Dragon Ball Super Episode 94 Discussion

Jun 12, 2017 4:08 AM

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I always knew my local transltion of name freeza is the correct one
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Jun 12, 2017 9:16 AM

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Aiko_Hiroshi said:

IcyGlacier said:

That doesn't mean that ssjb didn't use lots of stamina, he meant another thing which lets him uses blue with kaioken.

In the DBS manga chapter 22 it's explained that SSB Uses alot of energy/Stamina and they can't use it all the time. And it was also explained that super Saiyan God (red) doesn't use energy at all but it's weaker in power than ssjb.
You should read ep 22 of the manga it's actually really good to to read.

The manga and anime aren't part of the same canon and the forms work differently. Super Saiyan Blue in the anime doesn't consume hardly any energy and is brought about by perfect Ki control. The Super Saiyan Blue form in the manga is heavily nerfed so that the original Super Saiyan God form still has a use. Hell Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken doesn't even exist in the manga, so your argument doesn't have much merit.

and here you casually saved me from wasting my time. Thank you sir!

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Jun 12, 2017 9:59 AM

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Why do you guys continue to spell Frieza & Freezer? It's most probably a dub or sub oversight that got stuck in pop culture similar to M.Bison (Vega)

It's "FREEZA"

-The anime said so.

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They should really do their whining at manga forums.

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Jun 12, 2017 1:39 PM

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Comander-07 said:

Aiko_Hiroshi said:

The manga and anime aren't part of the same canon and the forms work differently. Super Saiyan Blue in the anime doesn't consume hardly any energy and is brought about by perfect Ki control. The Super Saiyan Blue form in the manga is heavily nerfed so that the original Super Saiyan God form still has a use. Hell Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken doesn't even exist in the manga, so your argument doesn't have much merit.

and here you casually saved me from wasting my time. Thank you sir!

No problem! The manga is still worth checking out since it does interesting things with the setting but you can't include it in the same canon as the anime, they're completely different stories at this point.

Jun 13, 2017 10:25 AM

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I have to say that the interactions between Goku and Frieza are really good made. Frieza is truly his archenemy.

3/5

Transformation scene was cool.

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Jun 13, 2017 12:52 PM

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Comander-07 said:

the blue form does not drain energy at all, that is the reason he can use kaioken.

Aiko_Hiroshi said:

The manga and anime aren't part of the same canon and the forms work differently. Super Saiyan Blue in the anime doesn't consume hardly any energy

That's not what Goku said in the anime, episode 38, that's just your head-canon, guys.

From a writer's perspective, why mentioned it?

If that info was gonna be as different as the manga as other stuff are different, there was no need to make Goku talk about the SSB weakness.

But, that's the thing, it's not that Toei was gonna change that rule in the anime, is just that they're incompetent.

It was mentioned in both versions, manga & anime, but the difference was that Toyotaro respected the rule, he is still using that info for the Future Trunks arc.

While on the other hand, Toei doesn't give a (d)uck, not only they put Goku talking about how SSB uses a lot of stamina to completely ignore it in the next episode, they add Kaio-Ken later on, on top of it, thus creating a contradiction avoided in the manga.

Long live Toyotaro, the guy who tries to make sense out of DBS, that's a great challenge.

SSJ4LifeJun 13, 2017 12:55 PM

Jun 13, 2017 2:17 PM

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SSJ4Life said:

Comander-07 said:

the blue form does not drain energy at all, that is the reason he can use kaioken.

Aiko_Hiroshi said:

The manga and anime aren't part of the same canon and the forms work differently. Super Saiyan Blue in the anime doesn't consume hardly any energy

That's not what Goku said in the anime, episode 38, that's just your head-canon, guys.

From a writer's perspective, why mentioned it?

If that info was gonna be as different as the manga as other stuff are different, there was no need to make Goku talk about the SSB weakness.

But, that's the thing, it's not that Toei was gonna change that rule in the anime, is just that they're incompetent.

It was mentioned in both versions, manga & anime, but the difference was that Toyotaro respected the rule, he is still using that info for the Future Trunks arc.

While on the other hand, Toei doesn't give a (d)uck, not only they put Goku talking about how SSB uses a lot of stamina to completely ignore it in the next episode, they add Kaio-Ken later on, on top of it, thus creating a contradiction avoided in the manga.

Long live Toyotaro, the guy who tries to make sense out of DBS, that's a great challenge.

Its not that simple. Remember in original Z when they reached "full" SSJ? That it would not drain any stamina anymore? Why do you think they dont walk around as SSJ all the time afterwards? Im pretty sure because it still does.

The explanation that they gained Blue by training with the gods (or rather the angel) makes sense to me. So red would be the stronger version, but with the ritual its to unflexible and also goku and vegeta want to become strong without help.
So it makes sense that blue is weaker.
He indeed never said "not drain energy" afaik. But he said he has total control over his ki with imo is very close.

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It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
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Jun 13, 2017 9:35 PM

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Comander-07 said:

So red would be the stronger version

Wrong.

Akira writes a "skeleton" script, one copy each, for Toei (anime) for Toyotaro (manga).

Each, are allowed to make changes (which would mean this series is no as Akira's as many claim) but only Toyotaro goes directly to Akira before each chapter is released so he has the original author's blessings.

That's why the manga has avoided the many (d)uck ups the anime has done.

Which I can easily name a few, if you're interested.

In the manga it's even more clear that SSB is superior to SSG, and it passed through Akira's check up, so, it's official.

Comander-07 said:

He indeed never said "not drain energy" afaik. But he said he has total control over his ki with imo is very close.

Specifically, he said that SSB burns A LOT of stamina.

Episode 38, look it up if you don't believe me.

For the anime to make sense, the events should've been consistent with this info, but it's quite the contrary, SSB stamina not having visible weakness goes directly against this, and that's not even mentioning the Kaio-Ken on SSB.

Toei just forgot about it because they don't have any passion for the series, they're just thinking about the money.

It's why the series will still produce only inconsistencies, the most recent being the SS of universe 6.

Jun 14, 2017 12:58 PM

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SSJ4Life said:

Comander-07 said:

So red would be the stronger version

Wrong.

Akira writes a "skeleton" script, one copy each, for Toei (anime) for Toyotaro (manga).

Each, are allowed to make changes (which would mean this series is no as Akira's as many claim) but only Toyotaro goes directly to Akira before each chapter is released so he has the original author's blessings.

That's why the manga has avoided the many (d)uck ups the anime has done.

Which I can easily name a few, if you're interested.

In the manga it's even more clear that SSB is superior to SSG, and it passed through Akira's check up, so, it's official.

Comander-07 said:

He indeed never said "not drain energy" afaik. But he said he has total control over his ki with imo is very close.

Specifically, he said that SSB burns A LOT of stamina.

Episode 38, look it up if you don't believe me.

For the anime to make sense, the events should've been consistent with this info, but it's quite the contrary, SSB stamina not having visible weakness goes directly against this, and that's not even mentioning the Kaio-Ken on SSB.

Toei just forgot about it because they don't have any passion for the series, they're just thinking about the money.

It's why the series will still produce only inconsistencies, the most recent being the SS of universe 6.

that last part is not inconsistency its just garbage. But I still like it more (or rather hate it less) then GT ._.
I skimmed over Ep 38 but I believe you mean 39, there he uses Kaioken and old supreme kai tells us the tale of the unbreakable swo.. no the "stamina drain" of a SS. My point is they are never perfectly right.
Goku said SSJB has proper Ki control. My take is all SSJ forms put stress on your body and to some extend use up your energy. Kaioken just puts even more stress on your body so he never used it as a SS. But here is the difference. Blue is a god form. It does not. The end of the story. I dont even care what the difference in the manga is. This here is about the anime. The manga has a different section.
I do think the explanation how they got blue is fine. Red needs a ritual which they dont want/can use. So they trained with whis. This anime has a lot of flaws, a lot. But kaioken + blue is fine

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Jun 15, 2017 8:38 AM

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"My bad.. My hand slipped too!"
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Jun 15, 2017 11:55 PM

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Bless this episode. I needed this.
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Jun 16, 2017 4:44 PM

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Comander-07 said:

I skimmed over Ep 38 but I believe you mean 39

Nope.

Episode 38, trust me I've used this episode to debunk said matters in different threads already.

Hit: "You forgot to transform."

Goku: "Oh, that drains my stamina real bad, so I'll use it later."

This scene goes exactly the same in anime as in the manga, meaning this scene comes directly from Akira Toriyama himself.

Comander-07 said:

This here is about the anime. The manga has a different section.

I'm fully aware.

I only mentioned the manga because that part of the story is on both versions, but only the manga got it right.

Jun 17, 2017 6:27 AM

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SSJ4Life said:

Comander-07 said:

I skimmed over Ep 38 but I believe you mean 39

Nope.

Episode 38, trust me I've used this episode to debunk said matters in different threads already.

Hit: "You forgot to transform."

Goku: "Oh, that drains my stamina real bad, so I'll use it later."

This scene goes exactly the same in anime as in the manga, meaning this scene comes directly from Akira Toriyama himself.

Comander-07 said:

This here is about the anime. The manga has a different section.

I'm fully aware.

I only mentioned the manga because that part of the story is on both versions, but only the manga got it right.

How can something be the right version when its 2 different things. Thats like saying SSJ4 is stronger then blue because GT comes later in time. Its bullshit.
Just because he said some random garbage does not mean its 100% true. Go watch ep 39. Because that is the important thing when we talk about the anime.
Remember when they thought SSJ1 was the limit?
Remember when goku said something about price money? Or other things? It was a lie.
To end my contribution to this discussion
Stamina =/= Ki (Energy)
The end.

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It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
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Jun 17, 2017 7:19 AM

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elior1 said:

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I really liked the17/krillin,17/18 ,17/piccolo interactions especially android 18's towards krillin as they stood in front of 17. So many great lines from her.

" You don't have to force a conversation"
" no,her name is Marron get it wrong again and I'll kill you"

Lmao

Goku is still the biggest moron for recruiting frieza onto universe 7

Frieza being a target for assassination by universe 4 feels like filler

yes they are small fries for frieza but i dont know about sidra. he might be stronger

Sidra looks a throw away character from my point of view but I could be wrong xd

Jun 17, 2017 8:26 AM

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Jun 18, 2017 8:59 AM

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Holy shit.... Frieza WTF so strong and cool

Jun 19, 2017 10:27 AM

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Comander-07 said:

How can something be the right version when its 2 different things.

Because those aren't 2 different things, it's exactly the same scene.

You could only be right about that if the info delivered was used in 2 different ways, but it wasn't, the manga used the info, the anime just ignored it.

SSB is used with a lot of respect in the manga the form is not only difficult to use, they keep working at it and we are witnesses of it's development.

I had missed that from DBZ, the actual try to improve a SS form instead of just jumping from one form to another.

Comander-07 said:

Just because he said some random garbage does not mean its 100% true.

#1) It's true because the series never talked about a lie, they do that when it's a lie.

#2) It's true because it was in Toriyama's script, Toei just went out of their way to show something cool while throwing away the quality of the story.

It only became "random garbage" because of it's inconsistency, adding to the awful writing of the anime.

Comander-07 said:

Remember when they thought SSJ1 was the limit?

Irrelevant comparison, Goku didn't "thought" SSB was burning his stamina away, he wouldn't think it if it wasn't the case, that's nonsensical.

Comander-07 said:

Remember when goku said something about price money? Or other things? It was a lie.

Of course it was a lie, the story let us know that since the beginning, they didn't with the SSB inconsistency though, so, another irrelevant comparison.

Jun 19, 2017 12:19 PM

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