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| I can really see the pacing becoming an issue for the future but this episode itself was awesome. It's really refreshing seeing another 50+ episode shounen and I'm a fan of the art style as well. I love the concept of Shamans and the characters seem quite interesting. I'm a bit worried regarding pacing but I'm still happy with my experience and I'll give this a 4/5. Opening was decent and the ending was quite good as well |
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| Well I was a huge fan of the Shaman King back in the day and I'm not really sure what I think about it just yet, I mean I used to watch it in my mother tongue so maybe that's why hearing them feels a bit off to me and I'm really scared it'll be too short to adapt everything but the animation is amazing and the OST is also pretty good (also I didn't remember the small blonde kid to be THAT annoying lmao) |
| Nice to see this series back, brings memories ^^ Opening is good, but i liked ending better Pace is a bit rushed, but i still enjoyed watching and will wait for more episodes~ |
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timtalksalot said: Yeah I'm gonna wait for the english dub. No offense to the VAs, but it just sounds awful, I loved the original english VAs. You're going to be disappointed if you think the 4Kids cast is going to return, even if it does get dubbed. |
| Life can be cruel and unfair. At worst it can traumatize and cripple you. The desire for wanting things to return to the way they were can cost everything and changes nothing. The best way is to keep moving forward, struggle on. Anger can be powerful but can only get you so far. Let people into your life even if some of them leave you in time. Fight. Like. Hell. For everything and everyone you love. Always. |
sikkimye said: CrimsonCW said: You're going to be disappointed if you think the 4Kids cast is going to return, even if it does get dubbed. It will definitely get dubbed considering it's Netflix property, it's another matter if the dub will be good or bad . Yeah, but it won't be by 4Kids or probably have any actors from it either. Maybe Sean as Amidamaru again, since I'm thinking FUNi, as usual, but that's it if any. |
| Life can be cruel and unfair. At worst it can traumatize and cripple you. The desire for wanting things to return to the way they were can cost everything and changes nothing. The best way is to keep moving forward, struggle on. Anger can be powerful but can only get you so far. Let people into your life even if some of them leave you in time. Fight. Like. Hell. For everything and everyone you love. Always. |
| is it just me or does Yoh seem like he is more motivated compared to the old version? |
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| People complaining about Hao scene when it was the best decision they could ever do.. Hao being firmly introduced as ultimate antagonist instead of a slow appearance and cliche twin plot twist.. now it's simply a strong narrative point Also complaining about how rushness affects Yoh and Amidamaru's relationship when pretty much all of it was accurate, the only thing that was kinda truly rushed was Amidamaru's past (only showed a panel of his childhood with Mosuke which didn't affect much), but his characterization as a legendary samurai was WAY better handled in the anime with much more impact on the viewer. It can't even compare, and I'm a huge SK manga fan I dont give a shit about old anime adaptation and how it was done there or if they spend 3 epis on some flashbacks and exposition, just wanna see those great manga moments adapted spectacularly, which I'm sure it will be.. If it doesn't have 100+ epis it won't be a faithful adaptation, but it doesn't have to be. Manga and anime are different mediums and offer different potentials. Anime can be dynamic, so let it be while cutting some stuff that would hinder pacing. I'm sure when it matters, shit will be there |
Killuaaachan said: That's probably what's gonna happen. By episode 12 they will be in America. This is a re-adaptation. Studio Bridge will have to rework and rearrange most of the events. They'll have to make things merge together and sacrifice most pauses in between fights. They will have to make shortcuts and fight montages for "uninportant" events. If they chose to skip an entire mini arc, then they can slow down the pace in some moments. So what do you care about more? Fast paced without skipping arcs or slower pace but cutting down some arcs? It hurst, but personally I prefer slower pace cutting down arcs.. better that than a mesh of content at light-speed.. Also, my guess it will have extra kanzenban scenes, also the fated last battle we didn't get anywhere.. so yeah better cut than cram |
username1218 said: I haven't watched the OG but this looks very boring. Why are this 13 year old kids the main characters? Why is this Manta kid so annoying? Why is this You kid so badass from the first episode and did his parents teach him how to button his shirt? Why is this Manta kid so short compared to other people in his class and why is his voice so annoying? Why are these bad guy designs purposely trying to make them look ugly and shit? Overall, I think this is a mediocre shonen with bland OP main character trying to seem nice but he is just annoying as well as the side characters. Comedy is forced, the show tries to be funny but can't. I will watch a few more eps but I think I wont change my opinion. Eventually will drop it if I get really bored of it. Why are the characters 13? Because they can be is there a reason why a shonen anime targeted towards boys shouldn't have young cast? Why is this kid manta annoying? Because he is paronoid and over exaggerated from seeing ghosts for the first time. Why is this you kid so bad ass? His name is Yoh by the way and he is badass because he has help, and because he is a cool mc. Also the bad guys if you could evsn call them that don't have purposely ugly bax designs you just think that. Overal I think you're just asking the most random questions, and no the MC..... fighting one person using a 500 year old samurai ghost doesn't make him op. Especialy not if not even half of the cast that is in the opening is even their wait for the cast to be present before you talk about anyone being op. |
DJ_Angelo said: username1218 said: I haven't watched the OG but this looks very boring. Why are this 13 year old kids the main characters? Why is this Manta kid so annoying? Why is this You kid so badass from the first episode and did his parents teach him how to button his shirt? Why is this Manta kid so short compared to other people in his class and why is his voice so annoying? Why are these bad guy designs purposely trying to make them look ugly and shit? Overall, I think this is a mediocre shonen with bland OP main character trying to seem nice but he is just annoying as well as the side characters. Comedy is forced, the show tries to be funny but can't. I will watch a few more eps but I think I wont change my opinion. Eventually will drop it if I get really bored of it. Why are the characters 13? Because they can be is there a reason why a shonen anime targeted towards boys shouldn't have young cast? Why is this kid manta annoying? Because he is paronoid and over exaggerated from seeing ghosts for the first time. Why is this you kid so bad ass? His name is Yoh by the way and he is badass because he has help, and because he is a cool mc. Also the bad guys if you could evsn call them that don't have purposely ugly bax designs you just think that. Overal I think you're just asking the most random questions, and no the MC..... fighting one person using a 500 year old samurai ghost doesn't make him op. Especialy not if not even half of the cast that is in the opening is even their wait for the cast to be present before you talk about anyone being op. thank you for actually being concerned with my questions but i just expressed how unpleased i was from the 1st episode and answering them still wont change my opinion but again, thanks for the effort you have put in it. |
username1218 said: DJ_Angelo said: Why are the characters 13? Because they can be is there a reason why a shonen anime targeted towards boys shouldn't have young cast? Why is this kid manta annoying? Because he is paronoid and over exaggerated from seeing ghosts for the first time. Why is this you kid so bad ass? His name is Yoh by the way and he is badass because he has help, and because he is a cool mc. Also the bad guys if you could evsn call them that don't have purposely ugly bax designs you just think that. Overal I think you're just asking the most random questions, and no the MC..... fighting one person using a 500 year old samurai ghost doesn't make him op. Especialy not if not even half of the cast that is in the opening is even their wait for the cast to be present before you talk about anyone being op. thank you for actually being concerned with my questions but i just expressed how unpleased i was from the 1st episode and answering them still wont change my opinion but again, thanks for the effort you have put in it. That wasn't my Intention to change your opinion begin with i just answered your questions and disagreed on you calling the mc OP based on first episode where not even half of the Main cast or even the other cast is present. That way you could call any MC Op just makes no sense especially im the first episode. He is not a bland shonen MC either because he is not hyper or dumb like naruto, goku or luffy. he is calm and collected he is different from the shonen norm Also i don't get with what you mean with trying to seem nice as annoying? Are you saying he is assshole trying to be nice considering you say trying? |
DJ_AngeloApr 5, 2021 1:05 PM
DJ_Angelo said: username1218 said: thank you for actually being concerned with my questions but i just expressed how unpleased i was from the 1st episode and answering them still wont change my opinion but again, thanks for the effort you have put in it. That wasn't my Intention to change your opinion begin with i just answered your questions and disagreed on you calling the mc OP based on first episode where not even half of the Main cast or even the other cast is present. That way you could call any MC Op just makes no sense especially im the first episode. He is not a bland shonen MC either because he is not hyper like naruto, goku or luffy. he is calm and collected Also i don't get with what you mean with trying to seem nice as annoying? Are you saying he is assshole considering you say trying? This is the first ep and I will change my opinion overall. He is not an asshole but it just looks like he is trying to be nice but fails. also i just hate the voice acting of Yoh but i watched the episode quite a while ago so i dont recall much. |
username1218 said: DJ_Angelo said: That wasn't my Intention to change your opinion begin with i just answered your questions and disagreed on you calling the mc OP based on first episode where not even half of the Main cast or even the other cast is present. That way you could call any MC Op just makes no sense especially im the first episode. He is not a bland shonen MC either because he is not hyper like naruto, goku or luffy. he is calm and collected Also i don't get with what you mean with trying to seem nice as annoying? Are you saying he is assshole considering you say trying? This is the first ep and I will change my opinion overall. He is not an asshole but it just looks like he is trying to be nice but fails. also i just hate the voice acting of Yoh but i watched the episode quite a while ago so i dont recall much. Oh I see for me the voice acting sounds fine besides that i watched the old anime and can tell the difference between the old and new. but that might be also why I'm not bothered because the voice is pretty well done In sounding similair. To catch that calm easy going vibe for the mc. |
SailorAndromeda said: It's so fast wtf, I couldn't even breath while I was watching this first episode. I'm currently rereading the manga and don't know If I will continue this new adaptation. I'd say just read the manga (you won't have to wait 6 months either) and then come back out of curiosity. By the way, everybody, a friend sent me this. And it's a good example of how lacking music can ruin almost everything. Here is this new series with original series music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmEyxa4yoJg |
CrimsonCWApr 6, 2021 9:55 AM
| Life can be cruel and unfair. At worst it can traumatize and cripple you. The desire for wanting things to return to the way they were can cost everything and changes nothing. The best way is to keep moving forward, struggle on. Anger can be powerful but can only get you so far. Let people into your life even if some of them leave you in time. Fight. Like. Hell. For everything and everyone you love. Always. |
Dankratos said: CrimsonCW said: I'd say for your first time just read the manga (you won't have to wait 6 months either) and then come back out of curiosity. By the way, everybody, a friend sent me this. And it's a good example of how lacking music can ruin almost everything. Here is this new series with original series music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmEyxa4yoJg the new is much better Come back and say this again halfway through. I'm betting it'll be a lot harder. |
| Life can be cruel and unfair. At worst it can traumatize and cripple you. The desire for wanting things to return to the way they were can cost everything and changes nothing. The best way is to keep moving forward, struggle on. Anger can be powerful but can only get you so far. Let people into your life even if some of them leave you in time. Fight. Like. Hell. For everything and everyone you love. Always. |
Glad you're more optimistic about it than I am. |
| Life can be cruel and unfair. At worst it can traumatize and cripple you. The desire for wanting things to return to the way they were can cost everything and changes nothing. The best way is to keep moving forward, struggle on. Anger can be powerful but can only get you so far. Let people into your life even if some of them leave you in time. Fight. Like. Hell. For everything and everyone you love. Always. |
| Jesus, I knew it was getting the Brotherhood treatment, but I didn't realize it was also gonna inherit Brotherhood's awful pacing in the beginning. I'm not gonna shit on them too much because it does seem like a lot of material to cover in the amount of episodes they were given, but is the beginning really where they should have attempted to cut stuff out? Maybe it's just my poor memory, but I recall there being much more to Yoh getting Amidamaru to join, but this just blitzed through it all. Also damn, I know it wasn't a great first episode but not bad enough for these ratings, which I now see is happening with every single airing show. I don't understand why someone is botting these shows to this degree, the ratings already don't matter that much, but the episode ratings matter even less, so this is a confusing amount of effort being put in to discredit all these shows. |
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Takuto_Shindou said: Are mods seriously NOT going to fix the trolling rating? FFS anyone who finds this topic on blind might give up of watching the series because of a dumbass April Fools joke that never ended. Do you honestly believe anyone who actually judges anime based on superficial MAL forum ratings would care about it for any real reasons anyway? |
| Life can be cruel and unfair. At worst it can traumatize and cripple you. The desire for wanting things to return to the way they were can cost everything and changes nothing. The best way is to keep moving forward, struggle on. Anger can be powerful but can only get you so far. Let people into your life even if some of them leave you in time. Fight. Like. Hell. For everything and everyone you love. Always. |
| I don't care if Yoh is only 13; he is sexy af; go ahead and arrest me. :D As predicted, the new OP cannot beat Northern Lights...I was surprised Megumi still sings it though...wow, her voice is not nearly as strong as it used to be (and of course it isn't since she is way older now, sure) but the music itself is lacking a bit. And yeah, not digging the 'vocaloid style' ED either. Still a good show though. I bought a used copy of episodes of the 2001 version...and now I can't find them lol...how am I supposed to compare them then!? |
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| Didn't even know this remake was a thing. I think it being in Netflix prison will probably make it go under the radar for most people and will be likely forgotten as well. I saw the OG and have fond memories of it (even if it was the butchered kid friendly version). The one thing that sticks out in this one so far is that it seems to be extremely fast paced and they already spoiled Yoh's twin? Wtf. I remember that being a huge twist back in the day. I am glad they kept mostly the original art style but man....the "grotestque" aspects didn't age well. And why does Faust look like some clown toy? He was super dark and legit creepy looking in the OG. |
| Shoot. I'm super used to the Fox Box dub so I have to get used to things. Lol Looking at the OP, I'm glad they got rid of the stereotypical lips on Chocolove. Good. (They'restillusingthemelsewherethough.) I forgot how much I like these characters. They're so fun. ;_; I'm happy to see everyone again. There were a few things that were a kinda wonky, but still enjoyable! |
Swiggy said: Looking at the OP, I'm glad they got rid of the stereotypical lips on Chocolove. Good. (They'restillusingthemelsewherethough.) Not everyone is as easily offended as you are, thankfully. |
CrimsonCWApr 15, 2021 2:50 PM
| Life can be cruel and unfair. At worst it can traumatize and cripple you. The desire for wanting things to return to the way they were can cost everything and changes nothing. The best way is to keep moving forward, struggle on. Anger can be powerful but can only get you so far. Let people into your life even if some of them leave you in time. Fight. Like. Hell. For everything and everyone you love. Always. |
| Feel extremely torn on this. On the one hand, I could not be more happy and I really feel so astounded that they were able to get a 52 episode reboot greenlighted and financed in the first place, on the other hand it obviously does have major flaws when it comes to the pacing and condensing the story/ character development. I am afraid that new fans will have trouble keeping up and also be unable to tolerate certain older cliches from that shonen jump era storytelling wise and older fans like me will struggle not to constantly compare the new series to the source material/ old adaptation (which is admittedly a little unfair of us). The interest in Shaman king has always been somewhat inconsistent when compared to other beloved Jump titles and I really really really wanted it to get a good reboot treatment so that it would get the recognition it deserves, but I'm afraid that this series will be unable to due to some of the restraints it is facing financial wise |
| OH GOD, didn't know this reboot already started... The anime site I usually watch anime on didn't upload this since their system thought this was just a reupload of original Shaman King episode... ___ ___ ___ Well, it's not bad, it's a like a mix of DBZ's remaster with FMA's brotherhood. Where they upgrade the art-style to current style while shortening some stuff so there will be less total episodes. (like DBZ removing fillers or shortening "AHHHH" time) |
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CrimsonCW said: Swiggy said: Looking at the OP, I'm glad they got rid of the stereotypical lips on Chocolove. Good. (They'restillusingthemelsewherethough.) Not everyone is as easily offended as you are, thankfully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnEw5KssFg Hello again. Maybe I just can't find it, but it looks like you deleted my response to your profile comment, so I really want to reiterate this. Again, you're making a lot of assumptions about me and my feelings on the matter. I didn't indicate whether I was offended or not. I happen to have a lot to say about the subject since I've had to research the subject, but me liking the change has less to do with being offended and more to do with aesthetics. I'll elaborate. My apologies in advance for the lengthy post-- I geek out a bit about my research. First, I watched the video and unfortunately the creator failed to really understand a lot of perspectives out there. Personally, I don't like these stereotypical lips on any character which is the reason why I typed out "(They'restillusingthemelsewherethough.)" That is, one of Ryuu's gang has these lips as well and I don't like them used there either. Additionally, bringing in the video, I've never liked how Usopp was drawn with those same big lips. The creator also fails to notice that people have indeed been complaining about that though he spends much of the video raging about how no one seems to have a problem with it. A quick search of "Usopp racist" shows that he's incorrect. I don't care what the video creator says: the lips aren't flattering. I don't like them because they're an ugly exaggeration. That's it. Not because I think they're racist, not because I think they're trying to show Chocolove as a lesser human. I just think lips drawn in that style are not flattering. And they're usually not meant to be flattering. Not to ignore the historical context that I'll get into later, but when it boils down to it, that's my reason. And that's not to say I think big lips are ugly in general. I think it's a bit odd that he feels calling the lips ugly as a black person is calling yourself ugly-- that's a weird connection when the lips really are just drawn in an ugly way. People complain about Dorothy's lips in Great Pretender, but I think they're fine. It's not about if the lips are drawn big; it's about how the big lips are drawn. Also, even when the "stereotypical lips" are drawn on characters/creatures/gag fodder who aren't of African descent, it's usually not meant to be seen as flattering. It just is what it is: the stereotypical lips are not really supposed to look nice, so to me it's good that they changed them on Chocolove. It's a shame they took the lips out altogether when they could have just drawn the big lips better, but at least it looks better as it is now. So again, the creator of the video has missed the point and has not thoroughly understood what people are feeling about the situation. They've just made assumptions, maybe even based off of some other posts, but the way he's tried to summarize those opinions is off. Not the greatest video, really. However, it is important to understand where Japan received their idea of these lips (and why I keep calling the lips stereotypical). I do wish the creator of the video went into this. The bootleg version of The Little Black Sambo was published in Japan. The bootleg version actually DID use the stereotypical images of the pickaninny or what people now call the sambo stereotype even though the book wasn't supposed to be based in Africa (it was originally based in South India). As a result, the copy of Little Black Sambo with the stereotypical lips blew up-- it's really popular in Japan. It's a book that's considered a household title in Japan. It's so popular that a Japanese spin off book was made called Ufu to Mufu. They ended up making a lot of merch as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXLv6GTmJEc As you can see, yes, they use some stereotypical images but it really seems like they don't know the history behind it at all and genuinely just think it's cute. That is, just for example, they're not drawing the girl in the same often sexual context that toddlers drawn in the pickaninny style used to be drawn in (like here: https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/69/9a/17/699a1707252abecf0ce6ca7e1a8f91b6.jpg ) or they're not trying to make them look uneducated. It's more that they're trying to make these characters cute and relatable as opposed to making a mockery out of them. So here, yes, the lips are stereotypical and we can call them that, but it's important that we distinguish that just because someone uses a stereotype doesn't mean that the person is or intends to be racist. Though it doesn't mean it should just be ignored either. There are, of course, people in Japan (the target audience) who are against the depiction of the pickaninny versions of The Little Black Sambo that Japan was given. In Japan, there definitely are protests (like with Jungle Kurobee) and essays written about the subject. Still, for the most part, people in Japan weren't really aware that that version actually was meant to show black people as lesser and Japanese creators are indeed being inspired by it even now. They just think the designs are cute and there aren't really many people to tell them what the caricatures were originally used for. That being said, I don't think this is a tale of Japan being racist, it's a tale of understanding that media informs. If your media informs incorrectly, then your audience will receive incorrect information. I can't tell you the amount of international students who thought black people actually all had big red/beige lips or-- my personal favorite misconception-- had ideas about how California was only full of black people. They'd always get those ideas from media. They told me they would watch reality TV and get all of their perceptions of California from those shows. That's what's going on in Japan. What we give them is what they know and what they use. It's not really about racism. Additionally, Shaman King began before an age where sharing information was easier. Same with One Piece. They're going to look around at what's more readily available to them and think, "I need a black character. How do other manga-ka draw them?" Then they might change the color to a lighter hue, and there we go. Should be noted that Shaman King and One Piece started around the same times (like a year apart or so), so it really probably was just a matter of influence, inspirations, and references available at the time. So to me, it's good that the lips are gone because to me the new design is more aesthetically pleasing and works well for the anime's visuals. It's also good because this shows that information has been spreading more AND/OR creators are getting their hands on good/more accurate representations. Good. Considering that some of the first entertainment that the US brought to Japan even before The Little Black Sambo was a blackface minstrel show, I'd say that's a pretty great step up. Though I want to make it clear, I would have watched the show regardless of whether the lips were changed or not since I'm not here to change anime. I'm just here to consume. That's not to say I won't voice my opinions though. TL;DR: The video needs more research and makes too many assumptions. I understand that drawing them that way was the thing for a while, but those stereotypical big lips are not and never have been flattering. There are way better ways to draw big lips. Used this post to explore the intriguing historical publishing context as to why many creators in Japan are drawing these stereotypical lips. Approved of the future possibilities made possible by the ease of information access. |
TealVelvet said: ChocolateIsLifu said: Felt like I was watching Shaman King on 2.5 speed. This is exactly how it feels,i watched the original but trying to put myself on a first timer shoes, it goes way too fast, i don't feel any build up to stuff. I'm actually starting to dislike it. I am a fan of the old anime and manga as well. Please keep watching, it seems to be getting better by the episode :) |
| i don't remember a single thing about this, but i know i liked it when i was a kid, so i'm excited to see what comes next :D damn Yoh is super calm lol now i can't wait to see the girl (was her name Anna or something like that? edit: yes, that's actually her name, even in Japanese lol) |
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| Honestly this first episode was pretty disappointing, especially with the lack of animation. However I'm looking forward to the story building up haha Also Yoh: Wears headphones Also Yoh: Headphones don't cover his ears so annoying lol |
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| Basically the same so far but with a faster pacing, I laughed at Anna's UTAU voice during the ending xD |
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