Mystogan03 said: The Grandmaster is most likely Aidios or related to Aidios, that's why she knows of what will happen, but she's just there to tell Ouroboros members to activate Sept-Terrions(so activating Gospel plan worked out, Phantsmal Blaze Plan worked, and now currently we're on the Eternal Regression Plan and this was all mapped out by the Grandmaster/Aidios herself)I saw something some days ago and I kinda agree We play with Class VII. Class VII is diminished by Rean SHITwarzer ''greatness''. Laura train everyday but Rean somehow is stronger than her. Crow used Ordine for 2 years and yet Rean defeated him with the power of friendship. Emma is trying to lift the curse from Rean's body and discover the truth in Erebonia like her mother but she fails in both cause she is not the main protagonist. Rean SHITwarzer is a passive MC and never moves the plot forward, except when people tied to class vii start to being caught in the ''war'' The responsible for moves the plot are the 4D Chess between the Arnors. Olivier is a good character in SKY but in CS his character sucks. Musse = Shit. The arnors are hostage of Ishmelga's curse. The entire ''Trails series'' from Sky FC to CS4 was a great prophecy observed by AZOTH who writted the Black Records and alowed Osborne (the fake main antagonist) to trick Ishmelga and destroy it But somehow Ouroboros members are above all of it and it was all acording to Grandmaster's plan I mean...WTF! They ruined 7 games of wordbuilding in CS3 just for that shit ending? |
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| To be honest: I only know Trails in the Sky (first two parts I think their is also a 3rd one with the church guy that I did not play). Someone recommended it. For the newer games my computer is too old I barely game anything - besides old RPG maker games maybe. :D Newer games (the Cold Steel ones - afaik this anime is related to them) I saw on Steam ... in the later parts screenshots that looked like they were (still) on some military academy - some characters. Do not like that the Japanese have to fit schools/academies into everything. And wile for the Trails in the Sky I liked the 2nd part where the plot developed a lot ... it hat it's weaknesses (even in the 2nd part a bit still) - the setup with the different areas and missions ... felt episodic. And espcially in the first half it was pretty boring. I hope this anime can be watched standalone since I do not plan to play the Cold Steel games - and I hope the plot is going to be straightforward. No SoL or school festival included. :D Just military action and strategizing + politics maybe. |
Luthandorius said: To be honest: I only know Trails in the Sky (first two parts I think their is also a 3rd one with the church guy that I did not play). Someone recommended it. For the newer games my computer is too old I barely game anything - besides old RPG maker games maybe. :D Newer games (the Cold Steel ones - afaik this anime is related to them) I saw on Steam ... in the later parts screenshots that looked like they were (still) on some military academy - some characters. Do not like that the Japanese have to fit schools/academies into everything. And wile for the Trails in the Sky I liked the 2nd part where the plot developed a lot ... it hat it's weaknesses (even in the 2nd part a bit still) - the setup with the different areas and missions ... felt episodic. And espcially in the first half it was pretty boring. I hope this anime can be watched standalone since I do not plan to play the Cold Steel games - and I hope the plot is going to be straightforward. No SoL or school festival included. :D Just military action and strategizing + politics maybe. The anime takes place after CS2 so the anime will be lost on you. |
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| i don't think ToCS is anywhere near as charming as Sky (have not played the intervening games) but as annoying as it could be with cringey writing, harem nonsense, etc. i did enjoy the games. definitely going to watch the show and i hope it's more focused on the overarching plot. as for @RedRaven023 i really don't know what you mean by hate speech. 1. if you see so called "hate speech" report it 2. not liking something is not "hate speech" 3. you mocked people just for replying, in a reply you yourself made 4. saying "if this opinion offends don't reply" but that's literally what you did; got offended and replied in an offensive manner not sure how they're going to handle this show but it probably would have been better to release a couple years ago. i have mixed feelings about rean as a protaganist too but he had some moments that were okay, and even more moments where he was a boring generic self insert like kirito from SAO. i have played all of cold steel and while the gameplay is nice and the plot can be interesting the characters and their interactions were a bit cliche but i still hope this show is interesting. |
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| Funny how anything related to Trails or Ys gets turned into a shitpost fest with people fighting over their hottest take.. The Trails series is in a fine place, sure CS 3&4 were a bit weak in terms of storytelling then it's perqual games. But they are in no way lazy writing or bad. However i agree that Trails and Ys are both heading into a generic pitfall, pleasing the masses with les depth in the story and more anime tropes, harmes, bathing scene's and horny teens (Trails way more then Ys anyway, but Laxia in Ys 8 is a prime example of forcing tropes into the game).. Anyways on to the show, since we dont know alot about Ambria it could prove to be good story. Even though the first episode had me struggeling to keep my attention.. |
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| Im of the opposite mind. Like most western fans the Cold steel series was the series that intrduced me to the series. While the troupes that you mentioned were pretty jarring when compared to the first arcs i was actually quite surprised at how well these same trouples combined with the strong narrative, world building and character developemnt for the main and support cast of the series. Indeed seeing class seven not just grow over the course of the game both individually and in the way they affect those they meet in their journey is what made the team so endearing and their bonding moments that much more heartfelt. Of course this is just my opinion after all. On a side note which JRPG has bonding monents that carry over in the first place? because thats not how bonding moments work in the first place. |
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| ooh whoop dee doo we got a mister fancy pants over here. Ugh, the writing is dreadful LMAO For real though, the writing was fine. A little long winded. the story felt spread a bit thin over FOUR games. The ending kinda sucked. Well, the ending for the main plot but the character romance ends were just packed with feels, man. I cried manly tears. these characters are so loveable. how could you not? That to me is the main draw to JRPGs. I'm not here for masterful writing. I am here to go on a road trip with anime friends and maybe save the world while we're at it. I doubt the anime can do it justice. |
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AzurealX said: For the uninitiated. The Kiseki series, or Trails series in English are a long-running JRPG series spanning an overarching narrative across 10 titles, soon to be 11. The first 2 arcs which consist of the first 5 installments are respected through out JRPG circles for their attention to world building and charming characters with organic interactions. Now, this anime is related to the third arc in the series, Trails of Cold Steel and it's reputation is a lot less... pristine. It dives head first into generic Light Novel character archetypes and tropes, something which wasn't present nearly at all in the former arcs and does nothing with them, it introduces a bonding/Harem system that actively hampers character development as some characters' character arcs are locked behind specific bonding events. And even more insulting, the ''chosen waifu'' doesn't carry over from game to game... IN AN OVERARCHING NARRATIVE. This creates a jarring disconnect between each sequel and detracts from the already shallow cast solely designed around waifu appeal points. All of that on top of tons of filler side plots and padding that effectively turn a main narrative that could've been told in 30 hours into a 50+ hour journey. TLDR: The Cold Steel games are bad and this will probably be bad. OP: Cold steel games are bad, worst in the franchise. The whole world: literally never even heard of the trails franchise until cold steel. Maybe Cold Steel is actually good and carried the whole franchise bringing a bunch of new fans ? ... Nah, the world must be trippin. |
| Where they recycle enemies after I'm done beating them hard? The series where there are no repercussions to antagonist actions? "Oh we raped an entire village, let me have this cringe opening speech before we fight". I beat them and somehow I see them later on and MC will use talk no jutsu. |
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| To me it does not seem like we'd need to play the games first. As I explained before: I played Trails in the Sky the first and 2nd chapter. Nothing else of the series. (No Cold Steel no 3rd chapter of Sky and no Crossbell Arc.) I recognized Campanella in the OP. There might be stuff you recognize when you know all the games. But they seem to explain a lot - as we could see in episode one with the salt stuff and the history of North Umbria. Of course people that know the details might already know a lot more about Jaegers and stuff (I googled them) - but they might bring more info later. You can't just make the first episodes with giving history lessons only - would scare away the watchers. And when it is for advertising and for the game-fans only ... they usually adapt first arcs close to the game ... then suddenly stop so people would have buy the game. This might work as standalone as well - side story-like ... maybe? So people that want to know more ... can play the game. (To get themi interested in the games.) While otherst still could watch it standalone. |
Musika said: Something being popular doesn't make it good, I don't know if that's a foreign concept to you. The majority of the core Kiseki fanbase hates Cold Steel or is at the very least conflicted on it because of the amount of retcons it forced into the world while flanderizing every character from former arcs, except people that have played ONLY Cold Steel and don't mind consuming shit like Asterisk War, SAO, so on for breakfast, those people's peak fiction is just the average mediocre anime seasonal. But it's suddenly different with Cold Steel cause they're long running video games, coming from a franchise with established good will.AzurealX said: For the uninitiated. The Kiseki series, or Trails series in English are a long-running JRPG series spanning an overarching narrative across 10 titles, soon to be 11. The first 2 arcs which consist of the first 5 installments are respected through out JRPG circles for their attention to world building and charming characters with organic interactions. Now, this anime is related to the third arc in the series, Trails of Cold Steel and it's reputation is a lot less... pristine. It dives head first into generic Light Novel character archetypes and tropes, something which wasn't present nearly at all in the former arcs and does nothing with them, it introduces a bonding/Harem system that actively hampers character development as some characters' character arcs are locked behind specific bonding events. And even more insulting, the ''chosen waifu'' doesn't carry over from game to game... IN AN OVERARCHING NARRATIVE. This creates a jarring disconnect between each sequel and detracts from the already shallow cast solely designed around waifu appeal points. All of that on top of tons of filler side plots and padding that effectively turn a main narrative that could've been told in 30 hours into a 50+ hour journey. TLDR: The Cold Steel games are bad and this will probably be bad. OP: Cold steel games are bad, worst in the franchise. The whole world: literally never even heard of the trails franchise until cold steel. Maybe Cold Steel is actually good and carried the whole franchise bringing a bunch of new fans ? ... Nah, the world must be trippin. This anime getting poor ratings is well deserved, and because the anime community has no sunk cost fallacy like a lot of people in the fanbase iwth the amount of time they've invested, they're pretty capable of rating it more accurately. This 6.57 rating is pretty fitting. The writing of the CS games isn't substantially different at all but the Falcom community has existed only in a bubble so far, this is the first real taste they have with any general non-initiated community and it shows what your average joe would think about Cold Steel's writing. |
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| It's such a shame the MAL rating of the anime is low cuz some of the fans of the Liberl games and the Crossbell games are review-bombing the anime cuz they hate the Erebonia games so much. Peeps are too salty that Erebonia (Cold Steel) games are more mainstream and thus is getting an anime ig. They should've omitted Cold Steel from the anime title imo. Since animes protag is not Erebonian. And the plot takes place in North Ambria. Might've helped the anime flow under the radar of all the Cold Steel haters. |
| The major reasons Cold Steel wasn't as good as the previous two aren't present here. No self insert protagonist, no harem screwing up the potential of all characters to pair up progressively among one another, no overuse of deus ex machina considering what will happen, etc. Also the rating for the first episode is low because it was an exposition episode, and anime fans hate exposition with passion. Said exposition was necessary and if they were abiding the "show, don't tell" rule here it would have taken many episodes to convey even the strict necessary informations, so ImO they did the right call. Now, the show has to convince peoples that the protagonist is interesting (she barely did anything nor said anything on the first episode) , that the plot is interesting (the plot didn't really start in the first episode, it was just setting up things), etc. If it does, score will go up naturally especially at the end of the show. If it cannot convince, then the rating will unfortunately be deserved. |
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| I just hope I won't see this in anime....... ------------------------------------------------- Kiseki writing 101 ................................................. 1. Go to new region 2. Something happened 3.MCs group get involved and tries to fix it 4. Meet a new strong boss character(s) 5. Mcs group lost to him 6. Someone come to help 7. Boss run away. 8. Repeat Step 1-7 for every chapters ................................................ |
Marina2Jan 12, 2023 7:39 PM
| I just wish the politics would be just like in the Crossbell series. I thought the tug-of-war between nations acting for their own self-interest was one of their best. |
UTMAN said: I love how you only focused on 1-3 when I wrote 1-8 as the entire pattern. Please focus on 4-7, especially.Marina2 said: I just hope I won't see this in anime....... ------------------------------------------------- Kiseki writing 101 ................................................. 1. Go to new region 2. Something happened 3.MCs group get involved and tries to fix it 4. Meet a new strong boss character(s) 5. Mcs group lost to him 6. Someone come to help 7. Boss run away. 8. Repeat Step 1-7 for every chapters ................................................ That takes the cake for being the most disingenuous description I've ever seen someone give. So congrats. I can give you multiple chapters from multiple games from the Kiseki series that does not follow this formula, also like you just kinda(?) described most RPG/Shounen/Adventure anime. Like " 1. Go to new region 2. Something happened 3.MCs group get involved and tries to fix it" Like wtf... :D Yes let's stay in a place where nothing happens and the MC-s don't want to do anything. That sounds like a perfect and a fascinating game. It's a wonder why you are not heavily in game development. Smh.. If you really play the games, you should know what I was talking about. It not literally happened in every chapter but (4-7) is something that you see really often, for example: in Sky2nd (Not in the aforementioned pattern, but it has its own pattern that you can recognize, not as bad as Cold Steel BTW) Cold Steel 2&3. It's fine if they do it sometime, but it is boring when they follow the same pattern multiple time in roll, in the same game. Look at Cold Steel 2 final dungeon for example, after the first boss fight, other floors follow the exact same format 0. MCs enters new floor 1. MCs meet the boss 2. MC defeated them 3. BUT....The cut scene show boss powered up 4. Mcs can't fight them 5. Other character(s) come to help them 6. Mcs run away to next floor 7. Repeat 1-6 for every floors except the top floor. Like, can't they change what happens during 3-6, instead of doing the same thing over and over? |
Marina2Jan 13, 2023 11:00 AM
UTMAN said: I love how you only focused on 1-3 when I wrote 1-8 as the entire pattern. Please focus on 4-7, especially. @Marina2Well I focused on it since you were wrong from the very beginning. But since you specifically asked me ... If you really play the games, you should know what I was talking about. It not literally happened in every chapter but (4-7) is something that you see really often, for example: in Sky2nd (Not in the aforementioned pattern, but it has its own pattern that you can recognize, not as bad as Cold Steel BTW) Cold Steel 2&3. So Sky 2nd... There are 8 chapters with a final one. 1st and 2nd chapter that's indeed the case. Against Blueblanc they get their shadow bound and Dorothy saves them and against Walter, Zin shows up. That's the first 2. However, your pattern suddenly falls flat on its ass, since in chapter 3 they don't fight against Renne and they actually defeat the tank with Amalthea in it. Similarly, in Chapter 4 they face Luciola without any external help and in chapter 5 it's true that they get external help against Loewe, but the final boss there is Regnard who the team actually manages to free from mind control without you guessed it...external help. Then after comes the Ouroboros Facility where they are defeated and don't get any external help On the Glorius, Estelle beats the enhanced Jaegers, though she gets saved by Joshua from Loewe. Then comes the towers where the team defeats or at least manages to hold every single enforcer without external help. Then in the Liber Ark, every enforcer is defeated. The only time they get help is against the final boss after he absorbs a fucking septerrion and even that was only a small help by smashing the barrier it had. After that, they defeat him fair and square. Maybe the first 2 chapters generously fit your points and the rest are nowhere near close to what you wrote. , not as bad as Cold Steel 2&3. Oh Cold Steel 3? Once again no, not really. Chapter 1 finale, Class VII defeats Duvalie and Shirley and they defeat the Aion. No external help. Chapter 2 finale, they manage to hold off McBurn and Campanella and defeat the Aion. No external help. Chapter 3 finale. This is where they get help from Aurelia, without her they would not have been able to defeat Arianrhod. Chapter 4 finale. They defeat the Dark Dragon without any external help. Final Dungeon/Spiral of Erebos, they manage to hold off every single boss but they are ultimately defeated. Where are they getting any external help exactly to defeat the chapter's last boss? If you thinking mid-chapter shennanigans, well it's not really "other characters" since every time members of Class VII come. Look at Cold Steel 2 final dungeon for example, after the first boss fight, other floors follow the exact same format 0. MCs enters new floor 1. MCs meet the boss 2. MC defeated them 3. BUT....The cut scene show boss powered up 4. Mcs can't fight them 5. Other character(s) come to help them 6. Mcs run away to next floor 7. Repeat 1-6 for every floors except the top floor. Like, can't they change what happens during 3-6, instead of doing the same thing over and over? Wait wait wait.... You are immediately disqualified. That's not the final dungeon. The final dungeon is the Reverie Corridor. ANd if I am being technical even that isn't the final, but the Geofront. But I'm not going to go there. Now we made this clear. Let's go with what you said. There are differences between the floors. There is nuance to it. Especially 1/2 and 3. There are 4 main floors. 1. floor there is Blueblanc and Duvalie. They manage to beat them. They indeed power up. It's not like they can't fight them. They certainly could. They just don't have time. So 2 people tag them out so they can continue. 2. floor similar pattern against this floor's boss. The only floor they get actually saved is at floor 3. Where they are outclassed, and Rean considers bringing Valimar in. IF you look back he did not even think about bringing it in at the first 2 floors. And in the final floor, they do 4 boss battles without external help. -They defeat Crow/Vita - Defeat Crow in a Divine Knight battle - Defeat Vermillion Apocalypse - Defeat Vermillion Apocalypse in a Divine Knight Battle So we have 3 boss fights where they get "saved" and 4 others where they don't. I am not in the mood to write an overly long reply, I will only talk about your reply on Cold Steel 2 since I believe it is the easiest way to get my point across to you. Those little detail you mentioned are different, yes, but in in the end - What happens in each floor is basically the same twist & turn (in general) -- Which is: [Our MCs are ALWAYS unable to completely defeat the boss of each floor (except the top floor) and after the boss fight, someone will ALWAYS appear to keep those bosses busy in order to let MCs group advance to the next floor] Those are what I meant by 'the pattern' Not every little details are the same, but overall event are the same, repetitive story progression. |
Marina2Jan 13, 2023 1:07 PM
| Yeah, I went ahead and dropped this as soon as I realized it was based on a game. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
UTMAN said: @Marina2 I am not in the mood to write an overly long reply, I will only talk about your reply on Cold Steel 2 since I believe it is the easiest to get my point across to you. Those little detail you mentions are different, yes, but in in the end - What happens in each floor is basically the same twist & turn (in general) -- Which is: [Our MCs are ALWAYS unable to completely defeat the boss of each floor (except the top floor) and after the boss fight, someone will ALWAYS appear to keep those bosses busy in order to let MCs group advance to the next floor] Those are what I meant by 'the pattern' Not every little details are the same, but overall event are the same, repetitive progression. Your first post was initially that every single chapter follows the same pattern, not we are here, you pushing the goalpost to one of the dungeons. You literally contradict yourself by claiming every single floor, except the top floor. I literally counted every single boss fight for you, and counted 3 where someone appears and 4 where they defeat the boss. And even if in this particular dungeon they get help... they defeat before this: - Vulcan - Scarlet - Altina - Duvalie (when she protects Helmut Albarea) etc... It's not like this pattern where they get help keeps repeating even before the whole dungeon, so I really don't understand your point here. Also, this stuff humanizes characters. Like they are not all-powerful walking Gary/Mary Stue-s and might need sometimes some side character's help. Also, this makes their development in CS3/4 more satisfying since I explained to you that in CS3 they are more than capable of holding out against Ouroboros' best. For example, Emma/Gaius and Laura could hold off Arianrhod and McBurn. Those little detail you mentioned are different, yes, but in in the end - This is why I called you disingenuous. Like these little details, what makes it different. Like what stops you from making comments like "Well JRPG-s suck cause they all follow the same pattern. Make some basic characters. Some world. Something happens. Villain show up, and at the end a final dungeon happens".Technically you would be right since like if you break it down to its core yeah JRPG-s are kinda the same. But we both know the devil is in the details. I believe I said at the beginning that I only focus on your reply on Cold Steel 2 (which refer to the part about 'the tower') NOT in the reference to my whole post before?? If it will make you feel satisfy, I will accept that I was wrong for using the world 'every' but the fact is still reamin that there are many repetitive part in each game used that same twist many time in roll. " Like these little details, what makes it different." - Those little details make thing different ,but not different enough. They could've made each floor play out differently like: The First floor - happened the same way as showed in the game The Second floor - The fight between Mcs group and boss resulted in the collapse of the ground which prevent bosses to follow you to the next floor. Your group don't encounter any friend. The Third floor - You meet your friend(s) at the beginning of the floor (if they can appear out of nowhere after the boss fight, they can appear at the start of the floor too) they travel together to fight the floor boss, In the end, the fight between our group and the bosses results in that friend(s) get wounded and the bosses escaped. Mcs group has to travel to next floor without their friend(s). At this point some other non-playable friends appear to carry the wounded friend away to the safety while wishing us a good luck. Etc... Get my point yet? Those change in detail actually make each floor play out different from each other. They are not the same [Our MCs are ALWAYS unable to completely defeat the boss of each floor (except the top floor) and after the boss fight, someone will ALWAYS appear to keep those bosses busy in order to let MCs group advance to the next floor] repeatably used for many time in roll. ...................... Just to be clear. I am fine with game play loop of [1.Go to new location 2. Fix the problem 3. Fight the boss] since it is a basic of adventure RPG story writing but I have problem when section(s) of the story reuse too many same/similar 'twist' to progress the plot. I am not saying the way Kiseki games done it was bad. They are very enjoyable by the standard of JRPG plot but they could've done it a lot better.... P.S. My favorite activity in Kiseki games is to go around talking with every NPC in the area to check out how their dialogue have changed over time. |
Marina2Jan 13, 2023 10:25 PM
AzurealX said: absolutely gigachad based desuAre you shitting me lmao? Barely any LN elements? Rean is literally every katana wielding black haired LN protag in existence. Coupled with the characters being one dimensional tropes like a Kuudere, Tsundere, etc. and the first character conflict literally opens with Rean accidentally groping Alisa's boobs in a typical LN fashion. The harem aspect itself is a LN trope and is a lot more prominent than you're claiming it is. As to why it's a flaw? It quite literally forces the characters to be written in such a way that there's always an open door for Rean to waifu any girl whenever he wants and actively ruins character dynamics that fans wanted to see, like Kurt and Juna. It doesn't help that the cast has zero chemistry together because they have NO TIME to build it up. Why? Because they're too busy talking about how amazing Rean is. The Bonding system also really hurts the overarching aspect of the series. Because the relationships literally reset every game, making the canonical state of the character relations crappy and vague, with every female stuck at the stage where they potentially have a crush on Rean. Cold Steel 3 and 4 are not only poorly balanced in terms of gameplay to the point where the gameplay is essentially Craft spamming, whereas Sky and Crossbell required you to plan your moves, buff yourself with Arts, etc. when needed and so on - Rean is a broken unit. Then there's Cold Steel actively retconning stuff from the previous arcs. Even that aside, how about Cold Steel 4? It took a crap on every villain the series was building up to that point. All the villains that Class 7 beat there were shown to be able to beat all of Class 7 while SOLO, but they actually lost in a GAUNTLET of all things, fell one after another because ''CLASS 7 IS DETERMINED'' yay friendship power. It's the single worst offender of power scaling in the series. Also, so what if Rean is the most popular Trails character? That's partially because he's a self-insert. Literally Adol is voted as the #1 Falcom character and he's also a self-insert blank slate. Cold Steel will forever remain a stain on this franchise. Thankfully Kuro no Kiseki brought back the quality in the franchise - although the west is probably gonna get it all the way in 2025. i wish i could have played the crossbell games; the move from TiTS to ToCS was jarring, both in terms of story/characters, and overall atmosphere. the harem crap was NEVER enjoyable. with TiTs we had an amazing romance and conflicted, deep characters just to go to ToCS with mega-insert Rean and his harem of thirsty students (not to mention a background story that was supposed to make him seem deep and troubled but was really just annoying when you compare it to Joshua). |
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StateofOhayo said: Yeah, thankfully Kuro no Kiseki doesn't have harem, the relationships are dictated by the plot, not by the player. Unless Kuro 3 randomly decides to screw it up, we should be fine.AzurealX said: absolutely gigachad based desuAre you shitting me lmao? Barely any LN elements? Rean is literally every katana wielding black haired LN protag in existence. Coupled with the characters being one dimensional tropes like a Kuudere, Tsundere, etc. and the first character conflict literally opens with Rean accidentally groping Alisa's boobs in a typical LN fashion. The harem aspect itself is a LN trope and is a lot more prominent than you're claiming it is. As to why it's a flaw? It quite literally forces the characters to be written in such a way that there's always an open door for Rean to waifu any girl whenever he wants and actively ruins character dynamics that fans wanted to see, like Kurt and Juna. It doesn't help that the cast has zero chemistry together because they have NO TIME to build it up. Why? Because they're too busy talking about how amazing Rean is. The Bonding system also really hurts the overarching aspect of the series. Because the relationships literally reset every game, making the canonical state of the character relations crappy and vague, with every female stuck at the stage where they potentially have a crush on Rean. Cold Steel 3 and 4 are not only poorly balanced in terms of gameplay to the point where the gameplay is essentially Craft spamming, whereas Sky and Crossbell required you to plan your moves, buff yourself with Arts, etc. when needed and so on - Rean is a broken unit. Then there's Cold Steel actively retconning stuff from the previous arcs. Even that aside, how about Cold Steel 4? It took a crap on every villain the series was building up to that point. All the villains that Class 7 beat there were shown to be able to beat all of Class 7 while SOLO, but they actually lost in a GAUNTLET of all things, fell one after another because ''CLASS 7 IS DETERMINED'' yay friendship power. It's the single worst offender of power scaling in the series. Also, so what if Rean is the most popular Trails character? That's partially because he's a self-insert. Literally Adol is voted as the #1 Falcom character and he's also a self-insert blank slate. Cold Steel will forever remain a stain on this franchise. Thankfully Kuro no Kiseki brought back the quality in the franchise - although the west is probably gonna get it all the way in 2025. i wish i could have played the crossbell games; the move from TiTS to ToCS was jarring, both in terms of story/characters, and overall atmosphere. the harem crap was NEVER enjoyable. with TiTs we had an amazing romance and conflicted, deep characters just to go to ToCS with mega-insert Rean and his harem of thirsty students (not to mention a background story that was supposed to make him seem deep and troubled but was really just annoying when you compare it to Joshua). |
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AzurealX said: i didn't even realize this was on steam!StateofOhayo said: Yeah, thankfully Kuro no Kiseki doesn't have harem, the relationships are dictated by the plot, not by the player. Unless Kuro 3 randomly decides to screw it up, we should be fine.absolutely gigachad based desu i wish i could have played the crossbell games; the move from TiTS to ToCS was jarring, both in terms of story/characters, and overall atmosphere. the harem crap was NEVER enjoyable. with TiTs we had an amazing romance and conflicted, deep characters just to go to ToCS with mega-insert Rean and his harem of thirsty students (not to mention a background story that was supposed to make him seem deep and troubled but was really just annoying when you compare it to Joshua). |
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Mystogan03 said: razisgosu said: coldsteel fans: no you guys are all wrong! coldsteel games are amazing cause the games are amazing! (and have fanservice like bring back characters from previous games)Oh look cold steel haters, surprise surprise. The Erebonia arc of the series was great. Had tons of great moments and brought back numerous beloved cast members. The games weren't shit and didn't have terrible writing. OP is right. The anime sucks like coldsteel games cool story bro lol |
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| It's not in English. The English localization is behind by a few years. I figure that we'll have Kuro no Kiseki in English in 2024 and Kuro 2 in 2025. The first game has a fan translation spreadsheet that you can just insert into the game though. Kuro 2 doesn't because the people behind the English loc of the series took it down despite the fact they haven't even announced Kuro 1 in the west let alone 2. |
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AzurealX said: Name a single JRPG series that doesn't do this lmao everything is a trope in this genre.It dives head first into generic Light Novel character archetypes and tropes |
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