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Liddo-kun said: surprised to see episode where Teppei is trying to be good, looks like he got the donuts for Satoko instead of getting a watch for himself. just one more to go.. Have I got news for you... |
Yuyunarutoballz said: Wow. Someone just pointed out to me that when Teppei appeared in the earlier episodes when Satoko was coming to school just fine and without scars that he was actually being nice to her and trying to change to a better person. And Satoko took advantage of that kindness and told him that Keiichi was bullying her and THAT’S why Teppei attacked Keiichi in that one loop (only to be killed anyway) ouch...my heart Ngl, that makes me mad. I don't know if I'll ever forgive Satoko for that |
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ManWild said: Yuyunarutoballz said: Wow. Someone just pointed out to me that when Teppei appeared in the earlier episodes when Satoko was coming to school just fine and without scars that he was actually being nice to her and trying to change to a better person. And Satoko took advantage of that kindness and told him that Keiichi was bullying her and THAT’S why Teppei attacked Keiichi in that one loop (only to be killed anyway) ouch...my heart Ngl, that makes me mad. I don't know if I'll ever forgive Satoko for that Satoko could have gone one step further and tell him that Keichii had abused her. Which would make Teppei feel exceptionally bad. Justifying what we've seen. It was always the assumption that Satoko manipulated Teppei. With drugs or by taking advantage of his will to change. |
| That was the most alternative world i dont wanna see. i mean some old man development? Like really? And i though he will suicide when rejected by satoko in the last minutes. I got paranoid just watching this show. |
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Yuyunarutoballz said: Wow. Someone just pointed out to me that when Teppei appeared in the earlier episodes when Satoko was coming to school just fine and without scars that he was actually being nice to her and trying to change to a better person. And Satoko took advantage of that kindness and told him that Keiichi was bullying her and THAT’S why Teppei attacked Keiichi in that one loop (only to be killed anyway) ouch...my heart Ohh wow, i didnt see that coming. If satoko already do something in the first place.... No no, i dont wanna think that. |
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| @random_weirdo Wow. I didnt remember that part in Watanagashi. Obviously Featherine/Eua as a sort of writer herself would understand the message of the original (Rika defeating Fate) and make it happen in Gou as well. She doesnt directly manipulate Satoko but does withold key information regarding Rika to make Satoko dislike her. In the end she just wants something interesting to enjoy. Satoko and Rika both perpetually not understanding and killing each other is entertainment. Eua does seem to raise Satokos confidence a lot. Which will probably lead to Satoko making a serious Mistake sooner or later in regards to how she manages the loops. Eua states that she could Have Rika remember her deaths Easily since her Horn is not damaged like Hanyuus but straight afterwards doesnt Satoko say that she will take advantage of the fact that Rika doesnt remember i So I guess she doesnt give it, but if Fragement Hanyuu secretly went and gave that power to Rika on her own volition, Eua should still be aware of it. |
Lil-Bird said: This Teppei redemption arc (if this is exactly what it is) bothers me because nothing about him shows he is deserving of it. Takano at least had ambitions the audience could sympathize with even though she went off the path over time with her god complex. Teppei has always been shown to be an abusive sloven man who didn't care for his family (hence Rina being his sidepiece and that he doesn't carry his weight around the house) and manipulated and threatened Satoko into being his slave. He even considered using her for sexual purposes. And he was involved in badger games beating money out of unsuspecting men. He has no redeeming qualities as a result, which is why it's satisfying to see him getting his head beat in. Now murder is wrong no matter what as we've seen time and time again, but you couldn't say Teppei didn't deserve what was coming to him. Satoko has become such an unlikable brat for ignoring Rika's out-reached hand for help and then blaming her for why she has no friends, is at risk of being kicked out of St. Lucia, and for daring to leave Hinamizawa, her pettiness and selfishness even after learning about what her best friend went through is starting to balance out people's opinions on Teppei despite him being an established monster. What started out as a meme has become an uncomfortable reality in the series but it's not an easy pill to swallow. And frankly, I don't think anyone should force themselves to swallow that just because Ryukishi wrote the script or one's loyalty to a favorite franchise. It may be an arc, or it might be just this episode. Setting sympathy aside for a moment, the whole point of this Teppei episode from a plot perspective was to show the memory crossover phenomenon Eau was talking about earlier in the episode in action and to imply that Satoko exploited the hell out of it; just from that alone, this redemption plot makes plenty of sense in the narrative. As for sympathy, for me personally, I would sympathize with anyone who genuinely admits their faults and takes steps to right their wrongs, whether they actually accomplish that goal or not. I wouldn't forgive them, and I probably wouldn't stop hating them. But I'd be sympathetic to them; maybe that's just me. But Teppei in this episode to me was extremely sympathetic and scary; sympathetic because he's a violent narcissist who swallowed his pride and sociopathy off of a short period of self-reflection triggered by a few nightmares; scary because the difference between an empathetic proper-Uncle Teppei and the shit stain we're all familiar with is literally just that: a couple of bad dreams. Basically speaking, it's the flip side of the One Bad Day quote from Joker. As for Satoko, the meme is just that: a meme. Satoko isn't literally doing all this just because she can't get good grades. She's lost her pride and everything dear to her to a hostile, unfamiliar environment, and, most importantly, she was betrayed - from her perspective, mind you - by her closest friend who looks down on her when 5 years ago, they were the biggest RIVALS and the closest of friends. Ryukishi beat that aspect of their relationship pretty thoroughly throughout the first half imo. Even in everyday friendships, it feels less genuine when one side completely dominates the other, let alone the rival-friendship dynamic they have being ripped to shreds, let alone the feeling of inadequacy from that torn dynamic being validated by an (perceived) act of betrayal and disgusting glares from everyone around her. And to top it all off, she did the thing a ton of us wished she'd do before episode 21: open up to her friend and talk it out. Nothing happened. And when she tried to tear that friendship apart, Rika's "I want both" response made that avenue basically impossible. |
Rinkusan said: It may be an arc, or it might be just this episode. Setting sympathy aside for a moment, the whole point of this Teppei episode from a plot perspective was to show the memory crossover phenomenon Eau was talking about earlier in the episode in action and to imply that Satoko exploited the hell out of it; just from that alone, this redemption plot makes plenty of sense in the narrative. Unless Satoko is purposefully fucking with Teppei just because she can, how about Irie? Couldn't she have shown it off with him to make him have a freak-out given he's a doctor, and one who's crucial to Hinamizawa Syndrome? That would have so much more "oomph" than snippets of Teppei dying alone in his apartment. As for sympathy, for me personally, I would sympathize with anyone who genuinely admits their faults and takes steps to right their wrongs, whether they actually accomplish that goal or not. I wouldn't forgive them, and I probably wouldn't stop hating them. But I'd be sympathetic to them; maybe that's just me. But Teppei in this episode to me was extremely sympathetic and scary; sympathetic because he's a violent narcissist who swallowed his pride and sociopathy off of a short period of self-reflection triggered by a few nightmares; scary because the difference between an empathetic proper-Uncle Teppei and the shit stain we're all familiar with is literally just that: a couple of bad dreams. Basically speaking, it's the flip side of the One Bad Day quote from Joker. Teppei coming to a realization he's going to die alone isn't enough to get him to have a redemption arc when he didn't even look like he was actually sorry for abandoning Satoko. He didn't even think about her until he was in the pachinko parlor for a while and some guy had his daughter with him who clearly loves her papa. Why should he get sentimental over a father and his daughter when he's never bothered to spend time with his niece and nephew to begin with? He's got a long way to go to prove he could change his life around and atone for what he did. While it's great that Satoko's having a hard time buying it because of her trauma, her behavior the past few episodes is suspicious and I think she's just using him as a guinea pig to test her new powers similar to how Maria fucked around with Rosa when she became a witch in attempt to get rid of the "bad" Rosa. I don't think he doesn't deserve it, mind you, I have no sympathy for him and don't mind seeing Satoko taking her anger out on him, but at the same time, the cruelty of it is much too mean-spirited for the Higurashi-verse and screws over the "murder is wrong, period, and here's the karma to prove it" message of Higurashi just for being heavily hinted at this may be turning into a Lambdadelta origin story (which still makes no sense). |
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| Yo what the fuck, I can't believe an episode focused on Teppei would actually be such a great episode. I'll never forgive the things that he has done and you can never erase them, but I can always respect a man that tries to change himself and atone for the wrongs he has done. That was nice to see, a bit weird at first because of our image of Teppei, but it was really well done. Some of the things that happened in Tataridamashi is starting to make sense, maybe Satoko used Teppei's newfound love for her into beating Keiichi's ass lmao. Imma need confirmation from the producers or some shit that there will really be more episodes, because there's no way they can conclude this in one more episode lmao, so I guess it's as good as confirmed. Really looking forward to the next episode. |
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random_weirdo said: If all of this doesnt turn out to be just some coincidence I may be able to like Gou a bit more.I also agree that Euatherine seems to be buttering Satoko up a lot. Compare this to Hanyuu and Rika, where Hanyuu was not afraid to call out Rika on her mistakes and contradict her. She also never made things easy for Rika by helping her with her powers more than what was necessary to loop. Her advice was overly cautious, meaning Rika wouldn't do as much to change her fate. On the other hand, Featherine is always celebrating Satoko, letting her make all the decisions and always reminding her of how entertaining she is. This seems a breeding ground for Satoko's overconfidence, making her more prone to mistakes. Too much caution is a bad thing, but Satoko will meet the opposite problem: too much acting irresponsibly and carelessly will make her make mistakes and cause her downfall. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. |
| I liked this episode, shows more character to Teppei than just being a mean uncle. He's a human with love, hate and flaws just like everyone else. The second half of Gou is turning out to be really frickin good. |
| For everyone who is claiming that this will continue until episode 30 and over. There's been a change. The "Leaked" schedules have now changed Higurashi's airing slot with "UNDECIDED" So we'll see what's going to happen: They pulled a major troll on us Someone accidentally leaked the continuation It's been delayed There is a new season/cour but it's not even supposed to be airing right after. Take your pick. Chargecoulomb said: GOU's narrative, direction and points have been so confusing/pointless/whatever that I actually forgot about that.This is really damn confusing doesn't Eua say that Satoko has to kill Rika before herself to stay in the same Fragment. I take it that her magic super paper finger snaps mean a death trap that's gonna fall on her head and kill her, but if she's gonna do that before killing Rika she's gonna end up in a different world - where the possibilities start to change and the cards will be different. Is Gou contradicting its own Logic? Couldn't they just have made scene Satoko pulling the gun, shooting Rika and then herself in rinse and repeat instead? But no, instead let's continue going snippety-snap. It's symbolic after all. |
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| About the leaks who knows? Any update on that? Well I guess we can be certain next week when 24 comes out. Also Satoko seems to have a limit to how much she can loop now. Shes burning through loops left and right. The continued collection of memories will probably drive the main cast insane if it continues on. Imagine that being Featherines goal. Shes egging Satoko on way too much anyways. On the card scene they focused on Keichiis persepective right? If Satoko only Relied on loops she would need at least a few dozen loops to win probably. As someone who seems to be more sensitive to memories than the others he must have a insanely strong feeling of Deja Vu. |
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Lil-Bird said: Unless Satoko is purposefully fucking with Teppei just because she can, how about Irie? Couldn't she have shown it off with him to make him have a freak-out given he's a doctor, and one who's crucial to Hinamizawa Syndrome? That would have so much more "oomph" than snippets of Teppei dying alone in his apartment. Teppei coming to a realization he's going to die alone isn't enough to get him to have a redemption arc when he didn't even look like he was actually sorry for abandoning Satoko. He didn't even think about her until he was in the pachinko parlor for a while and some guy had his daughter with him who clearly loves her papa. Why should he get sentimental over a father and his daughter when he's never bothered to spend time with his niece and nephew to begin with? He's got a long way to go to prove he could change his life around and atone for what he did. While it's great that Satoko's having a hard time buying it because of her trauma, her behavior the past few episodes is suspicious and I think she's just using him as a guinea pig to test her new powers similar to how Maria fucked around with Rosa when she became a witch in attempt to get rid of the "bad" Rosa. I don't think he doesn't deserve it, mind you, I have no sympathy for him and don't mind seeing Satoko taking her anger out on him, but at the same time, the cruelty of it is much too mean-spirited for the Higurashi-verse and screws over the "murder is wrong, period, and here's the karma to prove it" message of Higurashi just for being heavily hinted at this may be turning into a Lambdadelta origin story (which still makes no sense). I see zero reason she'd want to use this power on someone who always treated her well. I don't see how his role in understanding Hinamizawa Syndrome has anything to do with him being a good target let alone a good target from Satoko's perspective. I agree; Teppei superficially coming to that realization isn't enough to have a redemption arc. But Teppei learning empathy and genuinely understanding how much he's hurt others is a wonderful reason to start the road towards some level of redemption. I think you're conflating redemption with complete forgiveness and a clean slate, and considering Teppei's tsundere-esque tough-guy act throughout the episode and his vow after Satoko's rejection, I'm very confident that "not dying alone" isn't even on his priority list. Teppei does have a long way to go; that's what character redemption arcs are for. |
ibukimiu said: A very unpopular opinion that i hope you’ll respect... I didn’t enjoy this episode. I don’t like the fact that we are almost forced to feel bad for Teppei. Teppei is a disgusting person, and i don’t understand why the fandom are sympathetic towards him? Even though he got a redemption arc, we can’t let his past actions slip away. I hope that Satako is messing with him. I really do. I would honestly rather focus on the plot linked with Rika, that pay attention to Teppei. I was really in love with that plot and I hope we get back to it soon. Although I’m thankful for extra episodes, i hope that they aren’t full of filler, like this one arguably was. Redemption =/= a clean slate and forgetting the past. If anything, it's the complete opposite. |
Chargecoulomb said: Witch of Words KOne(bad attempt at giving him a witch's name). Do it Ryuukishi.About the leaks who knows? Any update on that? Well I guess we can be certain next week when 24 comes out. Also Satoko seems to have a limit to how much she can loop now. Shes burning through loops left and right. The continued collection of memories will probably drive the main cast insane if it continues on. Imagine that being Featherines goal. Shes egging Satoko on way too much anyways. On the card scene they focused on Keichiis persepective right? If Satoko only Relied on loops she would need at least a few dozen loops to win probably. As someone who seems to be more sensitive to memories than the others he must have a insanely strong feeling of Deja Vu. Rinkusan said: Lil-Bird said: Unless Satoko is purposefully fucking with Teppei just because she can, how about Irie? Couldn't she have shown it off with him to make him have a freak-out given he's a doctor, and one who's crucial to Hinamizawa Syndrome? That would have so much more "oomph" than snippets of Teppei dying alone in his apartment. Teppei coming to a realization he's going to die alone isn't enough to get him to have a redemption arc when he didn't even look like he was actually sorry for abandoning Satoko. He didn't even think about her until he was in the pachinko parlor for a while and some guy had his daughter with him who clearly loves her papa. Why should he get sentimental over a father and his daughter when he's never bothered to spend time with his niece and nephew to begin with? He's got a long way to go to prove he could change his life around and atone for what he did. While it's great that Satoko's having a hard time buying it because of her trauma, her behavior the past few episodes is suspicious and I think she's just using him as a guinea pig to test her new powers similar to how Maria fucked around with Rosa when she became a witch in attempt to get rid of the "bad" Rosa. I don't think he doesn't deserve it, mind you, I have no sympathy for him and don't mind seeing Satoko taking her anger out on him, but at the same time, the cruelty of it is much too mean-spirited for the Higurashi-verse and screws over the "murder is wrong, period, and here's the karma to prove it" message of Higurashi just for being heavily hinted at this may be turning into a Lambdadelta origin story (which still makes no sense). I see zero reason she'd want to use this power on someone who always treated her well. I don't see how his role in understanding Hinamizawa Syndrome has anything to do with him being a good target let alone a good target from Satoko's perspective. I agree; Teppei superficially coming to that realization isn't enough to have a redemption arc. But Teppei learning empathy and genuinely understanding how much he's hurt others is a wonderful reason to start the road towards some level of redemption. I think you're conflating redemption with complete forgiveness and a clean slate, and considering Teppei's tsundere-esque tough-guy act throughout the episode and his vow after Satoko's rejection, I'm very confident that "not dying alone" isn't even on his priority list. Teppei does have a long way to go; that's what character redemption arcs are for. Everyone was treating her well. That didnt stop her. |
I mean, I don't think everyone was treating her well, Teppei and now Rika being 2 primary examples, but all of that aside, I think you might be misinterpreting my comment. By "power", I meant the newly discovered ability to affect non-loopers through persisting memories across worlds, NOT the ability to live in loops. |
Rinkusan said: I mean, I don't think everyone was treating her well, Teppei and now Rika being 2 primary examples, but all of that aside, I think you might be misinterpreting my comment. By "power", I meant the newly discovered ability to affect non-loopers through persisting memories across worlds, NOT the ability to live in loops. Yes of course Teppei, her aunt and from her pov Rika, didnt treat her well. But se was really fucked everyone else. Keichi, Mion,Rena, Shion all those that protested for her. I dont see why Irie would be any exception especially if she knows his involvement. If Rika "deserves" he fate for being a liar then so does Irie. |
| To see Teppei become a better person and uncle... my heart feels whole. This felt like a breath of fresh air. |
Hulio said: For everyone who is claiming that this will continue until episode 30 and over. There's been a change. The "Leaked" schedules have now changed Higurashi's airing slot with "UNDECIDED" So we'll see what's going to happen: They pulled a major troll on us Someone accidentally leaked the continuation It's been delayed There is a new season/cour but it's not even supposed to be airing right after. Take your pick.  Trolling the audience =/= smart storytelling. |
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Lil-Bird said: Hulio said: For everyone who is claiming that this will continue until episode 30 and over. There's been a change. The "Leaked" schedules have now changed Higurashi's airing slot with "UNDECIDED" So we'll see what's going to happen: They pulled a major troll on us Someone accidentally leaked the continuation It's been delayed There is a new season/cour but it's not even supposed to be airing right after. Take your pick. Trolling the audience =/= smart storytelling. Why must we suffer so much over the airing schedule? |
| With the memory collection thing will it be Ironic if the reasom for the damashi arcs is people remembering stuff and thay raising paranoia and making them go L5. Rena - Sees stuff and considers it a vison from Oyashirosama. Mion - Sees a possible future where Keichii gets killed in Tokyo (or something along those lines) And so on.... Im not betting on it, but if theu try to seriously redeem Satoko I could see Gou doing this. Since it doesnt really contradict anything. |
ssjokg said: Yes of course Teppei, her aunt and from her pov Rika, didnt treat her well. But se was really fucked everyone else. Keichi, Mion,Rena, Shion all those that protested for her. I dont see why Irie would be any exception especially if she knows his involvement. If Rika "deserves" he fate for being a liar then so does Irie. I don't quite understand your point here; I'm honestly not sure if you agree with my point that she has zero reason to use her memory manipulation ability on Irie or not, and I don't exactly understand the relevance of Keiichi and others. Irie is not an exception. Teppei and Rika are the exceptions i.e. they are the ones who've caused trauma for Satoko and the ones Satoko most want to change. |
Chargecoulomb said: That may "redeem" her for Onidamshi and Watadamashi. With the memory collection thing will it be Ironic if the reasom for the damashi arcs is people remembering stuff and thay raising paranoia and making them go L5. Rena - Sees stuff and considers it a vison from Oyashirosama. Mion - Sees a possible future where Keichii gets killed in Tokyo (or something along those lines) And so on.... Im not betting on it, but if theu try to seriously redeem Satoko I could see Gou doing this. Since it doesnt really contradict anything. No recollection was at fault in Tataridamashi tho, especially at the end. |
Rinkusan said: ssjokg said: Yes of course Teppei, her aunt and from her pov Rika, didnt treat her well. But se was really fucked everyone else. Keichi, Mion,Rena, Shion all those that protested for her. I dont see why Irie would be any exception especially if she knows his involvement. If Rika "deserves" he fate for being a liar then so does Irie. I don't quite understand your point here; I'm honestly not sure if you agree with my point that she has zero reason to use her memory manipulation ability on Irie or not, and I don't exactly understand the relevance of Keiichi and others. Irie is not an exception. Teppei and Rika are the exceptions i.e. they are the ones who've caused trauma for Satoko and the ones Satoko most want to change. She is willing to kill and let them die so I dont see how fucking with them by using their recollections is any different. The goal is to break Rika. It doesnt matter how she gets there. |
| good episode as always I hope this getting another season |
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ssjokg said: She is willing to kill and let them die so I dont see how fucking with them by using their recollections is any different. The goal is to break Rika. It doesnt matter how she gets there. She is willing to let them die as pawns, certainly; she's not trying to murder and torment them. I agree; the goal is to break Rika and change her mind i.e. the goal is NOT to change Irie, Keiichi, Rena, etc. It makes sense for her to want to change her two biggest sources of trauma. It doesn't make sense for her to want to change Irie, and going back to the original comment, it's why I think making Irie a memory-manipulation target makes no sense LET ALONE Irie over Teppei. |
Rinkusan said: ssjokg said: She is willing to kill and let them die so I dont see how fucking with them by using their recollections is any different. The goal is to break Rika. It doesnt matter how she gets there. She is willing to let them die as pawns, certainly; she's not trying to murder and torment them. I agree; the goal is to break Rika and change her mind i.e. the goal is NOT to change Irie, Keiichi, Rena, etc. It makes sense for her to want to change her two biggest sources of trauma. It doesn't make sense for her to want to change Irie, and going back to the original comment, it's why I think making Irie a memory-manipulation target makes no sense LET ALONE Irie over Teppei. I am not talking about change. I am talking about using them, just like Teppei. And it doesnt end well for them. |
ssjokg said: I am not talking about change. I am talking about using them, just like Teppei. And it doesnt end well for them. She absolutely has been using them. I am talking about change because that's what the power I'm referring to IS. Basically, to bring it back to your comment, Satoko does NOT have a motive to "fuck with them by using their recollections" i.e. change them; quite the opposite if anything. She DOES have a motive to "fuck with" Rika and Teppei's memories though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you're trying to get at is you think Satoko's clinically psychopathic to the point where she doesn't value friendships or human emotion and would put Keiichi and others through direct torture at her hands to manipulate their memories for future use in her loop battle with Rika. It's the complete opposite; she values them and Rika to an overly obsessive and possessive fault. From Satoko's perspective, they haven't abused her, but Rika and Teppei have. That's all I'm saying. |
| bruh nice guy Teppei made me nervous af |
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Rinkusan said: ssjokg said: I am not talking about change. I am talking about using them, just like Teppei. And it doesnt end well for them. She absolutely has been using them. I am talking about change because that's what the power I'm referring to IS. Basically, to bring it back to your comment, Satoko does NOT have a motive to "fuck with them by using their recollections" i.e. change them; quite the opposite if anything. She DOES have a motive to "fuck with" Rika and Teppei's memories though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you're trying to get at is you think Satoko's clinically psychopathic to the point where she doesn't value friendships or human emotion and would put Keiichi and others through direct torture at her hands to manipulate their memories for future use in her loop battle with Rika. It's the complete opposite; she values them and Rika to an overly obsessive and possessive fault. From Satoko's perspective, they haven't abused her, but Rika and Teppei have. That's all I'm saying. Yeah I see all that guilt oozing from deep within her. And seriously if you dont think Satoko is clinically psychopathic at this point I am not sure what you have been watching. She doesnt care about the lives of others OR her own. We just saw her kill herself a bunch of times just to win a stupid card game. She bullied Rika and killed herself when that didnt do shit. She manipulated everyone's feelings just to fuck with Rika. This isnt just an abused brat that can finally get some revenge. |
| Teppei here reminds me of my dad. This episode also reminds me that a change of heart takes time and giving into the impulsivity of other's decisions can be detrimental to your wellbeing. |
| Lie until what you want to be true becomes truth. Lie until you can't remember what's a lie and what isn't. Lie until you aren't lying anymore! Figures  |
| With Keichi remembering his murders in a past world, Satoko realized her friends retain some memories. She named Eua, the goddess who gave her the looping ability. She learns that the people closest to her are most susceptible to remembering, and so her uncle remembers being murdered time after time in previous worlds. Afterward, he realizes his life is shit and attempts to change. Returning to Hinamizawa, attempting to clean-up, and reconcile with Satako was his attempt to get better. It was quite a shock for Satoko when he attempted to save her from the drifters, but ended up getting his ass kicked. Understandably, Satoko was too traumatized by his past abuse to accept his request to have occasional visits. This was one of the better episodes in the arc. I look forward to seeing some kind of redemption, then perhaps Satoko can let go of Rika and have a family of her own. |
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| Teppei becoming a better person and trying to have some actual wholesome family time with Satoko is something that sounds quite stupid but to my amazement they actually handled it pretty nicely. In other circumstances I'd say that it's complete bs that someone as rotten as him would have any hopes of becoming a decent human being but his motive of having visions of living a shitty life just to die alone is actually believable. I can imagine that even the lowest sort of people would feel tortured by having such an outcome in front of their eyes constantly and do anything to change it. What I didn't like about the episode though is how it messes with everything we know about looping. How it works and how it affects both the looper and the people close to the looper are changed drastically just to have a convenient plot device. First we got the card game. Contrary to what a lot of people try to argue here I feel like it actually would make more sense for Satoko to actually have the ability to repeat a scene by snapping her fingers. Because the "usual" ability to kill yourself, get set back a few days/month/whatever and then wait to get back to a certain moment to change it is just far too absurd even considering someone who is on the best way to turn into a witch. Just think about it - Even if it's just this card game that's getting repeated it would take dozens of tries to ace the game like she did. It doesn't look like she is doing it the smart way and play a bunch of games to the end just to get the cards revealed and memorize them. - If it's not just the card game and she gets set back a few weeks or even just a few days she'd have to live trough completely pointless days just to try and get another pair right - What really makes this just impossible to accomplish is that if she actually doesn't only repeat the card game but gets looped back to a different point in time then it's basically impossible for her to ace this thing. It wouldn't be able to relive a loop 100% accurately and even the smalles of changes would change the order of the cards. So she'd be completely unable to memorize the positions and each loop would start with a game that's competely new to her. - Also the different worlds change even if Satoko doesn't do aynthing differently So are you going to tell me, that a little girl who only recently got the ability to loop and who's only goal is to keep her best friend from leaving her hometown is willing to go through the pain and suffering of killing herself and reliving meaningless days over and over again for hundreds and thousends of times just in order to proof to a meaningless friend that she could ace a card memory game? That's realistic behavior and in character for you? She went from "I'll try to stop Rika a few times." to "I'll watch her suffer a hundred years to be able to torture her into stopping." to "I'm going to kill myself a few hundred times and waste endless time to ace a pointless card game." in like three episodes. Not only does her development into an absolute maniac (and a witch) happen far too fast and seemingly without reason but they also ridicule Rika's hundred years of looping. It makes light of the time she was trapped inside of the loops and about her efforts to break out of her cage. The bratty Satoko just treats loops like a game and the pain of dying or the guilt of murdering doesn't phase her at all. The huge amount of wasted time doesn't concern her either. Whereas Rika felt like being stuck in a child's body and being chained to a small village is torture by itself Satoko doesn't have any problems with that. She doesn't even use each loop to get closer to her goal of keeping Rika in Hinamizawa but messes arround instead. So who cares about hundred years of looping, Satoko can easily loop thousands of times without giving a shit. Other than that it also makes light of the "miracles" of Keiichi, Rena and Shion remembering other fragments. Now it's just something that will just happen to anyone who is related to you and it might even comletely change their character in a convenient way. Sadly Rika never had the luck of Takano turning into a housewife. So for the sake of not making light of OG Higurashi's events I prefer to interpret it as Satoko having actual control over time due to Featherin's far stronger influence on these worlds compared to Hanyu. If she doesn't have to kill herself to loop, if she is free to decide where to loop and if she doesn't actually change worlds but simply timetravels then her behavior would actually make sense. A time traveler doesn't have to give a shit about the people arround him because their time will turn back as well as if nothing happened. Also that way we would still have the same Rika every time and Satoko wouldn't have to waste too much time and suffer through her own death every time. Though that doesn't seem to be the case. |
EragurMar 12, 2021 1:22 PM
We'll be together for all eternity.  |
| The uncle's story was fine in a vacuum but it just means even less time is spent trying to actually make sense of this jumbled mess of a show. Cannot wait for next week when this finally ends. |
ssjokg said: Yeah I see all that guilt oozing from deep within her. And seriously if you dont think Satoko is clinically psychopathic at this point I am not sure what you have been watching. She doesnt care about the lives of others OR her own. We just saw her kill herself a bunch of times just to win a stupid card game. She bullied Rika and killed herself when that didnt do shit. She manipulated everyone's feelings just to fuck with Rika. This isnt just an abused brat that can finally get some revenge. I don't see what guilt has anything to do with how much she values her friendship with the others. To Satoko, these are just temporary worlds with temporary existences of her friends, the only permanent exceptions being the two people she's targeted so far. I agree, and I never even remotely argued that this is just an abused brat on a revenge quest; I think she's almost the complete opposite. She's a mentally unstable and prideful little girl who's overly attached and desperately wants everything back to the way it once was, and putting bystanding friends like Irie, Keiichi, or others who never "betrayed" her through the same memory-scarring treatment just doesn't make sense to me because they haven't changed in a way she didn't like. |
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