| Find it weird when a lot of people refer to budget when it comes to animation quality but from what I hear the budget for most anime seasons can be relatively the same level stuff like "flexing the budget" studios like Kyoani production budget is not so high, and it may be cheaper than others So really it’s not that their budget is any great but they’re extremely skilled at working within the limits of a budget coordination and experience is a factor of making a successful show or movie if the team is on task and communication between multiple people Directors Key Animators Animation Technical Director Animation Supervisors Episode Directors Character Designer Inbetweeners Art Director Special Effects all these people need to work in unison unlike manga anime is a united effort whereas the mangaka and even a novelist can control a lot of the aspects of the medium by themself to an extent a director can't do everything themself if they want to keep a schedule Budget matters but it won't matter if the animation team can’t synergize, plan, and effectively execute a budget matters when it comes to paying the entire staff that develops a show bigger budgets usually mean bigger teams like movies so I wonder why people simplify the many cogs of production to simply budgetary reasons |
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| "Why do people always refer to budget when they take about a shows animation" Actually it's a virtual expression of how the visuals of said show look in comparison to the visuals of other shows. It's a Hollywood lingo of sorts. It's like saying "Looks like a million bucks". Zero relation to actual money spent on production. For example "Unlimited Budget Works" is to say that Ufotable shows looking consistently good. MAPPA may spend more money but their shows frequently look half-baked mid season or even towards their ends. Dororo 2019 is a perfect (pun intended) example of that. Think about this "budget" thing more like "resources". The studio had the right stuff, the time and the organisational skills to put together a great looking product. |
alshuFeb 7, 2022 12:07 PM
alshu said: "Why do people always refer to budget when they take about a shows animation" Actually it's a virtual expression of how the visuals of said show look in comparison to the visuals of other shows. It's a Hollywood lingo of sorts. It's like saying "Looks like a million bucks". Zero relation to actual money spent on production. For example "Unlimited Budget Works" is to say that Ufotable shows looking consistently good. with "Looks like a million bucks" I can see the sarcasm cause the phrase it equating whatever visual the person is seeing to a million dollars they aren't saying that it cost a million dollars to make with "Unlimited Budget Works" and other tossed around lingo it feels more aimed at whatever budget the studio has maybe that's just the intent I get from the phrase and perhaps the people saying it actually mean something else tbh |
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| It's just saying that the reason this anime looks/moves so good is because it had more resources to succeed. I don't know where it came from, but the undertone is ridiculous. Having more resources with the next guy doesn't inherently mean you have the talent to take advantage of the resources you have. |
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KuroGFX said: it feels more aimed at whatever budget the studio has Actually nobody can tell you this budget, because exactly like Hollywood japanese companies deny such information or strait out lie about it. Some directors and producers have claimed certain numbers but I refuse to trust those...and I refuse to care. Like I go with mu guts "This looks expensive and that looks cheap.". It could be the exact opposite and the "cheap" to be the more expensive one which was ruined by some organisational problems... Manaban said: doesn't inherently mean you have the talent to take advantage of the resources you have. How about one of the resources being to have a really talented producer on board? |
alshuFeb 7, 2022 12:23 PM
| Because the logic train is: more money > hire better/more people > higher quality animation due to more talent or more people to produce It's easier to just say budget than to delve into the nuances of anime production that most people not in the industry don't know about anyway. |
alshu said: KuroGFX said: it feels more aimed at whatever budget the studio has Actually nobody can tell you this budget, because exactly like Hollywood japanese companies deny such information or strait out lie about it. Some directors and producers have claimed certain numbers but I refuse to trust those...and I refuse to care. Like I go with mu guts "This looks expensive and that looks cheap.". It could be the exact opposite and the "cheap" to be the more expensive one which was ruined by some organisational problems... Dai Sato who was a script writer for a lot of shows often says that its not necesarily one persons fault when a show goes bad its communication or organization which happens with freelance work I just think that talent and skill make a show good not budget and yeah budgets are confidential though estimates have been made but their more guesswork shots in the dark for standard productions for 13 season shows like 150,000 or 300,000 |
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AniMarter said: Because the logic train is: more money > hire better/more people > higher quality animation due to more talent or more people to produce It's easier to just say budget than to delve into the nuances of anime production that most people not in the industry don't know about anyway. the only problem I have with that particular assessment is that not all productions succeed just because of money the sequel franchise had millions for budget but the series turned out really choppy to put it lightly and it finished in a half-assed manner |
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| With less money, they have to take shortcuts in the animation. With more money, they can afford more movie-like animation. |
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KuroGFX said: that its not necesarily one persons fault when a show goes bad This is why I said "organisational problems" KuroGFX said: I just think that talent and skill make a show good not budget But without paying those guys at least minimum amount of money to pay their bills, things may go messy. And I agree that "budget" is absurdly misused here and even I do it sometimes (when I am too lazy to explain "resources" and stuff) but you got the idea. |
Manaban said: It's just saying that the reason this anime looks/moves so good is because it had more resources to succeed. while I do think that more resources for any project means allocating more positions to more talented people due to being able to pay them so more budget does mean more resources but it also means more investment on the part of studios, investors, and producers people who want to make their money back and will make restrictions for the sake of doing so during Reservoir Dogs, Harvey Keitel tried to get Tarantino to censor a lot of the violence so that more people would watch the movie since Keitel believed the violence in the movie would be a deterrent to some audiences |
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alshu said: KuroGFX said: that its not necesarily one persons fault when a show goes bad This is why I said "organisational problems" KuroGFX said: I just think that talent and skill make a show good not budget But without paying those guys at least minimum amount of money to pay their bills, things may go messy. And I agree that "budget" is absurdly misused here and even I do it sometimes (when I am too lazy to explain "resources" and stuff) but you got the idea. yeah I was being too radical on my part and yes budget and minimum pay is extremely important I do think its mostly a sarcastic joke but sometimes when things get spread around it doesn't stop being a joke anymore and people take it at face value unable to see the sarcasm |
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alshu said: Manaban said: doesn't inherently mean you have the talent to take advantage of the resources you have. How about one of the resources being to have a really talented producer on board? Talented people are a resource, yes, but it's pretty obvious resources in this context relates to shit like money. I just went with the word resource so I could catch other shit people will usually say to try to undercut talent in trying to explain something's popularity and success. Marketing, for example. KuroGFX said: Manaban said: It's just saying that the reason this anime looks/moves so good is because it had more resources to succeed. while I do think that more resources for any project means allocating more positions to more talented people due to being able to pay them so more budget does mean more resources but it also means more investment on the part of studios, investors, and producers people who want to make their money back and will make restrictions for the sake of doing so during Reservoir Dogs, Harvey Keitel tried to get Tarantino to censor a lot of the violence so that more people would watch the movie since Keitel believed the violence in the movie would be a deterrent to some audiences Anime operates at a deficit the overwhelming majority of the time. It's invested in as an advertisement for the source material moreso than something they expect to see a big monetary return on. |
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Manaban said: Marketing, for example. Isn't marketing usually handled outside of the studio? |
alshu said: Manaban said: Marketing, for example. Isn't marketing usually handled outside of the studio? Alshu, how these resources are obtained isn't relevant to what I'm saying here. The point of this thread and my post was how possession of these kinds of resources - money, marketing power, etc. - are sometimes used to undercut ability and genuine work based off of a bogus conflation, and how the budget stuff the OP brought up is a primary example of that. Audience perception/reaction overrules some BUT AKSHULLY IT WORKS LIKE THIS bullshit when the discussion is about how the audience is perceiving something. Stop wasting my time by trying to go on trails that are only tangentially relevant to the focal point of the discussion if I'm being generous, basically. |
ManabanFeb 7, 2022 1:23 PM
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| kinda happy to see this be addressed, common stupidity whenever sum random on YouTube says that they used all their budget in a specific episode whenever animation picks up or looks better. |
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Hint: if you don't want to wast your time don't participate in anime discussions... Manaban said: tangentially relevant to the focal point of the discussion Isn't the main point of this discussion that people should use proper terms to explain themselves? Manaban said: if I'm being generous, basically Oh, so when you are not generous you send ninja killers to your opponents or something. JayDaAnimeLord said: says that they used all their budget in a specific episode But it's a realistically sounding joke from Gintama: "We blew up our budget on the action scenes from the last arc so now you will get some trashy looking anime original episodes full with recycled animation.". |
alshuFeb 8, 2022 4:06 AM
this is more accurate than you think |
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Kowaaaaiii! Or you can simply ignore my posts, which would be cheaper...but I guess you have Unlimited Ninja Budget or something. |
| Because misinformation over shit like the Evangelion finale going fucky with its visuals "cuz they ran out of budget" coupled with the notion that something poorly-produced being called cheaply-made must inherently mean that good-looking productions are inherently expensive have rotted people's brains. That and because they value simplicity over accuracy. |
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| Why does it matter? Some people literally start froathing from the mouth with anger when it's said when you get what they mean. |
| Ok, a few selected exceptions managed to make stellar animation without a big budget. Now pick all the currently airing anime rated above 8.00 and tell me if you think they have the same average budget as the currently airing anime rated below 6.00. |
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