| A lot of people shit cloverworks for their job this season . Many said they've lost respect of this studio or whatever , but there are some who defend them , like in case Horimiya they decide to pick the final chapter as finale , which made anime onlies and a few manga fans mad , but people defend it by saying the source material isn't wow after chapter 50 . Same with TPN , which has been big bruh moment , some said that its because popularity decline , toddler holding gun , mangaka intervention . But anyone can explain in each perspective on what's the problem with this studio? P.S : Do you think Promised Neverland remake a realistic hope? |
TierraRobadaApr 4, 2021 7:12 PM
| Хайде, хайде, хайде, това е първата зона, брато, първа зона, първа зона, добре, добре, добре, това става тук горе, отива тук горе, само спокойно, само спокойно... Ха, отдясно е, навсякъде отдясно отдясно къде е дясното ти о да добре добре добре тихо мълчаливо не успях да се съсредоточа върху това ЕХ ТЪПАК КОГАТО СИ БАВНО БАВНО ... ой е путката на моето момиче прасе куче, аз Чувствам се добре, о, мамо, *шамар*, какво е това госпожице татко- |
| As a manga reader, I'm telling you: TPN manga is garbage, it went downhill after first arc. Even with proper adaptation, it would still bullshit. So stop hoping for a remake, it'll never happen, cuz its not worth it. |
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| I gave The Promised Neverland manga a perfect score. The problem lies with Cloverworks. |
| その目だれの目？ |
ReRakCakMag said: As a manga reader, I'm telling you: TPN manga is garbage, it went downhill after first arc. Even with proper adaptation, it would still bullshit. So stop hoping for a remake, it'll never happen, cuz its not worth it. Damn your signature looks so funny . I've watching it for minutes |
| Хайде, хайде, хайде, това е първата зона, брато, първа зона, първа зона, добре, добре, добре, това става тук горе, отива тук горе, само спокойно, само спокойно... Ха, отдясно е, навсякъде отдясно отдясно къде е дясното ти о да добре добре добре тихо мълчаливо не успях да се съсредоточа върху това ЕХ ТЪПАК КОГАТО СИ БАВНО БАВНО ... ой е путката на моето момиче прасе куче, аз Чувствам се добре, о, мамо, *шамар*, какво е това госпожице татко- |
| I like Cloverworks more than A-1 because they seem to select their series a bit better so far. All of them are highly appealing and still have legitimate qualities to them. With Horimiya, I think that for a 1 season series they did the characters justice, ans this is from the perspective of an anime only. They focused more on the main couple and still gave the other ones good enough screen time (again, for a 13 episode season). In the case of TPN, if it was Cloverworks', the author's, or the production comitee's fault is something I believe we can't know for sure, so I won't bash them directly for what happened. Wonder Egg Priority was absolutely amazing in basically every aspect, so as for the making of an original series, I think they proved their work. Also, no, let's not fill our heads with hope for a TNP reboot. The series name is going to die eventually, because not even the manga's later arcs were well recieved, unlike things like Hunter x Hunter and Shaman King, that eventually got the chance to be revived due to their impact and quality as a manga. There's more hope for a Soul Eater reboot in the next 10 years than TPN in my mind, and that's how it should be. TPN is dead, let's look forward to other Shounen Jump masterpieces in the future. |
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| Isn't Cloverworks literally just an animation studio? How do they decide what to do with the story lmao, blame directors and og creators. All Cloverworks does is draw. |
| I liked Horimiya. Did not enjoy TPN much. Haven't even started S2. Really disliked WEP. So.. eh? Whatever. |
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| Visuals are amazing but they are garbage at adapting |
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ReRakCakMag said: I second this.As a manga reader, I'm telling you: TPN manga is garbage, it went downhill after first arc. Even with proper adaptation, it would still bullshit. So stop hoping for a remake, it'll never happen, cuz its not worth it. The manga is just not that good. The S2 apart from the last 2 episodes was a solid 7/10. Then you have Horimiya, it was not a bad adaptation either, if anyone has ever read the manga, then they'll know that 90% of the manga is just fluff with no substance, there are very few plot points, and most of them are adapted faithfully by CloverWorks. And the anime was very enjoyable for most anime-only people, that's why it holds such a high rating on MAL. Even I rated it 8/10. Wonder Egg Priority was an original, and I thought it was really good, we still don't know how the story ends. There is obviously going to be one last plot twist, but nobody knows what it's going to be. But the story is not done yet for people to dunk on it. The studio was under heavy pressure, people don't understand how hard animation is lmao. TimMarcus said: I hope not.P.S : Do you think Promised Neverland remake a realistic hope? The series was generic as fuck after the first arc. I really hope it doesn't get a second season. It is just not that good. CloverWorks did an amazing job on the first season and then all of a sudden made a bad second season, obviously the author interjected somewhere. |
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| Nah CloverWorks did pretty well. Not the best, but definitely not the worst for a source material adaptation. For Horimiya, the pacing was a bit fast, yes. I think they could've done a better job of selecting which chapters out of the 100+ specifically to adapt that were more crucial and meaningful. Especially for fleshing out Hori and Miyamura's relationship more, I definitely did not expect them to adapt that certain rain scene at episode 7 already. But for the parts they *did* adapt, it was good. Most of the chapters after they got together were SoL/comedy fluff and added nothing to the story anyways. If they were never going to make a second season anyways, I think it was a good idea for CloverWorks to adapt the last manga chapters, since those were the only good ones within the last 50+ chapters. For Promised Neverland, the manga went way downhill after the Jailbreak arc anyways, so I couldn't care less for a remake. Yes, the Goldy Pond arc was decent, but nothing comparable to how good the first arc was and the rest were just horrible. My rating for the manga went from a 10/10 first arc, down to a 6/10 overall. Last arc I'd rate a 4/10 at most, and that's being generous. |
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Esmera said: Most of the chapters after they got together were SoL/comedy fluff and added nothing to the story anyways. Judevin said: then they'll know that 90% of the manga is just fluff with no substance, eh I'd disagree, I feel like people undervalue/underappreciate the purpose of those filler/SoL/fluff/whatever else chapters While yes, they don't specifically add anything to the actual plot per se, they do add a lot when it comes to the characters; character dynamics, relationships, personalities so on. And as a result, they end up making those actual plot points more impactful rather than by just presenting them on their own. In the anime for instance, based off the plot points alone Sengoku's character comes off quite calculated and cunning, but it's only through those filler SoL chapters that people get to learn that he is just as much of a derphead as the rest of the cast (especially those pool moments with Miyamura). Plus, those moments tend to help viewers themselves get more used to the various characters, their quirks and features as Doug DeMuro would say, which makes those emotional or nostalgic (like the ending) or whatever else scenes more impactful tbh That's not to say that every single chapter needs to be adapted lol, but doing an any% speedrun like that doesn't do the series justice imo A good example of one that does it right is the Kaguya-sama adaptation. From what I recall a lot of the stuff can easily pass off as just filler (more so in the 2nd season I believe) but it's precisely because of all those SC shenanigans that people come to love the cast and makes the emotional moments stronger |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| So what, they had 1 bad season? People are gonna make a prejudice assumption and think that Cloverworks is a really bad studio, because of their poor execution of 2 shows, one of which I still gave an 8, because I was happy to see it get animated. Sure they didn't quite get Promised Neverland, and Horimiya quite the way we would have liked it to be, but I don't think that it takes away from the studio as a whole. I still believe in Cloverworks, and I think they can bounce back |
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LeEggBread said: So what, they had 1 bad season? People are gonna make a prejudice assumption and think that Cloverworks is a really bad studio, because of their poor execution of 2 shows, one of which I still gave an 8, because I was happy to see it get animated. Sure they didn't quite get Promised Neverland, and Horimiya quite the way we would have liked it to be, but I don't think that it takes away from the studio as a whole. I still believe in Cloverworks, and I think they can bounce back I also heard their Persona 5 adaption was pretty mediocre. I haven't watched it but I haven't heard good things. I also am not a fan of Darling in the Franxx. I have no opinion on the studio, but I think it's more than just this season that's caused them to have a questionable reputation. |
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| I have no complaints with CloverWorks. Granted, I did not read the manga for either series. Neverland S2 is fine as a simple wrap up. I was definitely happy they didn't stretch out the end when Emma suddenly wants to stay behind to do some shit. I'm also happy they skipped the parts that weren't necessary to get to the human world. It would have been sheer tediousness had they done that since despite the potential to capitalize on telling a meaningful exploration of the idea of being more mindful of sentience in the foods we eat, political control via resources, etc, they didn't take it that opportunity. The next best thing is to at least end it quickly so we don't have 50+ episodes of tediousness akin to shounen shows. As for Horimiya, once the main couple got together, the show loses its focus and value. That isn't really CloverWork's fault necessarily unless the parts before that could have been stretched out more. If they had been faithful to the manga, then I don't cast any blame on them. |
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| Studios don't determine the amount of episodes you think people would get that by now. Cloverworks isn't to blame with pacing when they only had 12 episodes to basically adapt the rest of TPN. Blame the production committee for not wanting to do a full adaption and the author deciding to hack it down. Same case with Horiyama now that the manga is over there isn't much to promote. |
Short_Circut said: I'll disagree with that.Esmera said: Most of the chapters after they got together were SoL/comedy fluff and added nothing to the story anyways. Judevin said: then they'll know that 90% of the manga is just fluff with no substance, eh I'd disagree, I feel like people undervalue/underappreciate the purpose of those filler/SoL/fluff/whatever else chapters While yes, they don't specifically add anything to the actual plot per se, they do add a lot when it comes to the characters; character dynamics, relationships, personalities so on. And as a result, they end up making those actual plot points more impactful rather than by just presenting them on their own. In the anime for instance, based off the plot points alone Sengoku's character comes off quite calculated and cunning, but it's only through those filler SoL chapters that people get to learn that he is just as much of a derphead as the rest of the cast (especially those pool moments with Miyamura). Plus, those moments tend to help viewers themselves get more used to the various characters, their quirks and features as Doug DeMuro would say, which makes those emotional or nostalgic (like the ending) or whatever else scenes more impactful tbh That's not to say that every single chapter needs to be adapted lol, but doing an any% speedrun like that doesn't do the series justice imo A good example of one that does it right is the Kaguya-sama adaptation. From what I recall a lot of the stuff can easily pass off as just filler (more so in the 2nd season I believe) but it's precisely because of all those SC shenanigans that people come to love the cast and makes the emotional moments stronger Sengoku does not come off as cunning or calculated, they have a whole episode dedicated to his stupid shenanigans, with Remi. And most characters in the main cast were well developed, even characters like Yanagi and Iura. Even Iura's sister. The only character that I do believe did not get proper character development was the neighbor sister character that Miyamura encounters. She has a few chapters that were all skipped. But that is understandable. She is a side character, and not really part of the main cast even in the manga. That said, while I understand where you're coming from, I also think the adaptation was really well done, even if the pacing was a bit fast. Because if it was bad and TPN S2 was pretty bad, it would be rated low, which it isn't, since it is sitting at 8.36 rating on MAL, which I consider is pretty good. So I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this. |
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| The TPN S1 never worth 8 score with a annoying MC like Emma. |
| idk, if one thing tells me anything, then that is to not expect anything from Cloverwork's adaptations. And to be scared if they'd rush the shit outta Shadow House. Cause that series is one of my favorite ongoing series right now, so if they do a shit job to it, then yeah, there's no coming back. |
 I wasted all my time in rewatching to the point of my rewatch total is higher than my overall anime total lmao |
| dont know abt horimiya since i haven't read the manga but for tpn its definitely their fault lol. tpn manga isn't perfect or incredible either, it had its own problems and it got worse after goldy pond arc but it was still good id say. the adaptation wasn't even trying. a fucking slideshow. a literal slideshow. they showed the show's title in a 3 minute SLIDESHOW. they could've done it in a new season, hell a movie. ill take a movie. but no they just cramped it up in a slideshow lmao |
| well the masterminds behind the stages has made terrible decisions. at least the art work is fine. in the case of Horimiya, the egg has already been rotten from the very beginning. |
SgtBateManApr 5, 2021 12:24 AM
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| Rarely is it the studios fault alone. When it starts to always happen to the same studio I would lean more towards they are playing a bigger part in it. At the same time some studios end up falling out and have trouble getting better projects so the over all quality drops. I don't think that is an issue with cloverworks. Before TPN S2 happened I was warned by a couple people who have read the source it was not nearly as good as the first arc so I sorta expected it to be less enjoyable than the original. Horimiya likely wasn't their choice to condense so much so they also likely didn't get a ton of say in what chapters etc to do, I haven't watch it yet. Wonder Egg I have heard is quite good but haven't seen it yet. Blame goes primarily to the studio but they don't have as much control over much of what happens as I think people believe they do. |
| They took a bad source material and made it a bit worse. It's not Cloverworks to blame. |
TimMarcus said: I think A lot of people shit cloverworks for their job this season . Many said they've lost respect of this studio or whatever , but there are some who defend them , like in case Horimiya they decide to pick the final chapter as finale , which made anime onlies and a few manga fans mad , but people defend it by saying the source material isn't wow after chapter 50 . Same with TPN , which has been big bruh moment , some said that its because popularity decline , toddler holding gun , mangaka intervention . But anyone can explain in each perspective on what's the problem with this studio? P.S : Do you think Promised Neverland remake a realistic hope? It's obvious why they did that, they just didn't want to make a 4-5 seasons of TPN and the manga has already ended and no they won't make a remark |
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JUST_A_CRAB said: TimMarcus said: I think A lot of people shit cloverworks for their job this season . Many said they've lost respect of this studio or whatever , but there are some who defend them , like in case Horimiya they decide to pick the final chapter as finale , which made anime onlies and a few manga fans mad , but people defend it by saying the source material isn't wow after chapter 50 . Same with TPN , which has been big bruh moment , some said that its because popularity decline , toddler holding gun , mangaka intervention . But anyone can explain in each perspective on what's the problem with this studio? P.S : Do you think Promised Neverland remake a realistic hope? It's obvious why they did that, they just didn't want to make a 4-5 seasons of TPN and the manga has already ended and no they won't make a remark I think people should know this more , like what makes you make a good S1 but bad in s2 if it not because money |
| Хайде, хайде, хайде, това е първата зона, брато, първа зона, първа зона, добре, добре, добре, това става тук горе, отива тук горе, само спокойно, само спокойно... Ха, отдясно е, навсякъде отдясно отдясно къде е дясното ти о да добре добре добре тихо мълчаливо не успях да се съсредоточа върху това ЕХ ТЪПАК КОГАТО СИ БАВНО БАВНО ... ой е путката на моето момиче прасе куче, аз Чувствам се добре, о, мамо, *шамар*, какво е това госпожице татко- |
| They seem to just rush stuff apparently. Hopefully they do better later on. |
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| ITT: Everyone is a expert in anime production. There are so many things going on the background that's it's impossible to push the entire blame on Cloverworks. |
| I’m not trying to bash the manga but the problem with the promised never land is that the first arc is literally the best arc in the entire series it’s too good nothing that comes after passes it in my opinion TimMarcus said: A lot of people shit cloverworks for their job this season . Many said they've lost respect of this studio or whatever , but there are some who defend them , like in case Horimiya they decide to pick the final chapter as finale , which made anime onlies and a few manga fans mad , but people defend it by saying the source material isn't wow after chapter 50 . Same with TPN , which has been big bruh moment , some said that its because popularity decline , toddler holding gun , mangaka intervention . But anyone can explain in each perspective on what's the problem with this studio? P.S : Do you think Promised Neverland remake a realistic hope? |
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ren0080 said: And to be scared if they'd rush the shit outta Shadow House. Cause that series is one of my favorite ongoing series right now, so if they do a shit job to it, then yeah, there's no coming back. This is the very reason I will not watch Shadows House as it airs. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| Most recent things I've seen from Cloverworks is Horimiya, then leap to 2019 with Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata Fine and Fate/Grand Order: Zettai Majuu Sensen Babylonia. Apart from Horimiya, I feel their animation was amazing. Decided to drop TPN after season 1 for various reasons, but even more now since s2 was badly received. It seems they're having difficulties? Maybe it's the corona virus? |
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Lucifrost said: ren0080 said: And to be scared if they'd rush the shit outta Shadow House. Cause that series is one of my favorite ongoing series right now, so if they do a shit job to it, then yeah, there's no coming back. This is the very reason I will not watch Shadows House as it airs. For me, I'd still watch it. But just for the op/ed (if those are bangers) and the voice actors. Makes the experience of reading the manga a whole lot better if I'm imagining the VA talking while I'm reading their dialogues lol |
| I wasted all my time in rewatching to the point of my rewatch total is higher than my overall anime total lmao |
Weebsteria said: Short_Circut said: eh I'd disagree, I feel like people undervalue/underappreciate the purpose of those filler/SoL/fluff/whatever else chapters While yes, they don't specifically add anything to the actual plot per se, they do add a lot when it comes to the characters; character dynamics, relationships, personalities so on. And as a result, they end up making those actual plot points more impactful rather than by just presenting them on their own. In the anime for instance, based off the plot points alone Sengoku's character comes off quite calculated and cunning, but it's only through those filler SoL chapters that people get to learn that he is just as much of a derphead as the rest of the cast (especially those pool moments with Miyamura). Plus, those moments tend to help viewers themselves get more used to the various characters, their quirks and features as Doug DeMuro would say, which makes those emotional or nostalgic (like the ending) or whatever else scenes more impactful tbh That's not to say that every single chapter needs to be adapted lol, but doing an any% speedrun like that doesn't do the series justice imo A good example of one that does it right is the Kaguya-sama adaptation. From what I recall a lot of the stuff can easily pass off as just filler (more so in the 2nd season I believe) but it's precisely because of all those SC shenanigans that people come to love the cast and makes the emotional moments stronger The problem is, the SoL and comedy stuffs are just too much. On the earlier chapters, the romance and realtionship development is clear, but after 40/50 ish chapters its all gone. Kaguya sama on the other hand, pretty consistent with the comedy-romance composition, and have some interesting arcs that give some character development. I won't deny it was dissappointing not having any conclusion to the side plots in the latter half, what I do disagree with is the notion that said chapters had no overall impact on the story (which is what my OP is about). Whether it was too much it to each their own. as for Kaguya-sama, yes I think it's for sure an example of one that balances the filler with the actual plot really well (though I wouldn't really say it's all that consistent tbh). |
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TimMarcus said: A lot of people shit cloverworks for their job this season . Many said they've lost respect of this studio or whatever , but there are some who defend them , like in case Horimiya they decide to pick the final chapter as finale , which made anime onlies and a few manga fans mad , but people defend it by saying the source material isn't wow after chapter 50 . Same with TPN , which has been big bruh moment , some said that its because popularity decline , toddler holding gun , mangaka intervention . But anyone can explain in each perspective on what's the problem with this studio? P.S : Do you think Promised Neverland remake a realistic hope? Ok TPN as a manga is not something of a masterpiece but after reading it i can say if they stick to manga they would probably did a better job on not getting trashed this much. Like first arc was amazing and second arc of goldy ponds was good but S2 just decided to threw that arc away and went to last part with many changes so most hate is generated because of that, but still if they followed source material there would be less shit throwing wars. And WEP priority started very strong but kept on declining until it went total trash as the only strong part was it's animation. it's an anime original as far i know so i don't know what went wrong. |
Tats_Spill_TeaAug 22, 2021 10:17 AM
| 2025 might be the year where I will be happy. This year is not happy year. |
| CW has been on thin ice since the Persona 5 anime, they screwed up with Darling and trying to cram 100+ chapter of Promised Neverland into 11 episodes was never going to work. |
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| The thing with CW is that the studio has two really good animation producers and the rest range from okayish to below average. If the anime is being made by one of those two teams, then yes, chances of it being good will be high. Regarding Promised Neverland, S1 was made by the studio's best producer Yuuichi Fukushima, and S2 was from someone different. Moreover, the director is Mamoru Kambe, who previously directed anime like Elfen Lied, whose story also diverts from the source material. Now, there was also the thing about the mangaka being involved ruining the adaptation, but I have never looked into that so can't really talk about it. Now, obviously, there's exception and it's Wonder Egg Priority, and that turned out the way it did was because of the writer, Shinji Nojima, who has never written script for an anime plus the director was over ambitious which is fine if you are at a studio like KyoAni but not here. Overall, it really depends upon what your definition of a good studio is and the ratio of good/bad adaptations/productions the studio pumps out, whether you are going to like the building or not. Anyway, please watch Bocchi the Rock next season, it's got an extremely talented director plus Bisque Doll animation producer. Oh, and between the Aniplex studios, I do prefer CW over A1 but hey, that's just me. |
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