Pullman said: Nothing makes me feel more like an elitist than seeing the incredibly insulting levels of stupidity most people display when it comes to the topic of elitism. Can't beat the feeling of superiority when hundreds of people constantly showcase their incapability of understanding the meaning of simple words and phrases. I don't want to be like this, but you people make it hard not not feel intellectually superior when AT LEAST 50% of you still use the term in the most retarded and memetastic ways without even being aware that you're meme-ing. So yeah, just another irony regarding this topic is that the more people 'bash' elitist taste the more I feel actually superior as a person (not an anime fan) for not being quite such a retard who talks without thinking and just parrots memes like a mindless drone. Thanks for reminding me of your collective inferiority. For example the guy above me thinks critical thinking is elitism and the guy below me thinks it's about liking old anime. Everybody just makes up their own decisions based on what they like to insult people for. Somebody pls kill me and end my misery... Wow, somebody's irked. I guess I agree with you on how many people seem to miss the definition, but in a way it isn't really their fault (or rather it is, but their mistakes are understandable to an extent). I remember that when I first came into the anime community the word "elitist" was repeatedly used to describe a particular kind of anime fan. I didn't bother to look up the official definition (in part because it didn't even occur [there was't any apparent reason to doubt the definition] and even if it did, I'd probably have still used it since it's pretty convenient at describing/communicating). I don't use it now because I find it derogatory, but that's another story. I guess it might be difficult for you to not feel intellectually superior because of this, but try to remember that this is just one facet of things in general. Even smart/average people might hold mistaken beliefs over certain things. There's no excuse for those who bash on "elitist" taste though. So I guess where I'm going with this is that your anger is not unwarranted, but you could try to be a bit more understanding towards those who are unaware of their ignorance. People generally tend to respond to lashing out with lashing out. I do hope this didn't come across as offensive. |
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TheDeadApostle said: Pullman said: Nothing makes me feel more like an elitist than seeing the incredibly insulting levels of stupidity most people display when it comes to the topic of elitism. Can't beat the feeling of superiority when hundreds of people constantly showcase their incapability of understanding the meaning of simple words and phrases. I don't want to be like this, but you people make it hard not not feel intellectually superior when AT LEAST 50% of you still use the term in the most retarded and memetastic ways without even being aware that you're meme-ing. So yeah, just another irony regarding this topic is that the more people 'bash' elitist taste the more I feel actually superior as a person (not an anime fan) for not being quite such a retard who talks without thinking and just parrots memes like a mindless drone. Thanks for reminding me of your collective inferiority. For example the guy above me thinks critical thinking is elitism and the guy below me thinks it's about liking old anime. Everybody just makes up their own decisions based on what they like to insult people for. Somebody pls kill me and end my misery... Wow, somebody's irked. I guess I agree with you on how many people seem to miss the definition, but in a way it isn't really their fault (or rather it is, but their mistakes are understandable to an extent). I remember that when I first came into the anime community the word "elitist" was repeatedly used to describe a particular kind of anime fan. I didn't bother to look up the official definition (in part because it didn't even occur [there was't any apparent reason to doubt the definition] and even if it did, I'd probably have still used it since it's pretty convenient at describing/communicating). I don't use it now because I find it derogatory, but that's another story. I guess it might be difficult for you to not feel intellectually superior because of this, but try to remember that this is just one facet of things in general. Even smart/average people might hold mistaken beliefs over certain things. There's no excuse for those who bash on "elitist" taste though. So I guess where I'm going with this is that your anger is not unwarranted, but you could try to be a bit more understanding towards those who are unaware of their ignorance. People generally tend to respond to lashing out with lashing out. I do hope this didn't come across as offensive. Don't take my tone too seriously when I rant like this. I mean yeah this stuff triggers me no doubt, but I also just like expressing my opinions in strong ways to emphasize my point just in terms of rhetorics. I just thought it would be fun to provide some actual elitism for once so maybe people realize the difference between thinking of yourself as intellectually superior and having certain shows in your favorites. I've ranted about this so many times over the years (probably an average of once a week for the last 3-4 years -.-) that I just have to mix things up in how I express myself so I don't get bored. I've tried it all over the years, from being gentle and understanding to being angry and insulting and now I just go with my daily mood :> And what you describe is part of what makes me so angry about it, because so many people are using it in that memetastic way new guys are basically brainwashed into accepting that definition without batting an eye. That's why I mostly direct my anger at the community as a whole rather than towards specific individuals because everyone who uses the term seriously like that is equally at fault. As is everyone trolling people with fake elitist personas that just feed into all the stereotypes associated with it on purpose, but that's another story. But my point is that even if they are under the false impression that elitism is defined by taste, they should reject that idea just based on common sense because it's judgmental and unreasonable. The definition of elitism is just a technicality, but if they came up with a new term to do the same thing it'd be just as shitty. So knowing the real definition or the anime fandom definition of the term shouldn't be the deciding factor on whether you judge people on their favorites and/or shows based on individual fans. So I don't find it particularly excusable for new fans (or old fans) to do that even if they see others using the term like that. It's not about copying the definition of the term but about copying the associated ways of using it as far as I'm concerned. They're just closely tied together so spreading awareness of the real definition is generally a good place to start. The more you think about it the sillier it gets because you can also argue that the people who shit on elitists are feeling superior to them for not being elitists themselves which in term is kinda elitist. Just like there is elitism in me shitting on people who take the meme seriously, there is elitism in shitting on elitists. The point being that it's not rare to feel 'superior' to others for various reasons, especially on the internet where people can present their worst sides. We're all human, we're constantly judging each other on various levels here on MAL but for some reason the fandom managed to only make fans of certain shows accountable for that and that's the big irony of it all. When I became active in the community the term elitist was mostly used for hardcore fans of specific shows for whom they were the best thing ever and nothing would ever come close. LOGH Elitists or Clannad Elitists or whatever was popular back then. It was just a word for next level fanboying basically and similar to terms like weeb or otaku it could be used as an insult but also to refer to yourself ironically and/or to emphasize how much of a fan you are. But somehow over the years it reversed from loving a show so much that you become 'elitist' about it when defending it, to trying to be elitist and therefore only watching/liking certain shows to 'fit in' which just got the order all wrong. But yeah, that just as a sidenote about the history of the term in the anime community. I've seen its meaning change drastically since I first joined MAL. |
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Pullman said: My point is that those people who actually criticize stuff just to feel smarter and shove their superiority into others faces barely exist and 9 out of 10 times it's just people (like you) assuming they do it just to seem smart when in reality they just do it because they enjoy it or it comes natural to them. So whenever people write posts that make it seem like that kind of elitism was a common phenomenon that is worth addressing I have to wonder how often they actually encountered people like that and how often they just think they encountered people like that. Sorry, but that's just incorrect. Let's just go back to my SAO example for an easy counter to your point. I forget who that YouTuber was who made that famous SAO criticism video, but after he made that, there were tons of people who took his points or expanded upon them in order to show why liking SAO made you stupid. We both know that those type of people are not limited to a small minority like you are claiming, and if you're still trying to dispute that those people aren't common in anime communities, then you're being willfully ignorant. I've just seen too many cases of people calling others elitists for no real reason except disagreeing with them or seeing certain favorites to not assume anyone who seriously uses the term (and not just as a meme, which is what I meant by 'taking it seriously') doesn't misuse it most of the time. Literally 90-95% of the time I see people call others elitists in the anime community it is completely unwarranted, so sorry if I'm not gonna expect you to be the big exception especially since your definition seems to go along with some of the other wrong and inflated definitions I've seen. Usually either people use it wrongly most of the time, or they know it's just a meme and don't use it seriously at all. You seem to think it's real but if I wrongfully assumed then I'm sorry, but based on what you're saying I don't think that's the case and here's why: If you're asking whether I believe elitists really exist, then yes, I do. If that's what you mean by taking it "seriously," then yeah, I guess I do. Again, I personally don't really care if someone is an elitist or not. In your example the essay has nothing to do with anything. They guy is a prick for insulting people based on their taste and an elitist if he feels superior to them because of that, period. Whether he writes an essay or not is irrelevant for him being an 'elitist' or just a general asshole and I don't see the point of being so focused on that criticism part unless you kinda wanna shit on the concept of criticism in itself by associating it with arrogance, pretending to be smart and insulting people. Which is what you're doing to some degree even if you're not aware of it. You can be an elitist without writing an essay about your elitism. I never disputed that. You can also write an essay about something and not be an elitist. You say I'm "focused" on the criticism part, when in reality that's the exact opposite of what I've been saying. If you go back to my previous post and the one before that, you'll see that I say that the intent of the essay is what matters. Therefore, I believe that the intent behind the criticism or analysis is what makes you an elitist. Criticism doesn't even have anything to do with elitism. I regularly see very simple-minded people glorifying their favorite casual shows like SAO in very elitist manners that disregard all criticism, call anyone who disagrees with their love for it just a hater unworthy of getting replies to their arguments and insult people who dislike it. Neither which show you are liking nor whether you like to criticize and analyze have anything to do with being 'elitist'. I just hate those false associations and that anti-intellectualism that implicitly assumes only critical-minded people can be elitist pricks. The more those prejudices spread the more people will be afraid of being critical and analytical because they don't want to be associated with the elitism meme and that's just not a trend I can condone. If you're gonna judge a person do it for their shitty behaviour (the insulting and feeling superior), not for the method they use to justify their shitty behaviour. Again, I don't mean to imply that analysis and elitism go together all the time. But to be an elitist, there has to be a reason for you to believe that you're elite. Often times, that reason is the wrong belief that you have a superior intellect or understanding than others. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say that criticizing something or analyzing it automatically makes you an elitist. That's really all I want. I just want to get rid of the wrongful association of critical thinking and elitist arrogance. To be fair your definition is not as bad as other since it includes motivation/attitude in your definition rather than focusing on which shows they like, like so many others do. But for some reason you still insist on including critical essays/'over'-analyzing in your definition even tho it's just one arbitrary method among many that, while not inherently elitist, can be used by people to feel superior to others. If I were to clarify my "definition," then I would make sure to say that the intent is the most important part. Elitists often use analysis to 'support' their elitism, but I never meant to say that writing a critical essay somehow makes you an elitist. But I also see many people feel suprior for NOT being critical at all, deluding themselves that they are having so much more fun than critical people and that therefore only their braindead method of watching anime is the correct way of doing it while looking down on anyone else who's 'doing it wrong'. Just look at all the threads that shit on and insult people with lower mean scores. Full of elitists thinking they are superior for having higher scores and needing to express that so everyone knows how superior they are. And I guarantee you none of those people write critical essays. If you think the act of criticizing is stupid you can feel more intelligent for using your brain less. Elitism is that easy, you don't need to put in the work of writing an actual essay to justify your superiority complex if you're really elitist. You can always find a reason to feel superior to others, critical-minded or not. Writing a critical essay is a lot of work so no matter what it is used for it's something that I can respect because effort was put into it. Sure, it doesn't excuse being a prick about it, but it is also not responsible (or required) for being one. It's a completely seperate issue. Yes, you can be an elitist without writing any critical essays. Elitism can come in pretty much any shape or form so I really do find that forcefully including something referring to critical thinking in your definition of it just shows a deep-seated prejudice against critical thinking, not necessarily in you personally but in the community as a whole and you by extension. Ultimately what I was trying to say was that elitists often justify themselves through analytical essays. There are plenty of elitists who don't bother justifying themselves at all, and there are plenty of people who write critical essays that have no intent of claiming intellectual superiority because they do so. I'm not singling you out here, this is a community-wide issue and I imagine for new fans joining the anime community on the internet it is hard to avoid passively taking in this anti-intellectual attitude because so many people are constantly having these associations of being an elitist prick and being a critical-minded person. But it's one of my pet peeves so I'll always try and correct people who have too one-sided definitions of elitism. I've seen the meme do too much damage to the community over the last ~8 years to not care. Fostering any sort of anti-intellectual sentiment was not my intent, I can assure you of that. |
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| You must also act like this too to become elitist. |
| 'America is a stolen country' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM8WZ0ztMuc Zapredon said: It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person. Totally agree! |
| Easy. Be experienced enough to vocalize all that's bad without being intelligent enough to create something better. Gohdhand said: We both know that those type of people are not limited to a small minority like you are claiming, and if you're still trying to dispute that those people aren't common in anime communities, then you're being willfully ignorant. Oh man, honestly I think you two agree with eachother to a degree. |
PrescientDec 31, 2017 2:26 PM
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Ashita no Joe , Logh and mushishi are for elitists ! I'm shocked ;___; |
NOUR_00Sep 25, 2018 4:32 PM
Mushishi definitely is because it has Ginko competence porn and only elite mind could appreciate it...jk. |
| It's easy, just acquire a copy of The Anime Encyclopedia, I checked out a copy at our local library, for example, and agree with everything the author's wrote about anime and anime series, those 2 authors are the most elitist snobs on the planet! |
| Watch legend of the galactic heroes and then shit on everyone and their taste. |
| Five Steps To Become a TRUE ULTRA ELITIST!!!! 1: Set your rating scale to 1 - 5, 1-10 is clearly for plebs. 2: Insult anything with a rating higher than 5.98 or a popularity of more than 32,614 members. 3: Find a low viewed cyber punk series, the slower and more boring the better and proclaim it the be the ultimate anime. 4: Look down on the fans of any show that is Isekai, has Moe or resembles anime at all.... after all, the less anime looks like anime the better. 5: Practice this face for whenever you're forced to look at comments from normies!  |
JokerVenturaSep 26, 2018 1:25 PM
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xShinigami3125 said: Watch legend of the galactic heroes and then shit on everyone and their taste. There is an easier way - you can pretend that you have watched LOTGH, just read some synopses. Skylash said: Watch legend of the galactic heroes and afterwards you should develop some kind of autism No need for autism, just be really really annoying and people will automatically call you names. No need for that, just lie that this is a picture of you. |
| Have a mean score below 5.00 Bash on popular anime Watch all the classics and give them at least 8/10 Like anime with unique art Only give 10s to LOGH Be like thatanimesnob Hate on new anime But in all seriousness, an elitist is someone who judges others for their taste. |
LeonhartAugustSep 26, 2018 4:07 PM
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| Make sure to never like any battle shounen unless it's Hunter X Hunter. Either really love or really hate Evangelion All seasonal anime is garbage Moeblob is garbage Studio Ghibli films are always a 10 Watch every Monogatari |
Not gonna lie, I feel personally attacked. |
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| Please, no just stop. Just stop already. |
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| Your top 10 favorites list can only come from the 30 or so shows that are known to be elitist. Thats a big thing. It's not having any of those shows on your favorites that makes you one, it's having nothing but those shows on it that does it. These shows are either widely acclaimed or shows that take effort on the part of the viewer to get the full experience from the show. Which make it easier for you to look down on others if they don't enjoy it. Never rate anything a 10. Because to you, a true elitist there is no masterpiece anime. Reserve your 9's for only shows like Angel's Egg, NGE, Kino's Journey etc. The rest of the shows you need to rate between 1-5. It very essential that your mean score be less than 5. It gives the image that you do indeed have a refined taste and everything else that doesn't have this air of being intelligent or classic is a trash show. Be sure to participate in every thread about elitists. Even though you clearly aren't one. Let everyone know that elitism is a mentality and has nothing to do with certain shows. That somehow there is such thing as a Sword Art Online elitists. That is another important thing. Never admit that you are one. The ones that do are doing so for attention. These are the basic steps. |
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| Give good anime a 10 while the bad ones should be a 1. |
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| Be more critical with the stuff you watch, that's it. |
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-Lofn- said: 1) Don't use the forums like most of my friends except @Aslt 2) Drop your mean score below 5 3) Favorite; Anime: LoGH, Monster, Texhnolyze, Lain, Utena, Mushishi, NGE EoE, Yojouhan Manga: Oyasumi Punpun, Jojo Part 7, Ashita no Joe, Hino no Tori, Nausicaa, you may also add Monster, Eden: It's an Endless World, Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, Blame!, Gunnm Characters: Griffith, Yang Wen-li, Reinhard, Joe Yabuki, Gyro Zeppeli, Nausicaa, Utena, Shinji, The Count of Monte Cristo, Johan, Erin, Char Aznable People: Osamu Tezuka, Satoshi Kon, Naoki Urasawa, Hayao Miyazaki, Masaaki Yuasa, Nobuyuki Fukumoto, Hirohiko Araki 4) Act like one 5) Call everybody's opinion shit 6) Anime is shit Hey, since when is Mushishi an elitist's anime? But it's an undeniable fact that anime was a mistake.  You forgot Hideaki Anno or Adolf Hitler in People, by the way. |
SgtBateManJan 3, 2022 9:47 AM
Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! You know I need someone. Helpppppp!  |
| What the hell with this thread I better not stay here too long. |
| I can only give advice on how to become genuinely certified plebs. Just watch everything on the The Anime Über-Elitist Club's plebs list. Watch their Club Relations list to become a true enlightened elitist. |
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| '' my taste is the best'' in their bio Rant out some opinions that nobody cares about and are just obvious bait. For example, jjk> aot. But you never watched aot. Shit on all shounen and mainstream anime for being normal anime. Insert some traditional classics from the 1970-2010's in your favorites and you are done. Optional : at least 100 days so you brag at how much your taste is superior compared to the poor kid who just started watching his typical crap Rant about how anime has gotten worse over the years even though you just grew out of the normal taste. A mean score of atleast 6,00 is preferred. Would be nice if lower. Must rate all the most loved mainstream shows low ratings so you could brag about how unique you are. |
NoonDaMoonDec 31, 2021 10:48 AM
mramirez96 said: Be more critical with the stuff you watch, that's it. This. I think elitists are just people who watched too many things and know all the classic tropes and are getting sick of it. Taking a break from watching stuff can be an option to find a second wind. And iyashikei series like Mushishi and Yokohama are great, deal with it  |
Xxloop said: Good youtubers is an oxymoron. There isn't a replacement for developing one's own taste.By rating anime according to how good youtubers think they are even if you don't really like them. |
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Xxloop said: Ooopsy daisy, unintentional trolling by misreading. My bad. The message is still similar, second hand opinion is no replacement for watching yourself. That includes dropping after a few eps when the show doesn't entertain. Rejecting things based on group think and hearsay can never be right, regardless what opinion one parrots. Disclaimer: Of course this is just "generally speaking", I don't know anything about you so I can't say how you operate w/r to that.inim said: Huh? Wasn't "good youtubers". Meant it as to how good the youtubers think the anime are lol. Kinda hard to hear tone over text though lolGood youtubers is an oxymoron. There isn't a replacement for developing one's own taste. |
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Zardyllas said: being elitist is not the same as being eliteJust watch Love Live and other animes with idols |
| Am I a good person? No. But do I try to be better every single day? Also no |
Just have this anime in your favorites and you are all set |
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| Ah yes, seems you don't know what an elitist it. They can have every single one of those in their favorites as long as they respect people's opinions bruh. |
| 1. Totally change your rating system: Take 2 as your average and 1 for anything below that. This will decrease your mean score. 2. Hate all the top rated anime except Legend of the galactic heroes You are a full fledged elitist now. |
| hate all popular anime. that's pretty much it |
Xxloop said: I've watched each and every anime shown in this meme and have four of them in favorites. Good list of outstanding anime. That doesn't make me an elitist for a simple reason: the "I'm 16" part fails, I'm four times that age. Which makes me an old man rather than an elitist. Can we agree on an age limit for "elitists" and starting at 25 consider it just "a taste fitting your mature age"?Ah yes, seems you don't know what an elitist it. They can have every single one of those in their favorites as long as they respect people's opinions bruh. |
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| Like this Your Anime Taste: |
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| Look down on people for liking certain anime. Like half the people in this thread for example. |
Basically, having good taste and/or being older than 15yo makes you an elitist? (^: Also gotta love how that max-pleb "Cory in the House huehuehue" meme has been splattered here randomly. Please keep your bad memes for yourself and don't rewrite history, anime plebs >:C "Cel animation is OBJECTIVELY better" lmao if I had a penny everytime an uneducated brat said this about digital modern shit unironically here, I'd be Elon Musk. |
DeathkoJan 1, 2022 5:58 AM
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The ones I have watched from these were great or at least decent, the rest I will take as recommendations. What now, does that make me a closeted elitist? - because I have never shited on anyone taste, for the reason I don't care who in which shows and genres find their entertaiment. But if liking those anime in itself made me look like an "elitist" I assure you I wouldn't give a fig. But you know if you make elitists out to be the guys who enjoy shows that deal in general with more adult themes, then, in the end, you won't make those elitists look so bad as you would want to. One more thing, maybe it is just me, but I would put Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu as well in that list. |
IshitatesoJan 1, 2022 6:11 AM
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Ishitateso said: The ones I have watched from these were great or at least decent, the rest I will take as recommendations. What now, does that make me a closeted elitist? - because I have never shited on anyone taste, for the reason I don't care who in which shows and genres find their entertaiment. But if liking those anime in itself would make me an elitist I assure you wouldn't give a fig. But you know if you make elitist out to be the guys who enjoy shows that deal in general with more adult themes then in the end you won't make those elitist look so bad as you would want to. One more thing, maybe it is just me, but I would put Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu as well in that list. I can confirm that simply having Ergo Proxy in favs attractst insult comments and pms from dumb people who somehow seem to think they are not the crappy elitists (^: I still remember innocently walking into this place 6 years ago with EP in favs U_U I was so young and naive back then. Now I know better, you gotta attack the filthy mainstream elitist scum first so they don't start thinking they can discuss your objectively superior taste. Good pick with Shouwa Genroku Rakugo... I've been sleeping on s2 since ages, should really watch it. |
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