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Dec 24, 2020 5:48 AM
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Is it really necessary to bring up an antagonist for a certain arc in the story? an asshole filthy fucked up character whose main purpose is to enrage fans hearts just to build up for a climax!

Later on, you make up a back story for that asshole to justify his actions and find an open to make him a good character as if he hasn't done anything to our main characters!

Consider Food Wars as an example



I think you guys have some other similar examples, although you may not agree with me.
Dec 24, 2020 5:57 AM
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It's a common trope in anime and manga.
But it's very hard to find a real bad person even in real world, everyone has their reasoning and history. Those don't justify their actions though.
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Dec 24, 2020 6:13 AM
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Tell that to Mashima and his fucking characters.

Fairy Tail in a nutshell:

Good Guy: Somehow stumbles upon a bad guy.
Bad Guy: I am killing you right now.
Good Guy: Fights him and get overwhelmed.
Bad Guy: Is arrogant and thinks is winning.
Good Guy: Remembers something.
Bad Guy: Starts monologuing.
Good Guy: Attacks more ferociously.
Bad Guy: Loses his composure somehow.
Good Guy: Spit one or two cliche lines.
Bad Guy: Thinks how could this have happened.
Good Guy: Thinks of his lOvElY friends.
Bad Guy: Yellllllsss and gets one-shotted.

Bad Guy becomes good and with a heart.
He either joins Natsu and the gang or leaves somewhere at random to inevitably helping them later down the line.
Dec 24, 2020 6:16 AM
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yes, I agree, guys like matou shinji should remain scums. it's a good story when they become good but it gets boring when't it's overused
Dec 24, 2020 6:16 AM
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thats just a common trope in battle shonen since even in real life nothing is black and white (all or nothing thinking) its rare to see pure evil

plus a lot of villains in anime follows the end justify the means like Uchiha Madara
Dec 24, 2020 6:20 AM
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I hate how sasuke become good at the end of naruto......
Dec 24, 2020 6:24 AM
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Sakuta002766 said:
I hate how sasuke become good at the end of naruto......

That's because Sasuke was always a good character in heart, hatred took over him, and you can't blame him for that when his own brother literally says "Hate me". Sasuke had a fucked up life, but he was blinded by hate, he was always a good character in heart.




I said keep your hands on the table
Dec 24, 2020 6:27 AM
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cigare said:
Tell that to Mashima and his fucking characters.

Fairy Tail in a nutshell:

Good Guy: Somehow stumbles upon a bad guy.
Bad Guy: I am killing you right now.
Good Guy: Fights him and get overwhelmed.
Bad Guy: Is arrogant and thinks is winning.
Good Guy: Remembers something.
Bad Guy: Starts monologuing.
Good Guy: Attacks more ferociously.
Bad Guy: Loses his composure somehow.
Good Guy: Spit one or two cliche lines.
Bad Guy: Thinks how could this have happened.
Good Guy: Thinks of his lOvElY friends.
Bad Guy: Yellllllsss and gets one-shotted.

Bad Guy becomes good and with a heart.
He either joins Natsu and the gang or leaves somewhere at random to inevitably helping them later down the line.


Haha DBZ has it's ass-pull power ups and FT has it's Power of Friendship ass-pulls.
Dec 24, 2020 6:38 AM
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Shо̄nen villains—especially long-standing ones—will usually begin to be well-liked by fans and after their defeat, killing them off or locking them away (which is essentially the same as killing them off as far as screen-time is concerned) won't be a very popular decision. And so, the 3rd most plausible plot development is making it so they have a change of heart; with that they'll be able to justify still giving them screen-time.
Dec 24, 2020 6:41 AM

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Read visual novels if you want that lol.
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Dec 24, 2020 7:24 AM
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Hm I don't mind if they become good eventually and realize their ways were wrong, but they shouldn't just be forgiven because they apologized
Have them deserve the forgiveness or maybe have them never be forgiven
Dec 24, 2020 7:30 AM

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So there is one character from Citrus . She introduced as a cunt. She is joules bitch who want one of the mc by herself. She's didn't like the other mc because she was way too close to her. She did lots of awful things. She even drag her to do kind of prostitute job. But she became a goody two shoes once she heard a shity monologue from our mc. She didn't deserve that....
Dec 24, 2020 7:33 AM
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ShaDanDan said:
Is it really necessary to bring up an antagonist for a certain arc in the story? an asshole filthy fucked up character whose main purpose is to enrage fans hearts just to build up for a climax!

Later on, you make up a back story for that asshole to justify his actions and find an open to make him a good character as if he hasn't done anything to our main characters!

Consider Food Wars as an example



I think you guys have some other similar examples, although you may not agree with me.
tell that tooooooooo fairrrrryyyytailllll
Dec 24, 2020 7:37 AM

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DHD534 said:
So there is one character from Citrus . She introduced as a cunt. She is joules bitch who want one of the mc by herself. She's didn't like the other mc because she was way too close to her. She did lots of awful things. She even drag her to do kind of prostitute job. But she became a goody two shoes once she heard a shity monologue from our mc. She didn't deserve that....
DHD534 said:
So there is one character from Citrus . She introduced as a cunt. She is joules bitch who want one of the mc by herself. She's didn't like the other mc because she was way too close to her. She did lots of awful things. She even drag her to do kind of prostitute job. But she became a goody two shoes once she heard a shity monologue from our mc. She didn't deserve that....


Is it the pink haired girl? I can't remember her name tho
a really troublesome girl just showed up at a troubling time to start some trouble.
Dec 24, 2020 7:40 AM

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Shonichixx said:
DHD534 said:
So there is one character from Citrus . She introduced as a cunt. She is joules bitch who want one of the mc by herself. She's didn't like the other mc because she was way too close to her. She did lots of awful things. She even drag her to do kind of prostitute job. But she became a goody two shoes once she heard a shity monologue from our mc. She didn't deserve that....
DHD534 said:
So there is one character from Citrus . She introduced as a cunt. She is joules bitch who want one of the mc by herself. She's didn't like the other mc because she was way too close to her. She did lots of awful things. She even drag her to do kind of prostitute job. But she became a goody two shoes once she heard a shity monologue from our mc. She didn't deserve that....


Is it the pink haired girl? I can't remember her name tho

Yeah that's the bitch. I also have watched it long time ago. So I also don't know the details...
Dec 24, 2020 9:04 AM

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This is one of the worst things about Dragon Ball Z.
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Dec 24, 2020 11:10 AM

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I read fanfiction for fun and there is a lot of bad guy redemption stories out there.

I mean people write sympathetic Diavolo from Jojo!
Dec 24, 2020 11:12 AM

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Catalano said:
yes, I agree, guys like matou shinji should remain scums. it's a good story when they become good but it gets boring when't it's overused


Matou Shinji never got redemption though.
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Dec 24, 2020 11:34 AM

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Kenzolo-folk said:
Catalano said:
yes, I agree, guys like matou shinji should remain scums. it's a good story when they become good but it gets boring when't it's overused


Matou Shinji never got redemption though.

two different phrases, in the first I talked how shinji should remain a scum and in the 2nd I said that I enjoy when some evil characters became good but when it's overused it becomes boring
Dec 24, 2020 11:53 AM

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I've just remembered that wolf guy from Inuyasha. He kidnaps or tries to kill main characters, his gang wipes out and eats whole villages just for fun and for food, they even murder a little girl for fun.
And after some events he just easily gets forgiven and even becomes an episodical sidekick. He never repents, he never gets punished for his crimes. He is just being accepted because the main heroine said "wait, he is not that bad". That's all.
Another Takahashi Rumiko's work, Ranma, has the same bullshit several times, but at least it's just a frivolous comedy and can be forgiven.
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Dec 24, 2020 12:10 PM

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lol OP go read Mahou shoujo of the end to have your panties twisted even more 😂

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Dec 24, 2020 12:23 PM
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Yeah,I totally agree
Example:
Right now I'm reading Tokyo revengers and taiju who is the number 2 asshole right after kisaki is somehow helping takemichy and the others !!!
I'm totally confused.
Dec 24, 2020 7:57 PM

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Nemo_Niemand said:
I've just remembered that wolf guy from Inuyasha. He kidnaps or tries to kill main characters, his gang wipes out and eats whole villages just for fun and for food, they even murder a little girl for fun.
And after some events he just easily gets forgiven and even becomes an episodical sidekick. He never repents, he never gets punished for his crimes. He is just being accepted because the main heroine said "wait, he is not that bad". That's all.
Another Takahashi Rumiko's work, Ranma, has the same bullshit several times, but at least it's just a frivolous comedy and can be forgiven.

That was the point where I dropped my score for Inuyasha. As much as I enjoy Rumiko's work, she's pretty bad at writing anything long that isn't a frivolous comedy.
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Dec 24, 2020 8:01 PM

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I prefer well-rounded characters...but when they go past the point where I can't forgive them...I don't want them to be redeemed; I want them to suffer a bad end. xD



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