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| Yeah, my assumption is pretty much correct about the difference between human and machine in their ability to "create". I'm sure it's somewhat obvious for everyone else as well because of the AI-rebellion theme. Now, this is probably Vivy's last chance to save humanity because she needs Toak to do this (I don't know why though or maybe I just didn't pay attention). Professor Osamu is dead in this third world line. I don't know if he initialize another Singularity Project to the past, but it's best assumed that he didn't. Why? Because it will increase the desperate factor for Vivy, that if she were to fail here, there won't be a world where human survive any longer. One thing I have also predicted since around the beginning of airing is the lyric-less ending song. Although it's a bit weird because it doesn't have a lyric, but I love the piano piece regardless. I wonder at the time that it has something to the plot. And ever since I realized that the song is written by Vivy, what if she decides to write lyric for it and be her final song? I would love it. |
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BetaMaleUltra said: AI alien lady sees humanity as a bunch of losers so she wants to wipe them out but will spare them if vivy just sings? Huhh???? Judevin said: Also the purpose of the Archive is just kinda meh imo. It wants to get rid of humanity because "AI superior", okay. "Buuuuut, if you sing this song we will let humanity live. :D" Like how does that make sense bro. Also the Archive always knew of the change in timeline, so what did the Singularity Project achieve really. It literally just depends on one AI to sing a song and we're all friends again. Talk Song no Jitsu. As much as I like this anime, it really did lose the spark it had in the last arc. Comander-07 said: 2/5. Yep i disliked this episode because i had to watch it countless times, read every lines and use all of my brain cells to fully grasp wth they were trying to convey. Maybe im stupid because i haven't seen any comment mentioning what i am about to say. Anw here is what i took from this episode.good episode and all but I just cant take it serious. The entire AI theme is done so weakly in this story. Why would they kill humanity but stop if she sings. Its just so convoluted. The song did not even exist the first time around.. I get the idea behind AI becoming creative and the "free will", but its completely backwards. If anything Vivy singing her own song would prove humanity is not needed anymore. Why would archive try to destroy the only AI who managed to evolve past their set mission. Once again you can literally do anything you want, just say its for the mission and its fine. What should be the plot is Vivy pushing forward to sing from her heart because thats her mission and that then triggers the AI revolution because it shows archive AI can develope emotion. (not like they havent been all emotional since day 1 but anyway) They constantly use their MiSsIoN to justify everything but dont even follow it. I really want to like this show more but I just cant. So the Archive's mission was to contribute to human evolution. After computing the possibilities of every kind of future, it came to a conclusion that as humans depend more and more on AIs, they can never evolve. Humans became obstacle to its mission while it saw the AIs qualified as humans. Therefore, the AIs decided to evolve themselves in place of humans. This would always happen regardless of whether there was a piece of music or not. So it wasn't the cause. Quite the opposite, actually. The Archive now saw a little chance in that piece of music that it might be wrong. The AIs still might not be good enough yet to replace humans because they still lack what humans have: a "heart". So if Vivy-the closest AI to human, can pour the heart into singing while the majority of the AIs still can't, it would let humans survive (How considerate of Archive lol). Simply put, the "LA LA LA.." was to prove that AIs are as good as humans. If Vivy can sing something emotionally different next episode (that impossible for AIs to mimic), that means humans are still superior and worth living. Quite lame i know. Or maybe i misunderstood. Something is still missing for me but that's it. |
newluminousJun 13, 2021 3:28 AM
Comander-07 said: Those hyperrealistic close-up shots were intentional to emphasize the artificial beauty of the Androids. The idea was that as gorgeous as they can be, even when they were trying to show emotions like humans, their faces still looked cold, distant, too doll-like, which instantly reminded us that they are not humans. if it wasn't for that purpose, not drawing those detailed scenes would be easier tbh.KIERO360 said: The "highlight" praise is so stupid. Its disruptive and I hate it. Other anime take care to keep a consistent artstyle. Thats the entire point of key animation frames.The "style change" complaint is so stupid. It's a highlight of every episode. I love it and it's unique. Other animes would kill to have those kind of drawings. they are really just stillshots with one moving element. Its nice as a picture, not as a frame of animation. Some people like you might hate the "style change" because we don't normally see it in other animes, whereas some other people including me love it for that exact reason. It's subjective after all. |
| fuck this !! finally i can decided this series is the best of this season !!! |
newluminous said: I really like the AI logic here, like having to pick bicycles in a captcha test when they arent any bikes.BetaMaleUltra said: AI alien lady sees humanity as a bunch of losers so she wants to wipe them out but will spare them if vivy just sings? Huhh???? Judevin said: Also the purpose of the Archive is just kinda meh imo. It wants to get rid of humanity because "AI superior", okay. "Buuuuut, if you sing this song we will let humanity live. :D" Like how does that make sense bro. Also the Archive always knew of the change in timeline, so what did the Singularity Project achieve really. It literally just depends on one AI to sing a song and we're all friends again. Talk Song no Jitsu. As much as I like this anime, it really did lose the spark it had in the last arc. Comander-07 said: 2/5. Yep i disliked this episode because i had to watch it countless times, read every lines and use all of my brain cells to fully grasp wth they were trying to convey. Maybe im stupid because i haven't seen any comment mentioning what i am about to say. Anw here is what i took from this episode.good episode and all but I just cant take it serious. The entire AI theme is done so weakly in this story. Why would they kill humanity but stop if she sings. Its just so convoluted. The song did not even exist the first time around.. I get the idea behind AI becoming creative and the "free will", but its completely backwards. If anything Vivy singing her own song would prove humanity is not needed anymore. Why would archive try to destroy the only AI who managed to evolve past their set mission. Once again you can literally do anything you want, just say its for the mission and its fine. What should be the plot is Vivy pushing forward to sing from her heart because thats her mission and that then triggers the AI revolution because it shows archive AI can develope emotion. (not like they havent been all emotional since day 1 but anyway) They constantly use their MiSsIoN to justify everything but dont even follow it. I really want to like this show more but I just cant. So the Archive's mission was to contribute to human evolution. After computing the possibilities of every kind of future, it came to a conclusion that as humans depend more and more on AIs, they can never evolve. Humans became obstacle to its mission while it saw the AIs qualified as humans. Therefore, the AIs decided to evolve themselves in place of humans. This would always happen regardless of whether there was a piece of music or not. So it wasn't the cause. Quite the opposite, actually. The Archive now saw a little chance in that piece of music that it might be wrong. The AIs still might not be good enough yet to replace humans because they still lack what humans have: a "heart". So if Vivy-the closest AI to human, can pour the heart into singing while the majority of the AIs still can't, it would let humans survive (How considerate of Archive lol). Simply put, the "LA LA LA.." was to prove that AIs are as good as humans. If Vivy can sing something emotionally different next episode (that impossible for AIs to mimic), that means humans are still superior and worth living. Quite lame i know. Or maybe i misunderstood. Something is still missing for me but that's it. This is so dumb, an AI reaching what archive wants means Archive is wrong. Its so weak "convenient" writing. newluminous said: yeah and I find it disruptive. This episode was fine but the previous ones really suffered from itComander-07 said: Those hyperrealistic close-up shots were intentional to emphasize the artificial beauty of the Androids. The idea was that as gorgeous as they can be, even when they were trying to show emotions like humans, their faces still looked cold, distant, too doll-like, which instantly reminded us that they are not humans. if it wasn't for that purpose, not drawing those detailed scenes would be easier tbh.The "highlight" praise is so stupid. Its disruptive and I hate it. Other anime take care to keep a consistent artstyle. Thats the entire point of key animation frames. they are really just stillshots with one moving element. Its nice as a picture, not as a frame of animation. Some people like you might hate the "style change" because we don't normally see it in other animes, whereas some other people including me love it for that exact reason. It's subjective after all. |
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KIERO360 said: imagine thinking a slideshow is "animation" lmaoComander-07 said: The "highlight" praise is so stupid. Its disruptive and I hate it. Other anime take care to keep a consistent artstyle. Thats the entire point of key animation frames. they are really just stillshots with one moving element. Its nice as a picture, not as a frame of animation. Ha! Other animes don't do this because it costs more money and takes longer to make. It has nothing to do with "taking care of consistent artstyle" They just can't do this or don't have the budget or time for it. Imagine seeing this as a negative thing... https://twitter.com/Vivy_Shots/status/1401556131663785988?s=20 |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| so this is their last chance huh but i believe matsumoto and vivy can carry out the project successfully so its ok osamu bleeding out was so sad geez, they shouldve saved him for unlimited takebacks cant wait for the next episode!! |
Comander-07 said: Oh i got it. so your problem isn't the style change itself but the fact that characters had to stand still like in a time stopping when the KIERO360 said: imagine thinking a slideshow is "animation" lmaoHa! Other animes don't do this because it costs more money and takes longer to make. It has nothing to do with "taking care of consistent artstyle" They just can't do this or don't have the budget or time for it. Imagine seeing this as a negative thing... https://twitter.com/Vivy_Shots/status/1401556131663785988?s=20 style change happened right? Fair enough. |
| Fucking pain, but the end gave me hope again, but Osamu is permanently dead now, so I have received fucking pain again. Amazing episode! The show has truly been amazing so far, but at the end of the day the ending is the one that makes or breaks an anime, especially an anime original, so I really hope Vivy fucking nails it. Yui and Elizabeth's deaths hit really hard, glad we got one more reset. Man, that must feel really fucked up for Vivy, when the whole of humanity depends on her singing, but she can't sing. I am really looking forward to the finale, I really fucking hope they give us an amazing and satisfying ending. |
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| What's the piano OST during the Vivy flashback portion during the ending section of the episode? Does anyone know? |
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| Honestly, I have no idea what the point of all that traveling and even writing a song on her own was if she still doesn't know what "heart" is and can't actually sing when it matters....So she sees the whole world destroyed and only then suddenly feels she can do it after all. But still, she is the chosen one, the special one. Bleh. And I know this is not a music anime, but you'd think that with singing and music being mentioned about every 5 minutes, they'd give us more than one generic song repeated throughout the entire show. Just me being picky, I guess. Maybe my expectations were too high. |
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| Saw this ending from two episodes back; Vivy's song was proof AI's could be creative, so they champion it as part of their rebellion. The Archive did give her a chance to save humanity, all she had to do is sing the song it but she can't. What are the protagonists going to do now? Resurrect her Diva personality (or prevent her erasure in the first place) the next time they travel back? |
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| Matsumoto & Vivy had practically zero chance of the Singularity Project succeeding the first time since it turned out that The Archive knew they were trying to change the future so was always one step ahead of them. But this time is different - they've found the moment that can change things, one that The Archive won't have time to readjust. I just wish Osamu didn't have to die in order to save everyone. |
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Daddylonglegs770 said: This episode actually showed that vivy has human like emotions and is the closest thing to a human being , vivy is filled with regret and it clearly shows , such a good episode as always :) yeah DIVA/VIVY is the only machine that live 100 years, the first of it kinds and the only thing that learn everything except heart because only human have the capacity to process that... |
| nice episode... i hope the ending not rushed... i like that Matsumoto know that DIVA is gone and he always keep saying VIVY and Diva anymore... |
| Why did OG Matsumoto have to die? I don't get it. All that was necessary to stop satellites fall was for Vivy to sing. She could have jumped back, save scientist, go meet with organization like before and just connect to Archive and sing program to stop AI. |
| Wait so how can she carry out the project again in just one episode?Will there be a season 2? Ngl,the Archive's mission is so stupid.It's because of humans dependance on AIs that they were able to evolve.If it wasn't for humans AIs wouldn't receive any updates at all and would remain as they are. |
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| "I can come back from dea----!!!" And then we are up for one last ride. For a single AI to hold the future of all the world. A journey of 100yrs will now finally serve its purpose. Can't wait for the finale. |
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| I'm a bit confused. So the archive wants to wipe out humans because it realises that they have the capacity to attain emotions due to Vivy? Then how does the first timeline compute to that result since Vivy wasn't active at that point of time? For the current timeline, archive planned two outcome: - if Vivy can sing her song, terminate satellite crash - if Vivy couldn't, wipe the humans This feels particularly confusing to me. If Vivy can sing, and has qualities of a human traits and emotions, isn't that all the more reasons to wipe the humans, since they aren't needed anymore? And of course, vice-versa. I also don't get why they have to give up saving Osamu. Wasn't Osamu one of the contributing reason why Toak wasn't hostile to them? And they manage to make it that far too, the reason they failed is that Vivy couldn't sing. UNLESS, Vivy isn't planning to use her voice to stop the satellite crash and instead, directly cancel the directive order for the satellite crash. This, I will only know in the next episode. Generally, I'm just baffled. Hope someone can have the patience to clear my confusion. |
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BenDTU said: I really can’t be the only one that feels like the “Humans have become too dependent on AIs” thread has just not been set up *at all*, right? Actually, it makes perfect sense. They're letting AIs raise children, be nurses, run a hotel and be responsible for the lives of everyone there. And we've seen what happens to most humans when they lose their AI: they go fucking crazy and turn themselves into cyborgs, or shit like that. At the same time, they're not really treating the AIs well either. If you can just experiment on one for 6 months then throw it away, or force-delete it's original mission and use it as a living battery. And that whole "only one mission per AI" is bullshit anyway, since AIs can do whatever then way and justify it as being for the mission. |
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| Oh man, we had a lot going on in this episode, and it was pretty intense. We saw Vivy and the members of Toak get into action in order to prevent the Satelites from coming in and causing destruction to Earth, but things didn't end so well for most of Toak during the process. Elizabeth and Vivy were close to destroying the archive's heart, but Elizabeth left everything up to Vivy, and Vivy failed to stop the Satelities Now Vivy has a second chance to do things, I wonder what'll happen now. Definitely excited to see what's next in the final episode! |
Zackack99Jun 14, 2021 8:08 PM
| Man, I am profoundly sick of this season's schtick of "A thing happened! Oh, wait. No it didn't." "Oh, we're just resetting this episode. None of it happened. Let's do it again," then it feels a bit pointless to even talk about what happened in the episode because now it didn't happen. Vivy fails (not that she really tried, to be honest), but it's fine because they have a redo. There weren't even any big twists with why Archive went crazy or the like. It's just another one of the many crazy genocidal/suicdal robots/people in this show, which at this point I'm pretty sure outnumber the sane ones. There were only about five seconds of 'action' to look at on the other side, unless you want to count watching blips spin around in a CGI background, in which case there would be ten seconds of action. So what does carry over? Well, Vivy got yelled at by Matsumoto some more to believe in herself. Yet again. Not feeling like the future-changing hero of the world when 12 episodes and a century of time has passed, and she still needs to be harrangued every step of the way into stepping up to the plate. We are so far past the point where the hero should still be floundering and struggling with the will to keep fighting, especially after an entire arc of that, and especially especially since it has been roughly half the arcs in this damn show. Take some goddamned initiative for once. Do you actually want to save the world, or are you just going to obey some obnoxious cube-dude every time he yells at you? |
| The Archive herself even can't deny the mission out of her body projection. The Archive computing all the possibilities over 115 years she lived for contributing to the human evolution. But as the society evolved itself, and Ai's also evolved, The Archive decided such an extreme judgement over her calculation to the overall society. Extinguish all the depended human race. Still, She wasn't aware that the dependency started from Ai evolution themselves over 100 years. But, its not like The Archive had something wrong on her computation. She just carried out the mission alongside with Vivy. So, at the very simple line, the humanity already doomed when they created such a heavy database system who's got the personality to input all the datas like the Archive. Still, there's a one hope called Vivy to make everything clear from the beginning again, even to the Archive herself. One future already be proposed. But Vivy still had a doubt to executed it. Good lords, another sad views alongside with Matsumoto straight speech, once again, opened up her eyes after those long times. By having one fuckin last good chance, could Vivy done the 100-years mission she got with all of her heart contents poured? I don't know why. But i feel like a tragic end will reach Vivy as long as she finished up her Fluorite Eye's Song. Because, y'know, all the Ai's will all be gone forever together with the shutting down programme executed by the Archive. Which is mean? Lets see the final! |
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| emotional moment, when Vivy meet Osamu. Sadly, she has to abandon him on the next time travel, because saving Yui is more important. Elizabeth is badass in combat. Destroy robot security guards, suricide attack to destroy clone Matsumoto. Archive planned well, because clone Matsumoto seems stronger than the original. looking forward to next week. :) |
newluminous said: yeah kinda. Obviously it would be amazing having an entire show in that style, or atleast be like OPM/Mob when certain scenes get way more detailed. But they never brake the flow of the animation or completely switch the style to do it.Comander-07 said: Oh i got it. so your problem isn't the style change itself but the fact that characters had to stand still like in a time stopping when the imagine thinking a slideshow is "animation" lmao style change happened right? Fair enough. |
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| I just want Vivy to sing "Sing My Pleasure" one last time, on a big stage, even if there really aren't many audience, Matsumoto, Elizabeth and a few more surviving humans are enough.. at this moment, I have the feeling she will succeed with the singularity project, but it will be at some heavy cost, traveling back in time have always costed the characters so much. and Vivy has already lost so many people dear to her, it's only natural if she loses even more.... so I'm expecting a heavy tear-jerker next episode. That ED theme has become my favourite of the season, just thinking it's Vivy's efforts for many years to write such a masterpiece brings me tears of joy/sadness, it's such a mixed uneasy feeling, just like how the atmosphere of the anime has been from the start. I truly wish a happy ending for Vivy/Diva at the least! |
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| I don't like this episode at all , after watching this episode I got a clear cut idea about how this series is going to end and I am heavily disappointed I was expecting something else not vivy singing song and war ends.... |
| When you thought Vivy had finally found the meaning of "doing something with the heart" because she was able to write a whole song on her own but it wasn't the case... Well, time to return to the past one more time. After all, Dr. Matsumoto has enough plot armour to survive a freaking satellites shower so he can send Vivy back in time as many times as the plot needs it. Why did he have to die in the new timeline when Vivy could have easily saved both him and Toak female leader as she previously did? Because they noticed this flaw in the writing and killed off the poor dude to erase this possibility, of course. Now Vivy has only one last chance to do things right. |
| This show is full of nonsense. Nothing that happened this episode is logical, I kept constantly thinking of better ways to handle every situation, but the show obviously doesn't care because there won't be any drama that way. And not to talk about all the dishonest plot points like saying the massacre would stop if Vivy sings. Yeah, I guess Vivy is a good anime, if you completely turn off your brain and only look at the pretty animation, that is. |
| There is an opportunity, Let's go Vivy, let the singularity plan work. Good chapter. |
| I guess I was kinda right, ahhh was hoping they wouldn't be able to warp back into time to have a better result but It can't be helped. Still Vivy had a moment of shock.. again she is a A.I so when they bring up topics like love, or matters of the heart. They seem to over complicate shit lol. |
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| Damn this is very well executed episode! Yui and Elizabeth thankfully will be back again it sucks that they appeared in latter part of episodes they grown into me. I wish they got more screentime oh well Poor Vivy she was very conflicted Next ep will be last one for the looks of it this wont be having a 2nd season So this is it sayonara Vivy :( |
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| Too bad the attempt to stop the bombarding of satellites failed with everyone that joined them dying but it seems Vivy got one last chance to save humanity using her song. Gotta say its really sad Osamu had to die again considering he has never heard Vivy live and never will. |
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| We want to fulfill our mission that these humans gave us but we find them annoying so we're gonna destroy them so we can fulfill these said missions. last part was cool tho |
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| Noo.. Osamu die again for real this time... This is Vivy last chance. That last ending scene Artstyle was Beautiful... Now to finished Vivy Mission: to make everyone happy with her songs!!! I trust Tappei Nagatsuki for a Great Finale... |
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| And now we have 2 fucked up futures...neat... Hope 3rd make a charm |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| The Project's all gone down hill. Beth and Yui are gone, Vivy couldn't prove Archive that a route of A.I human coexistence was possible through her singing and shutting it down, the satellite crashes to earth and humans are as good as no more. So through Vivy creating her song, she unknowingly created another major point to the 100 year war, giving Archive the answer that A.I's were far enough to no longer require humans, and that to "assist" humanity's evolution, was to end them. Matsumoto helping Vivy find her answer to what a "heart" was, by making her create an answer herself. Her answer being the through reflecting on her memories of the people and moments she experienced in those 100 years, was truly beautiful, and i feel has given her the answer she's been looking for, also potentially furthering A.I as it is by Vivy creating her own definition of something. Osamu giving Vivy a second chance in a new time line, making sure they don't make the same mistake by sacrificing himself was heart-breaking. He know what needed to be done, hopefully they won't waste it. Will admit, the idea that the crew could basically "restart" any time, by sending data of the time line to a new one, and therefore keep doing trial and error until they eventually got a good ending (RE: Zero style) slightly bugs me, and makes the anime loose a bit of charm, but honestly i feel like this negative is pretty heavily out weight by the mass amounts of positives this show produced, and i'm still certain this anime is a modern masterpiece. |
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