Those who say MAL rating is useless, are they just being in denial? I feel like they actually care about it even a lil bit :D
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Feb 9, 2024 4:26 PM
#1
While I do totally agree MAL Rating isn't an indicator on how good an anime is, it's still quite useful to me as some kind of loose guide or reference whenever I want to watch anime but don't know what to pick. So there's no need to be tsundere about MAL Rating, I know those who say that MAL rating is useless are just wanting to be special snowflake who wants to show off how different they are from "most other people" |
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Feb 9, 2024 4:32 PM
#2
If you want more accurate ratings go to anidb. Almost everything on MAL is rated too high. |
Feb 9, 2024 4:49 PM
#3
Nah mal ratings aren't even "loose guides" for me. They are just all over the place compared to how I rate things and I can't really find patterns except for "sequel to popular thing is rated high" and "thing that came out in the 80s is usually rated closer to how I would rate it than non 80s things". I find IMDb ratings to be more useful as ratings are better distributed across the board. Letterboxd ratings? Better than MAL but I still think IMDb is the closest to how I rate. |
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Feb 9, 2024 4:51 PM
#4
Nah neh eh.. not really. There are so many good and better stuff in the 1000o. |
Feb 9, 2024 4:52 PM
#5
MAL ratings are garbage. I only care about staying consistent on my own ratings. I trust some individual users' ratings. Not the site average, no. Too many duplicate accounts voting up trash. This is also why I write reviews occasionally and I give them as a recommendation to read if someone is interested in a particular anime. |
Feb 9, 2024 4:54 PM
#6
But I AM a special snowflake, OP. My ratings are law, and since I write the law I choose to not rate half the stuff I watch, therefore all mal ratings that I didn't give are illegal |
Feb 9, 2024 4:56 PM
#7
The ratings are never a consideration when I'm deciding what to read or watch. For me their only purpose is to indicate what tastes me and someone else may have in common. |
Feb 9, 2024 4:56 PM
#8
Only seems useful to me when you are new to the medium. I think one would have a decent understanding what shows they like after they've seen a sizeable amount, and shouldn't need to rely on scores anymore. Unless your taste happens to align very closely to the majority, then it might be of some use ig. I just don't think somebody should only choose to watch something solely based on its rating. |
rho34Feb 9, 2024 5:47 PM
Feb 9, 2024 5:07 PM
#9
Nah, I just don’t care about MAL ratings at all. If I’m looking for something to watch, I look at the popularity instead. |
Feb 9, 2024 5:17 PM
#10
It is reminiscent of people who feel the need to repeatedly say "do not listen to the critics, their opinions are meaningless". By expressing such a dismayed opinion on critics and their opinion frequently, it indicates one does actually care about the opinions of others. It is not that it is not true, but if one truly believe in their own words, they would not be so bothered as to say it consistently or perhaps at all. If you brag about your IQ, you probably care about IQ because you do not have any notable accomplishment.. If you mention how you don't care about your ex-wife despite bringing up how much you do not care about her, you do in fact care about your ex-wife. If you make a Twitter account to hate on Taylor Swift, you care about Taylor Swift enough to trash her. If you feel the need to say "ignore the critics" whenever they dislike your favorite film or anime, you personally feel attacked because someone did not validate your opinion. If you truly cared, you would not say very much about it outside of topic like these. |
Feb 9, 2024 5:18 PM
#11
Well, MAL rating are a little bit too high in certain cases. There are definitely anime that deserve higher/lower ratings than their current rating. |
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Feb 9, 2024 5:23 PM
#12
if mal ratings is useless then better remove the top rankings at least if not user scores |
Feb 9, 2024 5:36 PM
#13
This shite is MyAnimeList, not Other'sAnimeList. Only personal valuation matters, as of its raison d'êtrê. Your dick just sucks. |
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Feb 9, 2024 6:02 PM
#14
mal ratings aren't completely useless. pretty useful for relative comparion at least. if the rating are high they are high for all the shows so for me at least the ratings are a little bit helpful. reviews not so much unless they are positive ones so i can know what are the good points or the things which people enjoyed watching rather than knowing how well and how much the show sucks and how it was a complete time waste and doesn't deserve a rating above 2. |
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Feb 9, 2024 6:26 PM
#15
Fullmetal Brotherhood is the highest rated anime on MAL but I think it's mid. |
Feb 9, 2024 6:37 PM
#16
Yeah kinda agree with this, even after watching anime for many years and the amount of shows I've watched I still use it as a reference, except i look at Anilist's scores more (though it's just basically few % lower than MAL scores) |
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Feb 9, 2024 6:37 PM
#17
Whether it be MAL, AniDB or even IMDb, their ratings are informative and useful to me as they help me realize what kind of shows the majority of people like/dislike. |
Feb 9, 2024 6:39 PM
#18
Well they aren't completely useless, but it is definitely swayed by trends and recency bias. Shows like Bleach Thousand War and Frieren got to the top 10 anime within like the first 5 episodes. Anime in general is also a genre where people really "follow the crowd" for. Things can get review bombed or spammed with 10's rather quickly. |
Feb 9, 2024 6:53 PM
#19
I almost always look at a rating of an anime and then I have expectations for it. On this site its really hard not to see a rating, so I never really go in blind (without ANY expectation). Obviously I do make my own opinions after watching something and many times the rating is about correct, but sometimes while watching, the rating keeps popping in my head and I think if it's worthy of that or not and that's a dumb way to enjoy a media. Would be nice to have a setting to turn off scores because I am a little ritard. |
Feb 9, 2024 8:07 PM
#20
It is a statistical data that indicates what people like it is not a statistical data that indicates what you might like. If your opinion always differs from that of MAL users it does not mean that MAL users are wrong or you are wrong, it simply indicates that you have different tastes from the majority of the user base. Even if your opinion always differs it is still useful to understand what people like and you can manage that information as you like. |
Feb 9, 2024 8:13 PM
#21
My take on MAL ratings is that on the higher end of the spectrum [+6~10] they are ambiguous and at times specious, while on the lower end of of the spectrum [1~5] I find them actually reliable. I never found an anime rated 1~4 on MAL that was not worthy of the rating they are assigned. So, I agree of it being a loose guide, but only when sorting and truncating the worst of the lot [more like instead of how good an anime is, how worse it can be]. And no rating obtained by statistics can be completely useless. That said, if you look at the MAL score calculation formulae, you will find that it is a weighted average, and of the variables it depends on, one is 'S' defined as Average score for the anime/manga. Basically, different parameter weights [which should be important factors], assigned to the main average score to get a new average. How is this 'S' variable obtained, based on what parameters is unknown [atleast to me; I tried to find it, alas futile effort] Nonetheless, the score serves its purpose by sorting it into two sets. That should suffice, cuz after that, scores are interchangeable [within the sets] as per each viewer's priority and level of understanding of influencing factors. |
Feb 9, 2024 8:51 PM
#22
Feb 9, 2024 9:12 PM
#23
I only care about my own ratings. That's it. |
Feb 9, 2024 9:23 PM
#24
Well, it kinda is useless. Look at ecchi for example, a lot of 1 votes there are from people who just despise the genre so much, they'll just add to to their to lower the score. I just vote on my personal enjoyment. |
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Feb 9, 2024 9:41 PM
#25
Obviously MAL ratings are flawed due to certain factors hence why you can't mostly trust them (Especially if said work is "mainstream" or "FOTM"), but I can't deny that if something is rated poorly (6.50 or below for a good/safe measure), then there's probably a good indicator that something definitely happened, whether it's poor writing, bad animation, or an unsatisfying story overall. Of course, that shouldn't prevent you from having enjoyment from said "bad" anime if it the enjoyment was "genuine". Bikini Warriors, Apocalypse Zero, and Chou Henshin Cosprayers are all anime that are rated poorly according to the general consensus to this site, yet I enjoyed the shit out of them, consensus be damned. |
Feb 9, 2024 10:50 PM
#26
After seeing this thread, I had in mind what I'd want to write in it, but after reading the original post, I've noticed there is no need to repeat what has already been mentioned. That's why I can just say that I fully agree with @Rinrinka. To elaborate a little, let me say that toplists are far from useless. They can be more or less useful, depending on who checks them out and what said person expects from checking them out, but they are not useless in terms of searching for trends, general info regarding the show's overall quality and/or popularity. Of course, toplists on various sites can be flawed, and MAL is no different than that. However, is it really a flaw that people vote for their favourite show, in a way they find as approriate? I don't agree with the current top5 anime being the best five anime shows ever made, but at the same time, I can see how popular and loved they are by many people. That's why it tells me which one can be worth of giving a try, if I haven't seen it yet and it has stuff capable of motivating me to start watching it. I feel people who are repeating "MAL rating is useless" on every occassion, as if it was a sacred chant, treat this one phrase as a some sort of coping mechanism. Someone wants to be special, unique, edgy elitist even, but can't get rid of a natural feeling of checking out what other people think about certain type of fun, and react to it. How to deal with it? Well, by pretending to be a connoiseur who is "better than the rest, smarter than the crowd that's having fun". Notice I've mentioned obnoxious people, not those who fairly say that MAL rating is useless in their opinion, and have their own rational arguments which they present without getting overly emotional over toplists featuring Japanese cartoons rated by viewers, lol. |
Feb 9, 2024 11:19 PM
#27
It's just a popularity gauge if the anime is recent and becomes more accurate with time but a popular theme will always be inflated and a less popular one will be lower. It also has no rules or way to make sure you are judging the anime in all it's components fairly. And finally you give it the rank you want even if it is irrational and everyone despises or loves it, no questions asked. |
Feb 10, 2024 12:17 AM
#28
Maybe or maybe not, I choose anime to watch [except for sequels] based on visual keys without checking anything else including ratings x) [The exception for it is a couple/several anime which I choose based on ratings for AWC] |
Feb 10, 2024 12:18 AM
#29
They arent helpful. Tastes are subjective and there is so many factors giving bias to how people score. |
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Feb 10, 2024 12:36 AM
#30
I definitely care about the MAL ratings of anime I have already watched, because I want to know what other people's impressions are. Getting to know what other people think is the very reason I'm here on the forum. I also take the ratings into consideration when recommending something to other people. But for me personally, the ratings are useless in deciding what I should watch next. Some people use the them as a guide, some people don't. After the last Do you pick anime to watch based on their MAL ratings? discussion, I went and checked my own scores against the MAL rating. Yes sure, I could say that every anime < 6.0 will have some issues that are going to bug me while watching it. Am I going to not watch an anime that looks interesting, because the anime has a score of < 6.0? No, absolutely not. I don't have to commit to watch a full series just by looking at the information on the MAL page, I can just start watching an episode and stop at any point I like. There isn't any value for me to not give something a chance just because the score is bad. The cost of potentially missing out on some diamond in the rough is too high. |
Feb 10, 2024 12:49 AM
#31
Generally, if a show is rated above 8 on mal, the odds are I won't enjoy it. So yeah, I find the ratings here helpful enough. |
Feb 10, 2024 12:53 AM
#32
I love forum posts like these because they act as a great litmus test for edgelords and elitists. As a number of posters have said before, if people didn't care about something like MAL ratings, they wouldn't make it a topic of discussion so often. I think @PeripheralVision worded it best. Ratings are helpful because they do exactly what they set out to do - give a general impression as to how most people enjoyed the show, and give the likelihood of how much the average person will like that show. Of course it has faults, since we all have our own preferences and opinions. Of course ratings tend to be overinflated while/shortly after a show airs, it happens with all media (the reverse is true, too - most notably in cinema). A good tactic I take is deducting .2 from a currently airing show's rating, to get a 'true' rating. And besides, if the ratings are useless - how would you fix it? Not have a rating at all? Excellent way to gatekeep, I guess? The average person often relies on some sort of rating system for media consumption (giving your opinion via word-of-mouth is rating something), they don't have time to endlessly sift through shows to see if they're good or not. Ratings are helpful for the average joe for this reason. |
Feb 10, 2024 1:12 AM
#34
Reply to KingOfPneumos
I love forum posts like these because they act as a great litmus test for edgelords and elitists. As a number of posters have said before, if people didn't care about something like MAL ratings, they wouldn't make it a topic of discussion so often. I think @PeripheralVision worded it best.
Ratings are helpful because they do exactly what they set out to do - give a general impression as to how most people enjoyed the show, and give the likelihood of how much the average person will like that show. Of course it has faults, since we all have our own preferences and opinions. Of course ratings tend to be overinflated while/shortly after a show airs, it happens with all media (the reverse is true, too - most notably in cinema). A good tactic I take is deducting .2 from a currently airing show's rating, to get a 'true' rating.
And besides, if the ratings are useless - how would you fix it? Not have a rating at all? Excellent way to gatekeep, I guess? The average person often relies on some sort of rating system for media consumption (giving your opinion via word-of-mouth is rating something), they don't have time to endlessly sift through shows to see if they're good or not. Ratings are helpful for the average joe for this reason.
Ratings are helpful because they do exactly what they set out to do - give a general impression as to how most people enjoyed the show, and give the likelihood of how much the average person will like that show. Of course it has faults, since we all have our own preferences and opinions. Of course ratings tend to be overinflated while/shortly after a show airs, it happens with all media (the reverse is true, too - most notably in cinema). A good tactic I take is deducting .2 from a currently airing show's rating, to get a 'true' rating.
And besides, if the ratings are useless - how would you fix it? Not have a rating at all? Excellent way to gatekeep, I guess? The average person often relies on some sort of rating system for media consumption (giving your opinion via word-of-mouth is rating something), they don't have time to endlessly sift through shows to see if they're good or not. Ratings are helpful for the average joe for this reason.
@KingOfPneumos The synopsis , genre, and previews and what friends who's tastes they vibe with say and more so watching a few episodes. That is what people have done since the beginning of animation and film and is more reliable to what to watch than some arbitrary average of people that rated something which could include people only watching because something seems popular and trendy but hate the genre it is in and people that are way more into a genre than you personally are or may like the genre but not like a theme that pops up that you might like. It should only be used as a very rough guide if you dont have enough info from the other methods to conclude anything. The point is just to not avoid something because the score if it otherwise seems like something you would enjoy. |
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Feb 10, 2024 2:13 AM
#35
Regardless of whether someone cares about scores or not, less than 5% of all anime are rated above 8.00 but almost every MAL user has more than one 8+ anime in their top 20 (yes, including those who say that scores are useless). Personally, I noticed that the main difference between high and low rated anime is the animation quality. However, it's not like low rated anime are better written: for every hidden gem that is rated low because it's not suitable for the average watcher, there are way more low rated anime with the same tropes as the highest rated but with worse animation. |
Feb 10, 2024 2:39 AM
#36
Ratings aren't always reliable for the individual but I still agree on that take, even people who say rating are useless probably watch more highly rated Anime than lowly rated ones. |
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Feb 10, 2024 2:44 AM
#37
I do use the MAL Ratings when I am about to watch something as a guide of how much I should care about the show if that makes sense. |
Feb 10, 2024 2:57 AM
#38
Reply to Hikinekomori
It is a statistical data that indicates what people like it is not a statistical data that indicates what you might like.
If your opinion always differs from that of MAL users it does not mean that MAL users are wrong or you are wrong, it simply indicates that you have different tastes from the majority of the user base.
Even if your opinion always differs it is still useful to understand what people like and you can manage that information as you like.
If your opinion always differs from that of MAL users it does not mean that MAL users are wrong or you are wrong, it simply indicates that you have different tastes from the majority of the user base.
Even if your opinion always differs it is still useful to understand what people like and you can manage that information as you like.
Hikinekomori said: It is a statistical data that indicates what people like it is not a statistical data that indicates what you might like. If your opinion always differs from that of MAL users it does not mean that MAL users are wrong or you are wrong, it simply indicates that you have different tastes from the majority of the user base. Even if your opinion always differs it is still useful to understand what people like and you can manage that information as you like. It's pretty much how view MAL rating in general as it was never a factor for me on deciding what to watch. |
Feb 10, 2024 3:09 AM
#39
The more you understand the MAL echosystem, the more useful the ratings are. I made a thread about how to use them months ago. but yes you're right. we all care about the ratings, just to different degrees. pretty much everyone assumed a 9+ anime is great, and a sub 6 one is shit. |
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Feb 10, 2024 3:13 AM
#40
i personally take it very seriously 😤 |
Feb 10, 2024 4:00 AM
#41
Btw how come FMAB bots haven't downrated Frieren to hell, yet???? |
Feb 10, 2024 4:41 AM
#42
Feb 10, 2024 5:26 AM
#43
I personally don't care about the ratings. The system is biased a lot towards memes/trends. The average ratings have been massively inflated. IMHO what MAL seriously needs to do is to weigh down any anime that has an average rating over 8.0 since that's where the most manipulations and botting takes place. If they want the list to be (semi)-reliable, that is. |
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Feb 10, 2024 5:32 AM
#44
Rinrinka said: While I do totally agree MAL Rating isn't an indicator on how good an anime is, it's still quite useful to me as some kind of loose guide or reference whenever I want to watch anime but don't know what to pick. So there's no need to be tsundere about MAL Rating, I know those who say that MAL rating is useless are just wanting to be special snowflake who wants to show off how different they are from "most other people" Generally the people who complain the most about MAL ratings being useless are the ones who care the most about said ratings xD For me they're not useless, but ratings don't determind whether i wanna watch something or not, and they're no indicator of quality, the only thing ratings are a rough indicator of is how many people like/dislike a certain anime, a nice way to see what people's taste is, but definitely not something to be treated as gospel |
Feb 10, 2024 5:34 AM
#45
Feb 10, 2024 5:36 AM
#46
Reply to TheBerserker
Btw how come FMAB bots haven't downrated Frieren to hell, yet????
@TheBerserker cuz it's a great anime |
Feb 10, 2024 6:38 AM
#47
I don't find the MAL ratings all that helpful. Some shows that score highly I don't like while plenty of series I do like are scored poorly. What I find is more effective is reading the reviews, looking at the common strengths/weaknesses that more than one person is saying. If people are complaining about no plot, poor characterisation then that will give me pause for thought. If they are going on about too much fanservice or some minor issue then I will disregard and watch. If a series that looked kinda bland is getting amazing ratings then I will give it a second looking and may even try the 2/3 episode rule. |
Feb 10, 2024 6:42 AM
#48
Never cared about MAL ratings or noted them in my mind until these forums pointed them out, but I still don't care. |
Feb 10, 2024 7:18 AM
#49
I take them with a kilogram of salt, but I do agree they can give you some idea of how good an anime is. You need to be familiar with them, though, because of the way things end up getting rated. Eg. if a new seasonal is rated 6.5 and has a decent amount of members that means it's probably pretty bad, while if an 80s anime is rated 6.5 it might actually be great, since obscure shows attract people who rate low. Even more anime with fewer members tend to be rated lower, so if a show has under 50k members then a score below 7 isn't an indicator that it's shit, but if it has like 150k members then it probably is. |
Feb 10, 2024 7:23 AM
#50
Reply to -Sleek-
@TheBerserker cuz it's a great anime
@-Sleek- It definitely is and I can the same about others that knocked FMAB yet were downrated in no time. |
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