86--EIGHTY-SIX (light novel)
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theGodde said: Ronsuma said: curious,Let them be, some people just love to besmirch every anime in existence for some reason. (: This show is so so good! have you read the LN? Sadly not yet, but I am looking into the prospect of getting involved. |
Marinate1016 said: Do You know what was CloverWorks Job in this episode?Holy shit by far the best episode so far. What an amazing job A-1/Cloverworks did today. First of all, the emphasis on facial expressions was apparent and very well done. Did a great job of bringing moments like Lena and Annette, Lena and Karstahl and the final convo with shin to life. Annette’s seiyuu was phenomenal today. I wasn’t expecting that final Rei post credits scene at all. Caught me totally off guard but was perfect. Only minor criticism I had was Haruto’s death being off screen, but the ep was way too good to get caught up on things like that. Given how they streamed through today’s episode and the content that’s left, I do think we’ll see some anime original content/MAYBE a start to volume 2 to close out the cour. I don’t think there’s quite enough to stretch for 4 eps, even if you give this finale two full episodes, but we’ll see. I’ll let A-1 surprise me, they’ve done a masterful job so far. Edit: didn’t even talk about Annette and Shin’s flashback or the empty barracks scene which was heartbreaking. A LOT of great takeaways from today. |
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| Wtf is everyone actually gonna die? Lena better do something |
Levamme said: Nieznajomy43 said: Wait, Shin lived next to Anna as a kid? So if he survives, maybe he'll end up with Anna and not Lena? wait what? anna clearly mock Shin (if thats him) and avoid him, and cares more about how society view her than covering for her friend. why would Shin end up with her? In some kinda twist of fate, like Anna as a child had crush on him and the feeling stayed to this day and in some way this is a reason why she can't find a husband. Also Anna never hated Shin, she was only doing that because of social norm/pressure and she clearly hates herself for that. So it could be interesting "redemption arc" for her. Of course I doubt it will happen, even if Shin survive he will most likely end up with Lena (if she survive) but still it would be interesting to see. |
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| Oi oi and then there was five? They swept up the 86 under the attack. This feels like the show is ending, but they already have a 2nd cour in place. So what could be in store yet? Also Lena and Annette's end of friendship was as harsh as it could be. Sometimes it good to be ignorant of things as to not get hurt, but feeling the pain is what grows us. That moment when Annette called Shin a colored one, broke my heart. When the people you trust with kind treat you like same as others, its hard to face the world. Its a harsh world even as kids. |
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| From the beginning I never liked Annette and this episode really drove thatr home. Such twisted logic for a twisted character. At least Jerome just acknowledges that this is just how this fucked up country is. Anyway great sendoff with the 5 survivors going to their "last" battle. I do wonder if this really will be the last. For all 5 of them. This is still volume one of the novels ffs. And what is Lena going to do? I think it's time she takes a drastic move. It's crazy how fast everyone has died off. |
| I fucking love this show man, phenomenal episode! I have other stuff to read but, fuck it 86 is going on top the priority list. Why they gotta off screen my boy Haruto's death though damn. Annette was honestly speaking facts, it's not right but, it's reality. Most people in this world are like Annette or Lena's uncle. We gotta do what we gotta do to survive, that it's better to not get involved, stuff like that. I hope they do fix their friendship though, seeing how Lena is at least trying to help the eighty-six must make Annette feel like shit, unintentionally guilt tripping her and shit. She was out of line but, I can understand her circumstances. Pretty interesting that Annette and Shin were childhood friends though. It's only 5 of them left huh, seeing how there's less and less of them in that shot in the OP with the spearheads in the hanger and then more and more of them in that shot of the flower field is pretty depressing. It was right in front of us all this time, that the 5 of them will be the ones left based on the poster visuals. The irony how they're all happy before the mission and here I am only feeling depression. Really looking forward to the next episode, it better not be goodbye. That post credits scene though, Jesus. So, Shin's scar really was just from Rei choking him, not because of some head removing experimentation shit lmao. Man, the remaining episodes will be insane. And we're only in volume 1 like what the fuck. |
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| I'm still hoping that Lena would go to the warzone but I highly doubt that she can useful though, I guess I just wanted her to see Shin and the others personally |
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sKyBlazer08 said: I fucking love this show man, phenomenal episode! I have other stuff to read but, fuck it 86 is going on top the priority list. Why they gotta off screen my boy Haruto's death though damn. Annette was honestly speaking facts, it's not right but, it's reality. Most people in this world are like Annette or Lena's uncle. We gotta do what we gotta do to survive, that it's better to not get involved, stuff like that. I hope they do fix their friendship though, seeing how Lena is at least trying to help the eighty-six must make Annette feel like shit, unintentionally guilt tripping her and shit. She was out of line but, I can understand her circumstances. Pretty interesting that Annette and Shin were childhood friends though. It's only 5 of them left huh, seeing how there's less and less of them in that shot in the OP with the spearheads in the hanger and then more and more of them in that shot of the flower field is pretty depressing. It was right in front of us all this time, that the 5 of them will be the ones left based on the poster visuals. The irony how they're all happy before the mission and here I am only feeling depression. Really looking forward to the next episode, it better not be goodbye. That post credits scene though, Jesus. So, Shin's scar really was just from Rei choking him, not because of some head removing experimentation shit lmao. Man, the remaining episodes will be insane. And we're only in volume 1 like what the fuck. True, gotta hand it to Annette. Everything she said is completely true, and does genuinely represent a lot of people in the real world. |
Ironaditya said: Marinate1016 said: Do You know what was CloverWorks Job in this episode?Holy shit by far the best episode so far. What an amazing job A-1/Cloverworks did today. First of all, the emphasis on facial expressions was apparent and very well done. Did a great job of bringing moments like Lena and Annette, Lena and Karstahl and the final convo with shin to life. Annette’s seiyuu was phenomenal today. I wasn’t expecting that final Rei post credits scene at all. Caught me totally off guard but was perfect. Only minor criticism I had was Haruto’s death being off screen, but the ep was way too good to get caught up on things like that. Given how they streamed through today’s episode and the content that’s left, I do think we’ll see some anime original content/MAYBE a start to volume 2 to close out the cour. I don’t think there’s quite enough to stretch for 4 eps, even if you give this finale two full episodes, but we’ll see. I’ll let A-1 surprise me, they’ve done a masterful job so far. Edit: didn’t even talk about Annette and Shin’s flashback or the empty barracks scene which was heartbreaking. A LOT of great takeaways from today. The animation. It was outsourced. |
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| Welp, with annett getting tired of Lena's concern for the 86, it only means that Lena is all alone..... |
| Damn, A1 keeps topping themselves with every new episode. This is without a doubt the best anime any of their teams have ever put out and without a doubt the best LN of all time. Hopefully by the time the first cour ends MAL lets me give this a 12/10 rating. |
| All I feel is pain, I can't. :( This is so cool that after every episode I really need a break, this is just to good. |
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| Damn super heavy episode again. I hope it will stop beeing so forced melodramatic though. People said this in the past already and its definitely true, with the constant emotional hits but lack of character developement for the 86 it loses real impact. Also wtf is that republic? Only Alba are real humans for them so I always wondered how their politics with other countries looked like, apparently nobody knows how they treat 86? Wut? Maybe I missed that, but 86 arent a race right? They are just non alba. Isnt the world filled with non albas? How about you exile them? Or idk go for a more direct approach instead of basing your military on them? I guess everyone always drinks and stuff to distract themselfes but those arent exactly people I trust not to say "hey the drones arent empty". Like what? I really hoped this story would be a bit.. more solid overall. Animation is amazing though. |
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theGodde said: I think this is the issue. Because you have read the LN, you are obsessed with it accurately portraying the events as close as possible to the LN in every way. I see people complain here even when a single dramatic beat *didn't hit as hard* or something like that ehh a little clarification, i havent read the LN myself. i only know how it goes in it because people cant keep shut about it. so no, i dont know every scene the anime skip. altho i've read the manga a bit do i want more scene to explain things in details? yes. but am i confused about the on going conflict? not really. you can still connect the dot about the plot, or still realize particularly in this episode how some albanian actually knows the reality but choose to ignore it. (before, we only heard it from 86 dialogue) also lena and annete, the duality of alban of same age with contrasting action, the anime delivers that imo bottom line, i just want more of it because i like it, not complaining its bad (the adaptation). theGodde said: The reason why binging it all in one go would be able to determine whether I personally find this to be true is because it would allow me to experience the entire story at the pace I want it to. I will have immediate memory of all references and previous events to give better and clearer context not just to the story, but also the tone and pacing ok, thats a solid reason. Nieznajomy43 said: In some kinda twist of fate, like Anna as a child had crush on him and the feeling stayed to this day and in some way this is a reason why she can't find a husband. Also Anna never hated Shin, she was only doing that because of social norm/pressure and she clearly hates herself for that. thats kind of obvious. or rather, that happen everywhere with kids. afraid to lose more friend/afraid to get ridiculed over defending that one close friend which everyone hates. its pretty common occurrence afaik. altho we already have Lena who still didnt give in to social pressure, so the best annete can do is apologize not ends up with him |
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| Still not really that invested in this, which is a shame because with that preview for that next episode, the interesting concepts just keep coming. I just wish I cared for the characters a little more, but I don't. It's all well made but the one thing I really like is the way they end each episode, not on a cliffhanger (well there's the preview but I don't think that really counts), but on note that says "that's the end of this chapter, all tied up!" Don't exactly know how to word it but each episode just ends very nicely, you know? |
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| Wow. That was fucking brutal. Each episode hits harder than the last |
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theGodde said: Levamme said: dunno how you conclude it doesnt have a soul, or even which "ongoing" shows have a clear soul before it finish even 1 cour but this story is a bit harder to adapt i believe because it has many POV's like we already seen, with the pace going back and forth. but still have to be fitted into 24 minutes of episode complete with OP & ED. i just hope in cour 2 we got another flashback or kind of re-telling any missed event from anime adaptation that will clear some situation in cour 1 i doubt it tho, binging it ala netflix show will fix that. it will just speed up your confusion, lul I think this is the issue. Because you have read the LN, you are obsessed with it accurately portraying the events as close as possible to the LN in every way. I see people complain here even when a single dramatic beat *didn't hit as hard* or something like that. From the perspective of a non LN reader, it just doesn't feel natural or organic. It just feels like a series of events being ticked off. A good adaptation looks at the big picture and decides what has to be cut out for the story to adapt well to anime form. I have never heard of a LN being adapted so accurately blow-by-blow before (but that may just be inexperience) The reason why binging it all in one go would be able to determine whether I personally find this to be true is because it would allow me to experience the entire story at the pace I want it to. I will have immediate memory of all references and previous events to give better and clearer context not just to the story, but also the tone and pacing. You are absolutely right. I have debated a bit with someone else on another thread how the anime might not hit the right note for some people depending on what they are expecting. I attributed that problem mostly to the anime format that forces weekly episodes and how some charm of the first LN might not transition that well because of it. I definitely think that for some people, marathoning the anime can result in a better experience because of how you can dictate the flow of the story instead of being time-gated for weeks on end. I do recommend you to try to marathon it and see if it works better for you! Also as a side note, I believe Durarara 1st season is a similar type of accurately adapted LN since the first cour(first 12-13 episodes) adapted only a single LN similar to 86. I haven't read Durarara though so I can't say for sure if it's that accurately adapted, but I do recommend you to check it out if you're interested. |
| The relationship between those two brothers is so interesting yet frustrating and sad. Because they could never show what affection they had towards each other after all of that happened. I loved this episode like this whole show but it is so dark and sad whats happening right now. And it's even worse to know that we had societies like that in the past of our world, too. |
| Yeap, the story really become more interesting... And i ready to buy the ln after s2 finished. But i just can't stand about lena. Her naive and hypocrisy always remind me to suzaku. I know there's will be development, but still. |
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| Man, this anime is probably one of, if not the, best anime of this season for me. I have no idea what’s going to happen next but it seems as if next episode would be a finale, though apparently that isn’t the case. I’m so sad with what’s happened with the 86’ers, but it’s good that we got more insight this episode regarding the lore behind them. |
Vanillacakee said: Yeah, I think I might just drop this anime soon. I was heavily debating it, but this episode... wow... This anime is trying so hard to be deep, it isn't even funny anymore. At least I gave it a fair chance by dedicating some of my valuable time to watching this ... mess. It's funny because initially they market their Waifu so hard, and now they want to treat her like a serious individual. Sorry light novel readers. I don't know how less trash the books are but the anime did not live up to my low expectations. Let me guess, you’d rather enjoy watching actual trash like Higehiro… Lol jk. I get it, you’re open to your opinions. I disagree with you but if you feel that way then well at least you gave the series a chance. |
| Oh my this episode looks like movie quality, nice ^.^ if I were Lena I would already defect to other countries. |
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| Why does everyone blame Lena when they are the idiots, that maintain status quo of evil. They believe that the Legion will stop after 2 years and the threat will be gone. Anette the rage bomb, what actually was her problem. Sure that are haunting memories she had from the past, but Lena has nothing to do with it. R U S H E D after the previous episode that was a fast progression, but they don't have enough episodes to make it any different. I just was like "uhh, already?" The final march of Spearhead already looked bittersweet with the epic sunrise and cute transport units, also they looked kind of happy to be out of the loop very soon. Let's see what they can do with 5 people. Just would be curious as to how fast they have that outpost "refilled". When Legion would be serious that would not even matter honestly. |
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| So it looks like Henrietta's friend was actually Nouzen? Loved it, it probably won't happen, but I really wanted to see their reunion, at least she could ask him for forgiveness. Maybe I'm saying nonsense here, but Nouzen's mother died in one of Henrietta's father's experiments? His older brother blames him for some reason, I was thinking that maybe could have a relationship with him trying to be friends or just play with Henrietta. It's very sad to see them going on a suicide mission, I'm waiting for someone to come to their rescue, probably Lena will try to do something, It's not possible that everyone will just die, Nouzen hasn't even met Lena yet. |
| I fucking hate Annette after this episode. Lena has disgusting friends. |
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Rose_Player said: waw, scary. Sounds like season 2 is gonna be more intense Not to burst your bubble but I don't want you to be disappointed so this is for you're own sake. The second cour wont be more intense. I wont explain how, or why. I suggest not asking since that goes into spoiler territory, but just know, it wont be more intense, or better. Well it could be better for you. But still keep your expectations low. |
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addie1998 said: AnimeLeviathan said: Not to burst your bubble but I don't want you to be disappointed so this is for you're own sake. The second cour wont be more intense. I wont explain how, or why. I suggest not asking since that goes into spoiler territory, but just know, it wont be more intense, or better. Well it could be better for you. But still keep your expectations low. Cour 2 will have even more fights that people are expecting it to happen and i don't think they'll going to be disappointed ๐ค I was referring to the context this was in. I didn't enjoy vol 2 much though I will probably enjoy it a lot more when animated. Cour 2 has a shit ton of fights and great moments but no real intensity especially the way it was set up. Atleast compared to cour 1. |
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| Annette of the cake and bitter self hatred. Of course this show is extreme in its allegory but don't be fooled into thinking that people can't delude themselves in just this fashion. My heart breaks for those faced with these moral dilemmas And I salute the ultimate humanity of the 86'ers who refuse to be dragged down by the disgusting behaviour of their "superiors" |
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