Attack on Titan
| Can't express how sad and disappointed I am, truly. It looks decent I guess but nowhere near what I was hoping for the finale of AoT. It is like karma hits me, after preaching for a long time to my friends about how unappealing the Ufotable's animation actually looks with their weird art style and cgi, now my fave and most anticipated anime looks like one of them when it should've been at its peak! Furthermore, there is a high chance it'll look worse than what we were shown, not mentioning other possible issues with pacing and tone. Even though I always found the both directors styles quite similar, I'm not sure if Yuichiro Hayashi can fill Araki's shoes. AoT is a massive undertaking with some crazy action sequences and from what I seen Yuichiro isn't that good at action (Dorohedoro). I know I'm being a little too harsh but It is hard to stay hopeful when trailer looks so "raw", almost like one of the fan made animations on the youtube. |
Yo, what can I say, Mikasa is already best boy of the final season. For real though, I like MAPPA lot and so I'm looking forward to it. Changing studios is always a bit difficult, especially when you don't know what to expect after being happy with how the previous seasons were. I have faith in MAPPA though, so I think it might be as good as I hope it to be. |
Haptism93May 29, 2020 11:16 AM
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Modernoir said: SirTristram said: Can't express how sad and disappointed I am, truly. It looks decent I guess but nowhere near what I was hoping for the finale of AoT. It is like karma hits me, after preaching for a long time to my friends about how unappealing the Ufotable's animation actually looks with their weird art style and cgi, now my fave and most anticipated anime looks like one of them when it should've been at its peak! Furthermore, there is a high chance it'll look worse than what we were shown, not mentioning other possible issues with pacing and tone. Even though I always found the both directors styles quite similar, I'm not sure if Yuichiro Hayashi can fill Araki's shoes. AoT is a massive undertaking with some crazy action sequences and from what I seen Yuichiro isn't that good at action (Dorohedoro). I know I'm being a little too harsh but It is hard to stay hopeful when trailer looks so "raw", almost like one of the fan made animations on the youtube. If this makes you sad and disappointed, good lord I can only imagine how pained you'd have been if you were an OPM fan at the time of OPM season 2's trailer getting showed off, good lord some of you guys are melodramatic as hell in this thread ahah. Yes I was disappointed back then too, is it impossible to feel sad for both?. For me, it is more about expectations vs what are you getting rather than the overall quality of a product. There is no denying this is no opm s2 but it is not a S3P2 either if you ask me. It is only understandable people get "melodramatic". I'm not sure how can you be so certain about the other aspects of the final season to make a statement like this. There is no way to be sure the only thing will deteriorate in quality is the animation with everything and everyone basically changing. I know opm had it worse, berserk had it way worse and so on but does it make my concerns any less significant? |
| The hilarity of people crying about design changes not realizing there is a time jump and that the anime is reflecting the manga designs of the characters which are older and sport new haircuts etc., or crying about CG when the series has often used CG including one giant fucking CG colossus titan for several seasons now. LOL |
deg said: Shuhei Yabuta confirms the Titans PV is pre-animated. He did a great job with the storyboard of it but also important to remember it wont necessarily be indicative of the TV final result. They have re-used pre-animated footage before but it remains to be seen how much if any. source https://twitter.com/PurpleGeth/status/1266299614371516419 err ye lol it might look worse than that then hopefully im wrong @keragamming Imai was credited for a long time as the main ace key action animator though we all know that Yeah, it is pre-animated, just like every trailer from previous season of AOT. |
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Ocalino said: Kinda scared that mappa's doing it tbh, their peak was literally their beggining with zankyou no terror. Then I found all of their shows to be ok tier with decent animation. But it's attack on titan I think they know what they're getting into MAPPA"s animaiton has been very good Dororo had superb animation at times...... but then it feel off drastically. The sakuga and PV looks very good what I am worried about is consistency. |
HistoriaYeager said: What is this "the PV is pre-animated blah blah blah" bullshit that people are throwing around? is it just cope from being in denial that S4 will look like shit? They claim all other trailers/pv's by WIT were also pre-animated but I'm looking through all of them in youtube and literally all of them are scenes straight out of the anime, none of this "pre-animated" buzzword they're throwing around. Fucking pathetic idiots lie to themselves so much. Actually it is the opposite, people are using the pre animated thing as to say this season wont look nothing like the trailer. So it is to make it seem like this season is a failure already, I also like that you pointed out that this isn't something new and wit has done it plenty of time and all the scenes that were in it stayed in the tv version. So I don't know what is the big deal here as if this is something new, but I guess since its mappa it should be all gloom and doom. |
SirTristram said: Modernoir said: If this makes you sad and disappointed, good lord I can only imagine how pained you'd have been if you were an OPM fan at the time of OPM season 2's trailer getting showed off, good lord some of you guys are melodramatic as hell in this thread ahah. Yes I was disappointed back then too, is it impossible to feel sad for both?. For me, it is more about expectations vs what are you getting rather than the overall quality of a product. There is no denying this is no opm s2 but it is not a S3P2 either if you ask me. It is only understandable people get "melodramatic". I'm not sure how can you be so certain about the other aspects of the final season to make a statement like this. There is no way to be sure the only thing will deteriorate in quality is the animation with everything and everyone basically changing. I know opm had it worse, berserk had it way worse and so on but does it make my concerns any less significant? The problem is the trailer does have fairly good animation and is adapting the manga well. Now of course is that how it is always going to be who knows? MAPPA has issues there (they can do sakuga well but consistency is the worry) but for pretty much every AOT season we were worried because WIT ran their production so tight there was concern that stuff was being rushed out. I remembering people saying how bad S3 Part 2 was going to turn out when they were looking at the staff realizing some episodes were getting finished down to the line. I mean if you just compare it to S3 Part 2's trailer honestly this trailer actually shows way more high animated scenes (in some ways it would be nice to cut down on that since there is a lot shown. |
BilboBaggins365May 29, 2020 12:08 PM
Modernoir said: I highly recommend watching the BDs for Dororo, they fixed up a lot of the derpy animation so the bad eps just look average now, Dororo in general had some pretty good animation, even past the halfway point, the last couple of episodes were fucking amazing. People don't give the show enough credit, it's not the best thing ever but its animation certainly doesn't "fall off" as hard as people exaggerate. Also, if the rumours are true and the anime is getting delayed I really don't think we should worry about the scheduling being an issue with the animation quality dipping in the middle point if they're getting much more time to work on the show. Well good to know granted I wasn't totally on board with the story in those episodes but that drop off did mean a point cut for Dororo cause those scenes were pretty wonky and hurt what was otherwise a great show. Final few episodes were also pretty well animated but yeah trying to equate MAPPA with JC is kinda a stretch. That said I do have some concerns but honestly I won't know until the series starts to air. |
| This will be unfortunately another disappointing sequel because of changing of the studio. OPM S2 got different studio and it sucked. 7DS S3 got different studio and it sucked. SNK S4 will be no different. Studio MAPPA didn't create any anime that could compete visually with studio Wit. MAPPA is just like a toddler compared to Wit |
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Modernoir said: Seitaro11 said: This will be unfortunately another disappointing sequel because of changing of the studio. OPM S2 got different studio and it sucked. 7DS S3 got different studio and it sucked. SNK S4 will be no different. Studio MAPPA didn't create any anime that could compete visually with studio Wit. MAPPA is just like a toddler compared to Wit The posts in these threads just get dumber and dumber, jesus christ. Can you people actually do some research before typing up your garbage doomposts? Maybe post why you don't agree with me, instead of insulting first. Are you in first grade? My speculation has all the rights to be that way. Cry or leave. |
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| I have no problem with the fans besides using a preanimated PV as an indication of how the final product will look like. It's a bad idea because they give false expectations like what the dororo PV did. And it's not like Wit or Mappa are the only studios guilty for this practice. There are many other examples like these Neither of these were a 100% representation of the final product. In fact, none of these were in the TV anime. |
Z4KMay 29, 2020 12:28 PM
Legoboynj said: (I'm probably gonna get hate after saying this) After watching the preview I can say MAPPA actually did a pretty decent job with keeping the art style on par with the previous seasons. The only problem I have with it though is how it seems as if Mikasa's hairstyle has gotten one hell of a change. Though I haven't really read the manga and since the trailer is all we have right now, I'm just gonna assume some point she gets it heavily cut (she looks a lot like a guy in this version) I don't think it's a spoiler to say that yeah, she got a haircut. It was just as awkward in the manga--the first time I saw her with it, I thought she was Levi...and then Levi showed up, lol. And yeah, I think MAPPA's doing great at keeping it recognizable. Especially since the other seasons have art style changes too, and those were even from the same studio. And especially since this is |
MironBiron said: key animators/2nd key/tweeners aren't listed because there are no episodes out yet. most studios are near suginami ward, so if he isn't busy with different project there is a possibility. Could it be that Imai will still animate a couple of scenes despite not being credited? |
| I was quite impressed with the trailer, but quite surprised they had shown a lot of up-to-date material from the manga. That leads me to believe, that this will be one cour and not two like S3. Unless S4 is delayed until next year, and I doubt it given the trailer has been shown now, that kind of worries me, because S4 will have to be at least 24-26 episodes to effectively cover all the material so far in the manga. I have every faith in MAPPA that they'll do the manga justice, hopefully have been working on this since S3 ended, and the animators have been given ample time and not been made to rush it, otherwise the quality will suffer for it. Still hyped as fuck though, and it seems social media agrees, seen as it's been trending worldwide for the past half-day. |
| I can't help it. As greek person the name mappa is just too funny to me. Also don't worry guys, I prayed to all the Saints' icons I have in my house, They will give mappa the strength to make the 400 shows they have scheduled into presentable products. |
| MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
| Prepare for poor animation quality after 12/13 episodes or worse after the first or second episode. |
ToumaTachibanaMay 29, 2020 2:06 PM
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| Well I guess it could be worse but idk. There was a time when I trusted MAPPA but I dont think they can handle the style of AoT. Lets see and hope for the best. Anyway it feels unreal to have the final season this year. I remember watching season 1 all those years ago and the loong wait after. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| I don't see a change in style by a different studio as inherently worse than the status quo, it's just that from what I've seen from MAPPA, I'm on the fence regarding the outcome, but I guess it's a matter of how they choose to approach this. I'd personally rather that they depart as much as possible from what Wit did and leave their own mark on the production, than that they try to emulate it haphazardly to pretend as if the change didn't affect the work at all. |
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| My only fear lies in the character designs. Not that they’re bad by any means—they’re BEAUTUFUL but I expect a certain kind of WEIGHT to them when it comes to AoT. AoT characters have always had strong, dark outlines (even after season 1) and an explicit sharpness to them and they just won’t look and feel as intense without this aspect. Thoughts? |
RafaKiyoura said: they are not prepared. With late announcement, the scheduling is worse than JC staff 2019 spree . And JJK is in production phase with same director as GOHS so with this big as SNK. MAPPA is overworking themselves. So its bad decision to air it this year. They are not ready for it.chriskor022 said: it's coming this fall likely with 24 episodes at least to cover the whole final arcs of the manga, i mean it is true that MAPPA is kinda loaded this year making Dorohedoro, God of High School and Jujutsu Kaisen, but GOH production seems quite advanced already so maybe won't be a problem, also Wit Studio probably left because they were loaded themlselfs, they mentioned even before the season 3 part 2 that they wanted to focus on other proejcts and ended up making only 10 episodes for that season, as for MAPPA, i don't think they would pick up a massive project like Shingeki without beeing prepared, if there's one thing i like about mappa is that they are passionate about their animes, so let's keep the faith highMAPPA is LOADED with those projects. The pv looks generic asf but not as bad as OPM s2 pv. The director is hit or miss, so im worried. Most likely 2021 release because MAPPA is loaded is year. |
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| Oh boy, it's been done by a different studio, I'm worried now, the trailer looked good but the studio change is a big problem. I hope this last season doesn't end up like OPM S2 because that would suck ass. |
| I honestly don't get how people can panic over MAPPA. They are mostly formed by staff from Madhouse's golden age, they never did anything too bad, so it's not like they're a studio that started good but can't keep up like JC's Staff, they are overworked but Shingeki is by far the biggest name they ever had so I doubt they wouldn't focus on it. Considering ufotable does only 1 or 2 anime a year, A-1 is booked with SAO forever, Bones has BHA, it's movies and talks of Noragami's return, Madhouse is worse than MAPPA now and I doubt anyone other than me would like to see a Shaft AOT, MAPPA is literally the best alternative. It's not like Wit was the greatest studio ever, they have a short staff and a shitload of stories about overworking and mistreating their animators, that kind of stuff can always blow up and ruin what they're working on. I don't expect to see that same excellent "cgi makeup" Wit did on scenes to improve lights and colors, but I doubt designs and fight scenes will be botched |
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