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heychrisj said: And dropped. I found myself always watching this series last when I saw that new anime episodes for the day came out. Unlike the first season, there just wasn't that pull to watch each new episode immediately. Then, I realized why: this season just isn't as interesting and is really kind of boring. The city itself has an interesting concept going for it, and I was intrigued by the idea of the narrative switching between the past expedition and the current one. However, neither narrative is all that compelling. Honestly, I kept wondering why Riko and company hadn't moved on to their next destination yet. I mean, it's not clear to me why they're still hanging out in this city after all this time. If they'd moved on a few episodes ago, I'd probably still be watching. At the moment, though, I don't really care about what's going on, which is a shame because I really enjoyedthe first season. Nanachi is held captive and the Golden City holds answers to the whereabouts of the other white whistles on the sixth layer? |
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| So pretty much everyone living on a ticking time bomb. Well shit this episode was too calming. |
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| OK everything's make sense now, in a usual disturbing way! |
| Wonderful! I am glad to finally understand their little world and the rules to it. The lyrics of the ending hit so much hard now. Vueko is the only one to remember all the sacrifices to here AND who ever felt so deeply for Irumyuui. I am convinced this will end in tragedy since this small place is so interwebbed. |
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| Wazukyan did nothing wrong. |
| This is the moment this finally enters my top 5. This show is incredible. |
| That cleared a lot of things up, wow. Not sure where I stand though, I think the village should stay as it is. |
| Holy fucking shit what a great episode the best one of this season so far, the abyss is so fucked up and cruel. |
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| How the village is built is finally explained, and also what the the characters want are also clear now, very amazing episode, but some scenes really make me uncomfortable. |
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| I am really baffled by all the people saying they were sickened and sad from the revelations in this episode. These "babies" the Ganja people ate were merely abominations made by a relic and only meant to live a day. Also, Irumyui was dying from diarrhea even if the egg didn't grant her wish it immensely prolonged her life and gave her a higher purpose (being a sanctuary for her people) and I don't think this is sad at all |
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| Belaf went from being tormented over his addiction to baby soup to full-on forbidden smoothies after he sacrificed himself to Irumyuui. Cruel irony. Crazy that the village is Irumyuui and it explains a lot... |
| The reveal of why Village is what it is today really was done beautifully, Vueko recovering from infection was a great sight to see aswell |
[font="\"Proxima Nova Regular\", \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"] [/font] I really like Vueko as a character, maybe my favorite in the whole series, incredible backstory, can't wait to see more of her. I'm really excited to see what the whole thing with Reg and Faputa is about, loving the questions that this series bring up. The scene where the girl got snatched and turned was creepy, but I like it that way. |
| The only thing that confuses me was that I thought Belaaf used the second egg to transform, but I guess irumyuii used it to birth Faupta. The last line “I just want to remember her” going into the EDs first line “I still remember you” was amazing tho |
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| So Irumiuii wished to give birth, everyone in the crew to survive. She became the tree to provide shelter to the crew, giving birth to her final child bearing the hatred and pain she endured. I wonder if Irumiuii's children that died in the process are those black ooze like creatures, the 'balancing' system. Each episode keeps getting darker than the last :( |
| Another fantastic episode, with the most interesting aspects relating to Wazukyan but I'll save the discussion for him a bit later. First things first, yet another time I have to mention that Kevin Penkin absolutely elevates the sequences in this show. Particularly during Belaf's transformation and Vueko's attempted suicide. Speaking of Belaf, his reaction was rather interesting, and I think explained the discrepancies between his character pretty well. In his human form, he seemed like a stalwart fellow, so when he showed up in modern time I was surprised to see that he was framed as the most outwardly villainous. But him, somewhat surprisingly, having the most severe mental break from the circumstances of his survival, leading him to begging to be punished, and devoured of any remaining humanity ("bones, soul, every single part"), resulting in him doing what essentially brought him so much anguish as a hollow, where he endlessly consumes Mitty (or did until Nanachi stopped that). I don't feel like he was overreacting, not only did he know about Irumyuui's desires well, it's worth noting one of the things breaking him is how delicious he found her children. There's a part of him that likes it, and that's killing him too. By the end of the last episode, I didn't necessarily find much wrong with what Wazukyan had done to save the Ganja. It's messed up surely, but the children were already dead so I thought the most morally questionable part was how calm he was in delivering this information. How he seemed emotionally disconnected from the process. The reveal here that he was actively stripping them from their mother and killing them is a lot more objectionable to me. It's still understandable giving the circumstances, but I would definitely not come down on the side that "Wazukyan did nothing wrong." And this is why Wazukyan is fascinating, in a way he seems like an evolution of an ideas toyed around with Bondrewd. Bondrewd's not callous or malicious, and even holds genuine affection for all those subjects he experimented on, to the point of remembering all their names & even details about them. However, to him, nothing was more important than the scientific pursuit, and he was very successful. I'm foggy on the details exactly, but I think he's probably the single person most responsible for the advancements made to exploring the Abyss. Or at the very least, he's up there. So in a sense the question that arc posed is what sacrifices are alright to make in the way of scientific advancement, and obviously the movie sides against Bondrewd heavily on the human experimentation line. And that's an easy answer for most, I don't think anyone walked away thinking Bondrewd was right for what he did to Mitty. Wazukyan here poses a far more complex question, what sacrifices are alright to make in the way of imminent survival? Part of the reason why Bondrewd is easier to dismiss because the benefits his experiments yield are mostly for future generations, there's really no pressing reason he needs to be performing child experimentation, at most it's to help future raiders, not alleviating any immediate problem. If Wazukyan didn't act how he did, everyone there would've died, without question. However, does that knowledge, make it right to strip a mother away from her newborn baby then kill and cook that baby? What level of torture is permissible to inflict on somebody for the greater good of the group? Much like with Bondrewd, while Wazukyan's actions are more sympathetic, I vehemently feel he crossed a line, and I suspect Made in Abyss does too. This all connects back to the system of trading in the village, value. A value which is determined by an individuals own personal feelings towards a particularly thing, and balancing seems like system in place to prevent what happened to Irumyuui from happening to others, as I'd wager Irumyuui didn't get much in exchange from being stripped from her children/value except unending torment and Vueko's continued life I suspect (the other Ganja potentially, didn't seem like she formed much connection with anyone else, but even had she, it's certainly an uneven trade for her). I initially criticized the decision to bring back Mitty as something that feel dramatically cheap, because now understanding that Irumyuui is the village, it feels like another attempt at evolving another idea, similar to Bondrewd to Wazukyan. Mitty was a soul trapped in an immortal body until Reg killed her. In the scenario, while it was hard to do, it's easy to sign off on that being the right thing to do because it kind of only effected Mitty. Like obviously it was personally devastating for Nanachi & Reg too, but Mitty's death was salvation for Mitty but didn't impact beyond that really. Now it seems that Irumyuui is trapped in a similar Mitty situation, but destruction of the village will have dire consequences for the residents of the village, a lot which have no ties to the Ganja incident. So it is ethical to leave it standing? And this is considerable harder for me to parse out than the Ganja issue itself. My own personal feelings depend on how much of Irumyuui is present within the structure. We're told she lost her human intellect, which iirc was the same case as Mitty. I personally don't believe in souls, but the Mitty story basically explicitly confirmed the existence of souls in the MiA universe, so with that in mind I don't know if the village should be allowed to stand. And commonxreaction made a great point about the monster, about the Queen, attacking sperm parallel thing, which seems to lead me in the direction in the series agreeing it's standing's bad, especially with the context that the being was lured there. And what about Irumyuui's balancing kids? Would setting Irumyuui's soul free negatively impact them, or would it set them free too. Because if it's the former, that's probably a trade Irumyuui, even if it's just her soul, would probably make for them. Though, considering their role in the city and Faputa's existence, I'm guessing it would a freeing experience for them too? I feel the best solution could be if Wazukyan somehow could & willingly take Irumyuui's soul place, that way the village exists off a willing participant rather than maybe off some level of continued suffering? If there is a level of suffering still being had for Irumyuui, and if you deem that suffering's value to overweigh the villagers current way of life, which I'm conflicted on. Also, was there an implication that if Vueko dies, so will the village? I can't tell if the Wazukyan's saving her, the "wish unfilled" & "prophecy fail" line were hinting that if Vueko dies and the creation of the village would cease or something. That was sort of my initial reading, but now I'm thinking that Wazukyan might've just not wanted her to die because he just doesn't want people to die rather than stopping her because it'd interfere with the village, and the wish unfulfilled was his attempt to talk her out of suicide. Whereas her prophecy fail line was just a defiant fuck you before suicide and didn't actually have any ramifications on the Irumyuui situation. If Vueko being alive does have some impact on everything, that's another factor to consider, but I'm suspecting I initially read to much on that, but I guess I'll see. But ultimately, I don't fully know where I fall yet, it's difficult to ponder on but I'm loving having this experience. I suppose Wazukyan didn't wind up as the most fascinating part as I thought when I started writing/thinking further about the ideas and moral questions on display right now. I can't wait to see how this all resolves itself. There's a lot to contend with, and whatever answer it lands on will be hard to swallow, but that's what makes Made in Abyss something truly special. |
TerrestriousMar 29, 2023 6:44 PM
| pure depression fr |
“this world is merciless, and it’s also very beautiful”  |
| That concludes the history to tie everything together.. |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| What an episode... In the previous episode I thought they had eaten Irumyuui herself, but they actually ate her children. I should have known that Faputa was Iru's daughter, since they share the same VA. Is this show getting darker with each season or is just me? 🤔 By the way how on Earth were that fucker Bondrewd and his gang able to descend to the sixth level and get back without dying? This happened before Mitty was destroyed by Reg, and Belam just made a copy of her. So Bondrewd went back in one piece. How? |
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| Brilliant story writing! Finally, the backstory behind the village was revealed. It exceeded my expectations! I saw the significance of "wishеs" in a different light. The mystery aspect was perfectly used in conjunction with the revelation of everything behind the village and its residents. The plot continues, and I can't wait to discover what happens next now that I have all this new information! |
| We're finally at a point where we can see a light at the end of the tunnel. My suspicion that the ED is done by the same people that did Re:Zero's 2nd OP (MYTH & ROID apparently), but I was too busy binging episode after episode to confirm this. Their only other big project seems to be Overlord, which given its popularity probably made the creators obvious to many people, but personally this is only the second time I'm listening to these guys. |
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| I kind of hope the whole village arc is almost over now and Riko, Reg and Nanachi can get back to adventuring. |
| it was good to know about Faputa and Eluko's long past and the staff. It's sad but it was good. |
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| Is Faputa really the incarnation of Irumyuui's resentment over the fate of herself and her children? Considering that, at least outwardly, Irumyuui herself was fairly simple of heart and demeanour, it'd be quite a surprise if that were the case; such vengeful rumination isn't befitting of her. Though it could be that Faputa is a magnified, accentuated manifestation of those thoughts, which were "matured" into an approximation of what Irumyuui would feel as an adult. |
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