| I'm talking about shows like Shield Hero, SAO, Rent a GF, or Bunny Senpai. It usually centers around one dude in a cast of ladies, typically portrayed with more depth than any of the girls throughout the show. I'm also taking into consideration that as a girl, I wouldn't relate much to male power fantasies. If you like these kinds of shows, especially if it's one of the 4 listed, what do you find appealing about them? Edit: Please read my list before making any assumptions. I have stated that this thread is meant to challenge my preconceived notions, big thanks to those who bothered answering the question. |
smallasiangirlJan 23, 2021 3:32 AM
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2077 said: they like to self-insert as the mc who has a harem and girls all over him but irl theyre just neckbeards who are 300 pounds and live in their moms basement That's so sad. Sometimes I wish guys like that could take the time to really understand women instead of relying on harem power fantasies. |
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| The boy from Bunny Girl isn't an incel, he's the Chad. I mean, Mai is one of the hottest anime girl out there and she's his bitch. |
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| I don't get the connection between incels and these anime. |
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| I do like SAO and Shield Hero, but mainly for the isekai element. I also had fun watching Bunny-Girl Senpai. I can't and don't imagine myself in the shoes of the protagonists with their harem and what-not, I just like to watch the plot unfold. These shows don't really get my attention with these fantasies, I watch them for entirely different reasons. I guess I am pretty neutral towards this "harem power fantasy" thing, but if I had to pick a side, I guess I'd say I don't really like it. |
| I think those four shows you listed are good but I wouldn't call them a power fantasy maybe shield hero but kazuya is portrayed as a pretty weak main character in my opinion. I don't understand how you could think these anime to have anything to do with incels. The reason the guy is portrayed with more depth is because he is usually the main character and I wouldn't even say main characters like kirito or sakuta have much depth at all. |
onceexistedJan 22, 2021 8:26 AM
| What exactly do you mean by 'incel-bait anime'? Because I really doubt that was the intention when creating those shows, even if incels relate to them in some way. |
smallasiangirl said: 2077 said: they like to self-insert as the mc who has a harem and girls all over him but irl theyre just neckbeards who are 300 pounds and live in their moms basement That's so sad. Sometimes I wish guys like that could take the time to really understand women instead of relying on harem power fantasies. smallasiangirl said: 2077 said: they like to self-insert as the mc who has a harem and girls all over him but irl theyre just neckbeards who are 300 pounds and live in their moms basement That's so sad. Sometimes I wish guys like that could take the time to really understand women instead of relying on harem power fantasies. Some guys really try to take the time to do that but a lot of guys nowadays are very socially anxious and introverted (much like myself) so we just fantasize about stuff like that. Also I see zero connection between incels and any of these anime. Harem animes have nothing to do with incels or anything like that, they're just fantasies. Also who else can you insert into these kinds of anime other than yourself when you've got no friends? Neckbeards who weigh 300 pounds and live in their mom's basement only exist in America, you probably won't find anyone like that in Japan. I don't get how any of these anime are connected to incels. Shield Hero has something to do with false rape accusation, which let's be honest almost no other anime is brave enough to bring up themes like those. And also let's be even more honest here, women falsely accusing men of rape is something that happens a LOT, especially here in this shithole we call the USA. |
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onceexisted said: I think those four shows you listed are good but I wouldn't call them a power fantasy maybe shield hero but kazuya is portrayed as a pretty weak main character in my opinion. I don't understand how you could think these anime to have anything to do with incels. Theo1899 said: I don't get the connection between incels and these anime. I have the preconceived notion that (straight) men who like these kinds of anime have 0 bitches or have never touched a woman. I am seeking for a new perspective on these anime and on the fans of them. |
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| It's the easiest way to self-insert when protagonist is a loser and basically a dull mannequin who suddenly gets girls/superpowers out of nowhere and for no reason. Most of harem and shounen shows are like this. It's a cheap trick to attract many people and get lots of money. That's why many undeserved lame shows are in top lists. Everyone bites that bait. |
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TheAngryNerd said: smallasiangirl said: That's so sad. Sometimes I wish guys like that could take the time to really understand women instead of relying on harem power fantasies. smallasiangirl said: That's so sad. Sometimes I wish guys like that could take the time to really understand women instead of relying on harem power fantasies. Some guys really try to take the time to do that but a lot of guys nowadays are very socially anxious and introverted (much like myself) so we just fantasize about stuff like that. Also I see zero connection between incels and any of these anime. Harem animes have nothing to do with incels or anything like that, they're just fantasies. Also who else can you insert into these kinds of anime other than yourself when you've got no friends? Neckbeards who weigh 300 pounds and live in their mom's basement only exist in America, you probably won't find anyone like that in Japan. I don't get how any of these anime are connected to incels. Shield Hero has something to do with false rape accusation, which let's be honest almost no other anime is brave enough to bring up themes like those. And also let's be even more honest here, women falsely accusing men of rape is something that happens a LOT, especially here in this shithole we call the USA. Yeah, I can get behind dudes with genuine social anxiety or maybe even depression finding comfort in these kinds of anime. I'm also referring to just Western anime fans since factoring in Japanese culture would probably be another topic entirely. |
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| I really liked sheild hero because of noafumi. I really liked is character and seeing him get betrayed at the beginning and slowly rising is fun to watch. I didn’t really like Rag and SAO but for bgs I really liked Mai and sakuta relationship. It’s part of the reason on why I really liked the show. Also sakuta personality makes the show 10x better. Also I really liked I gues i could say the mystery element or supernatural element of the anime. Now for harems anime’s the best part of it is just arguing who best girl is and pissing people off. Also I think the memes are funny around it but some of them actually have a really good story though. |
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smallasiangirl said: onceexisted said: I think those four shows you listed are good but I wouldn't call them a power fantasy maybe shield hero but kazuya is portrayed as a pretty weak main character in my opinion. I don't understand how you could think these anime to have anything to do with incels. Theo1899 said: I don't get the connection between incels and these anime. I have the preconceived notion that (straight) men who like these kinds of anime have 0 bitches or have never touched a woman. I am seeking for a new perspective on these anime and on the fans of them. woaaaaah you're super wrong on that one |
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SaberHotMikasa said: smallasiangirl said: I have the preconceived notion that (straight) men who like these kinds of anime have 0 bitches or have never touched a woman. I am seeking for a new perspective on these anime and on the fans of them. Isn’t that a bit judgmental to say? That’s like saying only sluts, cheaters or fuckboys enjoy porn lol It is. Hence why I'm looking for a new perspective :) |
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| Especially in SAO and Bunny Sempai, the main character is a simple gary-stu, perfect for the immersion of incels. |
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Davidh39 said: I really liked sheild hero because of noafumi. I really liked is character and seeing him get betrayed at the beginning and slowly rising is fun to watch. I didn’t really like Rag and SAO but for bgs I really liked Mai and sakuta relationship. It’s part of the reason on why I really liked the show. Also sakuta personality makes the show 10x better. Also I really liked I gues i could say the mystery element or supernatural element of the anime. Now for harems anime’s the best part of it is just arguing who best girl is and pissing people off. Also I think the memes are funny around it but some of them actually have a really good story though. I always thought guys just wanted to insert themselves as the MC and did not consider that they genuinely enjoyed the plot. Ok yeah, I can see how the shows are pretty fun and the community is equally as charming. |
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| Those are the shows you're calling incel bait? Ma'am...you woke up this morning and chose violence. |
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| Ok I honestly think people over exaggerate the hell out of the harem aspect of Shield Hero. There are three girls in Naofumi's party by the end of the show. You know what other isekai anime has three girls in a party with one guy that everyone likes: Konosuba. You don't see anyone complaining about the girls in that show saying it's incel bait but that's getting off topic. Most people like harem shows because they like to route for a girl to get with MC. The most accurate comparison I can give it to is watching sports and hoping your favorite team wins. It is the main reason people were so pissed when Domestic Girlfriend end because . Hopefully I can put a new perspective on harem shows to you. Edit: Also to add more on to the Shield Hero point saying people only watch it to self-insert is completely ignoring that there are people such as myself who just like the shows story and characters of that show. It is all a matter of taste at the end of the day. |
Adimus_primeJan 22, 2021 8:58 AM
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| Those animes arent anything special, but I enjoyed it. Not SAO, that was shit. I have friends that watched those shows and enjoyed them, and they aren't 300 pound neckbearded virigns. They are just like any other dude, SAO is one of the most popular animes out there, do you really think that its targeted towards incels?? If anything its targeted towards younger kids for the most part, and I woudn't call a 10-16 year old that can't get laid an incel. |
| I can guess why you say that of rent a GF even though I haven't seen it, and SAO too but the other two aren't really like that imo. Shield Hero is a power fantasy, but not really regarding harem and such. You have this dude that gets summoned in another world, and is instantly put below the other heroes because he doesn't know anything. From there it just gets worse as he finds himself hated by the ones he should save or cooperate with. That's what works there, although I'd prefer it if he decided to destroy the world as I would've done. The girls? I don't care about them honestly. Except Filo, she's a giant chocobo so I like her. Bunny senpai works on the same concept of loser becomes the best guy around, but this time the anime works hard on getting the viewer emotional with the girls' backstories rather than following the MC like Shield Hero does. Sure the harem part is quite heavy, but I bet everyone has a favorite girl that they really like rather than wanting the whole harem. There are plenty of examples around of what you say, take for example Kami Nomi zo Shiru Sekai, but those two aren't really focused on the harem fantasy from my point of view. |
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| i dont watc sao or rent a g becasue i know they suck ass. this is coming from a male who HATES asshole male or female. but i do like shield hero. because the mc naofumi is realistic, he gets screwed over by a girl and turns into a bit of a edge boy but as he meets more people they help him go bac to his former, nicer self. he grows as a person and is intelligent. the mc is pretty nice. i don't really care about their girls i just enjoyed that anime because of the mc. i only read power fantasies because of the mc. i honestly dislike harems and think their idiotic. they usually all tend out to be horribly written. most people on this site are horny teens but as long as the story is well written, I'll read it. You are misunderstanding something. You're generalizing the community of a specific genre. its like saying all girls who read shoujo have never talked to a real dude. Take the manga, Berserk. The mc on the outside seems like a edge lord whos op and kills everyone with a giant sword just for revenge which is completely false. the intricate story and build up to the eventual change of the mc is what makes the show interesting to read. the mc's never had any friends and was a mercenary yet one day he meets a mercenary group. yeasr pass and the group leader and the mc become best friends. yet one day its all gone as the leader kills everyone in the group to gain power. ANd just to spite him, the leader rapes guts lover. this lover USED to like the leader. the mc and the lover survive but the lover goes mental. This is what causes the hate the mc bears. but as time goes on and he meets more people, he quickly realizes that he should stop chasing revenge and just stop. stop and settle down. instead of revenge, he tries to get his lover's sanity back. this is one case of power fantasy like shield hero, of course much darker. but essentially the same. Its because of the way the mc is some power fantasies are written that people like them. Some people like me probably don't even like the girls. In shield hero, he has 2 girls in his party. one of them is like his daughter, one is his pet that turns into a chicken. there's no romance involved here, the mc knows his stuff and what not and what to do. just because there are a lot of girls doesn't make it a harem. in general, there more female than males in anime in the first place. this thread is so stupid i cant believe it. |
lajzJan 22, 2021 9:02 AM
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| I dont think they cater to incels intentionally and more than just incels insert themselves into anime so I find the conclusion itself heavily flawed that it is incel bait. You sorta seem like you are saying any anime with a pretty female lead in which the main character never has sex with is incel bait. As I am not an incel I cant say if I would agree but it doesnt seem like sound logic. It also assumes that the only reason someone would watch any of those anime is simply for the relationship between certain characters and not any of the story or other events that occur. If those anime are incel bait then so does the roughly 90% of all anime on the site that caters to the male demographic. To some extent it makes me want to say Shoujo anime appeals to women because they cant get any dick in the real world so they lose themselves in fantasy stories. Sounds stupid right? I agree As for why I like those anime I havent watched R-a-G yet but the others I like SAO and Shield hero because I like seeing stories in other worlds and find them to be decently written and enjoy watching the story unfold. Bunny girl I thought was a sort of unique premise and liked the movie a lot also liked the way he does so much for his sister, I like that. I hope they do the other arcs based on the other characters in the series. |
| Those four anime are boring imo. You should watch Redo of Healer, that's peak fiction. |
| What's not to get, its appealing to incels. Many authors who write for incels are also incels themselves. They creating power fantasies that appeal to people like themselves. Unfortunately, between Shield Hero, Goblin Slayer, Redo of Healer, Interspecies Reviewers, and the slew of trashy Isekai and harem anime that come out every year, there's a lot of them in the anime fandom that fuel these trashy creations. Don't be surprised if the next light novel anime that gets adapted has an MC that's just a full on serial rapist even worse than Redo of Healer. |
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-Ecliptix- said: I dont think they cater to incels intentionally and more than just incels insert themselves into anime so I find the conclusion itself heavily flawed that it is incel bait. You sorta seem like you are saying any anime with a pretty female lead in which the main character never has sex with is incel bait. As I am not an incel I cant say if I would agree but it doesnt seem like sound logic. It also assumes that the only reason someone would watch any of those anime is simply for the relationship between certain characters and not any of the story or other events that occur. If those anime are incel bait then so does the roughly 90% of all anime on the site that caters to the male demographic. To some extent it makes me want to say Shoujo anime appeals to women because they cant get any dick in the real world so they lose themselves in fantasy stories. Sounds stupid right? I agree As for why I like those anime I havent watched R-a-G yet but the others I like SAO and Shield hero because I like seeing stories in other worlds and find them to be decently written and enjoy watching the story unfold. Bunny girl I thought was a sort of unique premise and liked the movie a lot also liked the way he does so much for his sister, I like that. I hope they do the other arcs based on the other characters in the series. No, dude who is in a cast of predominantly females and then solves all their problems is what I consider incel bait. I don't consider shows like KonoSuba or Snafu incel bait because every character, male or female regardless, is treated equally with the same amount of character depth. |
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manelist1 said: Those four anime are boring imo. You should watch Redo of Healer, that's peak fiction. MoonStar9 said: What's not to get, its appealing to incels. Many authors who write for incels are also incels themselves. They creating power fantasies that appeal to people like themselves. Unfortunately, between Shield Hero, Goblin Slayer, Redo of Healer, Interspecies Reviewers, and the slew of trashy Isekai and harem anime that come out every year, there's a lot of them in the anime fandom that fuel these trashy creations. Don't be surprised if the next light novel anime that gets adapted has an MC that's just a full on serial rapist even worse than Redo of Healer. Redo of healer sounds pretty interesting, I might as well give it a try. |
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| I wonder if otome games get the same amount of hate (because, you know, they are technically "incel bait" for women)... |
| I don't like the term incel bait because in real life most men would like it if beautiful women fought for their attention and affection. Most men do not get a lot of female attention. I think your post demonstrates you do not understand men nor care about their feelings. Maybe you should reflect on that. |
| I think its a huge reach to think they are incel only bait. Guys in general like to help women they like to feel needed by them, they want to be looked upon well by them in general. They would be happy to have a single woman or multiple desire them in some way. Women in my experience are not much different. You dont post a million selfies and take 50m to get them because you dont want attention. Everyone is generally seeking attention to some degree. A lot of incels hate women because of their situation and will treat them like shit, thats why they run over women with vans and shit when they go nuts. I dunno it just doesnt seem like a logical argument to me. It may appeal to incels but it appeals to regular guys as well which is why I dont see it as incel bait. What we need is an incel to come in and answer your question but not so sure I see that happening. I mostly dont like the implication of being lumped in with incels just because. Either way good luck finding your answers. |
Vini310 said: I wonder if otome games get the same amount of hate (because, you know, they are technically "incel bait" for women)... Going to be honest, I have been disappointed by every female MC harem I've ever watched. |
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Vini310 said: I wonder if otome games get the same amount of hate (because, you know, they are technically "incel bait" for women)... That is correct. Wizardess Heart (a popular otome game), for example, has an MC that is an ordinary girl. Two characters fall in love with each other in 12 chapters - 12 DAYS. Imagine preparing to get married on the 13th day of getting to know each other. |
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| This thread is a click bait, doesnt matter how much harem you see, from begin it was a normal anime starting with 0 womans, later .. it became a harem, i cant understand why someone who is watching an anime that after a few episodes turn into harem have to weight 300 pounds and never touch a tit or vagina lol |
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lajz said: i dont watc sao or rent a g becasue i know they suck ass. this is coming from a male who HATES asshole male or female. but i do like shield hero. because the mc naofumi is realistic, he gets screwed over by a girl and turns into a bit of a edge boy but as he meets more people they help him go bac to his former, nicer self. he grows as a person and is intelligent. the mc is pretty nice. i don't really care about their girls i just enjoyed that anime because of the mc. i only read power fantasies because of the mc. i honestly dislike harems and think their idiotic. they usually all tend out to be horribly written. most people on this site are horny teens but as long as the story is well written, I'll read it. You are misunderstanding something. You're generalizing the community of a specific genre. its like saying all girls who read shoujo have never talked to a real dude. Take the manga, Berserk. The mc on the outside seems like a edge lord whos op and kills everyone with a giant sword just for revenge which is completely false. the intricate story and build up to the eventual change of the mc is what makes the show interesting to read. the mc's never had any friends and was a mercenary yet one day he meets a mercenary group. yeasr pass and the group leader and the mc become best friends. yet one day its all gone as the leader kills everyone in the group to gain power. ANd just to spite him, the leader rapes guts lover. this lover USED to like the leader. the mc and the lover survive but the lover goes mental. This is what causes the hate the mc bears. but as time goes on and he meets more people, he quickly realizes that he should stop chasing revenge and just stop. stop and settle down. instead of revenge, he tries to get his lover's sanity back. this is one case of power fantasy like shield hero, of course much darker. but essentially the same. Its because of the way the mc is some power fantasies are written that people like them. Some people like me probably don't even like the girls. In shield hero, he has 2 girls in his party. one of them is like his daughter, one is his pet that turns into a chicken. there's no romance involved here, the mc knows his stuff and what not and what to do. just because there are a lot of girls doesn't make it a harem. in general, there more female than males in anime in the first place. this thread is so stupid i cant believe it. Casca has more character depth than any of the three girls in Naofumi's gang, thank you very much. |
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smallasiangirl said: onceexisted said: I think those four shows you listed are good but I wouldn't call them a power fantasy maybe shield hero but kazuya is portrayed as a pretty weak main character in my opinion. I don't understand how you could think these anime to have anything to do with incels. Theo1899 said: I don't get the connection between incels and these anime. I have the preconceived notion that (straight) men who like these kinds of anime have 0 bitches or have never touched a woman. I am seeking for a new perspective on these anime and on the fans of them. Considering the shows are primarily aimed at kids and young teens, I don't think you're not completely wrong in saying that, but it's definitely ignoring a good chunk of the people who watch these shows. |
| at the end of the day it's just entertainment, you put a main dude in the story and make all the girls fall for him, you make him over powered and all that, I think it's fun. I am not a fan of sao or shield hero but I like ecchi harems like sora no otoshimono and other romcoms will multiple girls like school rumble, urusei yatsura, kimagure orange road. |
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| Those are not made especially for women audience. If u can't relate its because demographic is male. Their are certainly many "incel bait" shojo and josei shows which does the opposite thing to the shows u mentioned. If u ask what is the appeal, a guy getting attention from many girl is itself the appeal ( which is oriented towards young male audience), other than that - SAO - It does have a good amount of action and a chunk of virtual reality/ mmorpg fictional concept if u ignore its fetishes Shield Hero - action and isekai setting and level up world and probably concept opposite to the me to movement Rent a GF - Its what it is, that's how Shonen romance are supposed to be Bunny senpai - Not seen it but probably same as above and to top it some light supernatural psychology "A one dude in a cast of ladies, typically portrayed with more depth than any of the girls" - thats Harem for u. I am pretty sure the 4 shows u mentioned are not even proper harem. There are proper harem shows out there which can do this troupe better than those 4 shows. Also "A one girl in a cast of pretty boys, typically portrayed with more depth than any of the pretty boy" - Thats reverse harem. At some level, even boy cannot appreciate this because its made for female There are always exceptions. But thats the just of it |
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| Anyone who uses the buzzword "incel" isn't looking for an actual discussion and should not be taken seriously, obviously bait thread is obvious. |
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| honestly I wouldn't say these shows are 'incel-bait' sure it's a bit out of your comfort zone if you haven't watched these types of shows b4, but the problem is I guess like adampk said you probably can't relate to self-insertion because all of the MCs are male at the end of the day you do you I guess, but incel-bait is a bit of an extreme way to describe these anime |
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smallasiangirl said: ... I'm also taking into consideration that as a girl, I wouldn't relate much to male power fantasies. ... I just want to say that those anime don't represent the male power fantasy, they at most represent the male sexual fantasy. The male power fantasy is to save the world! Getting the girl, getting rich, killing the bad guy, all secondary, the important is to save the world, whatever that means! Yup, we're stupid. |
smallasiangirl said: Redo of healer sounds pretty interesting, I might as well give it a try. I kinda hope that was sarcasm (for your sake?), considering the topic of this post. I'd read some chapters into the manga and quite honestly just found it disgusting, but maybe I'm just too sensitive to that stuff. If you really wanna give it a go, I'd suggest skimming the current top review on it, to give you a small idea of what to expect. |
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