| Ever since Fruits Basket recently became #1 I've seen a lot of people express their hate for the shoujo genre and I quite frankly don't really get why. I've also seen people say something along the lines of, 'Fruits basket is great despite being a shoujo." Also seen people on discord say that it's written for girls which I don't see a problem with. What are your thoughts on it? |
| It's just fragile masculinity rearing its ugly head once again. |
| lol FMAB was written by a woman so can't judge the anime based on the genres and demographics. It's pretty a discrimination or racist, btw. Facts. |
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| well shoujo is basically genre targeted for girls. it tends to contain romance, drama, slice of life, just all more the softer side and feel more wholesome i guess. i for one, not really a fan of the genre, not bcs it's written for girls lmao (im a girl lol). And it's definitely not a bad genre. it's just have different target audience thus different theme to the mainstream shounen. i simply prefer shounen bcs i love bromance, and i prefer friendship over romance. i also love superpower, action and adventure. so yeah in the end it's just a matter of preference. about fruits basket become #1 and ppl rage abt it, it's more to do with salty fanboys bcs their fav is dethroned rather than the fruits basket itself imo. but i guess the fact that it's a shoujo anime SOMEHOW make them even more livid than usual? fragile masculinity indeed *rolleyes* disgusting |
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CrimsonMidnight said: Ummm... Not all shoujo are based on romance. Look at Banana Fish and Akatsuki no Yona. They are action animes so shoujo is not a definitely a genre. It's a demographic. Natsume book of friends is a supernatural SOL. Not all shounen are action either. Your Lie in April, Nisekoi, Rent a girlfriend are mostly romance animes but in shounen demographic. I wonder what will happen if FMAB was published in shoujo demographic back then.well shoujo is basically genre targeted for girls. it tends to contain romance, drama, slice of life, just all more the softer side and feel more wholesome i guess. i for one, not really a fan of the genre, not bcs it's written for girls lmao (im a girl lol). And it's definitely not a bad genre. it's just have different target audience thus different theme to the mainstream shounen. i simply prefer shounen bcs i love bromance, and i prefer friendship over romance. i also love superpower, action and adventure. so yeah in the end it's just a matter of preference. about fruits basket become #1 and ppl rage abt it, it's more to do with salty fanboys bcs their fav is dethroned rather than the fruits basket itself imo. but i guess the fact that it's a shoujo anime SOMEHOW make them even more livid than usual? fragile masculinity indeed *rolleyes* disgusting Don't give a thought that "If you watch shoujo anime, you'll be a gay". So if girls watch mainstream shounen, they will be tomboys? Anime is for everyone so let's not be a genre racist here. |
Natsuki_SanJuanJul 6, 2021 9:10 PM
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Majikkusesu said: Action, yes. Homosexual romance, idk really.Natsuki_SanJuan said: Ummm... Not all shoujo are based on romance. Look at Banana Fish and Akatsuki no Yona. They are action animes so shoujo is not a definitely a genre. It's a demographic. Natsume book of friends is a supernatural SOL. Not all shounen are action either. Your Lie in April, Nisekoi, Rent a girlfriend are mostly romance animes but in shounen demographic. I wonder what will happen if FMAB was published in shoujo demographic back then. Don't give a thought that "If you watch shoujo anime, you'll be a gay". So if girls watch mainstream shounen, they will be tomboys? Anime is for everyone so let's not be a genre racist here. Isn't Banana Fish really just an action packed homosexual romance story? Majikkusesu said: Action? yes. Homosexual romance? It said that it was an accidental event. If you think it's a yaoi story, it will be a misconception towards the anime.Natsuki_SanJuan said: Ummm... Not all shoujo are based on romance. Look at Banana Fish and Akatsuki no Yona. They are action animes so shoujo is not a definitely a genre. It's a demographic. Natsume book of friends is a supernatural SOL. Not all shounen are action either. Your Lie in April, Nisekoi, Rent a girlfriend are mostly romance animes but in shounen demographic. I wonder what will happen if FMAB was published in shoujo demographic back then. Don't give a thought that "If you watch shoujo anime, you'll be a gay". So if girls watch mainstream shounen, they will be tomboys? Anime is for everyone so let's not be a genre racist here. Isn't Banana Fish really just an action packed homosexual romance story? |
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| I certainly have no problems with the Shoujo genre despite being male. It can be melodramatic and clichéd at times, but there are still exceptional Shoujo anime out there. The contrivance of masterpieces in the Shoujo genre is as high a probability as in others. I notice that some of the negative opinions on the genre revolve around the demographic and discrimination. |
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| look at the [adapted] series that make big on these anime forums: shounen, seinen and light novel adaptations mostly. i doubt most of them know a thing or two about shoujo to begin with ... and to really find good shoujo you'd have to dive into the manga world or start watching older anime. Natsuki_SanJuan said: lol FMAB was written by a woman so can't judge the anime based on the genres and demographics. It's pretty a discrimination or racist, btw. Facts. but FMAB is shounen. for boys. literally not shoujo it's very gay. it's so gay that they don't even need to kiss |
not really. but i don't really remember much. didn't like it |
| People are just insecure about their own feelings and feel the need to lash out at things that they're socially expected not to enjoy. Obviously everyone likes different things, but I think you're a stronger person if you don't say anything negative about people not conforming to liking the things they're told they're supposed to. |
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Natsuki_SanJuan said: CrimsonMidnight said: Ummm... Not all shoujo are based on romance. Look at Banana Fish and Akatsuki no Yona. They are action animes so shoujo is not a definitely a genre. It's a demographic. Natsume book of friends is a supernatural SOL. Not all shounen are action either. Your Lie in April, Nisekoi, Rent a girlfriend are mostly romance animes but in shounen demographic. I wonder what will happen if FMAB was published in shoujo demographic back then.well shoujo is basically genre targeted for girls. it tends to contain romance, drama, slice of life, just all more the softer side and feel more wholesome i guess. i for one, not really a fan of the genre, not bcs it's written for girls lmao (im a girl lol). And it's definitely not a bad genre. it's just have different target audience thus different theme to the mainstream shounen. i simply prefer shounen bcs i love bromance, and i prefer friendship over romance. i also love superpower, action and adventure. so yeah in the end it's just a matter of preference. about fruits basket become #1 and ppl rage abt it, it's more to do with salty fanboys bcs their fav is dethroned rather than the fruits basket itself imo. but i guess the fact that it's a shoujo anime SOMEHOW make them even more livid than usual? fragile masculinity indeed *rolleyes* disgusting Don't give a thought that "If you watch shoujo anime, you'll be a gay". So if girls watch mainstream shounen, they will be tomboys? Anime is for everyone so let's not be a genre racist here. Um both have romantic undertone/subtext especially yona. I haven't watched either of them so this based on observation only from fans and screenshots/gifs, so I could be wrong. Ah yeah it's a demographic, though I said genre bcs of how it's treated here on mal and in general anyways. I haven't watched any of those anime you mentioned, except Natsume Yuujinchou I watched a few eps. Not exactly my cup of tea. Like I said, it's only tendency. Not all shoujo, not all shounen. But yeah, the things I love most commonly found in shounen and not shoujo, this much is apparent. Not only the theme, in terms of art style and character design I also prefer shounen (buff men). Natsuki_SanJuan said: Don't give a thought that "If you watch shoujo anime, you'll be a gay". So if girls watch mainstream shounen, they will be tomboys? Anime is for everyone so let's not be a genre racist here. Like I said, only men with fragile masculinity will think that. In conclusion, my point exactly is yes, anime is for everyone. You can watch any genre, any demographic, any anime you want. However, demography and genre is there for a reason. They are marketed for different audience. Ofc there will be difference and it will appeal to different people as well. But regardless of it's actual target, anyone might and can enjoy. |
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| I haven't actually heard all this so-called 'hate' for the shoujo genre. But then I don't haunt discord either lol. If there is a lot and I just totally missed it, then I don't understand it. I mean, there are a lot of great shoujo like Natsume Yuujinchou (yes, shockingly, it's shoujo), Akatsuki no Yona, Gakuen Babysitters, and Kaleido Star to name a few of the one's I really love. So I don't get the hate, personally. Some people just like to be contrary and make waves where they can. |
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| I think that due to its nature, the shoujo genre is relatively inconsistent with their quality. The shoujo anime that are good are REALLY good while the shoujo anime that are bad are REALLY bad. Then you’ve got a slew of shoujo that aren’t bad, but are really forgettable. There have been occasions where I’ll be in the Identify This Anime thread, see a character that I’ll say to myself, “I’ve seen him or her before and can’t remember where.” Only for that anime to get identified and I’m just like “oh yeah, I have seen that. God that anime was so forgettable I forgot I even watched it.” I will say some of the best anime I’ve ever seen are shoujo, so the people who say “it’s very good for a shoujo” either clearly haven’t seen the good ones or are purposefully avoiding them. |
lifeisbutadream said: That's why I'm saying that this kind of treatmeant should be stopped. Many audiences hated shoujo for no reason. Is it just because some of shoujo animes were written by female mangakas? Is it because shoujo animes have "romance comedy cringy themes" that only females can enjoy? Some people said that shoujo sucks because "it's not an action/shounen so shoujo sucks", that kind of statement. So shoujo should not be respected because it is not "action"? People should not compare a shoujo to shonen or to different kind of demographics/genres because every anime has its own flaws and charms. I really don't understand why this kind of thought is not understandable.Natsuki_SanJuan said: You saying something like that is discrimination. You’re basically saying since a woman wrote it, it can’t be for males.lol FMAB was written by a woman so can't judge the anime based on the genres and demographics. It's pretty a discrimination or racist, btw. Facts. |
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lifeisbutadream said: I'm not discriminating FMAB and it's awesome that it was written by a woman. People should know how to be not a genre/demographic racist, that's all.Natsuki_SanJuan said: You saying something like that is discrimination. You’re basically saying since a woman wrote it, it can’t be for males.lol FMAB was written by a woman so can't judge the anime based on the genres and demographics. It's pretty a discrimination or racist, btw. Facts. |
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| "Shoujo genre" does not exist. ..................... |
yukiIuvr said: Some Shoujo series especially the romance manga ones tend to be very generic and clichéd. They rely on tropes and stereotypes too much. I think people just got tired of those because it's pretty rare now to find a shoujo that has a unique plot and characterizations. Unlike every romance Shoujo series, Fruits Basket was simply one those Shoujo series that was capable of executing a story that escapes from the clichés. I think where Fruits Basket excelled was building up its characters before resorting to the sort of tropes a lot of shoujo anime have. I wouldn’t say Fruits Basket doesn’t have a lot of the same tropes that other shoujo anime have, but it does what those anime fail to do…develop it’s damn characters. Some of these shoujo have these “woe is me” characters right off the bat that when I see them, I just think “what is the actual reason for me to develop any sort of connection to these characters?” You can’t just slap a sad plot on a character and expect me to care. Fruits Basket was great in the regard that it let it’s characters spend time together and develop. Then, when you actually do get hit with the “woe is me” tropes, you actually feel for them because the characters have had time to get fleshed out, giving you a reason to be invested in them. |
| Double standards and insecurity. People here are acting like shoujo isn't that good because they are mainly based on romance, slice of life or drama... Like, are we going to act like the vast majority of the shonen anime aren't based on action, heroes, friendship and all that kind of things? So, focusing on certain genres or themes is a negative aspect only if we are talking about shoujo? Is this how things work? Toucanbird said: I think that due to its nature, the shoujo genre is relatively inconsistent with their quality. The shoujo anime that are good are REALLY good while the shoujo anime that are bad are REALLY bad. Then you’ve got a slew of shoujo that aren’t bad, but are really forgettable. There have been occasions where I’ll be in the Identify This Anime thread, see a character that I’ll say to myself, “I’ve seen him or her before and can’t remember where.” Only for that anime to get identified and I’m just like “oh yeah, I have seen that. God that anime was so forgettable I forgot I even watched it.” I will say some of the best anime I’ve ever seen are shoujo, so the people who say “it’s very good for a shoujo” either clearly haven’t seen the good ones or are purposefully avoiding them. Doesn't this apply to literally every other genre or demographic? Like, are we pretending that every shonen is a masterpiece? There are really good shonen and there are trash shonen. Every genre has great titles, horrible titles and forgettable titles. I don't think this is related to the genre/demographic. |
Lepru said: Double standards and insecurity. People here are acting like shoujo isn't that good because they are mainly based on romance, slice of life or drama... Like, are we going to act like the vast majority of the shonen anime aren't based on action, heroes, friendship and all that kind of things? So, focusing on certain genres or themes is a negative aspect only if we are talking about shoujo? Is this how things work? Toucanbird said: I think that due to its nature, the shoujo genre is relatively inconsistent with their quality. The shoujo anime that are good are REALLY good while the shoujo anime that are bad are REALLY bad. Then you’ve got a slew of shoujo that aren’t bad, but are really forgettable. There have been occasions where I’ll be in the Identify This Anime thread, see a character that I’ll say to myself, “I’ve seen him or her before and can’t remember where.” Only for that anime to get identified and I’m just like “oh yeah, I have seen that. God that anime was so forgettable I forgot I even watched it.” I will say some of the best anime I’ve ever seen are shoujo, so the people who say “it’s very good for a shoujo” either clearly haven’t seen the good ones or are purposefully avoiding them. Doesn't this apply to literally every other genre or demographic? Like, are we pretending that every shonen is a masterpiece? There are really good shonen and there are trash shonen. Every genre has great titles, horrible titles and forgettable titles. I don't think this is related to the genre/demographic. Hard to say. I think every shonen is crap, so my take on it is a little different than the average anime viewer. |
| Unfortunately a lot of entertainment targeted towards women is looked down upon by certain individuals. |
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| u know same as shonen. if u are in the community for some time u will know. now, there are instances when people will name some edgy shojo and say what about these? with a smug face all in all people hate normal. that's all (I dont think fruit basket is that abnormal either though, maybe has a higher production quality) I think only demographic genre which doesnt get that kind of hate is seinen. ( due to misconception created by seinen frontrunners not look like shinchan) |
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| Most shoujo anime contain reverse harem elememts which most boys don't like thus the hate towards shoujo. |
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| A hatred of anything deemed feminine is ingrained into our shitty society |
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| Fruits Basket season 1 didn't impress me that much and Maid sama is absolutely mediocre but has comedy.Skip beat is superior to both of these anime combined IMO.If I continue watching Fruits basket I may change my mind. |
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| It's not just anime/manga, this demographic is looked down upon even in Western media - TV shows, books etc. People just assume every single shoujo out there is romance with same cliché tropes. It's fine if you don't like a genre, but not watch it without trying and saying it's trash? That's just being hypocrite. And it's even worse if someone like that works in a publishing house. There is only one comics/manga publisher in my country and I got an echo that the editors think shoujo is trash, that's why we don't get any shoujo titles :) They compromised with Orange but that's it. |
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| Shounen vs Shoujo is so dumb I like anime in both genres. Who cares I know guys that like shojo and girls that like shounen it basically boils down to one has love/romance and the other has action there is more to them of course and they should just get rid of the shounen and shojo tags. And calling an anime a dumb shojo is childish and most shounen are shit and repetitive anyways so I will argue there are more dumb shounen than shojo. One shojo anime becomes number 1 and the whole genre gets attacked people are pathetic. |
WolfSaberJul 7, 2021 4:12 AM
| People have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to Shoujo. There are different types of Shoujo, mind you. You've shows like Rose of Versailles, Nana, and then fruits basket. Each of them are different in their own way, yet it's labeled for girls only? That's just a plain lie. |
| Everything that is targeted at girls/women is deemed silly or lesser no matter what medium. Not to mention some people are still thinking everything (battle) shounen is masterpiece and mature by default, because action and violence. |
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duchessliz87 said: I haven't actually heard all this so-called 'hate' for the shoujo genre. But then I don't haunt discord either lol. If there is a lot and I just totally missed it, then I don't understand it. I mean, there are a lot of great shoujo like Natsume Yuujinchou (yes, shockingly, it's shoujo), Akatsuki no Yona, Gakuen Babysitters, and Kaleido Star to name a few of the one's I really love. So I don't get the hate, personally. Some people just like to be contrary and make waves where they can. I never saw people hating the genre either till Fruits Basket got popular. I guess that's wat happens when an anime which isn't shounen get popular. Also really like Natsume Yuujinchou and Gakuen Babysitters myself |
Zero_Kashi said: I've also seen people say something along the lines of, 'Fruits basket is great despite being a shoujo." I personally feel the opposite. Fruits Basket is bad despite being a shoujo, One Piece is bad despite being a shounen, and Berserk is bad despite being a seinen. Every demographic has its hits and misses. |
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Scordolo said: Fruits Basket season 1 didn't impress me that much and Maid sama is absolutely mediocre but has comedy.Skip beat is superior to both of these anime combined IMO.If I continue watching Fruits basket I may change my mind. I can assure you Season 2 and Season 3 are better and are worth it (in my opinion). Season 1 was mostly an introduction to the cast whereas Season 2 and 3 focus more on the overarching plot. |
| Shoujo is just as much a genre as shounen, or in other words, not a genre at all. Just a vague term that is used to categorise in which type of magazine it got published. It makes no sense to say it's bad, when it's just as diverse as any other term used to describe the magazines manga is published in. Shounen, Shoujo, Seinen and Josei are all nothing terms, so paying attention to any of it is dumb. |
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| Is the "I've seen people say" format the new way to make controversial takes without taking any of the heat? |
| nothing wrong with shoujo. I prefer Josei though, more realistic. |
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GreenPlatinum said: Is the "I've seen people say" format the new way to make controversial takes without taking any of the heat? Unfortunately I love Shoujo anime and I've genuinely seen people dislike it. For example take a look at the Fruits basket (S3) forums since the last episode aired |
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