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| I had to read the chapter many times again to check a couple things. I am really shocked about Mother Carmel that is for sure. O_o |
okay, i can't deny it make me chuckle... but yeah, cannibalism is something that too corny to showed this way... however if it does (well, it's still speculation until oda confirm it), it will left me kinda unsatisfied... |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Zeff ate it's own leg and Wapol is a pseudo cannibal. Saying that Oda would never go canninalism route even tho he already did it before is silly. If you think she didn't ate them simply because the manga didn't literally showed it then sure why not. But when you think she didn't ate them because of stupid stuff like the people above said 'OP is for kids" and all that nonsense, it's just completely stupid. Some people is to thick and lacking in braincells to understand thing it seems. It's not the fact that they've dissappeared that made people think BM ate them it's the fact that they have never met AGAIN and somehow BM ended up with Soul-soul fruit. So the conclusion is Carmel is dead and so does the children, because if they were still alive there is no way she can't find them with her infamous imformation network. Add to that the small detail of narration and portrayal, how they left their clothes behind and how the narration close up to the clothes and said they've dissapeared. Because it's really normal to just left your cloth behind and run away naked right? Thicko. |
tr1ckst3rJun 1, 2017 9:21 AM
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| [quote=tr1ckst3r message=50946150]Zeff ate it's own leg and Wapol is a pseudo cannibal. Saying that Oda would never go canninalism route even tho he already did it before is silly.[quote]   tr1ckst3r said: If you think she didn't ate them simply because the manga didn't literally showed it then sure why not. Member, Bon Clay, Sabo, Papaya. Nuke tanker Pell? I member. tr1ckst3r said: But when you think she didn't ate them because of stupid stuff like the people above said 'OP is for kids" and all that nonsense, it's just completely stupid One Piece is for teenagers and it depicted genocide . But it showed the genocide happen. Laws little sister is dead, she aint coming back!  tr1ckst3r said: It's not the fact that they've dissappeared that made people think BM ate them it's the fact that they have never met AGAIN and somehow BM ended up with Soul-soul fruit. So the conclusion is Carmel is dead and so does the children, because if they were still alive there is no way she can't find them with her infamous imformation network. Yes that totally consistent network of idiots that didn´t kill the Strawhats when they had the chance, after every single fucking villain they faced made exactly the same mistake. |
| There isn't much need to begin a war here. Since One Piece isn't a particularly subtle manga there are very good chances that the truth will emerge before the end of the arc. Let's just wait a few weeks ... and Isterio will eat his hat :D |
| [quote=Isterio][quote=tr1ckst3r message=50946150]Zeff ate it's own leg and Wapol is a pseudo cannibal. Saying that Oda would never go canninalism route even tho he already did it before is silly. tr1ckst3r said: If you think she didn't ate them simply because the manga didn't literally showed it then sure why not. Member, Bon Clay, Sabo, Papaya. Nuke tanker Pell? I member. tr1ckst3r said: But when you think she didn't ate them because of stupid stuff like the people above said 'OP is for kids" and all that nonsense, it's just completely stupid One Piece is for teenagers and it depicted genocide . But it showed the genocide happen. Laws little sister is dead, she aint coming back! tr1ckst3r said: It's not the fact that they've dissappeared that made people think BM ate them it's the fact that they have never met AGAIN and somehow BM ended up with Soul-soul fruit. So the conclusion is Carmel is dead and so does the children, because if they were still alive there is no way she can't find them with her infamous imformation network. Yes that totally consistent network of idiots that didn´t kill the Strawhats when they had the chance, after every single fucking villain they faced made exactly the same mistake.  Well, not that I expect much from a child anyway. |
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tr1ckst3r said: http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/22/22cafcd7_you-missed-the-point-136652951838.png[/img] Well, not that I expect much from a child anyway. My point is nothing more than this:[ img]http://www.amitbansal.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/apple-orange.jpg[/img] You keep insisting that this is wrong and they´re the same, I perfectly understood you! Also don´t have to call you a kid because a kid knows the truth about  |
IsterioJun 1, 2017 9:46 AM
Isterio said: OK. Apple and orange comparison clearly fit what happened in mother Carmel case right you are so genius how could I not think about it before., it must be true if you said so.tr1ckst3r said: http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/22/22cafcd7_you-missed-the-point-136652951838.png[/img] Well, not that I expect much from a child anyway. My point is nothing more than this:[ img]http://www.amitbansal.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/apple-orange.jpg[/img] You keep saying that this is wrong, I perfectly understood you! I don´t have to call you a kid because a kid knows the truth about |
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tr1ckst3r said: OK. Apple and orange comparison clearly fit what happened in mother Carmel case right you are so genius how could I not think about it before., it must be true if you said so. You proclaimed a tragic and serious moment like this one:  to be the same as this one: I rest my case! |
| Luffy shouting "SUGGEEEEEEEE !" while looking at the two idiots on top of one another Still makes me laugh after the 10th time >_< |
| ugh fuck off big mom , cant wait for luffy to kick her ass will she stop eating everything (or everyone already)???? i had enough of her childish shits in anime, and the manga is still talking about her too. yeah, i know it's big mom's arc ofc it has to be about her but.. fuck off big mom |
| So that's how big mom got her weird soul power. Interesting Glad the flashback is over. And i am also glad there is an explanation why caramel was so forgiving to big mom. It all makes perfect sense now. |
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Isterio said: tr1ckst3r said: It's not the fact that they've dissappeared that made people think BM ate them it's the fact that they have never met AGAIN and somehow BM ended up with Soul-soul fruit. So the conclusion is Carmel is dead and so does the children, because if they were still alive there is no way she can't find them with her infamous imformation network. Yes that totally consistent network of idiots that didn´t kill the Strawhats when they had the chance, after every single fucking villain they faced made exactly the same mistake. Mocking the characters failures won't change a thing. It's an information network, so they're suppose to gather info, not to kill. Her information network has nothing to do with her failures in capturing the SHs. They're pretty good because they manage to find the SHs ship near Green Bit and followed them to Zou and find the Baratie. It seems they only gather info on what Big Mom wants to find. To Big Mom, the SHs are still rookies to her. So, as aforementioned, her information network has nothing to do with her failures in capturing the SHs. |
TheCommonMan1Jun 1, 2017 11:36 AM
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Isterio said: What are we supposed to feel if Big Mom ate her foster family by accident. Is it poetic justice for Mother Caramel? Is it tragic because she ate the children too? Is it hillarious because of the reasoning behind it? I'd go for "disturbing". She's supposed to be a monster and monsters are disturbing. |
short_review said: Isterio said: What are we supposed to feel if Big Mom ate her foster family by accident. Is it poetic justice for Mother Caramel? Is it tragic because she ate the children too? Is it hillarious because of the reasoning behind it? I'd go for "disturbing". She's supposed to be a monster and monsters are disturbing. Well, why then depict Caramel as "EEEEVILLL" ? Wouldn´t it be more distsurbing if she ate her family by accident without the knowledge that Caramel was a bad person? That way there wouldn´t be any leeway to consider her fate anything but tragic. See, I keep repeating myself but Chekhov's gun is there for a reason. Why introduce the plan as her last gig and then "plottwist" they all died! Why? Because reasons!  Remember, "This her last deal". |
Yeah. And I think it's quite funny. This was truly her "last deal", but not the way she imagined. You see that sentence as something foreshadowing her departure during the party, maybe she planned it yes, but I see it more as Oda making fun of his own character and granting her her wish but in a very twisted way. =) Besides as someone already pointed out, if Mother Caramel was alive somewhere she would know. It seems all the yonkos have very long ears for what they are interested in. |
Isterio said: Againtr1ckst3r said: OK. Apple and orange comparison clearly fit what happened in mother Carmel case right you are so genius how could I not think about it before., it must be true if you said so. You proclaimed a tragic and serious moment like this one: to be the same as this one: I rest my case! Read what people wrote properly next time. |
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| Wow...so Mother is actually Child Seller...what actual Bitch she is..and Giants unfortunately don't know it..and Poor Yorle...No wonder Giants hate Mom....I think Linlin is somewhat sick....in her Mind or body...or something that makes her like this Gluttonous.. TCRfanatic said: LunyRed said: On Linlin's 6th birthday, everyone from the Lamb's House vanished into thin air and completely abandoned her. Why? I think she ate them. This is what I thought too...but where is the Blood? Linlin was not big enough to swallow them whole...she would have had to bite and that would mean blood....what the hell happened? and How the hell did she get Caramel's ability....and have to say...BM might be a Gigantic Bitch....but taking her Mother's dream...even if it was not real...is admirable...even if she is asshole about that too. |
JarjaxleJun 1, 2017 12:03 PM
| Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.~Winston Churchill "Fate of the universe will be Decided as it SHOULD be, in MORTAL KOMBAT!" ~Elder Gods "Justice WILL Prevail?" "But OF COURSE IT WILL!! WHOEVER WINS, BECOMES THE JUSTICE!!!" ~Donquixote Doflamingo (King, Pirate, Shichibukai, Philosopher(?) (One Piece)) |
| Oh wow, now that I actually look at it, you might be right. If that's true though then what we just saw is pretty confusing, cause that would mean she didn't eat all of them at the very least. I don't know if this was already discussed, but assuming you're right, then comparing this image: to this one: • "The Concealer" Giberson would have to be the Long-arm kid, with black lipstick (this would've made me think Peclo, if it weren't for the extra joint). They both also have the same teeth, pointy nose (probably red now from the booze), and apparent hair-color. • Drug Peclo would be the kid in the Deku looking gas mask thing, given the mask and also simlarly shaggy hair. Also the fact that they both carry a (albeit different type) blade. Tbh if as a kid it's supposed to be a gas-mask, it could also be an ode to the fact that his adult uniform looks akin to a Nazi's. • "God of Fortune" Du Feld would obviously be the bigger kid with sunglasses and a similar scar. Though the scar might've changed slightly, it's in the same place and they both have thick lips, spaced teeth, the same wide nose, and overall general look. Also there's the fact that it described him being with Caramel as a kid due to povery, making sense that his ambitions would bring him to being the God of Fortune • Stussy would have to be the ugly looking girl with a round nose. Though they don't share much in the field of appearance, they do have the same color hair and she clearly works hard on her appearance, and they both wear a dress. And above all that, although not in this particular picture she apparently tends to stand near the Du Feld look-a-like. Seen: That leaves "Deep Ocean Current" Umit and "Big News" Morgans unaccounted for. Best guess is maybe Morgans is a Zoan, and is the former prince "driven out by riots/revolutions" maybe motivating him to follow big stories. Granted Umit has more similarities to the prince... the freckles and the constant frown. Umit/Morgans both have the same dark eyes and a black cloak, but Umit has black hair... so Umit's probably the panda kid, or one of the kids further behind Caramel. I mean, technically there's already been hinted cannibalism in the past with the Kumate tribe, who tried to eat Buggy and his crew. While it didn't happen and it was mostly a humorous scene they were still described as a tribe of cannibals. And Bartolomeo is also called "the Cannibal". While there hasn't been blatant cannibalism, it's still been referenced so I doubt he'd be afraid to use it if it furthers the story. And even if it didn't happen, there's no denying that he's trying to make us believe that they were cannibalized. Personally I don't think cannibalism is as fucked up a concept as some people make it out to be. In my opinion slavery alone is a worse concept than cannibalism. Or the shit that Vegapunk did in the past. While Oda may not like to get super gritty in what he shows, there's some incredibly deep and dark concepts. I also don't think any of that has to do with being Shounen. Gore and cannibalism are both concepts that can fit into Shounen... just look at Attack on Titan. This just happens to be a popular style in shounen magazines. Granted after the theory that the kids are the underworld leaders, she definitely couldn't have eaten them all. However, Caramel is most certainly dead if Big Mom has the fruit. Something clearly doesn't add up either way, since it can't be coincidence if Caramel was an underworld big wig and all those kids ended up running the underworld themselves. But if Caramel didn't die then and there, how did Big Mom just happen to get her Devil Fruit? The kids' screams of terror could've easily been the WG coming to take them away, but it still doesn't explain the Devil Fruit thing... or why Caramel skipped on her chance at making her greatest and final haul. |
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HalibelTheEspadaJun 1, 2017 12:10 PM
| Finally good chapter. Caramel was bad person... usually women's in this manga were disgusting good persons. 5/5 Giants are so weak, pathetic. |
Taito10Jun 1, 2017 12:18 PM
Isterio said: Well my point here is mainly that whether or not Big Mom did it, I don't think it's a concept Oda doesn't use simply because he's afraid to use it... only that it's not something that furthers the plot. I also don't think that one way or the other it's a writing failure/cheap way out... on one, if it did happen, I can see it entirely in her nature to go that crazy. Especially if you take a step back to notice that this exact dessert (Croquembouche) is the same one she went crazy enough over to kill her son in chapter 829: On the other hand, if she didn't I would hardly call it a "cop-out". No series ever could really be considered successful without these sorts of misleading things. It's nothing more than a writing technique to keep things interesting... if every single thing in any series was exactly the way it appears then no one would find it engaging. Isterio said: Or no one died during that day and Caramel simply died out of old age or whatever on a different day, while the children grew to be the underworld dealers. But that is a very incomplete theory. Even if that were true, then it calls to question how did it just happen to make it's way into Big Mom's hands down the road? I think it's implied that no one was aware that Caramel had a Devil Fruit before Big Mom went crazy on Elbaf, so no one should've known what it was called. And Linlin didn't see enough of it to figure out what the fruit did, so there's no way she could've actively tried to locate the fruit. No matter what actually happened, I think it's too farfetched to assume that at least Caramel didn't die here... whether it was the WG who killed her, or Linlin, or someone else. It's just too unreasonable to accept that she just happened to come across the fruit years later after Caramel died and specifically eat that one, when I'd imagine she's had access to so many others. Isterio said: Well this is entirely plausible. And at the moment it's what I believe probably happened. It's reasonable to assume that the WG wasn't just gonna let Caramel walk away after all the things she knows, and with all that money they'd be handing her.If the WG was dealing with Caramel, who said they didn´t take her out and gave Big Mom her fruit in the hopes of creating a great weapon that just went rogue and build her own pirate crew? However I'm not completely dismissing the possibility of her eating Caramel. If she can eat a dessert 50 times bigger than her without growing in size and leaving nothing but a little of it on her chin... then I think it's within possibility for her to eat Caramel whole or at least without a mess. Not to mention she ate pieces of the table. The only thing that would really stand out to me is that would mean she somehow singled Caramel out and only ate her and not the others. So, while I agree that she probably didn't eat them, I don't see anything wrong with that... nor what's wrong with people being mislead by something obviously intended to mislead. It's like when someone says something morbid or racist jokingly, but not everyone can tell that it's a joke. Just because something's obvious to someone, doesn't mean it is to everyone else. |
HalibelTheEspadaJun 1, 2017 1:22 PM
| I was honestly starting to doubt the spoilers, I'll be damned. It wasn't even subtle. Maybe we're just being misled, but it was *definitely* implied. Their singing Binks Sake! zonzon14 said: Also for those of you saying cannibalism hasn't been in one piece its heavily implied that big mom ate the messenger during the fishman island arc when pudding is first shown nah probably just one of those talking foods thing |
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thebrentinator24 said: To be fair, it has never been said nor suggested that this is the only method possible for obtaining the powers of the Devil Fruit. Even now, we still know very little about how they work. We can only guess from the little we've seen, and even less we've been told.If she really ate them all then that's fucking crazy. I doubt she gained the powers of the Soul-Soul fruit directly through eating Mother Caramel though. If I remember correctly, once a DF user dies, the nearest fruit takes on the form of their DF, so that's probably what happened and then Linlin ate it. This chapter also potentially explained the reason why Linlin doesn't let anyone leave her crew, because of past abandonment issues. As far as what fruits work, I feel like there's no specific reason Caesar chose apples... aside from maybe being the cheapest or easiest to acquire. It would be weirder for him to have a huge assorment of fruits. However if the anime is to be trusted here, it was an apple before the Smiley ever "ate" it. Therefore it could be that it has to be the same kind of fruit as the original. Either way though, as far as I know that was the only one that was even an apple. Luffy's , Ace's and Kalifa's looked like some sort of melons, as you mentioned Kaku's was bananas, and Law's looked like a mix between a peach and a strawberry. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that if someone were to hypothetically eat another DF user, then they'd absorb whatever the latter had absorbed from the fruit. I'm sure that in Blackbeard's case he probably took a fruit in there with him or it's just the fact that his fruit, aside from controlling darkness, seems centered on the ability to absorb things he created a space where he was the only thing around to absorb it and forced it into his body. Whatever the case though, I think after Wano (maybe before since Caesar is still around) we'll finally get to see Vegapunk and learn the secrets of the Devil Fruits. |
| [quote=HalibelTheEspada message=50948484] Well my point here is mainly that whether or not Big Mom did it, I don't think it's a concept Oda doesn't use simply because he's afraid to use it... only that it's not something that furthers the plot. I agree with this, but my personal major problem is the tone of the story within this chapter. What is the theme? What is the moral? You can tell a story without a moral but when you change it´s tone you must earn it. From Dusk Till Dawn is a brilliant Movie because if it´s tonal shift, but the Movie was consistent, one of my favorite comedies Adam´s Apples is a dark comedy mixed with drama, but it´s a great Movie because the director knew how to alternate between the comedy and the drama and by it´s end reached a satisfying conclusion. This chapter is plain amateurish praying at it´s audiences curiosity. The level of laziness it depicts is equal to that of pairing trolling or teenage edge. Will they or won´t they NOO THE DRAMA. Oh noo he ripped his head off, my god such gruesome storytelling, or didn´t he? HalibelTheEspada said: I also don't think that one way or the other it's a writing failure/cheap way out... on one, if it did happen, I can see it entirely in her nature to go that crazy. Especially if you take a step back to notice that this exact dessert (Croquembouche) is the same one she went crazy enough over to kill her son in chapter 829: It´s not about being believeable or not. Oda has reached the point of inconsistency where he could let a guy trip and die to a stone on the road because "he let his guard down". I know it´s Shounen cliche, but it was always bullshit to have that unstoppable force of nature tank nukes but then die to a knife because he let his guard down for a second during which he didn´t have his godpowers. HalibelTheEspada said: On the other hand, if she didn't I would hardly call it a "cop-out". No series ever could really be considered successful without these sorts of misleading things. It's nothing more than a writing technique to keep things interesting... if every single thing in any series was exactly the way it appears then no one would find it engaging. Obviously A Song of Ice and Fire owes his popularity to this concept, but unlike One Piece where the plottwist can be "whatever" because "Oda said so", you´ll get a proper explanation with foreshadowed intrigue because those books are professionally written. You can predict anything in those books by thinking outside the box and putting the puzzles together the author presents to the audience. Unlike the piece of shit TV show equivalent or One Piece HalibelTheEspada said: But that is a very incomplete theory. Even if that were true, then it calls to question how did it just happen to make it's way into Big Mom's hands down the road? I think it's implied that no one was aware that Caramel had a Devil Fruit before Big Mom went crazy on Elbaf, so no one should've known what it was called. Wrong, it´s implied that the giants of Elbaf didn´t knew anything about Caramels Devil fruit. Don´t forgett that they apparently don´t know what Devil fruits are since they mistake it for a miracle. We have no insight on the World Government and their knowledge about Caramel, but judging from her discussion witht he agents, they are bound to know something given the fact that she was on the run for all those years. HalibelTheEspada said: And Linlin didn't see enough of it to figure out what the fruit did, so there's no way she could've actively tried to locate the fruit. This is true, which is the reason I proposed the theory down below. But it´s also not out of the question that Linlin happened to get across that fruit by coincidence, it´s a Shounen after all and they thrive in it. HalibelTheEspada said: No matter what actually happened, I think it's too farfetched to assume that at least Caramel didn't die here... whether it was the WG who killed her, or Linlin, or someone else. It's just too unreasonable to accept that she just happened to come across the fruit years later after Caramel died and specifically eat that one, when I'd imagine she's had access to so many others. Considering that it´s One Piece and Shounen in general have way worse convenient bullshit excuses for why things worked out the way they did it wouldn´t surprise me if she happened to just come across that fruit first. At this point we should ask ourselves if Roger didn´t have the Gomu Gomu No Mi, who Shanks sought out as a Memento from his deceased captain. It´s covenient enough how he turned out to become a Yonkou and been a member of the pirate Kings crew without ever telling Luffy, or how Crocos turned out to be their ships captain. |
IsterioJun 1, 2017 2:34 PM
sakamoto-kun said: The most important info in this chapter was this. Oda introduced us another way how one can come into the possession of an ability, eating the previous owner is now officialy also an option. I think Oda just ripped off that idea from SnK (Attack on Titan). Eating people to gain powers... So Teach ate the heart of White Beard. Or his Dicck... |
Canaas said: I don't get why everyone assumes if Big Mom did eat Caramel and everyone else, that then necessarily she got the Soul Soul fruit from eating Caramel. It could've happened like you explained, but One Piece is usually very straight forward, so it's basically safe to assume that she ate her along with her power. Unless we get a proper explaination we've to go along with what we've seen. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Caramel is Miss Bakkin, she is with Weevil now. The disappearance has another meaning. |
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| Caramel is a trickster.. she is exactly like those Sisters from The Promised Neverland lol. I wonder did Big Mom really eat them all? :O Next chapter will be the start between Luffy vs Big Mom i guess? Can't wait for it! |
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| I feel like you're making it out like every single part of a series has to have a moral behind it. Hell, there's really nothing that forces any story to have a moral at the end of the day. While it's a major practice in writing, all a story is, is a form of entertainment... there are many great and famous stories that have no moral or "point". Even though there usually is a moral somewhere in One Piece, it pretty much always is at the end of an arc, and usually is given by Luffy. Not some crazy murderer. I don't think there was supposed to be a "moral" behind this flashback... the only "point" was to give some quick backstory to what Caramel meant to Big Mom. But I also think there's a little more underlying implications here that we haven't quite understood yet. I think we'll find more on that by the end of this fight here. I honestly don't understand your comparison here at all... I don't think anything like that happened here. It's not like it blatantly suggested that she ate them. It's just the first thing that pops into one's head in this scene, but as we've both agreed, anyone who actually takes a minute to look at it can see that's most likely not what happened. Isterio said: While I completely understand your grievances with things like this. Pell and C.C's poison being cured are things I didn't agree with... but I really just don't think it's as blown up as you're making it out to be. BUT, while maybe not a nuke, it technically IS possibly to survive a bomb at point-blank range... it's just incredibly unlikely, but when you consider the concussive force could definitely throw him into the empty dunes of the desert, there's at least some believability to it. In reality, the bomb shouldn't have had much shrapnel, and unless whiplash killed him I think there's room for suspension of belief... even if it made the scene pretty stupid and redundant. I don't know about the tripping on a stone bit... I realize that Kuina died falling down stairs, but she was also an average human who was not at superhuman level like many of the characters are now. But that was also 10+ years ago for both of those things. While it still happens every once in a while, it is at worst every 100 chapters or so... which is 2 years by the way. I feel like there's got to be some room for compromise here, because there are a lot of patterns that are here to stay, and have been for years, and there are some that aren't. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results, so you've gotta realize by now that this is going to just keep happening. It's been happening since chapter 1. Isterio said: I'll try not to dive into this too much lest we get in a series comparison war. I haven't read all of the series, but I've read a good bit... and since you apparently hate the show I won't use that. But I do find it laughable calling Song of Ice and Fire professionally written. George R.R. Martin, to me, defines laziness. There is a limit to what you can excuse as "research purposes". It took him 40+ years to write 8 books. Not 8 long books either, 8 average sized novels. And despite the time he claims to have put in, I still think Lord of the Rings was more detailed and well-written.Harry Potter has more effort put into than GoT, and also has much much more content. A professionally written fantasy series is The Sword of Truth series, or The Wheel of Time. One of my favorites, The Legend of Drizzt, while it has its flaws he's created 30+ books in in half the time and I would say they're far more creative and intuitive than Song of Ice and Fire. I just can't accept calling that a professionally written series... as far as I'm concerned, while I think it's a decent series I would say it's as far from professional as you can get. It's written by a guy who just can't collect his thoughts properly. I'll also have to disagree that everything is predictable in that. I've always considered that series to be on the complete opposite side of the spectrum that you're criticizing . It's a series that relies solely on its "moxie" for killing off any character. There are so many times when I've seen characters killed for reasons I that really made no sense whatsoever to me. Even when they were explained I was just like "I can't, for the life of me, believe that anyone would ever react that way." And for a series that anything and everything can kill absolutely anyone, all of the main characters that are still alive are the only ones who shouldn't be. Isterio said: That's not entirely true. Hajrudin, directly from Elbaf, sought to win the Mera Mera no Mi in the Colosseum. Whether they did or didn't know about Devil Fruits at the time is besides the point though, because I was denouncing their awareness in the first place. Giants weren't the only ones to see it... I also meant the kids who apparently grew to be underground brokers who happen to work with Big Mom as well.As far as what the World Government knows about her... she was working for them so they should be completely aware. I'm sure very few except maybe some of the higher ups knew, but Ciper Pol are direct WG agencies. So parts of the WG is aware to say the least, and those are the parts I was referring to. Isterio said: Well I for one don't accept that One Piece has or ever will sunk that low. That's beyond suspension of belief, and IF that became true then you would indeed be right about these 2 chapters being pointless. However I don't think coincidences are a major part of One Piece, especially compared to most series.Isterio said: Shanks wasn't a Yonkou when Luffy was a kid... and we don't even know at what point Yonkou even existed in universe. I'd imagine, especially at the time, Shanks wouldn't want the world knowing about his relation to the pirate king... same with Crocos in his old age. You can see what happened to both Tom and Ace. Shanks probably would not have been able to handle the fallout back then. When you look at how impulsive Luffy is and how he never keeps his mouth shut, who would tell him their greatest secret that would get them killed immediately in the wrong hands?I wouldn't say it's convenient that they met Crocos either, if that's what you're implying. He's at the entrance of the Grand Line, it's a surefire assumption that most everyone who entered the Grand Line through Reverse mountain has met him. And considering Rayleigh was at the middle of the Grand Line, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if another Roger Pirate were at the end. I really doubt Roger had the Gomu Gomu no Mi though or any Devil Fruit tbh. This would've been a fact that everyone would've recognized him for. We also know that he fought with a sword and pistol. I don't really see it plausible. I realize the Straw Hat would be a hard thing to miss as well, but we also don't know at what point in his infamy that he discarded it and gave it to Shanks. We only know that he had it when he met Rayleigh. By the time he became recognized as Pirate King he no longer wore the hat, so it probably wasn't a big part of his character... but being made of rubber I'm pretty sure that at least some of his old enemies would've been surprised seeing Luffy with the same powers declaring his dreams to be Pirate King. |
HalibelTheEspadaJun 1, 2017 9:14 PM
| whooa, Mother Caramel is a notorious in the underworld. they suddenly dissapeard into thin air? nahh, I think they're being eaten by her. or, her happiness emit power that turn people into ashes, leaving their clothes behind. |
Citruswarrior said: Honestly I doubt Oda reads Shingeki... and since that was only revealed in like the last 4-5 chapters only someone caught up would know about that. Besides, 4-5 chapters is only half a year, this arc started long before that. I doubt he just up and said "Woah that's a good idea, let's change my plans here." towards the climax of the arc.wakutan said: I think Oda just ripped off that idea from SnK (Attack on Titan). Eating people to gain powers... So Teach ate the heart of White Beard. Or his Dicck... Yeah reading the spoiler it felt like an One Piece x Attack on Titan x The Promised Neverland hybrid, but back in vol. 16 a fan asked Oda: D: I am Jim Joel Satou!! And I have a question. IF I EAT LUFFY, CAN I BECOME A GOMU HUMAN?! O: You'd get food poisoning. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_16 he could have the idea from him or he had it even before and didnt want to spoil. Also that SBS doesn't actually confirm or deny anything. That could simply be because Luffy is made of rubber, I'm sure rubber's not exactly great for your health. But still it doesn't answer the question... just gives a random fact. Besides I don't even think she actually ate anyone here. I think she just zoned out from what was happening around her and the WG came and did something. |
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