio can deliver great visuals for every anime. I think it's nice that they use cartoon-like visuals, which is the most normal in comedy anime. Here, "if it sounds bad to you, don't watch it!" I say, but first I want you to look at the development of the games, most of the current big game brands were pixel by pixel before. and overall aesthetically they were terrible. It is always better for people to find things that are good for them. |
| Up to the person. Normally there is a 'don't judge a book by its cover' approach for me personally since I have seen so many anime that don't look great, average or look a bit too unorthodox to be great like Aku no Hana, and stuff that looks excellent visually, absolutely bomb and suck by the end like Violet Evergarden from the past. Ultimately, if my friends are turned off too much by the visuals to give it a chance, that's on them and if they are comfortable with that, won't judge much. For me though, I saw a lot anyway regardless of whether the art style looked appealing, or generic, or different for many people to adjust to, so doesn't affect me much. |
| For me, it depend on the animation. You can have the most beautiful animation in the world, but the story writing/plotline can still suck. Even beautiful animation can have animation error if the anime was done in a hurry for TV broadcasting (which has been a big problem even today). |
| Animation quality is definitely important for me. While not the sole factor, fluid animation can elevate the experience. I can even appreciate a simpler style if it's used creatively, like we could see in the Berserk anime adaptation from 1990s. However, choppy or poorly-drawn animation can be a major turn-off, and a great plot might not be enough to save it. Ultimately, though, art style is the biggest draw for me. If the visual design doesn't resonate, I'll probably skip a series, even if it's a critically acclaimed one. On the other hand, I may start watching a show whose plot is not that much interesting, but has the art style that I find as good-looking. |
| style doesnt really matter to me, poor animation isn't a style it's just an indicator that it might be bad, even though I liked some anime when they poor animation just makes the anime slightly worse. Only time i judge style if it's not anime like extra olympia kyklos or gal and dino where it aint even anime style half the time. |
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| I never say it but I am very guilty of doing this |
| Perfectly normal as anime is an visual entertainment medium. Ugly artstyle is a big no for me, like Nanatsu no Taizai for example. |
 (っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥ |
| OK an anime I enjoyed was the Kingdom anime at first the CG and the voice acting was so bad but I pushed through and really enjoyed the story and the characters. I do still believe that the animation plays a role in your overall enjoyment but characters and the story are in my opinion much more important. Another anime that come to my mind is The God of High school, that show had pretty good animation (especially the fight scenes, those were great), but the story its self was not the best. For me at least while I do like seeing good animation in my eyes I care much more about the story, characters, and the characters relationships than the animation, but good animation is definitely an added bonus if its good. |
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| Visuals matter but i am more open minded to giving something a chance. Sometimes the art style grows on me |
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| Pretty obvious but any sane, healthy person wouldn't get worked up over this, and can just go on peacefully with their life regardless of whatever stance anyone may take. It definitely does matter to me, like a janky, poorly shot movie being compared against every frame is an art piece one (albeit an incredibly reductive view, and sure you could say just because every frame is beautiful doesn't necessarily mean it serves anything and can still be as unenjoyable). I think it's insane that anyone would be so openminded that they don't even have a personal preference on what art style they like and hate, or at least develop one. But if they do and can get over just about any art style, then good for them ig. |
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| That is, without question, the most annoying take I've ever seen. Sure, an art style can suck but let's be honest, does it even remotely affect the series? An art style isn't even necessarily part of a series, but more of an illustrator's personal preference. For example, Wandering Witch has that kind of art style (if you know what I mean) because the illustrator thought it would fit the series' cuteness (and also darkness but I think that's a bit of a spoiler thing so I won't go over that). The art is painfully standard but I can still see why it's chosen that way, even though it's the same art style you've seen god knows how many times in a row. |
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That is, without question, the most annoying take I've ever seen. Sure, an art style can suck but let's be honest, does it even remotely affect the series? An art style isn't even necessarily part of a series, but more of an illustrator's personal preference. For example, Wandering Witch has that kind of art style (if you know what I mean) because the illustrator thought it would fit the series' cuteness (and also darkness but I think that's a bit of a spoiler thing so I won't go over that). The art is painfully standard but I can still see why it's chosen that way, even though it's the same art style you've seen god knows how many times in a row.
| @TheFlyingSoda It's actually not that annoying imo (if you're referring to the take I think you are at least lol). Sure it doesn't take away everything, but you really aren't obliged to like it just because the artist intends it to be a certain way. For things such as art style preference, it's stupidly subjective so it wouldn't really make sense to give only the original illustrator the leeway and not the audience. But I get what you're saying though. Like it's not a be-all-end-all for you (it really isn't for me either). But again, no one's really obliged to enjoy it just as much if it were in a different art style they think would fit even better, for example. I can take a straight example right now. I think Chainsaw Man the anime (not the manga) art style actually ruins it for me. The point of the manga art style is for it to be over-the-top and makes next to no sense. The director's intent to make it "look as realistic as possible, like a live-action" actually makes it an antithesis to the manga for me. I guess it really isn't the worst thing ever but no I did not like it at all. |
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@Swyzen
I really, really wanted to answer to you in your profile, but since you are apparently afraid of public judgement, I will do it here:
Sorry in advance for my English. I speak Russian. Your nonsense forced me to turn to a translator :(
I really, really wanted to answer to you in your profile, but since you are apparently afraid of public judgement, I will do it here:
PostMahouShoujo said: то сделаю это здесь: Google doesn't translate Russian very well, lol. PostMahouShoujo said: Мне очень-очень хотелось ответить Вам в профиле, но так как Вы видимо боитесь общественного осуждения You can answer me wherever you want :) |
| visuals are a huge factor on whether i'd enjoy a show or not and i get that's not the same for everybody. that being said, i think people would be missing out on some hella good narratives despite the show's "ugly" art style (ping pong and aku no hana comes to mind). |
| I really don't care about art style. I'll watch anything, as long as it has a good story, characters, etc. The one exception to this that I can recall is the videogame series Borderlands. I can't stand looking at the art style. I get a headache. |
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