would you be more prone to watch dubs if the voice acting industry used exclusively voice actors of East Asian ancestry like it happens with black character roles?
| I think the dub vs. sub argument is more focused on the language itself. It doesn't matter how accurate the voice actors are. The fact remains that they're speaking an alternative language. |
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| Yes. if Jackie Chan were to dub anime, I would watch. I need more Japanese ancestors dubbing. |
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| I have seen articles about this already. There is more black people and you don't see voices like you do skin color. When the minority voices actors cry about white devils stealing their spot or wanting to voice a black character who actually isn't black and STEAL the job from someone else(valentine from guilty gear who is not black), how do you expect to be treated? I love that whenever that cunt who accused that one actor of molesting her gets brought up, she always gets shit on social media. She blocked me on twitter I think. |
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| no the english language just cannot sound cute i've learned about that in the vtubers world |
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| No matter which language it is, original language is pretty good.(It may need a little bit of getting used to). Good Dubs are handy when I want to get into something new or I are not accustomed enough with that language. Some times tone or speed can be overbearing in original. Good dubs helps to get through it. I personally donot have huge bar preference for dub, something decent is enough. |
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| Nope. English dub is ew no matter who does the voice acting. |
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| No it's voice acting so the ethnicity of the voice actor doesn't matter. It's not like east asians have some magical voice acting gene that makes them better at voicing anime. Also the whole thing with black characters has nothing to do with the quality of the voice acting and more with people complaining about things that don't matter. |
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| Snowflakes will always find a reason to complain about race . If we truly want to be fair and equivalent to everyone race shouldn't matter . Someone who does shar s the cultural background of a character will propably sound more like what that character is supposed to sound like However that correlation should not turn into causation. You shouldn't be prohibited from playing any role just because of your race. Just like you shouldn't play any character just because of your race. We can't fix racism with more racism |
| i don't know, i can't see voices. japanese sounds better most of the time anyway. |
| It's not so much the race than it is the language & voice. Why would the ancestry of the voice actor even matter when it is entirely unrelated to the task at hand? |
| No not really. I only care if the script is good and the voice actors sound good. Who they are and what color really don't affect anything |
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| i mean if you're gonna pull the representation argument, east asian =/= japanese. they're not interchangeable. it would have to be entirely voice actors of japanese descent. |
| No, because it's completely irrelevant and both means absolutely nothing and changes absolutely nothing. |
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| no because I like listening to the original voices, you won't see me watching regular show in japanese |
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| I would never watch SOL, moe and CGDCT anime in dubs no matter how good they are. |
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| I don't really care for the skin color of the voice actor so no |
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| I just like to listen to original voices I hate watching American shows dubbed in French as much as anime dubs. |
| "would you be more prone to watch dubs if the voice acting industry used exclusively voice actors of East Asian ancestry like it happens with black character roles?" Nope, I must listen to the original despite not understanding a thing. |
| No? That has nothing to do with it. What I want is cuality, not "corresponding the race". I don't care at all about that. The thing is, a lot of dubs sound unnatural, and you can tell somebody is acting that. Somehow, japanese dubs does this great, and that is why I watch subs over dubs. |
| Honestly, this "only black people should voice black characters" thing is complete nonsense. |
petran79 said: ...they could use Asian American or Asian French actors from China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Phillipines etc.. ...there is always an outcry when a white actor takes the voice or role of a black character... One advantage East Asian voice actors and script writers would have is that they'd understand better the cultural and language difference and would be better in adjusting their mannerism and voices. ...it is still a closed circle and very unfriendly towards minority voice actors, since it plays a great role in cultural and national indoctrination. There are so few anime that don't depict the characters as all the same nationality (Japanese), so using those other Nationality VAs still wouldn't be "appropriate" by your whiny standards. The "outcry" about "whitewashing" is mostly a visual thing, focused mainly in Hollywood and Western television. The only reason you hear anything about it in voicing roles is because those same complainers got a little bit of attention and results elsewhere and now want to exert their ideals over anime/video games/etc. They're VAs, you don't SEE them you just hear them, so their "correct" mannerisms would go unnoticed. They are just the voice, to see the mannerisms look to the character. They're dubbing the anime to another language. Localizing phrases/jokes/slang is done to be better understood in the dubbed language. The VAs KNOWING why a particular phrase is used or what the cultural significance of something is, means nothing to the consumer when that phrase has no equivalent or directly translatable meaning. If by "closed circle" and "unfriendly towards minority VAs" you mean there aren't many "minority" characters for them to voice, how is that the fault of the dubbing industry? Can you cite any proof that dubbing companies reject or otherwise "keep out" minority applicants to the industry, or is this another false claim rallying point of "racism" just so you have something to be angry about? How is translating Japanese to another language considered "indoctrination"? How does that even relate in any way to which Nationality or minority VAs get used? One does not solve presumed racism or discrimination by substituting it with just another form of racism or discrimination. Just stop. Stop being "offended" or "outraged" on behalf of others who aren't offended or outraged. |
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petran79 said: Eg countries with strong dubbing industry like USA and France instead of using actors of European ancestry, they could use Asian American or Asian French actors from China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Phillipines etc I wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. |
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| How about the dubbing industry uses voice actors that are talented instead of using ones based on race? |
| I could really care less about who are the voice actors |
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| eh no i don't think that matters, nor will it fix anything. i personally just watch dubbed anime, not really caring how good or bad it is, just need it for my crippling adhd. plus, i don't think it will change the minds of the majority who think dubbed anime sucks. |
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| no, dubs are shit. in every language, i remember watching a clip of the German dub for Charlotte and it was literally the VAs talking over the original dub, shit was trash. English dubs sound cringe. I’ll never watch a dub |
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| only thing that matters in voice acting is talent. same should be the case for acting in general. |
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| .........No? The issue is a lack of expression in some dubs, people being miscasted, the lack of variety in the voices and the lack of availability (lots of shows not dubbed). I could honestly care less if they get some American/European Asian actor who I won't even realize is Asian the dubbing industry needs to fix the above stuff. The idea of you need to be x race to play x character is beyond stupid especially when I can think of many characters who are canonically white that I would have hard time hearing anything but the JP voice. In an animated medium all that matters is the voice/mannerisms in question not what they look like. Plus again "understanding the culture" whatever that means isn't the problem outside of like Funi pushing for a few those really stupid dub changes but even that got overblown over the Nagataro sub. The people who are good script writers are those that understand the intricacies of the language there are a lot of Asian Americans that I have met who aren't that didn't care about their ancestry and were entirely Americanized and people who aren't Asian who do understand Japanese very well. In short I think the dubbing industry would do well to worry about bringing in varied talented people I don't care what they look like. |
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petran79 said: You must be from the Americas where dubbing process works different. In Europe there are no proper voice acting schools in order to help young actors interested in voice acting with social mobility via education. To dub a series you need to be a full actor with experience and do the appropriate seminars. Which in the long term is better because actors can not live exclusively from voice acting. So instead of looking among new graduates, it is the established actors that get hired sometimes without any audition at all. Eg popular American actors are voiced always by the same actor in various films. It is a closed circle and they take great pride in that tradition. Although I can't say I have any firsthand or insider knowledge/information about how dubbing studios go about hiring people to voice characters, I'm pretty sure it's not too different from most places outside Japan. There might be, but I don't know offhand of any "proper" Voice Acting Schools here either. Few if any, specifically focus on voice acting, but instead on acting in general, which includes vocal techniques. One can hire a voice coach to learn/improve various vocal techniques, but that's usually for singing not speaking/reciting lines of a script. According to English VAs (when asked about how to get into voice acting for anime), people are told to first just get into acting. Any kind of acting. Local theater companies, local college acting/theater classes, etc. Like you described, trying to live off voice acting alone is unlikely, especially for someone just starting out. In most cases there isn't a direct path from walking the streets to being an anime VA. One has to work their way up and get recognized. It's really no different than corporations promoting existing employees before hiring from the outside. The average person off the street isn't likely to get hired as CEO or other top positions, even if they did have some knowledge or education in that field. Being a "full actor" gets you noticed more. Companies can see/hear your skills. It's rare that an anime or video game company seeks you out, they just have an open position to be auditioned for. Some are contracted to only hire from some sort of an Actor's Guild. If a dubbing company has a list of VAs they're already working with and know their skills, they'll like hire from within that established contracted worker list. In the past year+, (due to lockdowns and social distancing) dubbing companies here have gone to mostly "record from home". Those recordings are uploaded and then someone splices all the parts together and whatever other editing needs to be done. Rookies just trying to start out likely won't have a quality recording studio in their house/apartment. A few bad hires in a factory likely won't ruin the product being made. When the bad hire IS THE PRODUCT (their voice), re-recording, finding a replacement, or re-scheduling costs time and money that the company may not have or want to risk. Unless the job is listed as something like "Entry Level", no matter the job or company, if the company doesn't have a reasonable expectation that you can do the job you're applying for, chances are you could be passed over for someone they think can do it. It isn't some proud conspiracy to keep out certain people, they just want the best results/versatility for their money as they can get. |
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| You need to pay me if you want me to watch dubs. |
| Honestly I just want them to hire new people. Hearing the same 20 voice actors in EVERY goddamn show is so annoying. |
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| No, doing that just excludes potentially amazing voice actors who sadly wouldn't qualify if that was a thing. I occasionally watch dubs, but mainly Ghibli movies cuz whoever handled those movies for an English release focused on getting decent actors first and foremost. They focused on talent and if the actor's voice performance fits the character like they and everyone else should, not on skin color. Basically, just do what the people behind The Lion King did, simple as that. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Theo1899 said: No it's voice acting so the ethnicity of the voice actor doesn't matter. It's not like east asians have some magical voice acting gene that makes them better at voicing anime. Also the whole thing with black characters has nothing to do with the quality of the voice acting and more with people complaining about things that don't matter. CuteAssTiger said: Snowflakes will always find a reason to complain about race . If we truly want to be fair and equivalent to everyone race shouldn't matter . Someone who does shar s the cultural background of a character will propably sound more like what that character is supposed to sound like However that correlation should not turn into causation. You shouldn't be prohibited from playing any role just because of your race. Just like you shouldn't play any character just because of your race. We can't fix racism with more racism YeeYeeAss said: No not really. I only care if the script is good and the voice actors sound good. Who they are and what color really don't affect anything DrSexy said: I don't really care for the skin color of the voice actor so no Rakshal said: How about the dubbing industry uses voice actors that are talented instead of using ones based on race? Salty-GB said: Agreed on these.Honestly I just want them to hire new people. Hearing the same 20 voice actors in EVERY goddamn show is so annoying. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ -Hermit- said: Agreed, reading your post reminded me of this incident tooHonestly, this "only black people should voice black characters" thing is complete nonsense. |
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Fario-P said: No, doing that just excludes potentially amazing voice actors who sadly wouldn't qualify if that was a thing. I occasionally watch dubs, but mainly Ghibli movies cuz whoever handled those movies for an English release focused on getting decent actors first and foremost. They focused on talent and if the actor's voice performance fits the character like they and everyone else should, not on skin color. Basically, just do what the people behind The Lion King did, simple as that. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Theo1899 said: No it's voice acting so the ethnicity of the voice actor doesn't matter. It's not like east asians have some magical voice acting gene that makes them better at voicing anime. Also the whole thing with black characters has nothing to do with the quality of the voice acting and more with people complaining about things that don't matter. CuteAssTiger said: Snowflakes will always find a reason to complain about race . If we truly want to be fair and equivalent to everyone race shouldn't matter . Someone who does shar s the cultural background of a character will propably sound more like what that character is supposed to sound like However that correlation should not turn into causation. You shouldn't be prohibited from playing any role just because of your race. Just like you shouldn't play any character just because of your race. We can't fix racism with more racism YeeYeeAss said: No not really. I only care if the script is good and the voice actors sound good. Who they are and what color really don't affect anything DrSexy said: I don't really care for the skin color of the voice actor so no Rakshal said: How about the dubbing industry uses voice actors that are talented instead of using ones based on race? Salty-GB said: Agreed on these.Honestly I just want them to hire new people. Hearing the same 20 voice actors in EVERY goddamn show is so annoying. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ -Hermit- said: Agreed, reading your post reminded me of this incident tooHonestly, this "only black people should voice black characters" thing is complete nonsense. It's crazy how hypocritical and racist Twitter can be . " She didn't sound like it,sorry" what kind of excuse is that even supposed to be ? Nevermind that a VA should primarily sound like the character.( In terms of Personality. Fitting for for the character) But Twitter doesn't care that she sounds Sassy and badass ( like the character) . They are just upset that she "doesn't sound black" . Because that is all that mirkos character is ,right ? She is just a black bunny . Twitters hypocrisy is pure insanity. From the outside it just looks like a mental asylum. Thx for sharing this clip . |
| Asking a serious question here, is it real that people get mad when a black man voiced by a white man? And no, I will not watch dub. |
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| Only if they put on an incredibly offensive Japanese accent. Gotta be authentic after all. |
Salty-GB said: Honestly I just want them to hire new people. Hearing the same 20 voice actors in EVERY goddamn show is so annoying. in la dubs ironically that made the casts way too samey and since in 2011 and after they hire literal people who had no experience with voice acting at all and became vas just because they're fans of anime and that resulted in them getting rid of a lot of the talented old people (like bridget hoffman,steve blum,mary elizabeth mcglynn,crispin freeman,melissa fahn,michael forest,lia sargent,melodee spevack,Terrence stone,lara jill miller,peter spellos,kate higgins,yuri lowenthal,liam o'brien,sam riegel,david lodge and a lot more) -some of these voice actors did do dubs but certainly not close to the amount they used to do back then still- and instead filled la dubs with these literal noobies that can't really act all that well expect for very few dubs like the viz sailor moon dub (outside of the very few new generation pictures dubs of the 2010s like ikkitousen season 3 and 4 and the bayonetta bloody fate which understandbly doesn't use any of those noobies and they are imo some of the best dubs of the 2010s) I want my la dubs to be on the same level of quality of older la dubs with examples like cowboy bebop,code geass,outlaw star,rayearth,gurren lagaan,eureka seven,samurai champloo,ruroni kenshin (the bang zoom/media blasters dub) and ghost in the shell again but it looks like with problems like that it won't be the same that's only la though most dubs from the 2010s are by funimation which I agree did ruin variety even more and we don't have as much ocean group dubs or full-on new york dubs |
nachomaxo1Aug 11, 2021 4:53 PM
| and wow lots of weaboos (as in people think japan is the best at everything and that makes everything else not Japanese bad) and a lot of this "they are worse actors because they are english and Japanese never had any bad voice acting because they can't do no wrong" almost racism bs never change weaboos never change I will say it outside of exceptions I am not the biggest fan of modern (aka 2010s) dubs they are not varied as they once used too most of them imo sadly are by funimation's texas in-house dubbing team,sentai's chris ayres directed dubs (he directs most of their dubs and I dislike him as a director and that makes most sentai dubs bad) and netflix's vsi and the problem is that all of these dubs suck and even the good ones mostly from la (with the occasional ocean group and full-on new york dubs both of which are really good) have really boring and repetitive casting choices (aka those la noobies expect for few dubs like the viz saior moon dubs) especially from bang zoom's mami okada the current casting director before there was kaeko sakamoto who was the casting director from beginning until the 2010s and when mami started work at bang zoom after 4 or 5 years after they started dubbing in 2000 as an assistant casting director that was the case untill the 2010s when kaeko did her last two dubs either with or without mami (fate zero and lagrange) and man when kaeko was the casting director even when mami became a main casting director too even when they started using those la noobies the casting choices were genuinely excellent and there was way more old talented actors than the noobies when they started using them which is good mami is the oppisite she genuinely prefer having the cast full of those noobies rather than even one old talented actor and almost all of her casting choices are very repetitive and frustrating (the only good ones are the old talented actors since they became very rare to see) older dubs (mainly referring to the 2000s when good dubs became the norm although there's a lot of good dubs from the 90s like slayers and ghost in the shell 1 and only uncut dubs since censored tv dubs by companies like 4kids,nelvana,saban and dic like pokemon don't count since they are always bad no matter when they are made) had a lot more variety in everything the recording places,the voice actors,the recording studios themselves and the casting choices and the dubs were mostly very high quality in terms of both voice acting and the accurate scripts |
nachomaxo1Aug 11, 2021 4:51 PM
nachomaxo1 said: Salty-GB said: Honestly I just want them to hire new people. Hearing the same 20 voice actors in EVERY goddamn show is so annoying. in la dubs ironically that made the casts way too samey and since in 2011 and after they hire literal people who had no experience with voice acting at all and became vas just because they're fans of anime and that resulted in them getting rid of a lot of the talented old people (like bridget hoffman,steve blum,mary elizabeth mcglynn,crispin freeman,melissa fahn,michael forest,lia sargent,melodee spevack,Terrence stone,lara jill miller,peter spellos,kate higgins,yuri lowenthal,liam o'brien,sam riegel,david lodge and a lot more) -some of these voice actors did do dubs but certainly not close to the amount they used to do back then still- and instead filled la dubs with these literal noobies that can't really act all that well expect for very few dubs like the viz sailor moon dub (outside of the very few new generation pictures dubs of the 2010s like ikkitousen season 3 and 4 and the bayonetta bloody fate which understandbly doesn't use any of those noobies and they are imo some of the best dubs of the 2010s) I want my la dubs to be on the same level of quality of older la dubs with examples like cowboy bebop,code geass,outlaw star,rayearth,gurren lagaan,eureka seven,samurai champloo and ghost in the shell again but it looks like with problems like that it won't be the same that's only la though most dubs from the 2010s are by funimation which I agree did ruin variety even more and we don't have as much ocean group dubs or full-on new york dubs You consider the VIZ Sailor Moon dub to be good...? |
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| I don't care who does the dub. They just generally are terrible. First problem is Japanese does not translate really well to English. It totally translates but there is a lot that gets lost in translation. Second the dubs are so badly done most of the time it makes it unbearable to watch. I just can't deal with how poorly it often comes across. Mannerisms and understanding of what they are voicing is another issue. I have been watching anime for a long time and have become very accustomed to how it should sound or does sound, how VAs get things across etc and really enjoy that aspect. Then it gets dubbed and its like what in the fuck is happening here it sounds so western and idiotic because it just doesn't feel like it makes sense the way they are portraying a character. A lot of the time it sounds like some person comes in off the street and just reads some stuff. I pretty much refuse to watch dubs because it just ruins the experience for me. I don't really need subs when it is in Japanese so that really helps as well. Some people just hate reading subs. Aside from that I don't care who does what, or voices what ever it just doesn't matter. If a black guy voices an Asian female character and it is amazing that's great. I don't care how they get there i just want the destination to be good. I just don't like dubs so it doesn't matter to me. I think there is likely to be a more genuine feeling for most people if an Asian woman voices an Asian female character but I am open to anyone having a shot at it. |
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