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Jun 2, 2017 4:54 AM
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I'm in favour of the BM eating everyone theory due tot the following clues:

-Oda says on page 15 that BM couldn't see through her tears and on the next page BM says she was too focused on eating. This shows that she could have easily eaten the people around her without realising. Also because she was eating the semla at the same time maybe, just maybe, that's why she didn't taste the people while she was eating them.

-In the bottom left panel of page 15 you see the hiragana for "ueeeeeeee" and "aaaaaaaaaa" which are the sound effects for crying. Now obviously this could be crying for multiple reasons but I'll stick with my opinion here.

-On the ground we see blood stains and the torn clothes of MC and the kids.

-As an extra, not really definitive proof of much but rather a note of foreshadowing. Croquembouche is a treat made with caramel. Oda could have been hinting to MC getting eaten with this.

I would also like to point out to those saying why didn't MC fight back. We have no indication of MC's fighting ability or lack there of and she was an 80 year old woman which further goes against any idea of her putting up a reasonable fight to a girl who earlier one-shotted a giant.

Althogh I'm in favour of this theory it is possible that BM didn't eat everyone. No blood stains around her mouth but semla stains, everyone could have run away or CP0 could have come and done something that we don't know of.
Jun 2, 2017 9:58 AM
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HalibelTheEspada said:
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Oh wow, now that I actually look at it, you might be right. If that's true though then what we just saw is pretty confusing, cause that would mean she didn't eat all of them at the very least.
I don't know if this was already discussed, but assuming you're right, then comparing this image:

to this one:

"The Concealer" Giberson would have to be the Long-arm kid, with black lipstick (this would've made me think Peclo, if it weren't for the extra joint). They both also have the same teeth, pointy nose (probably red now from the booze), and apparent hair-color.
Drug Peclo would be the kid in the Deku looking gas mask thing, given the mask and also simlarly shaggy hair. Also the fact that they both carry a (albeit different type) blade. Tbh if as a kid it's supposed to be a gas-mask, it could also be an ode to the fact that his adult uniform looks akin to a Nazi's.
"God of Fortune" Du Feld would obviously be the bigger kid with sunglasses and a similar scar. Though the scar might've changed slightly, it's in the same place and they both have thick lips, spaced teeth, the same wide nose, and overall general look. Also there's the fact that it described him being with Caramel as a kid due to povery, making sense that his ambitions would bring him to being the God of Fortune
Stussy would have to be the ugly looking girl with a round nose. Though they don't share much in the field of appearance, they do have the same color hair and she clearly works hard on her appearance, and they both wear a dress. And above all that, although not in this particular picture she apparently tends to stand near the Du Feld look-a-like. Seen:

That leaves "Deep Ocean Current" Umit and "Big News" Morgans unaccounted for. Best guess is maybe Morgans is a Zoan, and is the former prince "driven out by riots/revolutions" maybe motivating him to follow big stories. Granted Umit has more similarities to the prince... the freckles and the constant frown. Umit/Morgans both have the same dark eyes and a black cloak, but Umit has black hair... so Umit's probably the panda kid, or one of the kids further behind Caramel.


If that's true, I think that the long arm kid probably is Drug Peclo because both of them have black lips. We don't know if this actually is lipstick or their natural lip colour is just darker than usual. Plus Drug Peclo looks a little like he has two elbows if you look at his left arm.

I think Giberson might be the child with the black crown because Giberson has one as well even though the form is a little different. The only reason why that might not be him is because Giberson head doesn't look similar but I think it might be possible for him to change that much in 63 years. Giberson could also be the gas mask child since we don't know that childs face. Or he is none of the kids.

Stussy might actually be the ugly looking girl and the way how Du Feld looks, he is the one that is most likely to be the black haired child with the same scar. So if at least one of these kids is alive, Du Feld is most likely one of these kids. Drug Peclo and Stussy are less likely to be but could be as well.

I mean we've seen lots of huge sudden appearance changes of characters in One Piece. Take Coby for example. So I wouldn't be surprised if Giberson turns out to be one of these children as well, but just drastically changed his appearance over the years.


Umit and Morgan are most likely the only ones who definitely can't be any of the childs. Well, Umit could've dyed his hair dark, but other than that I see no way he is any of the childs.
Jun 2, 2017 10:01 AM

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rahul1993 said:
Actually it was revealed like 20 chapters ago so it's not impossible.
Ah you're right. I just read the whole series recently from the beginning, so I guess it seemed like not that long ago... I was thinking of the first time it actually happened, too, in the modern timeline. But nonetheless, Shingeki's hardly the first to introduce the concept of getting someone's power through eating them. Hell, Majin Buu did it too (long before Shingeki).

Absorbing someone's power / beauty / energy has been a popular belief in many cultures throughout history... particularly many Native American, Mesoamerican, and Celts (and hell just Europeans)... and seeing as Shingeki is heavily based on Norse mythology that makes sense. Some people still believe it today... just look at the story of Issei Sagawa, a man who is basically a Japanese celebrity who currently walks free after killing and eating someone.

It's definitely not an original concept, but barely anything is. Almost everything is inspired by something else. I really doubt Oda just read another series and said "Hey, I'm gonna use that just because they did."

aemerr said:
and again an other character appears to be bad .... and i think big mom ate all of the children and ate mother carmel too .. and that's why she owned her powers ... if that was true then that explains how Marshall D. Teach owned the white beard power ... there must be some part from the devil fruit eaters that if u ate u will have his power.... that what i believe ...
Honestly the more important question would be "Why is he able to have more than one Devil Fruit power?". As far as we've been told, that would kill a normal person. Unless it's related to the "initial D.".
Jun 2, 2017 10:57 AM
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[quote=HalibelTheEspada message=50958314]
rahul1993 said:
Honestly the more important question would be "Why is he able to have more than one Devil Fruit power?". As far as we've been told, that would kill a normal person. Unless it's related to the "initial D.".

i think who eats two fruits dies not who eats someone that have the fruit
Jun 2, 2017 11:01 AM
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Kuma said:
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On the bottom left of the page where Linlin notices that everyone is gone, you can see disrupted parts of Mother Caramels clothes lying on the ground. So yes she was eaten. We don't know for sure about the children though because some of the underworld brokers at the tea party have some similarities to the children. For example one child has a scar and one of the underworld brokers has the exact same scar, plus they have the same hair colour if I remember correct. Other children have similarities with some of the other brokers as well.


aren't mother carame intended to leave to begin with tho? linlin already sold, i don't see why caramel need beside linlin anymore... i tough it more possible as false flag... we didn't see blood...


She said "That they (her friends and mother caramel disappear on the same day" from the lightning arround its obvious that its still in the middle of the day or afternoon.
And in case you still not sure first of all the others kids come first at least a few months ahead from linlin so if that day that she intend to sold linlin then why the other kids is still there.
Since they all have the power of monster that could be used by the WG why they still there ????.

We only could wait for next chapter to be sure of everything hopefully oda will explain about linlin DF too
Jun 2, 2017 1:11 PM

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What a disgusting child.
Jun 2, 2017 1:28 PM
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When I was reading it I thought that she might have eaten them, but as I finished and stopped to think about it, there are many things that don't fit, so I think Linlin didn't eat the people. (I mean: she only has 2 arms, and if she had grabbed someone, the rest of them would have gone away)

My guess is that Caramel plotted the cake thing and told the WG to act then so they could take away the kids without Linlin noticing (=interfering), and maybe they would have tried to get her later when she sleeps or whatever. But if the kids are now the underworld leaders, maybe Linlin "saved" them from the WG shortly after the birthday thing happened, or they may also be WG allies now spying on the underworld and Big Mom (though not very likely). No idea about what happened to Caramel, nor how Linlin got the powers, because the sun that Caramel created had not the same name than BM's (Prometheus), so probably she made it later on her own. And the clothes might be there as a fake hint, because the kids clung to her in the presence of the WG agents, or because the agents themselves might have attacked her.

Anyway, if the flashback already finished I guess we won't know from that story in a while, and if the underworld leaders are Linlin's childhood friends, well, we'll have some more OP people protecting her from the assassination plot. I didn't think they were going to get to kill her yet anyway, but still that will make it harder for everyone to run away.
BTW: crying intensifies! Maybe even some strong ones will collapse with this one, making the number of players in the field smaller

(edit: some small corrections)
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Jun 2, 2017 8:12 PM

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MizuhashiKazuma said:
Kuma said:


aren't mother carame intended to leave to begin with tho? linlin already sold, i don't see why caramel need beside linlin anymore... i tough it more possible as false flag... we didn't see blood...


She said "That they (her friends and mother caramel disappear on the same day" from the lightning arround its obvious that its still in the middle of the day or afternoon.

nah, after that is preparation of linlin birthday party which spend more than at least a day...

MizuhashiKazuma said:
And in case you still not sure first of all the others kids come first at least a few months ahead from linlin so if that day that she intend to sold linlin then why the other kids is still there.
Since they all have the power of monster that could be used by the WG why they still there ????.

there is no fixed age for caramel to sold their children... if you take a look at previous chapter, some of them even older... and pretty sure wht caramel want to sold is linlin since she is most powerful one...

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Jun 2, 2017 8:20 PM
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Kuma said:
MizuhashiKazuma said:


She said "That they (her friends and mother caramel disappear on the same day" from the lightning arround its obvious that its still in the middle of the day or afternoon.

nah, after that is preparation of linlin birthday party which spend more than at least a day...

MizuhashiKazuma said:
And in case you still not sure first of all the others kids come first at least a few months ahead from linlin so if that day that she intend to sold linlin then why the other kids is still there.
Since they all have the power of monster that could be used by the WG why they still there ????.

there is no fixed age for caramel to sold their children... if you take a look at previous chapter, some of them even older... and pretty sure wht caramel want to sold is linlin since she is most powerful one...



And yet she didnt mention that she's not gonna sold the others didn't she ?.

But what you are sayin still could happen too. Maybe oda just show the left of caramel dress and it could be in the different place where linlin at

But at the same time we should question why caramel just left withou sold linlin ? In case WG fool caramel then linlin should pick up by cp0.
And in case that happen or not it didnt explain all of linlin friends lost. And i think they start to like her so its a small possibility that they left her without notice
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MizuhashiKazuma said:
Kuma said:

nah, after that is preparation of linlin birthday party which spend more than at least a day...


there is no fixed age for caramel to sold their children... if you take a look at previous chapter, some of them even older... and pretty sure wht caramel want to sold is linlin since she is most powerful one...



And yet she didnt mention that she's not gonna sold the others didn't she ?.

But what you are sayin still could happen too. Maybe oda just show the left of caramel dress and it could be in the different place where linlin at

But at the same time we should question why caramel just left withou sold linlin ? In case WG fool caramel then linlin should pick up by cp0.
And in case that happen or not it didnt explain all of linlin friends lost. And i think they start to like her so its a small possibility that they left her without notice

exactly, hence why i doubt linlin even eating another children, since they are not even sold yet...

we don't know if she actually simply left there or what... but she survive, so obviously, somebody pick her which i think WG...
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Jun 3, 2017 12:51 PM

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I bet Linlin ate her.

Also, I think Caramel being scum is a bit meh... It's getting tedious when there are almost no good people in these recent arcs.
Jun 3, 2017 10:58 PM

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Didn't expect Caramel to be a human trafficker at all. That bitch!

Wait, she ate them? Holy shit! :O
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FireFistYamaan said:
I'm calling it, she ate them! Damm Oda continues to surprise us, she was a slave seller, No mother Theresa


Actually very much inspired from mother Teresa.
Jun 5, 2017 3:20 AM

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Holy shit. Two big surprises. Mother Caramel was crooked... And Big Mom was so fucking crazy and removed from reality that she "mistakenly" and "unknowingly" ate dozens of humans at the age of 6... Man.

Like, Oda didn't use to show much deaths before, but he's now even delved into cannibalism ! lmao
Jun 5, 2017 3:38 AM

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Also, before some of you start questioning some things such as, "Where's the blood and stuff??"...

Let us recall that the scene was viewed from BM's infantile point of view. She wasn't necessarily evil at that point, she just truly didn't know right from wrong. Ripping apart flesh and stuff...

She probably didn't even notice the "messy" stuff, and probably mistook any "cries", "yells of agony" and "struggling and limping about" as the kids just having fun "eating the cake along with her" or being "rowdy and merry".

Yup, she was a kid psychopath, with monstrous destructive unrestrained strength, removed form reality in her own little imaginary world.

Assuming that she still believes that everyone simply "vanished" at that time to this date, then her true weakness is being told the truth. If the truth that she barbarically and nonchalantly ate alive her long-time idol were to be revealed to her... She'd probably mentally break and forever lose her mind, or self-destruct in some other fashion.

Regardless, as there *probably* was no other witness of that "birthday party" event... The other (lesser) weakness to her is recalling the day in which everyone "mysteriously" vanished and left her all alone.
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Ooooh ... tomorrow will be good ! :D
Jun 8, 2017 1:57 PM
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That was the best birthday Linlin ever had. She got to eat some human that's why i think ;p
Jun 26, 2017 9:15 PM

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damn mother caramel was a villain...and lin lin was fucked up from the beginning..the giants should have killed her.... lol the was the best birthday she had
Oct 19, 2017 12:15 AM

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Getting bored of the "everyone's secretly an asshole" twist...

But wow, I didn't even realize she ate everybody. That's extremely dark. o_O
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Big Mam is basically one big dark fairy tale you'd read about from way back
May 14, 2018 2:15 PM

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LOL she ate all of them XDDD
that was scary.


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May 18, 2018 5:34 AM

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Loool, Carmel was a horrible person.
And we all know what happened to her now, Linlin ate her and got her power!
Sep 23, 2018 4:15 PM

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She ate everyone, didn't she? Lol.
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Nov 3, 2018 6:12 PM

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She ate them all didn't she ?
Also seems like devil fruits powers are transferable like Titan powers in snk.
Sep 29, 2022 9:12 PM

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She ate them? Ew disgusting!
So the transfer of DF power works the same way as titan powers from AOT. And was Jesus Burges ready to eat Sabo to obtain his powers too? BlackBeard might possibly be the strongest emperor if he and his crew have been hunting power users since two years ago.
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I dunno about the children but the Mother at the very least seems to have been eaten. But shit is that dark. I first thought how this was allowed but then remembered Chainsaw Man.




Aug 11, 2023 6:50 AM
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The implications that Linlin ate the children and Carmel is horrifying...
Sep 20, 2023 10:55 AM

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damn this chapter is dark, Ig big mom hasn't changed much after all these years.
Jun 15, 2024 9:24 PM

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She fucking ate them right?
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Linlin ended alone, great trauma to her1!!!
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