| Tastes are different so technically opinion can't be wrong. The entire point of an opinion is that it's a personal view on particular theme. |
| Literally everyone in this hypothetical situation is in the wrong. The person saying their opinion is right is correct since an opinion can't be wrong, they only become wrong if they claim any objectivity, claim any other opinions are wrong, or are obnoxious about it, like you said. On the other hand, if people dogpile on the person with the intent of shaming their opinion instead of their attitude, they're very much in the wrong as well |
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| Because it's a opinion it's there favorite show not yours I could like a show that everyone hates because I don't care what y'all think it's still my favorite show and your not gonna change it. Yeah sure I don't like Sao either but let the person like they show there not hurting you. It's. It a fact that it's a awful just by majority opinion. You don't have to like the person's show and they don't got to listen to you or the anime community after all it is MY opinion of the show :)) |
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| It's amazing how sao is still brought up. Truly the greatest show ever produced. Based Kawahara. |
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| do you live under a rock? a group of swedish researchers has already proven 3 years ago that sao is objectively the best anime of all time. scientists in ohio have double-checked their findings and came to the same conclusion. it is an indisputable fact. |
NamikazeHime said: Tastes are different so technically opinion can't be wrong. The entire point of an opinion is that it's a personal view on particular theme. How true, I very much agree with your wise words. |
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Theo1899 said: It's amazing how sao is still brought up. Truly the greatest show ever produced. Based Kawahara. Indeed. Only so many can stand the test of time the way it does |
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EdgeoftheLords said: NamikazeHime said: Tastes are different so technically opinion can't be wrong. The entire point of an opinion is that it's a personal view on particular theme. But majority rules. If the majority of the community disagrees with your opinion it is considered wrong. By definition it is not wrong, but think about flat earthers. Their opinions aren't considered wrong. Kind of the same situation with SAO lovers. *demon slayer fans don't think I didn't forget about you either* Opinion can be unpopular. Statement can be wrong. Learn the difference - it's not that hard. |
| It's objectively impossible for someone to believe SAO is the best anime of all time. There's no point arguing. They are lying straight in your face. |
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EdgeoftheLords said: NamikazeHime said: Opinion can be unpopular. Statement can be wrong. Learn the difference - it's not that hard. Yeah, but here, on MAL, and the anime community as a whole, there are certain opinions that are very, very, unpopular. Opinions are not fact, but can be considered like facts. One statement is this: believing in your own opinion amidst large amounts of criticism does reduce the validity of your own opinion. I think even you lost count on what you are trying to say at this point. |
EdgeoftheLords said: Oh yeah, Kirito has tons of personality, and the story really shows itself with focused plot on how the characters deal with the world situation and how they work together on how to get out. It doesn't fall off with a Kirito getting a harem story. Is this a response to me? I didn't bring up anything that your addressing in your response lol |
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EdgeoftheLords said: I'm just saying people here have opinions deemed incorrect by the majority of the anime community. I do not know why they feel the urge to blurt out their opinion even though they're told their opinion is wrong. But that doesn't make their opinion wrong. Opinion is a PERSONAL view on something. Every person has a right to have an opinion and say it outloud. |
| Taimanin Asagi is still the greatest anime ever! Fight me! |
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EdgeoftheLords said: Kaasfondue said: It's objectively impossible for someone to believe SAO is the best anime of all time. There's no point arguing. They are lying straight in your face. Yeah, but a small amount of people here, and in this thread, believe so. We, the majority tell them otherwise, but they do not listen. There will always be someone who believes well plot-driven anime like Bakemonogatari and Steins:Gate are worse than shonen like SAO, Black Clover, Demon Slayer, etc. Bakemonogatari is a stupid harem with nonsensical characters that endorses pedophilia and Steins;Gate is a bad Dr.Who rip-off that normalizes transgenderism and other mental ilnesses. From a standpoint of human decency it's not hard to understand why someone might perceive them as ''worse''. My point was more that due to the way the human brain functions, it's literally impossible to come to the conclusion SAO is the best anime of all time. There are no people like this, they are just liars giving wrong opinions to cause outrage. |
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EdgeoftheLords said: NamikazeHime said: But that doesn't make their opinion wrong. Opinion is a PERSONAL view on something. Every person has a right to have an opinion and say it outloud. "deemed incorrect". it does not mean that their opinion is wrong by definition. It is seen as wrong by the majority of the community though. Everyone has a right to say an opinion but that doesn't mean you'll get backlash for it lol So now you are changing your entire story? Last line of defense is falling into ruins. |
EdgeoftheLords said: I'm talking about the people [...] with invalid points. You just did the same thing with this sentence. You're validating your own bias by invalidating others' |
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EdgeoftheLords said: I'm talking about the people who'll talk about how SAO is the best anime, and how Shonen is the best genre, with invalid points. They will say their opinion IN ALL CAPS until they are proven right. 1 butt hurt person could speak their opinion to no end, even when 150 elitist anime folks tell them their opinion is incorrect. Why are people so strict to their opinions? Why can't they admit that to the majority of the anime community, their opinion is seen as wrong? It's intriguing to think about. If you had to obey and suck up to what the majority says, well, wouldn´t that be awfuly boring and just serve as a way to kill discourse? I myself enjoy diversity of thought. Besides the majority in the US where i assume you´re from are protestant, does that mean only becuase the majority says god exist, that god actually exist? Or have I minsterpeted what you are trying to say? |
EdgeoftheLords said: Kaasfondue said: Bakemonogatari is a stupid harem with nonsensical characters that endorses pedophilia and Steins;Gate is a bad Dr.Who rip-off that normalizes transgenderism and other mental ilnesses. From a standpoint of human decency it's not hard to understand why someone might perceive them as ''worse''. My point was more that due to the way the human brain functions, it's literally impossible to come to the conclusion SAO is the best anime of all time. There are no people like this, they are just liars giving wrong opinions to cause outrage. Maybe if we saw your list we could see more about your very questionable taste. But about liars to piss people off, I can understand that. I would just bash on the people who truly stand by their opinion that SAO is the best. You just advocated for harassment. Your taste is that of a caveman. I can assure you the God of anime is not on your side. |
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EdgeoftheLords said: So you would bash on people for liking something better than the majority(the "majority" that does not agree on a single best anime) and expressing their opinion? At best you could have an argument about bashing loud people, but I'd say you're the loudest person around right now. Especially considering I haven't hear anyone say that SAO is "bestest" after the initial hype died down and the disappointment of the Fairy Dance arc set in.Maybe if we saw your list we could see more about your very questionable taste. But about liars to piss people off, I can understand that. I would just bash on the people who truly stand by their opinion that SAO is the best. Also how is the guy's taste questionable when reportedly you can't even observe his taste in anime? |
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EdgeoftheLords said: Maybe something like "mysterious" is the word you're looking for, "questionable" has way more asinine implications. Other than that, even if you're civil, this thread comes down to "How come some think that a title is a #1 when most people don't?" and you're not going to find support around here even if you build your argument around controversial titles like SAO. A major reason why for example I'm even watching anime or reading manga is because it gives me material that the mainstream media just doesn't. Subscribing to "mainstream" opinions/tastes in anime seems just dumb to me.And if they don't show their list, why not? |
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| Calling something trash is also a opinion. I notice a lot of people misunderstand how broad subjectivity is. |
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| A lot of people have this idea that their opinion is the only thing that matters and they can't be wrong... you know, like the dude down here that doesn't even understood the point of the thread and already is giving an opnion and talking about subjectivity. People love being right and they don't like to work or think for it. rohan121 said: Calling something trash is also a opinion. I notice a lot of people misunderstand how broad subjectivity is. Leaving that aside, people doesn't get than an opinion is supoused to be made about something... talking about your opinion without talking about that something is something useless and shallow, because there are no arguments. Without reasons, an opinion becomes empty. Saying that a show is bad because has bad plot is not a valid argument, saying that I don't like the show because the plot was predictable, or because some plot twist didn't make sense or because the plot had certain element are good opinions. Calling a show thrash despite being relevant for decades is also an opinion that shouldn't be taken seriously for example, you don't need to enjoy it but people loving it after so many shows were forgotten is a feat that not many shows do so that fact alone makes some opinions invalid. |
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| It's as the age old wisdom goes: the opinion by itself doesn't matter, what matters is the argumentation behind it and how it was build, because what's under scrutiny are the arguments themselves. You know, when your high school asked/asks you to write an argumentative essay on some topic? And, you know, the teacher doesn't demand you defend a particular point of view as long as it's well-structured, well-rounded and presents good arguments and addresses the most common counter-arguments to it? Yeah, that. |
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EdgeoftheLords said: But majority rules. If the majority of the community disagrees with your opinion it is considered wrong. should we all change our opinions to match the majority? |
| As long as someone's opinion isn't straight up offensive , they are allowed to have an opinion. It is very much possible that a person's opinion is different from what the majority believes. I actually somewhat respect people who don't suck it up to the majority and can form their own opinions , unlike you , OP. Just let people enjoy their cartoons lol. |
| Even if all people say Fairy Tail is trash, before the end of Tenrojima arc is a masterpiece for me and I'm very serious about it. It's sad to see people blindly follow other people opinions so they don't lose their "credibility". You know there were a time many people believed SAO was a really great anime: |
EdgeoftheLords said: I'm talking about the people who'll talk about how SAO is the best anime, and how Shonen is the best genre, with invalid points. They will say their opinion IN ALL CAPS until they are proven right. 1 butt hurt person could speak their opinion to no end, even when 150 elitist anime folks tell them their opinion is incorrect. Why are people so strict to their opinions? Why can't they admit that to the majority of the anime community, their opinion is seen as wrong? It's intriguing to think about. if it was the case that people would naturally adapt ones argument then in the end there is actually no opinion, because none differ. It is about your own identity and what you like and dislike. By saying they are technically wrong you just undermine their own personality. Im sure you have your guilty pleasures where others could say that it is wrong |
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| If it's bad why does it sell so much? Why is everyone watching it? Why is kirito so loved? For entertainment purposes sao is very good, why compare it to ergo proxy or hxh for ex? Is this a bait? |
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EdgeoftheLords said: I don't think you understand the concept of "opinion" and that causes your confusion. Let me give you an easy to memorize definition: Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one, and they are all the same.(...) with invalid points. (...) until they are proven right (...) their opinion is incorrect. Why are people so strict to their opinions? Why can't they admit that to the majority of the anime community, their opinion is seen as wrong? |
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